If Donald Sterling says racist stuff about Asian people, would he receive any penalty

[Kidbasketball20]

The answer is no.


At most he'd get a fine like NBA players do for using homophobic slurs during the game.



I know most of the league is black, but there is a major double standard when you think about if he had said the same thing about Asians/Latinos etc..

[Im Still Ballin]

The answer is no.


At most he'd get a fine like NBA players do for using homophobic slurs during the game.



I know most of the league is black, but there is a major double standard when you think about if he had said the same thing about Asians/Latinos etc..
And what do you base any of this on? This is pathetic.

Straight conjecture, you have no credibility here Gandalf the grey.

Mods, take him away.

[UK2K]

No. Only blacks and gays are protected groups.

But it doesnt matter. Its over.

[Knicks2014champ]

black people are the most sensitive people on the planet op and the clippers plyers have to be the biggest ******* on the planet

[SyRyanYang]

This whole thing only shows how insecure Americans are when it comes to racism.

[livinglegend]

And what do you base any of this on? This is pathetic.

Straight conjecture, you have no credibility here Gandalf the grey.

Mods, take him away.

i ve got documents to back his claims, pm me for more information

[Im Still Ballin]

i ve got documents to back his claims, pm me for more information
What are your credentials?

I highly doubt you would have such documents.

[Threethrows]

What are your credentials?

I highly doubt you would have such documents.

I can confirm the existence of said documents. They are highly classified and not for public viewing though, please PM for further confirmation.

[livinglegend]

What are your credentials?

I highly doubt you would have such documents.

top secret, cant tell more than this in here.
PM me for more

[GimmeThat]

probably not.

Asians would probably just go print out pictures of his face attached with U MAD and attend the Clippers game

:rolleyes:

[rmt]

You do realize that Asians are treated the opposite of blacks when it comes to college admissions. They've got to score higher than everyone else to even come close to being treated on an even playing field. They get no special treatment when it comes to affirmative action in college or employment situations - reverse discrimination. No one would even report it if Sterling said racist stuff about asians.

[AnaheimLakers24]

stereotyping is more fun than being a racist. everyone can join in on the fun. Also most stereotypes are true so no one is getting hurt

[sportjames23]

You fools honestly think that nothing would happen if Sterling had been caught saying racist shit about Asians? GTFO

And seriously, you muh****as talking shit about blacks and gays getting special treatment, but how many variations of the words '******' and '******' get tossed around here?

Bottom line, there's no place in society for that shit, especially in the work environment, and no reason for any minority to put up with it.

[oarabbus]

That one guy on ESPN mistakenly wrote about a "***** in the Armor" during Linsanity and he lost his job. Of course there would be repercussions OP.

[5 rings fan]

Asians do think they are the worst kind of race in the world, so they probably will support Sterling.

Don't believe me if you don't want to.

[sportjames23]

Asians do think they are the worst kind of race in the world, so they probably will support Sterling.

Don't believe me if you don't want to.


:biggums:

[oarabbus]

You fools honestly think that nothing would happen if Sterling had been caught saying racist shit about Asians? GTFO

And seriously, you muh****as talking shit about blacks and gays getting special treatment, but how many variations of the words '******' and '******' get tossed around here?

Bottom line, there's no place in society for that shit, especially in the work environment, and no reason for any minority to put up with it.


:applause: especially the bold. You can think whatever you want in your private life but if word gets to your professional life, there will be consequences, even if getting exposed wasn't your fault.

[NumberSix]

You fools honestly think that nothing would happen if Sterling had been caught saying racist shit about Asians? GTFO
Yes. There's a team called "Redskins". There are obviously some groups we really don't give a fcuk about insulting.

[sportjames23]

Yes. There's a team called "Redskins". There are obviously some groups we really don't give a fcuk about insulting.

Of course. No matter what, there's still going to be racism and discrimination. Doesn't mean we don't fight against it. Hopefully, the Redskins name (and all other offensive Native American nicknames in sports) will be changed. But it'll only happen if people are persistent in getting it changed.

Some groups are more vocal about racism than others, but it's still something we all must fight.

[NumberSix]

Of course. No matter what, there's still going to be racism and discrimination. Doesn't mean we don't fight against it. Hopefully, the Redskins name (and all other offensive Native American nicknames in sports) will be changed. But it'll only happen if people are persistent in getting it changed.

Some groups are more vocal about racism than others, but it's still something we all must fight.
I would strongly disagree.

Discrimination is already illegal. People thinking and saying racial things doesn't need to fought against. It actually needs to be protected. Our principles regarding thought and speech are too important. Having to hear hateful people say hurtful things from time to time is the price we pay for the greater good.

