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mehyaM24
05-11-2014, 07:22 PM
wilt: 2 rings despite having HOF-laden talent,huge dropoff in the playoffs(statistically),myth after myth made up about him(on and off the court)

jordan: bulls eventually win 55 games without him the SAME year he retires,weak playoff compeititon at his position(midgets), played in the weak eastern conference, e.g. early 90s, is labeled the consensus "goat" when shaq,kareem and bird had better peaks.

i think mj might actually have wilt beat here :confusedshrug:

LAZERUSS
05-11-2014, 07:23 PM
NEITHER.

Wilt and MJ are the two greatest of all-time.

T_L_P
05-11-2014, 07:25 PM
Jordan: GOAT
Wilt: 9-11 range

MrC1991
05-11-2014, 07:26 PM
Jordan is the GOAT IMO and Wilt is in the top 10. They earned their spots in history.

sportjames23
05-11-2014, 07:27 PM
OP needs to be permabanned for this constant trolling.

Rocketswin2013
05-11-2014, 07:28 PM
Jordan: GOAT
Wilt: 9-11 range
THIS. X10.

Iceman#44
05-11-2014, 07:29 PM
NEITHER.

Wilt and MJ are the two greatest of all-time.
This

Rocketswin2013
05-11-2014, 07:30 PM
Peak for Peak, Wilt is top 3-5 easy. But several players have done more career wise.

Angel Face
05-11-2014, 07:35 PM
Consensus GOAT. 6/6 in the Finals, 6x FMVP, 5x MVP, 10x Scoring Champion, DPOY, 10x All NBA 1st team, 3x Steals Champion, name always pops up on every random stat, etc... Overrated?

:oldlol:

robert_shaww
05-11-2014, 07:38 PM
to be honest with you, jordan is not overrated...he is number 3

Smook A.
05-11-2014, 07:46 PM
Jordan is the greatest of all time. He's definitely not overrated. His resume speaks for itself.

For years basketball fans have argued over who is the greatest player of all time. Players like Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar are among the players who come to mind. However, the one player who defined greatness was Michael Jordan.

It’s hard to compare players from different eras. The best way to do so is by evaluating how dominant a player was during his time. Michael Jordan was named to 10 All-NBA first teams, essentially meaning he was among the best five players in basketball for 10 seasons. He also added nine All-Defensive first-team selections over the course of his career.

Jordan was the NBA’s most valuable player five times, and many believe he should have won even more. People, including myself, believed that Karl Malone won the 1998 MVP over Jordan because writers believed Jordan had won enough. Jordan was also named the NBA’s defensive player of the year in 1988. Not many guards have won that award.... By any calculation, Jordan is the greatest scorer the league has ever seen. He won a record 10 scoring titles, and boasted a career average of 30.1 points per game, the most in NBA history.

Jordan was also among the greatest winners in NBA history. During the early years of his career, Jordan had to go up against all-time great teams such as the Larry Bird-led Boston Celtics and the Bad Boy Detroit Pistons. When Jordan was finally able to reach his first NBA championship in ’91, he didn’t look back. HE NEVER DID. Jordan led the Bulls to six NBA titles, and was named finals MVP all six times.

The thing that separated Jordan from many of the all time greats was his compulsive need to win. Jordan was and is still known for his intense competitiveness which on many occasions has gotten him in to trouble. However, on the basketball court this was a trait Jordan used to his advantage.

What I loved about Jordan is that he was among the all-time great trash talkers and had a knack for getting into his opponents' heads. When the media compared him to Portland Trailblazers guard Clyde Drexler prior to the ’92 NBA Finals, Jordan took notice and used the finals as an opportunity to prove Drexler wasn’t in his class. Same thing will the Mailman, Karl Malone in 1997. Jordan wanted to PROVE that he deserved that MVP award and not Karl... That just shows you how COMPETITIVE he was.

Finally, Jordan has hit more clutch shots, and has had more big game performances than any player in NBA history.....

Let us count the ways: There was the 63-point game against the ’86 Celtics at the Boston Garden; the game winner over Craig Ehlo in the ’89 playoffs; the “shrug game” in which Jordan hit six first-half three pointers and scored 35 first half points in the ’92 NBA finals; Game 5 of the ’97 NBA finals where Jordan scored 38 points, including the game-deciding three pointer with 25 seconds left, despite battling the flu; Game 6 of the ’98 finals when Jordan stripped the ball from Karl Malone and proceeded to hit a foul-line jump shot to clinch the finals.

