Abortion counselor films own abortion and it becomes a viral video

[MavsSuperFan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/08/new-jersey-abortion-clinic-counselor-films-her-own-abortion/

25 year old emily letts is an abortion counselor and she basically tells women about the options they have if they dont want to be a mother yet.

She gets pregnant and decides to film it to educate women about the abortion process.

I honestly did not realize abortion was that quick of a process. For some reason I thought it took more than an hour.

her youtube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxPUKV-WlKw

[Jameerthefear]

idk how u don't feel sad about killing your own child but ok

[Real Men Wear Green]

Just in time for mothers day.

[ErhnamDjinn]

idk how u don't feel sad about killing your own child but ok
This. I mean they keep talking about how its a womans body and such, but thats another person already. When you terminate a pregnancy thats murder for me.

[MavsSuperFan]

idk how u don't feel sad about killing your own child but ok
Makes you wonder if she got pregnant on purpose to make a statement.

[JohnFreeman]

Why did so many people dislike it? are abortions still taboo?

[Fawker]

This. I mean they keep talking about how its a womans body and such, but thats another person already. When you terminate a pregnancy thats murder for me.
its not murder. its contraception, birth control, and she is an adult

[Jameerthefear]

this is why you get no titty

you're so soft
:yaohappy:
i get titty.

[Jameerthefear]

you get fat kik titty
nooooo. latina girl would have sent me titty but kyle cockblocked me.

[Fawker]

face it only couples that cant conceive have a problem with this. get your nut game and ovaries up.

[Meticode]

This video makes me sad. It makes me sad because it's a cop out. "I'm not ready to have a baby."

I don't know how many times I've heard this. I would guess most people who get pregnant aren't ready to have a baby. And the way she did the video and she talks about it just portrays her being self-centered or selfish because she simply "isn't ready". The thing that got to me was how she mentioned she thought it was awesome she could create life. And yet the whole video is her killing life.

She's her own person and she can do what she wants to do obviously, but i don't think it's right or morally sound.

In any case, her disabling her comments on the channel is a telling sign that she wants to put her story out there, but she doesn't want to deal with what people think about it.

[Meticode]

Why did so many people dislike it? are abortions still taboo?
I would say in most circles I know it is taboo if it's simply because you're not ready for a child.

[DeuceWallaces]

Nothing good would come out of comments on that video. Just death threats, bomb threats, insults, and mindless bickering.

[fpliii]

Over 10k people downvoting? :oldlol:

Much respect to efforts like this (though the video comes off as a bit corny/forced), people need to be educated so abortion can shed the "taboo" label.

[Meticode]

Nothing good would come out of comments on that video. Just death threats, bomb threats, insults, and mindless bickering.
That's fine, someone made a reply video and a bunch of positive comments are in that reply video about it. I tried to make a respectful disagreement reply about it, but it is what it is.

[Meticode]

Over 10k people downvoting? :oldlol:

Much respect to efforts like this (though the video comes off as a bit corny/forced), people need to be educated so abortion can shed the "taboo" label.
What is it that you think people aren't understanding about it?

[ace23]

Over 10k people downvoting? :oldlol:

Much respect to efforts like this (though the video comes off as a bit corny/forced), people need to be educated so abortion can shed the "taboo" label.
The video does nothing to educate anyone. Just some dumbass looking for attention.

[fpliii]

What is it that you think people aren't understanding about it?
Mostly regarding the process, it doesn't seem to be anywhere near as involved/drawn out as one would imagine. It's possible that selective editing could frame it in a certain way that the process just seems less intense.

I do think there are a ton of hangups because people have preconceived morals and view it as anything more than contraception, but those will still be there until more people grow out of religion (not sure if this will happen during our lifetimes). That's a different conversation entirely, though.

[ace23]

Mostly regarding the process, it doesn't seem to be anywhere near as involved/drawn out as one would imagine. It's possible that selective editing could frame it in a certain way that the process just seems less intense.

I do think there are a ton of hangups because people have preconceived morals and view it as anything more than contraception, but those will still be there until more people grow out of religion (not sure if this will happen during our lifetimes). That's a different conversation entirely, though.
I don't think you know what contraception is.

[fpliii]

I don't think you know what contraception is.
Is contraception definitionally before conception? I thought it was a broad term for birth control (under which early term abortions fall). Apologies if I'm using the wrong terminology here.

[GimmeThat]

For religious purposes, we will consider abortion as murder.