[Im so nba'd out]

The answer is no.


At most he'd get a fine like NBA players do for using homophobic slurs during the game.



I know most of the league is black, but there is a major double standard when you think about if he had said the same thing about Asians/Latinos etc..
you slip up we get u fired get over it we got that type of power now.make sure u never slip up around black ppl or u will lose your job too or worst get your azz beat its just that easy......
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4974964480/h69864E15/

[sportjames23]

I would strongly disagree.

Discrimination is already illegal. People thinking and saying racial things doesn't need to fought against. It actually needs to be protected. Our principles regarding thought and speech are too important. Having to hear hateful people say hurtful things from time to time is the price we pay for the greater good.


I see what you're saying, but you also have to think about how someone like Sterling has power to screw others over because of his bigotry. This is the same guy known for past racial incidents and screwing over minority tenants he landlorded.

It's one thing if you or I said some stupid shit like this. We don't employ anyone we could hire and fire at our whim. This dude does. He could personally not like blacks, Hispanics, Asians or gays, but he can't discriminate against them.

[NumberSix]

I see what you're saying, but you also have to think about how someone like Sterling has power to screw others over because of his bigotry. This is the same guy known for past racial incidents and screwing over minority tenants he landlorded.

It's one thing if you or I said some stupid shit like this. We don't employ anyone we could hire and fire at our whim. This dude does. He could personally not like blacks, Hispanics, Asians or gays, but he can't discriminate against them.
Like I said. Discrimination is already illegal.

[oarabbus]

I see what you're saying, but you also have to think about how someone like Sterling has power to screw others over because of his bigotry. This is the same guy known for past racial incidents and screwing over minority tenants he landlorded.

It's one thing if you or I said some stupid shit like this. We don't employ anyone we could hire and fire at our whim. This dude does. He could personally not like blacks, Hispanics, Asians or gays, but he can't discriminate against them.


The tricky part here is in this case (the Clippers) he doesn't appear to have engaged in any discrimination. He does have a history of it but you couldn't convict a criminal just because they have a history of theft or something.

[JtotheIzzo]

The answer is no.


At most he'd get a fine like NBA players do for using homophobic slurs during the game.



I know most of the league is black, but there is a major double standard when you think about if he had said the same thing about Asians/Latinos etc..


He'd be hit hard, but maybe not the death sentence he got.

Why:

NBA is 75% black and outside of the church the most important entity in the black community. For Asians it is not the same.

However:

LA/OC/IE is one of the most Asian places outside of Asia so there would be HUGE financial losses, and it is all about money so the NBA would act.

[tgan3]

I remembered one of the sports writer wrote "ch1nk in the armor" regarding lin's performance and he was fired. So no, there is no double standard.

[ShackEelOKneel]

I remembered one of the sports writer wrote "ch1nk in the armor" regarding lin's performance and he was fired. So no, there is no double standard.

I remember that.

[Nash]

If it was black or jews it would have been the same sentence.

Asians, gays or latinos= fine

Muslims, russians = Freedom of speech

[iBandwagon]

The answer is no.


At most he'd get a fine like NBA players do for using homophobic slurs during the game.



I know most of the league is black, but there is a major double standard when you think about if he had said the same thing about Asians/Latinos etc..

Can they do any more to him? Maybe fine him $2.5M more, but they already took away pretty much everything from him for his comments about black people.

[tomSR.]

would be a whole lot easier if white and indians lived in america, africans in africa, and asians stayed in asia..........then we would never hear of racism :rockon:

[navy]

would be a whole lot easier if white and indians lived in america, africans in africa, and asians stayed in asia..........then we would never hear of racism :rockon:
:facepalm

[ZoPunde]

he would if he was an owner in the cba

[mikek85]

would be a whole lot easier if white and indians lived in america, africans in africa, and asians stayed in asia..........then we would never hear of racism :rockon:

White and Indians lived in America? It would just be Indians. Wtf is wrong with you lol

[mikek85]

The answer is no.


At most he'd get a fine like NBA players do for using homophobic slurs during the game.



I know most of the league is black, but there is a major double standard when you think about if he had said the same thing about Asians/Latinos etc..

Always a double standard bro. Culture we live in. Black
People do blow things out of proportion though.

[tomSR.]

White and Indians lived in America? It would just be Indians. Wtf is wrong with you lol

yeah, but the white euros that came over, made america a great place :pimp: .......indians just sat and drank firewater and smoked tobacco

[mikek85]

yeah, but the white euros that came over, made america a great place :pimp:

U be trollin :rolleyes:

[senelcoolidge]

Black people need to drop the victim mentality. Enough of that crap.

