Centers you take over Wilt...

[DFish24]

Come playoff time.

Kareem
Russell
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Moses
Mikan
Reed
Walton
Robinson
Alonzo
Ewing
Dwight
Parish
Mutombo
M.Gasol


Agreed?

[LAZERUSS]

Come playoff time.

Kareem
Russell
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Moses
Mikan
Reed
Walton
Robinson
Alonzo
Ewing
Dwight
Parish
Mutombo
M.Gasol


Agreed?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Next...

[Jameerthefear]

Pretty much everyone. Wilt's numbers DROP when it matters the most :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Come playoff time.

Kareem
Russell
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Moses
Mikan
Reed
Walton
Robinson
Alonzo
Ewing
Dwight
Parish
Mutombo
M.Gasol


Agreed?

Guards you would take over MJ in a playoff series...

Ainge and Dumars...both of whom badly beat Jordan in their post-season H2H's.

[Iceman#44]

Wilt = Goat

[Jameerthefear]

Where's Deuce? Someone post how hard Wilt's numbers drop in the postseason :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Where's Deuce? Someone post how hard Wilt's numbers drop in the postseason :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You mean these numbers?

Wilt in his 23 "elimination games"

12-11
31.1 ppg (only Lebron, at 31.9 ppg, and MJ, at 31.3 ppg) are higher.
26.4 rpg
.540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot an eFG% of .435 in the same span)

Now, give me Hakeem's, or Kareem's, or Shaq's, or Russell's numbers in their "elimination games"...

[AirFederer]

No Perkins?

:no:

[LAZERUSS]

You mean these numbers?

Wilt in his 23 "elimination games"

12-11
31.1 ppg (only Lebron, at 31.9 ppg, and MJ, at 31.3 ppg) are higher.
26.4 rpg
.540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot an eFG% of .435 in the same span)

Now, give me Hakeem's, or Kareem's, or Shaq's, or Russell's numbers in their "elimination games"...

Oh, and here were a PRIME Chamberlain's 12 "elimination game" numbers from '60 thru '67...EIGHT of which were against Russell...

37.3 ppg
27.9 rpg
.521 FG% (in post-seasons that shot an eFG% of about .420 in that span.)

Go ahead and give me Shaq's, Hakeem's, Duncan's, Kareem's, and Russell's PRIME season numbers in their post-season ELIMINATION games...and let's compare them, shall we?

[Psileas]

Come playoff time.

Kareem
Russell
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Moses
Mikan
Reed
Walton
Robinson
Alonzo
Ewing
Dwight
Parish
Mutombo
M.Gasol


Agreed?

Every idiot can sit behind a screen and write down whatever his ass dictates. I'd like to see you try this shit in real life, tough trollie. :lol You'd get lynched, literally. :oldlol:

[the mesiah]

Where's Deuce? Someone post how hard Wilt's numbers drop in the postseason :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You mean these numbers?

Wilt in his 23 "elimination games"

12-11
31.1 ppg (only Lebron, at 31.9 ppg, and MJ, at 31.3 ppg) are higher.
26.4 rpg
.540 FG% (in post-seasons that shot an eFG% of .435 in the same span)

Now, give me Hakeem's, or Kareem's, or Shaq's, or Russell's numbers in their "elimination games"...

Oh, and here were a PRIME Chamberlain's 12 "elimination game" numbers from '60 thru '67...EIGHT of which were against Russell...

37.3 ppg
27.9 rpg
.521 FG% (in post-seasons that shot an eFG% of about .420 in that span.)

Go ahead and give me Shaq's, Hakeem's, Duncan's, Kareem's, and Russell's PRIME season numbers in their post-season ELIMINATION games...and let's compare them, shall we?
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[Deuce Bigalow]

In order centers I would take tbh

KAJ
Shaq
Hakeem
Russell
Wilt

[triangleoffense]

Not sure but Wilt in 72 I'd take over any other center's singular season, including Hakeem

[Deuce Bigalow]

Elimination games? I rather look at the playoff numbers.

47.2 mpg
22.5 ppg
21.9 trb%
12.9 ast%
.524 ts%

[Marchesk]

In no universe is Dwight to be picked over Wilt. Some of you morons act like scoring is the only thing that matters. Ohhh, he dropped in scoring. What about rebounding, assists, blocked shots and defense?

Parish, Mutombo, Alonzo - are you guys effing serious? Stick with debating Shaq, Hakeem, KAJ, Russell. The only ones who are in the argument.

