Will anyone ever beat kobes lakers 2001 15-1 playoff run?

[Mr. Jabbar]

:bowdown: :applause:

[Milbuck]

2020 Bucks with prime Knight-Giannis-Henson-Embiid

[Yankstar]

:bowdown: :applause:

Dat mamba :bowdown:

[moe94]

"kobe's lakers"

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Shaq-Eating-Tacos-Taco-Bell-Commercial.gif

[Akrazotile]

Kobe's 2007 attempted run from the Lakers tops it.

[Yankstar]

2020 Bucks with prime Knight-Giannis-Henson-Embiid

:roll:

They would all get poached by the lakers before this happens ala Kobe :no:

[LongLiveTheKing]

Shaq's*

[longtime lurker]

Kobe and Shaq, but no it's not going to happen anytime soon

[StrongLurk]

:bowdown: :applause:

2015-2016 Heat when Kobe joins them :cheers:.

[JT123]

I think you mean Shaq's Lakers. :oldlol: Shaq dominated the Finals while Kobrick shot 41 percent while being guarded by a player 6 inches shorter than him! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Shaq's*

[Mr. Jabbar]

cant believe a 2-man show wrecked the league like that, in the west nonetheless..:applause:

http://i1.wp.com/elgl.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/fabulous-kid-white-dance.gif

[DaSeba5]

Shaq's

[BigBoss]

http://i.imgur.com/Lc9ZYfv.png

Those stats :bowdown:

[ripthekik]

Shaq's
Ray's

[Mr. Jabbar]

http://i.imgur.com/Lc9ZYfv.png

Those stats :bowdown:

:pimp:

[Kiddlovesnets]

You mean Shaq's Lakers.
:no:

[Heavincent]

01 Kobe is better than anyone in today's NBA.

Back to back 45+/10+ games in the playoffs :bowdown:

[Mr. Jabbar]

You mean Shaq's Lakers.
:no:

i guess it depends on what u had 4 breakfast :confusedshrug:

[AintNoSunshine]

There's Magic's Lakers, then there's Shaq's Lakers, then there's Gasol's Lakers, then there's Swaggy P's Lakers.

But there was never a Kobe's Lakers

[Mr. Jabbar]

01 Kobe is better than anyone in today's NBA.


100% fact.

[Budadiiii]

Fishers*

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Op made a mistake in the thread title.
it were actually Shaqs lakers

[BigBoss]

Op made a mistake in the thread title.
it were actually Shaqs lakers


Only when Kobe went to the bench.

[Akrazotile]

1

[BigBoss]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]1

[catquickspider]

Impressive run by Kobe's lakers :applause:

[nzahir]

Shaqs*

[Mr. Jabbar]

Impressive run by Kobe's lakers :applause:

repped

[The-Legend-24]

http://i.imgur.com/Lc9ZYfv.png

Those stats :bowdown:
And against real teams too, not no damn Bobcats. :roll:

[zoom17]

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3646128-6170152573-giphy.gif

[zoom17]

Impressive run by Kobe's lakers :applause:

http://replygif.net/i/378.gif

[Black and White]

I would like to see Jameers opinion on Kobes stats posted earlier in the thread.

[GODbe]

No. :pimp:

[MavsSuperFan]

http://i.imgur.com/Lc9ZYfv.png

Those stats :bowdown:
so underrated on this board.

[Mr. Jabbar]

so underrated on this board.

every time a kobe related thread pops its like these guy saw the devil :facepalm

#respectthelastofadyingbreed
#goattop5

[TheMagicMan]

Congratulations to Shaq for dominating a 35 year old Dikembe Mutombo during that run :applause:

[Droid101]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BESnCrgCAAEHKku.jpg:large

B b b b ut Shaq carried Kobe!

[moe94]

every time a kobe related thread pops its like these guy saw the devil :facepalm

#respectthelastofadyingbreed
#goattop5

http://cinema-crazed.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/I-SAW-THE-DEVIL.jpg

Have you seen it? You should.