My question is then, is it nessecarily a crime to take away ones life who had no chance of surviving?
Bad parents exist, period, unprepared parents exist. this includes that of biological and that of foster/adoption.

I've learned that some people might just never want to be a parent in their life, but then who knows why they got pregnant from the first place.


So, are people allowed to make mistakes?

My guesses are, abortion/murder is the result of compounded mistakes after mistakes.

The weapon of mass destruction, is the lifestyle each individual chooses to live and practice.

[LJJ]

Watched the video for a couple of seconds and she seems like an insane person.

[Scoooter]

Is contraception definitionally before conception? I thought it was a broad term for birth control (under which early term abortions fall). Apologies if I'm using the wrong terminology here.
contra - against, opposed to;
-ception, as in conception...

[ErhnamDjinn]

its not murder. its contraception, birth control, and she is an adult
For you maybe. For me contraception is fine with the pill. Condom etc. This one a life was already conceived. The argument she was a adult and its her own body just shows shes a dumb sh!t who is irresponsible and instead of taking care not to get pregnant chooses to murder another life.

[ErhnamDjinn]

This video makes me sad. It makes me sad because it's a cop out. "I'm not ready to have a baby."

I don't know how many times I've heard this. I would guess most people who get pregnant aren't ready to have a baby. And the way she did the video and she talks about it just portrays her being self-centered or selfish because she simply "isn't ready". The thing that got to me was how she mentioned she thought it was awesome she could create life. And yet the whole video is her killing life.

She's her own person and she can do what she wants to do obviously, but i don't think it's right or morally sound.

In any case, her disabling her comments on the channel is a telling sign that she wants to put her story out there, but she doesn't want to deal with what people think about it.
This all these pro choice fckers are just using I wasnt ready as a cop out. How easy would it be to just take a pill slip on a condom. She videos her self to say shes educating people on what how easy it is to end a life. That if your not ready to be a mom all it takes is 15 to 30 min and its painless and easy. Love how people in the comments calling her a hero to other women. Wtf she took the easy way out plain and simple. All I have to say is hopefully she is more responsible in the future.

[ShackEelOKneel]

Lots of butt hurt people in this thread.

[MavsSuperFan]

I would say in most circles I know it is taboo if it's simply because you're not ready for a child.

I would guess 90%+ of abortions are due to the mother making the decision on economic and social factors other than rape or incest, rather than medical factors.

Eg. They are going to school and dont want to drop out, they just started a new job, they dont want to hurt their chances at advancement in their current job, they cant afford to have a child, the father of the child is not a man they envision themselves with in any long term capacity, etc.


This video makes me sad. It makes me sad because it's a cop out. "I'm not ready to have a baby."

I don't know how many times I've heard this. I would guess most people who get pregnant aren't ready to have a baby. And the way she did the video and she talks about it just portrays her being self-centered or selfish because she simply "isn't ready". The thing that got to me was how she mentioned she thought it was awesome she could create life. And yet the whole video is her killing life.

She's her own person and she can do what she wants to do obviously, but i don't think it's right or morally sound.

In any case, her disabling her comments on the channel is a telling sign that she wants to put her story out there, but she doesn't want to deal with what people think about it.

It may be immoral, but It is a legitimate concern. There has been a lot of studies that explored having a child before one is financially ready, and in most cases it shows that it is extremely detrimental to the mother's (and if the father participates in raising the child) life.

They are less likely to finish school, get an advanced degree, make less money, live in worse neighborhoods, send their kids to worse schools, more likely to experience crime, etc.


Also it is based on statistical evidence creating horrible probabilities for the child born to an unready parent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk6gOeggViw
Abortions and Crime: Freakonomics Movie
"the legalization of abortion in the 1970s was the prime reason crime dropped in the 1970s"

Watch the 4 min clip, it argues something uncomfortable, but hard to reject.


I would guess most people who get pregnant aren't ready to have a baby.

I would disagree. almost everyone I know is having babies much later now, and overall the stats in America show that this is a trend. Women are choosing to have babies in their late 20s, and 30s rather than when the used to historically start having children.

They are doing this because they dont want to have kids until they and their spouse have established careers.

(Purely speculative and off topic) I personally think the trend of women having kids later in life is part of the uptick in autism. The eggs in the women being older and all.

[MavsSuperFan]

What is it that you think people aren't understanding about it?
I personally never realized the procedure was that quick.
For some reason I had always equated it with major surgery.