[Rocketswin2013]

Every idiot can sit behind a screen and write down whatever his ass dictates. I'd like to see you try this shit in real life, tough trollie. :lol You'd get lynched, literally. :oldlol:
:roll: What the hell? Why are you guys getting so aggressive?

[DFish24]

Every idiot can sit behind a screen and write down whatever his ass dictates. I'd like to see you try this shit in real life, tough trollie. :lol You'd get lynched, literally. :oldlol:

:roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

Just an FYI...

Wilt played in 160 post-season games...

He had 78 games in which he scored 20+ points and had 20+ rebounds in the same game.

He had 35 games in which he scored 30+ points and grabbed 20+ rebounds in the same game.

He had 11 games in which he scored 30+ points and pulled down 30+ rebounds.

He had 11 games in which he scored 40+ points and had 20+ rebounds in the same game.

He had 6 games in which he scored 40+ points and pulled down 30+ rebounds.

He had 2 games in which he scored 50+ points and with 30+ rebounds.

He had 4 games of 50+ points.

He had 14 games of 40+ points.

He had 39 games of 30+ points.

He had 1 game of 40+ rebounds.

He had 31 games of 30+ rebounds.

He had 123 games of 20+ rebounds.

Chamberlain had 4 playoff's of 30+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 6 playoff's of 28+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 9 playoffs of 20+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 13 playoffs (all of them) with 20+ rpg.

He had 4 playoff series of 35+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 1 playoff series of 30+ ppg and 30+ rpg

He had 7 playoff series of 30+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 17 playoff series of 20+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 26 playoff series (out of 29) in which he averaged 20+ rpg.

Chamberlain outrebounded his opposing starting center in all 29 of his post-season series, and was the leading rebounder in 28 of them.

In his six finals, he outshot his opposing starting center from the field in all six, and by a cumulative margin of .559 to .439.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nobody cares about raw rebounding numbers from that era Laz.

Fact is that Wilt's playoff TRB% is the same as Dwight's (Wilt's 21.9, Dwight 22.0). Well not 100% fact since the measure of pre-'69 trb% isn't 100% accurate, but the thread fpliii used said it has a ~1% room for error.

[TheMan]

In no universe is Dwight to be picked over Wilt. Some of you morons act like scoring is the only thing that matters. Ohhh, he dropped in scoring. What about rebounding, assists, blocked shots and defense?

Parish, Mutombo, Alonzo - are you guys effing serious? Stick with debating Shaq, Hakeem, KAJ, Russell. The only ones who are in the argument.

This

Wilt getting mad disrespected here :facepalm

[sd3035]

Wilt would be garbage in today's league, not even top 50

[LAZERUSS]

Nobody cares about raw rebounding numbers from that era Laz.

Fact is that Wilt's playoff TRB% is the same as Dwight's (Wilt's 21.9, Dwight 22.0). Well not 100% fact since the measure of pre-'69 trb% isn't 100% accurate, but the thread fpliii used said it has a ~1% room for error.

How about the fact that Wilt was never outrebounded by an opposing center in any of his 29 post-season series, and was only outrebounded in one?

BTW, Jerry Lucas barely ourebounded Wilt in that one playoff series (again, he was not Wilt's opposing center in that series), BUT when the two played again, in a series in which Lucas WAS the opposing starting center...

A 31 year old Lucas, playing 46 mpg in the '72 Finals, and going up against a 35 year old Wilt, who was playing on a surgically repaired knee, and who played 47 mpg in that series...was outrebounded by Chamberlain, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

NO ONE outrebounded Wilt.

Can Shaq, Hakeem Kareem, and even Russell (who was outrebounded in all EIGHT H2H series by Chamberlain) make that same claim? Hell NO! Those guys were outrebounded by 6-7 opposing centers, or 6-7 teammates, or, as in Hakeem's case, outrebounded by a 6-5 teammate.

[Deuce Bigalow]

How about the fact that Wilt was never outrebounded by an opposing center in any of his 29 post-season series, and was only outrebounded in one?

BTW, Jerry Lucas barely ourebounded Wilt in that one playoff series (again, he was not Wilt's opposing center in that series), BUT when the two played again, in a series in which Lucas WAS the opposing starting center...

A 31 year old Lucas, playing 46 mpg in the '72 Finals, and going up against a 35 year old Wilt, who was playing on a surgically repaired knee, and who played 47 mpg in that series...was outrebounded by Chamberlain, by a 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg margin.