[Droid101]

West Conference playoffs (where Lakers faced their BY FAR the toughest competition):

Kobe (11g): 31.6 PTS (.577 TS%), 7.0 REB, 6.2 AST, 1.6 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.0 TOV
Shaq (11g): 29.3 PTS (.558 TS%), 15.3 REB, 2.5 AST, 0.5 STL, 1.9 BLK, 3.4 TOV



Bu bu bu buuuttttt Shaq carried Kobe!

[JohnFreeman]

Shaqs Lakers*

[Mr. Jabbar]

http://cinema-crazed.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/I-SAW-THE-DEVIL.jpg

Have you seen it? You should.

no, will download right now :applause:

[moe94]

no, will download right now :applause:

:hammertime:

If you get hooked on SK cinema, forgive me. :coleman:

[robert_shaww]

http://i.imgur.com/Lc9ZYfv.png

Those stats :bowdown:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LAPyLFmXAXY/UKZaRQTSZSI/AAAAAAAAAR8/g1OdCgp4Hko/s400/Quand+je+tire+ma+r%C3%A9v%C3%A9rence+%C3%A0+l'univ ersit%C3%A9.gif

[guy]

16-0. Its not the most unbeatable record. It'll be done at some point, I'm sure.

[robert_shaww]

West Conference playoffs (where Lakers faced their BY FAR the toughest competition):

Kobe (11g): 31.6 PTS (.577 TS%), 7.0 REB, 6.2 AST, 1.6 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.0 TOV
Shaq (11g): 29.3 PTS (.558 TS%), 15.3 REB, 2.5 AST, 0.5 STL, 1.9 BLK, 3.4 TOV



Bu bu bu buuuttttt Shaq carried Kobe!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Droid101]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Great response, 100% would read again, bookmarked, favorited, emailed to myself, emailed to my mom, printed, taped in my bathroom, mailed to my congressman, distributed to local elementary schools.

[livinglegend]

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3646128-6170152573-giphy.gif

perfection reaction for this thread:lol

[robert_shaww]

Kobe (11g): 31.6 PTS (.577 TS%), 7.0 REB, 6.2 AST, 1.6 STL, 0.5 BLK,

NO BOBCATS :no:

[zoom17]

Great response, 100% would read again, bookmarked, favorited, emailed to myself, emailed to my mom, printed, taped in my bathroom, mailed to my congressman, distributed to local elementary schools.

you done sucking dick yet?

[Dr.J4ever]

The 1982-83 Sixers went 12-1 in their title run. The famous, "fo-fo-fo" by Moses Malone. It was the last season in NBA history that the division winners had that first round bye.

[DonDadda59]

Weak era.

Also... Shaq's*

[Cold soul]

Weak era.

Also... Shaq's*

Not as weak as today's era.

[Mure]

I think you meant Shaq's Lakers. I wonder what Kobe's stats would be without one of, if not the most dominate forces this league has ever seen being double and triple teamed the whole series. Who do you think those teams game planned for? :lol :lol

[rzp]

16-0. Its not the most unbeatable record. It'll be done at some point, I'm sure.

16-0 would be >>>> 72-0 IMHO

just saying

[ThePhantomCreep]

I think you meant Shaq's Lakers. I wonder what Kobe's stats would be without one of, if not the most dominate forces this league has ever seen being double and triple teamed the whole series. Who do you think those teams game planned for? :lol :lol

Some of Kobe's best years statistically came during the Kwame Brown years. Iow, they'd look the same. The team wouldn't be as dominant though.

[TheMagicMan]

I think you meant Shaq's Lakers. I wonder what Kobe's stats would be without one of, if not the most dominate forces this league has ever seen being double and triple teamed the whole series. Who do you think those teams game planned for? :lol :lol

Lmao, Kobe averaged 35ppg for a whole season without Shaq. Fail.