[16X]

This all these pro choice fckers are just using I wasnt ready as a cop out. How easy would it be to just take a pill slip on a condom. She videos her self to say shes educating people on what how easy it is to end a life. That if your not ready to be a mom all it takes is 15 to 30 min and its painless and easy. Love how people in the comments calling her a hero to other women. Wtf she took the easy way out plain and simple. All I have to say is hopefully she is more responsible in the future.
I didn't watch the video, but if her intention was to send the message that getting an abortion is not something to be ashamed of, I can support that message. More abortions is almost surely a good thing. The only thing I'm worried about concerning abortion is the woman's health.

[Patrick Chewing]

What a dumb ****. She clearly has mental issues.

[sweggeh]

Abortions are evil. Having a life that is less than ideal is better than not having a life at all. If you have already been negligent enough to get pregnant "accidentally", then you should not compound the mistake by then robbing a person of life.

If she REALLY wants to get rid of the child, why not put it up for adoption? There are many unfortunate couples out there who cannot have kids of their own and will be more than happy to give this child a opportunity at the life it deserves.

[magic chiongson]

the only scenario that could perhaps justify abortion are women who got raped.

[The Iron Sheik]

i think it's more irresponsible for a person who isn't ready to have a child to bring them into the world and have them live a ****ed up childhood. at least she's honest about not being ready / wanting a child. most people having sex aren't doing it to have children anyway.

[MavsSuperFan]

the only scenario that could perhaps justify abortion are women who got raped.

what about the cases where child birth might kill the mother?

[Theoo]

yo what a fk** HAVE ISH HOOP LOSED THERE DAMN MINDS ?!?!?! ARE OYU FK** BETA RETARTS ?? FK** ALL YOU RETARTED BETA STUPID ASS RETART MOTHER****ER !!!! are you fk** stupid or what ?? oh want a damn children if i make a woman pregnant i wlel punch her fk ** sotmach like i want a crybaby to my house man . if woman dont want a children then abort that babey and throw it to trash can it is mure murder to make stupid retart babby because woman doesnt want take care of it you dumbass what matter to u not everone want a children and not everone want take care of it i swear to god i well punch some of you retarts and your pregnant peroid wife fk** u

[Theoo]

i juts murder a thousends children all over my keyboard who want a pictur

[ForeverHeat]

Theo I didnt know dogs had abortions!

[Derka]

A three-minute video is a pretty poor vessel for communicating her message, but I approve of the spirit of it...although I'm willing to bet that pro-choice folks would rather see someone who isn't quite so much of a dingbat speaking up here.

No sense getting into the discussion because its just people talking in circles and beating the dead horse.

[magic chiongson]

edit: nvm

[Dresta]

What a despicable piece of shit.

lol @ Mavs bringing his usual liberal platitudes to the thread. 'It ok cos killin your baby cos u not ready is not as bad as holding a bad opinion' bla bla bla

[COnDEMnED]

Damn, she could abort my child anytime....or not..either way it gets in. She's hot.

[MavsSuperFan]

What a despicable piece of shit.

lol @ Mavs bringing his usual liberal platitudes to the thread. 'It ok cos killin your baby cos u not ready is not as bad as holding a bad opinion' bla bla bla
rent free:dancin

[The Iron Sheik]

People who think it's murder, when a friend gets an abortion do you want for them to be locked up? Do you never speak to them again knowing what a monster they are? Are you terrified when you see them knowing they are capable of anything?

i buy them drinks as a gift.

[eriX]

is it that hard for people to put on condoms/take birth control pills these days? :facepalm

[oh the horror]

How many of you heroes give a shit when broke welfare poverty stricken mothers have these babies and can't care for them?



Not on your dollar through right?

[GimmeThat]

when our youth has been saved.

perhaps we could start having an intellectual conversation about making abortion illegal.

perhaps.

[Dresta]

How many of you heroes give a shit when broke welfare poverty stricken mothers have these babies and can't care for them?



Not on your dollar through right?
How about take some personal responsibility and don't breed if you can't afford it? This isn't about broke people anyway, where abortion is understandable (though still very selfish) it's about how aborting your baby has become a lifestyle choice, for rich and poor alike. Women like this 'counselor' are happy to promote abortion as if they were simply picking a career path, or a personal hobby, as if no moral considerations are present whatsoever. She is disgusting and inhuman, but at least i can take solace in the fact that plenty of people similar to her will have been aborted already.