NO ONE outrebounded Wilt.

Can Shaq, Hakeem Kareem, and even Russell (who was outrebounded in all EIGHT H2H series by Chamberlain) make that same claim? Hell NO! Those guys were outrebounded by 6-7 opposing centers, or 6-7 teammates, or, as in Hakeem's case, outrebounded by a 6-5 teammate.
Okay that's cool but don't act like 20 rebounds then is the same as 20 rebounds in today's league alright.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt would be garbage in today's league, not even top 50

So would KAJ then, who Chamberlain outplayed in their two playoff series H2H's (well, statistically outplayed in one, and reduced to a shot-jacking brick-layer in the other.)

Oh, and I guess Hakeem would be garbage in today's NBA as well, since a 38-39 year old Kareem in 10 straight H2H's averaged 32 ppg on a .620 FG% against him, including three games of 40+ (and the 46 point game came in only 37 minutes and on 70% shooting.)

Of course, we know that a prime Hakeem held his own against a young Shaq in the mid-90's...so...that means that Shaq would also be garbage in today's NBA, right?

Thanks for trying though...

[Asukal]

This

Wilt getting mad disrespected here :facepalm

He is revered as a god by his stans, he takes no blame for his losses and his stats are all that matters. Sadly, almost all of them didn't even watch him play.

:rolleyes:

[LAZERUSS]

Okay that's cool but don't act like 20 rebounds then is the same as 20 rebounds in today's league alright.

In Wilt's LAST post-season, and covering 17 playoff games, Chamberlain averaged 22.5 rpg, in a post-season NBA that averaged 50.6 rpg. Reduce Wilt's rpg down to today's 40.5 rpg, and he would still have averaged over 18 rpg in TODAY's NBA. All from a 36 year old Chamberlain in his LAST post-season.

[LAZERUSS]

He is revered as a god by his stans, he takes no blame for his losses and his stats are all that matters. Sadly, almost all of them didn't even watch him play.

:rolleyes:

And virtually all of us that did see Wilt play, have him as the GOAT. And we have all seen the best after he retired, and yet,...we still rank Wilt as the GOAT. Why is that?

[secund2nun]

Oh, and here were a PRIME Chamberlain's 12 "elimination game" numbers from '60 thru '67...EIGHT of which were against Russell...

37.3 ppg
27.9 rpg
.521 FG% (in post-seasons that shot an eFG% of about .420 in that span.)

Go ahead and give me Shaq's, Hakeem's, Duncan's, Kareem's, and Russell's PRIME season numbers in their post-season ELIMINATION games...and let's compare them, shall we?

Shaq's competition looked like this:

http://cdnl.complex.com/mp/620/400/90/0/bb/1/ffffff/fe43b8ffdf1b28813ae2d7399bf98dbb/images_/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/SPORTS/2013/03/a-history-of-athlete-name-changes/olajuwon_504809.jpg

Wilt's competition looked like this:

http://peak-performers.com/mensgroup/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Happy-business-man.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

Shaq's competition looked like this:

http://cdnl.complex.com/mp/620/400/90/0/bb/1/ffffff/fe43b8ffdf1b28813ae2d7399bf98dbb/images_/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/SPORTS/2013/03/a-history-of-athlete-name-changes/olajuwon_504809.jpg

Wilt's competition looked like this:

http://peak-performers.com/mensgroup/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Happy-business-man.jpg

Actually, Shaq was abusing clods like Rik Smits and Todd McCullough in his Finals, while Chamberlain was abusing HOFers like Russell and Thurmond in his.

[inclinerator]

cannot wait until virtual reality simulators come out to shut down these 60s fanatics

[Asukal]

And virtually all of us that did see Wilt play, have him as the GOAT. And we have all seen the best after he retired, and yet,...we still rank Wilt as the GOAT. Why is that?

Stop your lying ass lauber. You only changed your mind after researching about Wilt's stats and history. You were on record a few years ago saying the 60's legends would be shit today. You're such a fake that's why people troll your ass all the time. :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

In Wilt's LAST post-season, and covering 17 playoff games, Chamberlain averaged 22.5 rpg, in a post-season NBA that averaged 50.6 rpg. Reduce Wilt's rpg down to today's 40.5 rpg, and he would still have averaged over 18 rpg in TODAY's NBA. All from a 36 year old Chamberlain in his LAST post-season.
21.7 trb%

Very good for a 36-year old.