[rzp]

I think you meant Shaq's Lakers. I wonder what Kobe's stats would be without one of, if not the most dominate forces this league has ever seen being double and triple teamed the whole series. Who do you think those teams game planned for? :lol :lol

Bu bu bu buuuttttt they have same TS%! :lol (favorite Kobetards stat, because it camouflage Kobes low %fg and his chucking low IQ style)

[ThePhantomCreep]

Bu bu bu buuuttttt they have same TS%! :lol (favorite Kobetards stat, because it camouflage Kobes low %fg and his chucking low IQ style)

Because nobody else references TS% on this board. GTFO.

[DaSeba5]

Ray's

Who cares? I'm a Heat fan. It's a team sport.

[ImKobe]

http://www.xxivk.net/news/files/images/2012/08/kobe-shaq-2001.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rtMHG2O.jpg

[MavsSuperFan]

ISH has grossly overreacted to kobe stans, in such a way that people act like kobe isnt at worst a borderline top 10 player all time.

I personally have kobe in the 7-10 range

[ImKobe]

I think you meant Shaq's Lakers. I wonder what Kobe's stats would be without one of, if not the most dominate forces this league has ever seen being double and triple teamed the whole series. Who do you think those teams game planned for? :lol :lol

Kobe went to 3 straight Finals and won 2 without Shaq, just stop it.

[riseagainst]

http://i.imgur.com/Lc9ZYfv.png

Those stats :bowdown:

:wtf:

vs the twin tower Spurs.

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Im Still Ballin]

PM me Jabbar, i have to show you something.

[sammichoffate]

Kobe living rent-free in some of these peoples' heads, it's worse than lebron living in their heads, or KD. They can't stop thinking about him even when he's ****ing injured :lol And to answer OP's question maybe someday, just not in the near future. :cheers:

[5 rings fan]

Kobe went to 7 finals compared to Jordan 's 6 in a watered down era

Kobe >>> Jordan deal with it retards


Jordan famously quitted on his team scoring only 19 points and fouled out in game 3 vs the Celtics

[The-Legend-24]

Went undefeated on the road too. :bowdown:

[Droid101]

Went undefeated on the road too. :bowdown:
Hmmm... wonder why? Probably Shaq carrying him, yeah?

http://www.xxivk.net/news/files/images/2012/08/kobe-shaq-2001.jpg

[The-Legend-24]

Hmmm... wonder why? Probably Shaq carrying him, yeah?

http://www.xxivk.net/news/files/images/2012/08/kobe-shaq-2001.jpg
:bowdown:

I miss froBe. :cry:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Damn Kobe put up some ridiculous numbers. How come he wasn't finals MVP those years?

[TheMagicMan]

Damn Kobe put up some ridiculous numbers. How come he wasn't finals MVP those years?

Because any person with half a brain would realize you'd rather exploit your matchup against the weak ass East Centers :facepalm

[Solefade]

Damn Kobe put up some ridiculous numbers. How come he wasn't finals MVP those years?



/thread :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Im Still Ballin]

lol no1 cares about that award xept for rose nash and a few others
Hey buddy thought i saw you online! Whats happening!

[bballnoob1192]

Shaq n Kobe. man that is just the sickest combo of all-time. and that play against portland where Kobe oop it to shaq capping off their comeback is prolly one of my favorite Laker moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZGEzREaYRA

[Mr. Jabbar]

Hey buddy thought i saw you online! Whats happening!

i sent u a PM

[Solefade]

Because any person with half a brain would realize you'd rather exploit your matchup against the weak ass East Centers :facepalm


because aaron mckie and eric snow are soooo good :oldlol: :oldlol:

[J Shuttlesworth]

lol no1 cares about that award xept for rose nash and a few others
I said FMVP idiot. That's the award everyone cares about. It's what defines a superstar vs. a role player.