[Adam Silver]

If he said things about Asians, I'd do this to him:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmaxhgtIYAEMu8A.jpg

[Kidbasketball20]

I remembered one of the sports writer wrote "ch1nk in the armor" regarding lin's performance and he was fired. So no, there is no double standard.


Jason Whitlock said asians have small ***** and nothing happened

Some news anchor's made fun of his eyes and nothing happened

[sd3035]

Asians don't complain enough to make a story about it

[Raymone]

Nothing significant would happen. Likewise if a black coach or player was recorded saying something racist about asians or white people.

[Manila]

What if sterling is black, then said racist stuff against asians?

[The Iron Sheik]

i'm tired of hearing this talk about "special treatment" for black people in america. how far do you guys think "affirmative action" and shit goes? lol some of you people act like black people have all of these special rules and accommodations laid out of them that guarantee a great life. being white >> affirmative action

[Im Still Ballin]

i'm tired of hearing this talk about "special treatment" for black people in america. how far do you guys think "affirmative action" and shit goes? lol some of you people act like black people have all of these special rules and accommodations laid out of them that guarantee a great life. being white >> affirmative action
Hey. Good. Post.

[guy]

If Sterling had a 10 minute rant about how he didn't want Asians coming to games and being associated with them, then it would be a big deal. That's much different then making fun of them for their eyes or d*ck size.

[Brokenbeat]

What if sterling is black, then said racist stuff against asians?


Black on Asian is probably my favorite kind of por.... erm, racism.

[NumberSix]

i'm tired of hearing this talk about "special treatment" for black people in america. how far do you guys think "affirmative action" and shit goes? lol some of you people act like black people have all of these special rules and accommodations laid out of them that guarantee a great life. being white >> affirmative action
When does anyone EVER get any extra benefit from simply being white?

[jstern]

Of course he would get shit if he said things like he didn't want Asians going to his game. It would be big news. Perhaps not to the extend as him saying the same about blacks, simply because probably over 80% of the players are black, and they're also the ones who have to answer the questions about it from reporters.

Look at the writer who got fired for calling Jeramy Lin a racist name.

I hate racists "victims" that think there's a conspiracy that are putting them down. These white racists must be the biggest losers in the US that they feel so threatened by black people. I can't imagine a successful white person giving a shit. They're not worried about the idea that they make less money than the average black person. Because from the studies I've read, that's the main cause for their obsession with black people and this idea that blacks are having it too good.

[jstern]

would be a whole lot easier if white and indians lived in america, africans in africa, and asians stayed in asia..........then we would never hear of racism :rockon:

People are genetically stupid. In every country that has all of it's members being the exact same race, the same problems similar to racism still happen. Instead of something physically obvious, it's now something like one group caring more about one specific aspect of the same religion, while another group caring more about another specific aspect of the same religion.

If it's not religion, then it would be something else. It doesn't take much imagination to think of other things.

Bottom line, people are stupid, and everyone must know that before they trust their own logic.

[IamRAMBO24]

You can call an asian all sorts of names and talk about his physical inferiority (***** size) and still get away with it.

You can't even comment about what a black person likes to eat or call them the N word although they use it blatantly amongst themselves. That's the difference.

What pisses me off even more is these black kids who are the first to cry out racism are usually the ones who hate on asians, gays, and whites. It's a double standard and seriously it needs to stop. These f*ckers can't see racism beyond their skin color and that's sad.

[The Iron Sheik]

When does anyone EVER get any extra benefit from simply being white?

by not having certain barriers placed in their way. in practical application, in professional application, it doesn't matter. normally that wouldn't mean anything, but when there are non-white groups of people who have things made harder for them BECAUSE they aren't white, it most certainly is a leg up.

don't think of it as white people necessarily getting something extra for being white. not like some special award or something. but that for white people, race almost doesn't exist, at least when dealing with the controlling majority (white people) in this country. for whites, color of skin is not a social disadvantage in America, at least not on a noticeable, major level.

[oarabbus]

would be a whole lot easier if white and indians lived in america, africans in africa, and asians stayed in asia..........then we would never hear of racism :rockon:

Would be a whole lot easier if you weren't a fakkit

[NumberSix]

by not having certain barriers placed in their way. in practical application, in professional application, it doesn't matter. normally that wouldn't mean anything, but when there are non-white groups of people who have things made harder for them BECAUSE they aren't white, it most certainly is a leg up.

don't think of it as white people necessarily getting something extra for being white. not like some special award or something. but that for white people, race almost doesn't exist, at least when dealing with the controlling majority (white people) in this country. for whites, color of skin is not a social disadvantage in America, at least not on a noticeable, major level.
Non-white people in America are the ones who have regulations to give them preferential treatment.