[secund2nun]

Actually, Shaq was abusing guys like Rik Smits and Todd McCullough in his Finals, while Chamberlain was abusing guys like Russell and Thurmond in his.

Most of the competition Wilt faced was literally unathletic undersized scrubs with a few exceptions that you just listed.

Rik Smits and Todd McCullough would have been good players if they played back in Wilt's time. Kwame Brown would have been an all star back then.

This is why Wilt has such fake stats. 50/25 is a sign of pathetic competition, not legendary timeless dominance.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Stop your lying ass lauber. You only changed your mind after researching about Wilt's stats and history. You were on record a few years ago saying the 60's legends would be shit today. You're such a fake that's why people troll your ass all the time. :oldlol:
I remember him ranking Russell as GOAT. Now he laughs at the notion that Russell was even close to Wilt.

[Asukal]

I remember him ranking Russell as GOAT. Now he laughs at the notion that Russell was even close to Wilt.

lol... didn't know that. :roll:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[navy]

Nope.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt
MJ

Magic
Russell

Kareem

Shaq
Duncan

Lebron
Kobe
Bird
Moses
Hakeem
Dr. J
Oscar
West

[inclinerator]

Wilt
MJ

Magic
Russell

Kareem

Shaq
Duncan

Lebron
Kobe
Bird
Moses
Hakeem
Dr. J
Oscar
West

lol

[DFish24]

Wilt
MJ

Magic
Russell

Kareem

Shaq
Duncan

Lebron
Kobe
Bird
Moses
Hakeem
Dr. J
Oscar
West

Wilt is Top 10 for RS only. If you include playoffs then he shouldn't be top 10. Choked too many times when it mattered most.

[LAZERUSS]

lol

Ok, go ahead and give us all here an education and BACK it up. We KNOW that Chamberlain OWNS HUNDREDS of NBA RECORDS, was a 4-time MVP, a 7-time All NBA First Team (with an eye-popping 7-2 margin over RUSSELL), who dominated Russell in their 143 H2H games, including their 49 post-season H2H's.

Now, give me your list, and I will be more than happy to SHRED it...

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt is Top 10 for RS only. If you include playoffs then he shouldn't be top 10. Choked too many times when it mattered most.

Wilt in his 23 "elimination games"...

31.1 ppg (ranks just behind Lebron's 31.9 ppg and MJ's 31.3 ppg)
26.4 rpg
.540 eFG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in that same span.)

And as a refresher...


Just an FYI...

Wilt played in 160 post-season games...

He had 78 games in which he scored 20+ points and had 20+ rebounds in the same game.

He had 35 games in which he scored 30+ points and grabbed 20+ rebounds in the same game.

He had 11 games in which he scored 30+ points and pulled down 30+ rebounds.

He had 11 games in which he scored 40+ points and had 20+ rebounds in the same game.

He had 6 games in which he scored 40+ points and pulled down 30+ rebounds.

He had 2 games in which he scored 50+ points and with 30+ rebounds.

He had 4 games of 50+ points (THREE of which were in MUST WIN games, including a 50-35 game against RUSSELL.)

He had 14 games of 40+ points.

He had 39 games of 30+ points.

He had 1 game of 40+ rebounds.

He had 31 games of 30+ rebounds.

He had 123 games of 20+ rebounds.

Chamberlain had 4 playoff's of 30+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 6 playoff's of 28+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 9 playoffs of 20+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 13 playoffs (all of them) with 20+ rpg.

He had 4 playoff series of 35+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 1 playoff series of 30+ ppg and 30+ rpg

He had 7 playoff series of 30+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 17 playoff series of 20+ ppg and 20+ rpg.

He had 26 playoff series (out of 29) in which he averaged 20+ rpg.

Chamberlain outrebounded his opposing starting center in all 29 of his post-season series, and was the leading rebounder in 28 of them.

In his six finals, he outshot his opposing starting center from the field in all six, and by a cumulative margin of .559 to .439.

Nice try, but Wilt was the GOAT in BOTH the RS AND Playoffs.

next...

[Suguru101]

If he could have stayed healthy, Bill Walton.

After him probably nobody else.

[Deuce Bigalow]

MJ


Russ/KAJ
Magic/Bird

Shaq/Kobe

Duncan

Wilt
West
Hakeem

Bran
Oscar
Dr J/Moses

[inclinerator]

Ok, go ahead and give us all here an education and BACK it up. We KNOW that Chamberlain OWNS HUNDREDS of NBA RECORDS, was a 4-time MVP, a 7-time All NBA First Team (with an eye-popping 7-2 margin over RUSSELL), who dominated Russell in their 143 H2H games, including their 49 post-season H2H's.