The equation for a role player on a championship is as follows:

FMVPs divided by # of rings = .50 or lower

For example:

LeBron 2 FMVPs / 2 rings = 1 (higher than .50) = Superstar
Duncan 3 FMVPs / 4 rings = .75 (higher than .50) = superstar
Horry 0 FMVPs / 7 rings = 0 (lower than .50) = role player

You can plug Kobe's numbers in and see if he fits the criteria for a superstar. I would do it myself, but I don't find him to still be relevant enough to waste 3 seconds of math on

[Mr. Jabbar]

I said FMVP idiot. That's the award everyone cares about. It's what defines a superstar vs. a role player.

The equation for a role player on a championship is as follows:

FMVPs divided by # of rings = .50 or lower

For example:

LeBron 2 FMVPs / 2 rings = 1 (higher than .50) = Superstar
Duncan 3 FMVPs / 4 rings = .75 (higher than .50) = superstar
Horry 0 FMVPs / 7 rings = 0 (lower than .50) = role player

You can plug Kobe's numbers in and see if he fits the criteria for a superstar. I would do it myself, but I don't find him to still be relevant enough to waste 3 seconds of math on

i was confusing with mvp but to answer your question, kobes fmpvs >>> ray allen fmvps

[Im Still Ballin]

I said FMVP idiot. That's the award everyone cares about. It's what defines a superstar vs. a role player.

The equation for a role player on a championship is as follows:

FMVPs divided by # of rings = .50 or lower

For example:

LeBron 2 FMVPs / 2 rings = 1 (higher than .50) = Superstar
Duncan 3 FMVPs / 4 rings = .75 (higher than .50) = superstar
Horry 0 FMVPs / 7 rings = 0 (lower than .50) = role player

You can plug Kobe's numbers in and see if he fits the criteria for a superstar. I would do it myself, but I don't find him to still be relevant enough to waste 3 seconds of math on
Take notes people.

This is academic standard researching, fully credible work. The equations are flawless and paint a clear picture about Superstars in the NBA.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Take notes people.

This is academic standard researching, fully credible work. The equations are flawless and paint a clear picture about Superstars in the NBA.

did u see PM?

[Im Still Ballin]

did u see PM?
Still waiting for PM!

[Black Mamba's B]

Kobe and Shaq were beastly!@

Kobe's impact is definitely underrated by haters

[Mr. Jabbar]

Still waiting for PM!

I sent it from the future, might take some time.

[TheMagicMan]

because aaron mckie and eric snow are soooo good :oldlol: :oldlol:

Both great defenders :facepalm

[J Shuttlesworth]

i was confusing with mvp but to answer your question, kobes fmpvs >>> ray allen fmvps
Please do not respond to my intellectual posts until you have done proper clinical research on the subjects at hand. Ray Allen has 0 FMVPs, although he arguably deserved one on the Celtics over that scrub, Paul Pierce. We could say Allen was robbed over 1 FMVP, and his ratio is .50, which is better than Kobe Bryant. Since the point you're trying to make is that Ray Allen > Rolebe Bryant, I will agree with you.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Please do not respond to my intellectual posts until you have done proper clinical research on the subjects at hand. Ray Allen has 0 FMVPs, although he arguably deserved one on the Celtics over that scrub, Paul Pierce. We could say Allen was robbed over 1 FMVP, and his ratio is .50, which is better than Kobe Bryant. Since the point you're trying to make is that Ray Allen > Rolebe Bryant, I will agree with you.

rolebe, thats a good one :applause:

** ive got even more advanced formulas. u substract 1 FMVP each time a player gets swept in the finals or when he single-handedly costs his team the finals. bran = 0 fmvp

[J Shuttlesworth]

rolebe, thats a good one :applause:
You must update the nickname thread :bowdown: Make sure to give me credit for inventing it

[215Philly]

Sixers :bowdown: A.I :bowdown: :applause: :rockon:

[J Shuttlesworth]

rolebe, thats a good one :applause:

** ive got even more advanced formulas. u substract 1 FMVP each time a player gets swept in the finals or when he single-handedly costs his team the finals. bran = 0 fmvp
You also must subtract 1 FMVP for every WCF rig job, and every 6-24 game 7 bailout. So Kobe has 0 FMVPs for 3 rings. If we factor in rape, we could say he has -1 FMVPs for 3 rings