Russell may have won more championships, Chamberlain may have averaged 50 points per game in a single season and Kareem may be the all-time scoring leader, but if you take into consideration the entire package, Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time.

...This was all worth writing. MJ is the greatest ever. Wilt was great too but not as much as Jordan was. So to FINALLY answer your question OP, I don't think either one of them is overrated. Both dominated their eras.

Knicks2014champ
05-11-2014, 07:48 PM
Wilt is one of the biggest chokers ever only one who can compete with him as far as chokers go is #6 on the heat who is the 5th leader of that team

MrC1991
05-11-2014, 07:49 PM
[QUOTE=Smook A.]Jordan is the greatest of all time. He's definitely not overrated. His resume speaks for itself.

For years basketball fans have argued over who is the greatest player of all time. Players like Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar are among the players who come to mind. However, the one player who defined greatness was Michael Jordan.

It

ArbitraryWater
05-11-2014, 07:51 PM
Jordan is the greatest of all time. He's definitely not overrated. His resume speaks for itself.

For years basketball fans have argued over who is the greatest player of all time. Players like Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar are among the players who come to mind. However, the one player who defined greatness was Michael Jordan.

It’s hard to compare players from different eras. The best way to do so is by evaluating how dominant a player was during his time. Michael Jordan was named to 10 All-NBA first teams, essentially meaning he was among the best five players in basketball for 10 seasons. He also added nine All-Defensive first-team selections over the course of his career.

Jordan was the NBA’s most valuable player five times, and many believe he should have won even more. People, including myself, believed that Karl Malone won the 1998 MVP over Jordan because writers believed Jordan had won enough. Jordan was also named the NBA’s defensive player of the year in 1988. Not many guards have won that award.... By any calculation, Jordan is the greatest scorer the league has ever seen. He won a record 10 scoring titles, and boasted a career average of 30.1 points per game, the most in NBA history.

Jordan was also among the greatest winners in NBA history. During the early years of his career, Jordan had to go up against all-time great teams such as the Larry Bird-led Boston Celtics and the Bad Boy Detroit Pistons. When Jordan was finally able to reach his first NBA championship in ’91, he didn’t look back. HE NEVER DID. Jordan led the Bulls to six NBA titles, and was named finals MVP all six times.

The thing that separated Jordan from many of the all time greats was his compulsive need to win. Jordan was and is still known for his intense competitiveness which on many occasions has gotten him in to trouble. However, on the basketball court this was a trait Jordan used to his advantage.

What I loved about Jordan is that he was among the all-time great trash talkers and had a knack for getting into his opponents' heads. When the media compared him to Portland Trailblazers guard Clyde Drexler prior to the ’92 NBA Finals, Jordan took notice and used the finals as an opportunity to prove Drexler wasn’t in his class. Same thing will the Mailman, Karl Malone in 1997. Jordan wanted to PROVE that he deserved that MVP award and not Karl... That just shows you how COMPETITIVE he was.

Finally, Jordan has hit more clutch shots, and has had more big game performances than any player in NBA history.....

Let us count the ways: There was the 63-point game against the ’86 Celtics at the Boston Garden; the game winner over Craig Ehlo in the ’89 playoffs; the “shrug game” in which Jordan hit six first-half three pointers and scored 35 first half points in the ’92 NBA finals; Game 5 of the ’97 NBA finals where Jordan scored 38 points, including the game-deciding three pointer with 25 seconds left, despite battling the flu; Game 6 of the ’98 finals when Jordan stripped the ball from Karl Malone and proceeded to hit a foul-line jump shot to clinch the finals.

Russell may have won more championships, Chamberlain may have averaged 50 points per game in a single season and Kareem may be the all-time scoring leader, but if you take into consideration the entire package, Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time.

...This was all worth writing. MJ is the greatest ever. Wilt was great too but not as much as Jordan was. So to FINALLY answer your question OP, I don't think either one of them is overrated. Both dominated their eras.