Now, give me your list, and I will be more than happy to SHRED it...

u cant be on top of the list from personal achievements alone, basketball is a team game, u need rings and stats

[Rocketswin2013]

Actually, Shaq was abusing clods like Rik Smits and Todd McCullough in his Finals, while Chamberlain was abusing HOFers like Russell and Thurmond in his.
Dwight Howard was even better than Thurmond.....So I do't really know how that's a feat.

[Rocketswin2013]

Depending on where you rank Wilt.........He can be overrated.........

[DFish24]

Wilt in his 23 "elimination games"...

31.1 ppg (ranks just behind Lebron's 31.9 ppg and MJ's 31.3 ppg)
26.4 rpg
.540 eFG% (in post-seasons that shot .435 in that same span.)

And as a refresher...



Nice try, but Wilt was the GOAT in BOTH the RS AND Playoffs.

next...

:no: Sorry you can't just cherry pick stats you have to look at the big picture. Wilt has the biggest career drop-off from RS to PS EVER. That's simply isn't GOAT material. GOAT choker material maybe.

[LAZERUSS]

u cant be on top of the list from personal achievements alone, basketball is a team game, u need rings and stats

And the BEST TEAM generally wins.

MJ couldn't win crap until he had the best roster in the league. Hell, they went 55-27 without him, and lost a close game seven to the 56-26 Knicks, who would go on to lose a close game seven to the 58-24 Rockets in the '94 Finals. They were clearly good enough to contend for a title withOUT Jordan.

Kareem? Won ONE ring, in the weakest decade in NBA history, and choked in SEVERAL games, series, and even entire playoffs. And he was BATTERED by Moses from '79 on, including TWO playoff series (going 1-6 against Moses in those two H2H's...all while getting KILLED by him.) And he needed MAGIC's coat-tail to win his last five rings (geez, the Lakers won their '88 title DESPITE Kareem's putrid play.)

Bird? Had HOF surrounding talent his entire career...and...THREE rings. Hell, he was awful in several post-seasons, including '83 and '88. And he CHOKED in one-third of his Finals games (he shot less than 40% in 11 of his 31 Finals games, including two under 30%.)

Kobe? The WORST Finals player of the GOAT candidates, and by a HUGE margin. He LOST two Finals, and needed Shaq to win three of his five, as well as Gasol, Horry, Fisher, and even Artest to win his last two.

Hakeem? :roll: :roll: :roll: The man could get you 45 wins, and then get you blown out in the FIRST ROUND (in over HALF of his playoff career...EIGHT tims.) He was the greatest LOSER of the GOAT candidates, and by a HUGE margin.

Russell? Just CRUSHED by Chamberlain in their EIGHT H2H's. Needed his teammates domination over Wilt's to eke out FOUR game seven wins over Chamberlain's teams. And in the ONE season in which Chamberlain had an equal roster, that was healthy, Wilt and his TEAM just annihilated Russell and his TEAM.

I could go right down the list. NO ONE ever won a title by himself, but clearly Chamberlain almost did it SEVERAL times.

John Wooden said it best, had Wilt had Russell's surrounding supporting casts, and Auerbach as his coach, and it would have been Chamberlain holding all those rings.

[Psileas]

Nope.

:applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

"Wilt sucks"

- John Wooden

[Rooster]

:no: Sorry you can't just cherry pick stats you have to look at the big picture. Wilt has the biggest career drop-off from RS to PS EVER. That's simply isn't GOAT material. GOAT choker material maybe.

In the big picture of GOAT players

Wilt's 2 rings is just like a photobomb.

You know it's there but it does not feel like it belong:oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

In the big picture of GOAT players

Wilt's 2 rings is just like a photobomb.

You know it's there but it does not feel like it belong:oldlol:

Of course Hakeem, who never won more than 58 games in a regular season, onlyn won two rings (and MJ didn't play in one of them), and was bounced from the first round in EIGHT of them, was a complete BUST.

And even Bird, who "only" won three rings, despite having HOF-laden rosters his entire career (and even in one of those rings, he didn't even win a FMVP...and was only the team's second best player in a couple of more losing Finals)...was also an over-rated POS too, right?

[mark henson 123]

Shaquille o neal
bill russel
akeem the dream
bill Walton
kareem Abdul jabbar