[JT123]

rolebe, thats a good one :applause:

** ive got even more advanced formulas. u substract 1 FMVP each time a player gets swept in the finals or when he single-handedly costs his team the finals. bran = 0 fmvp
I've got an even better formula. Subtract a Finals MVP each time a player is swept in a series his team is HEAVILY favored to win, (2011 WCSF) or singlehandedly costs his team a Championship (2004 Finals).
Guess Kobe has ZERO Finals MVP's as well. :roll: :roll:

[Mr. Jabbar]

You also must subtract 1 FMVP for every WCF rig job, and every 6-24 game 7 bailout. So Kobe has 0 FMVPs for 3 rings. If we factor in rape, we could say he has -1 FMVPs for 3 rings

No joke, 2002 rig job should be tken into account what was it 1 game? Ok. So its -0.1 FMVP per rigged game. Bran had the whole 2011 run rigged, 16 games = -1.6 FMVP. You subtract the 2 I explained before and its 2 - 3.6 = -1.6

bran owes the league more than 1 and a half fmvp trophies

[JT123]

You also must subtract 1 FMVP for every WCF rig job, and every 6-24 game 7 bailout. So Kobe has 0 FMVPs for 3 rings. If we factor in rape, we could say he has -1 FMVPs for 3 rings
:lebronamazed:

[J Shuttlesworth]

No joke, 2002 rig job should be tken into account what was it 1 game? Ok. So its -0.1 FMVP per rigged game. Bran had the whole 2011 run rigged, 16 games = -1.6 FMVP. You subtract the 2 I explained before and its 2 - 3.6 = -1.6

bran owes the league more than 1 and a half fmvp trophies
1 game = game 7 = the series = the entire ring

But Allen's 3 pt shot was only 3 pts out of an 100+ pt game, so it's only -.03 of a ring. Kobe's 6-24 was an entire game, but game 7, so it nearly cost them the series. I'd say Kobe's asterisks count for full rings, where as LeBrons are merely fractions of a penny.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I said FMVP idiot. That's the award everyone cares about. It's what defines a superstar vs. a role player.

The equation for a role player on a championship is as follows:

FMVPs divided by # of rings = .50 or lower

For example:

LeBron 2 FMVPs / 2 rings = 1 (higher than .50) = Superstar
Duncan 3 FMVPs / 4 rings = .75 (higher than .50) = superstar
Horry 0 FMVPs / 7 rings = 0 (lower than .50) = role player

You can plug Kobe's numbers in and see if he fits the criteria for a superstar. I would do it myself, but I don't find him to still be relevant enough to waste 3 seconds of math on

Cedric Maxwell has a Finals MVP. Charles Barkley has zero.

Let's see your idiotic formula calculate the "superstar" level of those players.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I've got an even better formula. Subtract a Finals MVP each time a player is swept in a series his team is HEAVILY favored to win, (2011 WCSF) or singlehandedly costs his team a Championship (2004 Finals).
Guess Kobe has ZERO Finals MVP's as well. :roll: :roll:
Don't forget missing the playoffs in the prime too, as well as snitching.

Mr. Jabbar needs to do more clinical studies before responding to this post. Please take two weeks and be sure to PM Im Still Ballin for all the studies on this subject.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Cedric Maxwell has a Finals MVP. Charles Barkley has zero.

Let's see your idiotic formula calculate the "superstar" level of those players.
Barkley is a wash because he's 0/0. That means 100% of the time he won the ring (which was 0), he won the FMVP (0). Maybe not the most alpha way to be better than Kobe, but it's still better than Kobe.