Yeah you definitely didnt wrote this yourself.... Ive seen you argue for Duncan. "4 Rings" was it. And then you end it with that? Nope. lol

I can see from your posting style that dat aint you, brother.

MrC1991
05-11-2014, 07:51 PM
Yeah you definitely didnt wrote this yourself.... Ive seen you argue for Duncan. "4 Rings" was it. And then you end it with that? Nope. lol

I can see from your posting style that dat aint you, brother.

lol maybe hes just passionate about MJ being the GOAT?

Smook A.
05-11-2014, 07:52 PM
Yeah you definitely didnt wrote this yourself.... Ive seen you argue for Duncan. "4 Rings" was it. And then you end it with that? Nope. lol
I honestly didnt feel like writing the Duncan part :lol

I did this for MJ because I wanted to prove that he wasn't overrated.

If you actually want me to give a bigger explanation for Duncan, I can.

Smook A.
05-11-2014, 07:53 PM
lol maybe hes just passionate about MJ being the GOAT?
Exactly.

MJ is my idol, man. Dude is the GOAT.

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
05-11-2014, 07:53 PM
MJs the 2nd greatest to KAJ:biggums: :biggums:
Unlike Wilt MJ actually raised his game in the playoffs:biggums:

ArbitraryWater
05-11-2014, 07:54 PM
I honestly didnt feel like writing the Duncan part :lol

I did this for MJ because I wanted to prove that he wasn't overrated.

If you actually want me to give a bigger explanation for Duncan, I can.

Well If you did, Im sorry that I doubted it :cheers:

MrC1991
05-11-2014, 07:55 PM
Exactly.

MJ is my idol, man. Dude is the GOAT.

Same here dude. I grew up watching him and pippen do there things. I watched channel 9 everyday when the bulls were on. Dude honestly felt like he was a superhero when I was a kid lol. kids use to pick on me in school cause I was rotated between my Jordan, Pippen, Rodman jerseys all the time lol.

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
05-11-2014, 07:55 PM
[QUOTE=Smook A.]Jordan is the greatest of all time. He's definitely not overrated. His resume speaks for itself.

For years basketball fans have argued over who is the greatest player of all time. Players like Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar are among the players who come to mind. However, the one player who defined greatness was Michael Jordan.

It

Angel Face
05-11-2014, 07:55 PM
[QUOTE=Smook A.]Jordan is the greatest of all time. He's definitely not overrated. His resume speaks for itself.

For years basketball fans have argued over who is the greatest player of all time. Players like Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar are among the players who come to mind. However, the one player who defined greatness was Michael Jordan.

It

Smook A.
05-11-2014, 07:55 PM
Your name Tim Doherty?:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/926592-michael-jordan-the-greatest-of-all-time
:confusedshrug:
Nah, its Shawn. I used to write for B/R tho

ArbitraryWater
05-11-2014, 07:56 PM
Dude you just copied off this entire article and tried to take credit for it

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/926592-michael-jordan-the-greatest-of-all-time

lmfaoo after edit.... you wrote for br? okay then

MrC1991
05-11-2014, 07:57 PM
lol that was a good ass essay though.

ArbitraryWater
05-11-2014, 07:58 PM
LOL at pauk using that same article here :oldlol:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=277266&page=8

I see they were thinking about if it was him as well lol

Smook A.
05-11-2014, 08:00 PM
How'd you guys find this stuff :lol

I changed up SOME words on mine. Won't happen again tho, lol.

:cheers: Nice job on finding the real dude.

Next time I write an essay, most of it wont be copied from an article. Swear

mark henson 123
05-11-2014, 08:01 PM
Dude you just copied off this entire article and tried to take credit for it

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/926592-michael-jordan-the-greatest-of-all-time

lmfaoo after edit.... you wrote for br? okay then


Michael Jordan is the biggest loser of all time

couldn't beat Detroit 89 and 90,cause he was a ball hog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
couldn't beat Orlando in 1995 cause couldn't guard shag
then emberssed himself playing baseball
then couldn't take his wizars to the playoffs
wilt averaged 24 rebounds a game and 5 blocks,lets see joradn do that!:biggums:

ArbitraryWater
05-11-2014, 08:03 PM
How'd you guys find this stuff :lol

I changed up SOME words on mine. Won't happen again tho, lol.