She says 'i'm showing there can be such a thing as a positive abortion story!' - sorry, but there is no such thing, and you'd actually have to be completely sociopathic (or ignorant and brainwashed) to think otherwise.

edit: the video doesn't even show her bottom half and so actually ignores the procedure. So she has a 'reality of abortion' video without even showing the process. I guess if they showed her with a thin tube shoved up her fanny that sucks the fetus out, compressing it into liquid mush in the process, some people might come away with the wrong idea and end up thinking abortion actually isn't a joyous pastime.

[dunksby]

Very noble of you since there is no chance you could get pregnant.

[Dresta]

Very noble of you since there is no chance you could get pregnant.
:facepalm

This isn't an argument, only a facile and irrelevant observation. There is almost no chance of getting pregnant if you are a female and a remotely responsible human being; if you expose yourself to the risk then why shouldn't you have to deal with the consequences of that bad decision? Why should the consequences be shifted vicariously onto an entity that has no voice and no means of defending itself?

How about: 'very noble of you considering you've already been born.'

[dunksby]

:facepalm

This isn't an argument, only a facile and irrelevant observation. There is almost no chance of getting pregnant if you are a female and a remotely responsible human being; if you expose yourself to the risk then why shouldn't you have to deal with the consequences of that bad decision? Why should the consequences be shifted vicariously onto an entity that has no voice and no means of defending itself?

How about: 'very noble of you considering you've already been born.'
I wouldn't be bickering about it online though.

[MavsSuperFan]

How about take some personal responsibility and don't breed if you can't afford it? This isn't about broke people anyway, where abortion is understandable (though still very selfish) it's about how aborting your baby has become a lifestyle choice, for rich and poor alike. Women like this 'counselor' are happy to promote abortion as if they were simply picking a career path, or a personal hobby, as if no moral considerations are present whatsoever. She is disgusting and inhuman, but at least i can take solace in the fact that plenty of people similar to her will have been aborted already.

She says 'i'm showing there can be such a thing as a positive abortion story!' - sorry, but there is no such thing, and you'd actually have to be completely sociopathic (or ignorant and brainwashed) to think otherwise.

edit: the video doesn't even show her bottom half and so actually ignores the procedure. So she has a 'reality of abortion' video without even showing the process. I guess if they showed her with a thin tube shoved up her fanny that sucks the fetus out, compressing it into liquid mush in the process, some people might come away with the wrong idea and end up thinking abortion actually isn't a joyous pastime.

When it is a fetus:
OMG we have to protect this wondrous creation of God.

After it is born:
****ing leech, get a job you bum

[ace23]

When it is a fetus:
OMG we have to protect this wondrous creation of God.

After it is born:
****ing leech, get a job you bum
Before it is conceived: Use a condom.

[ForeverHeat]

For once I actually agree with Dresta. If you havent been raped, or the baby is not endangering either the mother or its own life, then you have NO reason to consider abortion.

You dont want a baby? You ever heard of a thing called adoption? Why not give this poor thing a chance at life? Instead a living thing is sucked out looking like its been through a blender just because some hoe that couldnt afford a condom "isnt ready for a baby".

Also, how much of a retard is this bitch that she is a adoption counselor yet manages to get pregnant herself?

[MavsSuperFan]

For once I actually agree with Dresta. If you havent been raped, or the baby is not endangering either the mother or its own life, then you have NO reason to consider abortion.

You dont want a baby? You ever heard of a thing called adoption? Why not give this poor thing a chance at life? Instead a living thing is sucked out looking like its been through a blender just because some hoe that couldnt afford a condom "isnt ready for a baby".

Also, how much of a retard is this bitch that she is a adoption counselor yet manages to get pregnant herself?
She is almost the exact opposite. abortion counselor

[16X]

For once I actually agree with Dresta. If you havent been raped, or the baby is not endangering either the mother or its own life, then you have NO reason to consider abortion.

You dont want a baby? You ever heard of a thing called adoption? Why not give this poor thing a chance at life? Instead a living thing is sucked out looking like its been through a blender just because some hoe that couldnt afford a condom "isnt ready for a baby".

Also, how much of a retard is this bitch that she is a adoption counselor yet manages to get pregnant herself?
There are plenty of kids already waiting to be adopted. There is no need to bring another unwanted child into this world, and the mother shouldn't have to go through child birth if she doesn't want to.

It would be preferable for women who don't want kids to not get pregnant, but we're not living in a perfect world where people don't make mistakes. I don't care that the fetus is a living thing. Why should anyone care about that? It can't feel pain. It has no memories or experiences. What's the big loss? The poor thing deserved a chance at life? Why? What makes the fetus any more deserving of life than the other hundreds of thousands of potential lives in a woman's ovaries?