[Mr. Jabbar]

so after much debate with bball historian & statistician J Shuttlesworth, we have come to the joint following results:

kobe = 1.9 FMVP
lebron = -1.6 FMVP

J Shuttlesworth, Jabbar et al.

this study is public, and its use in other works and researches is allowed with proper crediting

[ThePhantomCreep]

1 game = game 7 = the series = the entire ring

But Allen's 3 pt shot was only 3 pts out of an 100+ pt game, so it's only -.03 of a ring. Kobe's 6-24 was an entire game, but game 7, so it nearly cost them the series. I'd say Kobe's asterisks count for full rings, where as LeBrons are merely fractions of a penny.

The Collusion invalidates everything LeBron has ever done.

Seriously, how gutless do you have to be to team up with two franchise players (with 11 combined ASG appearances) in their primes?

[J Shuttlesworth]

The Collusion invalidates everything LeBron has ever done.
Kobe demanding a trade from the Hornets, and forcing Shaq off the team negate everything Kobe has ever done (which is just roleplayer stuff anyway)

[ThePhantomCreep]

Kobe demanding a trade from the Hornets, and forcing Shaq off the team negate everything Kobe has ever done (which is just roleplayer stuff anyway)

Splitting with Shaq because you want win on your own is far more ballsy than LeHGH's beta move to South Beach. Opposite ends of the spectrum.

Kobe's back-to-back is worth double Bran's.

[J Shuttlesworth]

so after much debate with bball historian & statistician J Shuttlesworth, we have come to the joint following results:

kobe = 1.9 FMVP
lebron = -1.6 FMVP

J Shuttlesworth, Jabbar et al.

this study is public, and its use in other works and researches is allowed with proper crediting
I'm sorry but these results are not accurate to the Shuttlesworth Hollinger Roleplayer Statistic. Let me review for you:

LeBron = 2 FMVPs on paper
-.03 for Ray Allen's shot
-.25 for choking the 4th quarters away in Cleveland
+.25 for Xmas day MVP
+.03 for not raping

Final total: 2 FMVPs / 2 Rings = 1.0 SUPERSTAR ratio

Kobe= 2 FMVPs
-1 for Game 7 6/24
-1 for rig job against Kings
+.5 for frobe
-.5 for missing playoffs in prime
-.5 for missing playoffs with 4 HOFers (they would've missed the playoffs if refs didn't rig the last game of the season)

Total: -0.5 FMVPs / 5 Rings = NEGATIVE ROLEPLAYER RATIO

He is one of the best role players ever though. Consider that a victory for you guys :cheers:

[Mr. Jabbar]

+.25 for Xmas day MVP
+.03 for not raping


:roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Splitting with Shaq because you want win on your own is far more ballsy than LeHGH's beta move to South Beach. Opposite ends of the spectrum.

Kobe's back-to-back is worth double Bran's.
He essentially colluded with Shaq by demanding a trade from the Hornets. He knew he wasn't good enough to win a ring on the Hornets since he was just a role player. He had to join a player who would become a huge star and had a huge physical advantage.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I'm sorry but these results are not accurate to the Shuttlesworth Hollinger Roleplayer Statistic. Let me review for you:

LeBron = 2 FMVPs on paper
-.03 for Ray Allen's shot
-.25 for choking the 4th quarters away in Cleveland
+.25 for Xmas day MVP
+.03 for not raping

Final total: 2 FMVPs / 2 Rings = 1.0 SUPERSTAR ratio

Kobe= 2 FMVPs
-1 for Game 7 6/24
-1 for rig job against Kings
+.5 for frobe
-.5 for missing playoffs in prime
-.5 for missing playoffs with 4 HOFers (they would've missed the playoffs if refs didn't rig the last game of the season)

Total: -0.5 FMVPs / 5 Rings = NEGATIVE ROLEPLAYER RATIO

He is one of the best role players ever though. Consider that a victory for you guys :cheers:

-1 missing playoffs in consecutive years
-1 36% shooting, 5 TOV Finals performance
-1 35.5% shooting, 6 TOV performance against C's (2008)
-1 blatant quit job against C's (2010)
-2 The Collusion
-0.5 letting Delonte West tap mom's ass
-2 2011 NBA Finals

That equals the most overhyped star in NBA history

[J Shuttlesworth]

:lol All that stuff from Cleveland days. We all know Rolebe would have been playing second fiddle to Mo Williams and would have never entered the playoffs if he played on that shit squad.