:cheers: Nice job on finding the real dude.

Next time I write an essay, most of it wont be copied from an article. Swear


LMFAO you excluded "Jeffrey" on Michael Jordan and that was like it GTFOH :oldlol:

I knew it... I cant believe you still went on with it on "I used to write for B/R" :oldlol:

Coming from the same guy who thought he's here posting with X-Man :D

Angel Face
05-11-2014, 08:05 PM
Michael Jordan is the biggest loser of all time

couldn't beat Detroit 89 and 90,cause he was a ball hog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
couldn't beat Orlando in 1995 cause couldn't guard shag
then emberssed himself playing baseball
then couldn't take his wizars to the playoffs
wilt averaged 24 rebounds a game and 5 blocks,lets see joradn do that!:biggums:

6/6 in the Finals... biggest loser of all time :oldlol: :facepalm I hope you get your ass raped in prison by some ugly fat Mexican gangster.

mehyaM24
05-11-2014, 08:08 PM
copied from BR

jordan mythologists :roll:


Consensus GOAT. 6/6 in the Finals, 6x FMVP, 5x MVP, 10x Scoring Champion, DPOY, 10x All NBA 1st team, 3x Steals Champion, name always pops up on every random stat, etc... Overrated?

:oldlol:

^further prove of his overrating. jordan had zero competition in the east....reggie miller,starks,injured isiah thomas,post acl dominique wilkins? fcuking joke competition....

Smook A.
05-11-2014, 08:08 PM
LMFAO you excluded "Jeffrey" on Michael Jordan and that was like it GTFOH :oldlol:

I knew it... I cant believe you still went on with it on "I used to write for B/R" :oldlol:

Coming from the same guy who thought he's here posting with X-Man :D
:oldlol:

I've actually written some big stuff before. Its only happened 2 times where I copied and pasted some things. Won't happen again lol :cheers:

ArbitraryWater
05-11-2014, 08:09 PM
:oldlol:

I've actually written some big stuff before. Its only happened 2 times where I copied and pasted some things. Won't happen again lol :cheers:


You lucky ISH isnt going in on you right, cause you good ol smook... others be getting killed right now :lol

Marlo_Stanfield
05-11-2014, 08:09 PM
wilt is goat but not much longer lebron will dethrone him:rockon:

mehyaM24
05-11-2014, 08:16 PM
MJs the 2nd greatest to KAJ:biggums: :biggums:
Unlike Wilt MJ actually raised his game in the playoffs:biggums:

im ok with that. the "consensus" nonsense is what im arguing.

id personally take kareem,shaq,magic over jordan

Smook A.
05-11-2014, 08:17 PM
You lucky ISH isnt going in on you right, cause you good ol smook... others be getting killed right now :lol
Very true. Shit if I was Jameer, i'd be getting death threats right now :rolleyes:

ArbitraryWater
05-11-2014, 08:17 PM
im ok with that. the "consensus" nonsense is what im arguing.

id personally take kareem,shaq,magic over jordan

shaqpop my man, u wrong on that magic ish

ArbitraryWater
05-11-2014, 08:18 PM
Very true. Shit if I was Jameer, i'd be getting death threats right now :rolleyes:

:roll:

mehyaM24
05-11-2014, 08:26 PM
shaqpop my man, u wrong on that magic ish

just a difference in opinion,agree to disagree. magic is the GOAT offensive weapon

Psileas
05-11-2014, 08:30 PM
"Wilt" and "overrated" in the same sentence, especially here. :oldlol: :facepalm
Wilt, among the ones who didn't see him play, is among the most underrated athletes ever and it's not even close. Almost everyone who's seen him play ranks him among the very GOAT (but what do eyewitnesses know...:rolleyes: )
Then again, it's one of the multiple ISH trolls that makes this question, so, completely expected.

Marlo_Stanfield
05-11-2014, 08:33 PM
6/6 in the Finals... biggest loser of all time :oldlol: :facepalm I hope you get your ass raped in prison by some ugly fat Mexican gangster.
mj stans showing their true class:applause:

Sarcastic
05-11-2014, 08:37 PM
Wilt has been dead for 15 years, and yet there are 4 threads on the front page of this forum about him.

How is that overrated? I would say he's most hated, not overrated.