If someone keeps getting pregnant and has abortion after abortion, I can't respect that person and they are clearly a huge moron, but if a woman makes one big mistake and ends up getting an abortion because they don't think they are ready, I respect that decision.

[Dresta]

When it is a fetus:
OMG we have to protect this wondrous creation of God.

After it is born:
****ing leech, get a job you bum
Seriously, what the hell is the matter with you man?

I've never said nor do i believe either of those. I have a low opinion of mankind in general, i don't believe in God, and i think the state has a role to play in the lives of disenfranchised children. Adults, on the other hand, are required to take a bit more responsibility for themselves, because otherwise they will never act like adults and will always remain child-like, irresponsible and parasitical (like children, you see).

But you keep spewing out your mocking liberal platitudes and caricatures as you deny reality and worship a religion of your very own in the process. Honestly, your thought process is like that of a cult member: so incredibly rigid, indoctrinated and depressing it is.


There are plenty of kids already waiting to be adopted. There is no need to bring another unwanted child into this world, and the mother shouldn't have to go through child birth if she doesn't want to.

It would be preferable for women who don't want kids to not get pregnant, but we're not living in a perfect world where people don't make mistakes. I don't care that the fetus is a living thing. Why should anyone care about that? It can't feel pain. It has no memories or experiences. What's the big loss? The poor thing deserved a chance at life? Why? What makes the fetus any more deserving of life than the other hundreds of thousands of potential lives in a woman's ovaries?

If someone keeps getting pregnant and has abortion after abortion, I can't respect that person and they are clearly a huge moron, but if a woman makes one big mistake and ends up getting an abortion because they don't think they are ready, I respect that decision.So every child that is unwanted should be aborted? You know you would not exist if this practice had been followed over the last few centuries?

Your middle paragraph shows your ignorance. What makes the fetus more deserving of life than a sperm or ovum? Well, only that the fetus already has life, and is a unique organism in its own right, something that cannot be said for reproductive cells. The logic used by most is 'well, if it can't survive on its own, then abortion is ok' - but these lines of arbitration are simply imaginary, with the age a fetus being capable of surviving outside of the womb decreasing as technology improves, and all infants being parasitical by nature. Indeed, very young infants have no memories or experiences - so is it ok to eliminate them too? Provided it is done painlessly, of course?

[16X]

So every child that is unwanted should be aborted? You know you would not exist if this practice had been followed over the last few centuries?
So what if I never came to exist? :confusedshrug: What does that matter? If I never came to exist, it wouldn't bother me at all. I wouldn't be able to be bothered by it, not existing and all.


Your middle paragraph shows your ignorance. What makes the fetus more deserving of life than a sperm or ovum? Well, only that the fetus already has life, and is a unique organism in its own right, something that cannot be said for reproductive cells. The logic used by most is 'well, if it can't survive on its own, then abortion is ok' - but these lines of arbitration are simply imaginary, with the age a fetus being capable of surviving outside of the womb decreasing as technology improves, and all infants being parasitical by nature. Indeed, very young infants have no memories or experiences - so is it ok to eliminate them too? Provided it is done painlessly, of course?
We each have a right to life under the law, so no, I don't think it's ok to kill babies. The fetus is in the woman's body. Her body, her choice if she wants to kill the thing. I'm surprised to learn you're an atheist. You think a fetus deserves to be born simply because it's alive and unique in it's own right? That sounds like something a Christian would say. "God breathed life into it and implanted the soul". You don't believe in god and souls don't exist, so why exactly does it matter that the fetus is living?

[Dresta]

So what if I never came to exist? :confusedshrug: What does that matter? If I never came to exist, it wouldn't bother me at all. I wouldn't be able to be bothered by it, not existing and all.


We each have a right to life under the law, so no, I don't think it's ok to kill babies. The fetus is in the woman's body. Her body, her choice if she wants to kill the thing. I'm surprised to learn you're an atheist. You think a fetus deserves to be born simply because it's alive and unique in it's own right? That sounds like something a Christian would say. "God breathed life into it and implanted the soul". You don't believe in god and souls don't exist, so why exactly does it matter that the fetus is living?
:biggums:

Dude, you are ****ing retarded.

[The Iron Sheik]

how do you know 16x wouldn't have existed if more women used abortion? his parents could have planned to have him. i'm 90% sure my parents planned to have me.

[Droid101]

:biggums:

Dude, you are ****ing retarded.
He's not, but we all can see someone in this thread who is.