[ThePhantomCreep]

He essentially colluded with Shaq by demanding a trade from the Hornets. He knew he wasn't good enough to win a ring on the Hornets since he was just a role player. He had to join a player who would become a huge star and had a huge physical advantage.

Kobe joined the Lakers before Shaq did. Nice try though.

LeBron formed a super team in order to cruise to easy titles. Pitiful. He doesn't even have typical role-players like Fisher, Kerr and Horry pitching in with clutch shots, he has RAY ALLEN.

[TheMagicMan]

-1 playoffs consecutive years
-1 36% shooting, 5 TOV Finals performance
-1 35.5% shooting, 6 TOV performance against C's (2008)
-1 blatant quit job against C's (2010)
-2 The Collusion
-0.5 letting Delonte West tap mom's ass
-2 2011 NBA Finals

That equals the most overhyped star in NBA history

I co-sign this formula :applause: Also, please include LeBron's beta tendencies and post your results. Off the top of my head that's a -4.6 but I'll have to double check :cheers:

[TheMagicMan]

:lol All that stuff from Cleveland days. We all know Rolebe would have been playing second fiddle to Mo Williams and would have never entered the playoffs if he played on that shit squad.

Entered the playoffs in a much tougher conference with even shittier players tho :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Kobe joined the Lakers before Shaq did. Nice try though.

LeBron formed a super team in order to cruise to easy titles. Pitiful. He doesn't even have typical role-players like Fisher, Kerr and Horry pitching in with clutch shots, he has RAY ALLEN.
Kobe knew Shaq was going to the Lakers. He's even quoted as saying that he wanted to play with Shaq. LOL @ you still clinging to "collusion" arguments to this day :roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Entered the playoffs in a much tougher conference with even shittier players tho :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Kobe missed the playoffs in his prime :roll:

[TheMagicMan]

Kobe missed the playoffs in his prime :roll:

Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm, and Jumaine Jones all averaging nearly 25 minutes or more per game on that roster, but good try :rolleyes:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm, and Jumaine Jones all averaging nearly 25 minutes or more per game on that roster, but good try :rolleyes:
Missing the playoffs... while Bran made the finals with Sasha Pavlovic averaging 32 minutes a game, and Daniel Gibson averaging 35 minutes a game and an entire team of scrubs aside from Bron. Didn't even have Mo Williams as a second option

[IMObjective]

Kobe demanding a trade from the Hornets, and forcing Shaq off the team negate everything Kobe has ever done (which is just roleplayer stuff anyway)
Kobe hurt his career by forcing shaq off the team. he should've kept quiet and let things go the way they should have. shaq deteriorated pretty quickly after the Lakers but was still a great sidekick to wade, while Kobe improved and reached his peak. 2006 could have been kobe's fmvp and ring. But instead he wasted his absolute peak years on a shaqless, shitty team, also hurting his chances for more mvps.

I know you hate Kobe with a passion and probably don't care, but wanted to show how kobe's pride hurt him. Pride goeth before a fall. Interesting trivia, did you know Kobe was the first choice to be Jesus shuttleworth?

[TheMagicMan]

Missing the playoffs... while Bran made the finals with Sasha Pavlovic averaging 32 minutes a game, and Daniel Gibson averaging 35 minutes a game and an entire team of scrubs aside from Bron. Didn't even have Mo Williams as a second option

Comparing 'Bran's success in a shit Eastern Conference to Kobe in a stacked West is lulz worthy :lol :lol :lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

Comparing 'Bran's success in a shit Eastern Conference to Kobe in a stacked West is lulz worthy :lol :lol :lol
Making the finals in a shitty conference > not even making the playoffs no matter which way you try to slice it

[TheMagicMan]

Making the finals in a shitty conference > not even making the playoffs no matter which way you try to slice it

:facepalm Comparing the 2007 Cavs to the 2005 Lakers. Jesus.

[K Xerxes]

West Conference playoffs (where Lakers faced their BY FAR the toughest competition):

Kobe (11g): 31.6 PTS (.577 TS%), 7.0 REB, 6.2 AST, 1.6 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.0 TOV
Shaq (11g): 29.3 PTS (.558 TS%), 15.3 REB, 2.5 AST, 0.5 STL, 1.9 BLK, 3.4 TOV

Bu bu bu buuuttttt Shaq carried Kobe!

Shaq didn't carry Kobe, but anyone who denies that Shaq was still the clear leader and best player is frankly delusional.

What is amusing is that Kobe put up those great stats on BY FAR their toughest competition. So why did Kobe put up 25-8-6 on 41.5% against such weak competition on the BIGGEST stage? Apparently that doesn't count.

[Brokenbeat]

Kobe hurt his career by forcing shaq off the team. he should've kept quiet and let things go the way they should have. shaq deteriorated pretty quickly after the Lakers but was still a great sidekick to wade, while Kobe improved and reached his peak. 2006 could have been kobe's fmvp and ring. But instead he wasted his absolute peak years on a shaqless, shitty team, also hurting his chances for more mvps.

I know you hate Kobe with a passion and probably don't care, but wanted to show how kobe's pride hurt him. Pride goeth before a fall. Interesting trivia, did you know Kobe was the first choice to be Jesus shuttleworth?

That was the whole rape thing.

[Solefade]

Both great defenders :facepalm


guess who shaq went against in that series then :facepalm

[Droid101]

Shaq didn't carry Kobe, but anyone who denies that Shaq was still the clear leader and best player is frankly delusional.

What is amusing is that Kobe put up those great stats on BY FAR their toughest competition. So why did Kobe put up 25-8-6 on 41.5% against such weak competition on the BIGGEST stage? Apparently that doesn't count.
The "Biggest stage" is the best team. The Spurs had the best record in the league that year. Ask anyone and they'd say the WCF were the real finals that year.

But whatever. Haters will forever say Shaq completely carried Kobe to three rings, and normal people will forever know that Shaq was a huge deal those years, but many games Kobe played even better (getting into 2001 and 2002 at least). And that's saying a lot.

[mehyaM24]

absolutely not.2000 and 2001 shaq(playoffs) is the greatest and most dominant player EVER.

[LongLiveTheKing]

OP only made this thread after the Heat lost.
Beta.

[triangleoffense]

Sure, the 09-10 playoff championship run where they are coming off back to back finals

[Odinn]

Although he is on my ignore list, OP is salty as f.ck. I really despise him.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Although he is on my ignore list, OP is salty as f.ck. I really despise him.


If he's on your ignore list then how do you know if he's "salty" or not?

:roll:

[kennethgriffin]

i swear to god. every single week since 2002 we've all had this exact same god damn played out over done conversation and its gone exactly the same predictable way back and forth every single god damn time. i'm sick and f*cking tired of doing this. its always exactly the same... kobe this, shaq that... who carried who... blah blah....


ENOUGH... kobe fans know it was a 2 man team. kobe haters know it was a 2 man team... they needed each other to win. it was damn near 50/50. 1 guy averaged like 2 more points for those 3 rings. shaq got the finals mvps because he was slightly better at the time. kobe showed up more in the toughest series they had. shaq had the better finals. kobe went on to have 5 times the career without shaq than shaq had without kobe.. kobe proved he didnt need shaq. shaq proved he could tag along for a ring without kobe. it all comes down to that..


enough people.. move on. accept reality... kobe has 5 rings. shaq has 4. thats what it comes down to at the end of the day




























seriously... f*cking stop :biggums:

all of you

[Odinn]

If he's on your ignore list then how do you know if he's "salty" or not?

:roll:
There is no avoiding from thread titles, smarty pants.:facepalm