If individuals in their private life decide to have preferences towards white people (which obviously DOES happen) there's nothing you can do or should want to do about that. Chalk it up to freedom. I'm sure NONE of us want the government to force every white person to have 2 black friends, 5 hispanic friends and 1 Asian friend. I'm sure we also don't want forced opinions either.

[NumberSix]

Would be a whole lot easier if you weren't a fakkit
Would be a lot easier if you didn't hate homosexuals.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Of course he wont, the race card is a weapon only effective when used by the black people. You see the racial discrimination in South Africa has taken a complete reverse turn with the blacks discriminating against whites, but almost no one complains about it. Dating back to the Apartheid era when the blacks were being discriminated, complaints and protests were everywhere. Its technically racist if you discriminate against any race, but it only gets you into serious trouble if you do it to the blacks.

[NumberSix]

Of course he wont, the race card is a weapon only effective when used by the black people. You see the racial discrimination in South Africa has taken a complete reverse turn with the blacks discriminating against whites, but almost no one complains about it. Dating back to the Apartheid era when the blacks were being discriminated, complaints and protests were everywhere. Its technically racist if you discriminate against any race, but it only gets you into serious trouble if you do it to the blacks.
Apparently blacks can't even be racist because they don't have "power"...



Oh, wait.... Who is in power in South Africa right now?





South African whites can't be racist? :confusedshrug:

[AceManIII]

Smh, why do black people get away with so much!! :rant

[rmt]

There's definitely a double standard when it comes to minorities. I've just finished college applications with my daughter, and it frustrates the school administration how much reverse discrimination is going on in the process. The majority (mostly Asians) of the #2 math team in the US got wait listed at WashU when Caucasian, Hispanic and Black students with lesser grades/scores got accepted (and with get this - merit scholarships) - all in the name of DIVERSITY.

Point in case - some one got accepted to all 8 Ivy League schools (virtually unheard of) - if you guessed that this some one was black, you're right and it's not that his grades/scores were outstanding or that he had some hook (something special/unique). No, he's a bright kid (like all the other millions of bright kids) and no one wants to say it aloud, but he got accepted to all the ivy leagues because of the color of his skin.

[NumberSix]

There's definitely a double standard when it comes to minorities. I've just finished college applications with my daughter, and it frustrates the school administration how much reverse discrimination is going on in the process. The majority (mostly Asians) of the #2 math team in the US got wait listed at WashU when Caucasian, Hispanic and Black students with lesser grades/scores got accepted (and with get this - merit scholarships) - all in the name of DIVERSITY.

Point in case - some one got accepted to all 8 Ivy League schools (virtually unheard of) - if you guessed that this some one was black, you're right and it's not that his grades/scores were outstanding or that he had some hook (something special/unique). No, he's a bright kid (like all the other millions of bright kids) and no one wants to say it aloud, but he got accepted to all the ivy leagues because of the color of his skin.what exactly is the great benefit of "diversity" anyway? :confusedshrug:

[Kiddlovesnets]

There's definitely a double standard when it comes to minorities. I've just finished college applications with my daughter, and it frustrates the school administration how much reverse discrimination is going on in the process. The majority (mostly Asians) of the #2 math team in the US got wait listed at WashU when Caucasian, Hispanic and Black students with lesser grades/scores got accepted (and with get this - merit scholarships) - all in the name of DIVERSITY.


I agree with your point that people care way too much about diversity nowadays, but I dont think the college application is a good example. The fact is that test scores and academic skills are not the only things admission committees care about. They also worry about a prospect's personality, extracurricular activities, creativity, athleticism, leadership, family background and other important qualities/characteristics that even I have yet to figure out.

[The Iron Sheik]

Non-white people in America are the ones who have regulations to give them preferential treatment.

If individuals in their private life decide to have preferences towards white people (which obviously DOES happen) there's nothing you can do or should want to do about that. Chalk it up to freedom. I'm sure NONE of us want the government to force every white person to have 2 black friends, 5 hispanic friends and 1 Asian friend. I'm sure we also don't want forced opinions either.

preferential treatment to halfway make up for the discrimination already in place so two parties can try to be equal? sure. but there is nothing that puts non-whites ahead of white people because they...aren't white. there's a reason white people don't have an NAACP. they've never needed one.

you're missing my point man. I'm not talking about somebody calling me a ****** or something. some old white lady clenching her purse when I walk past or something. I don't give a **** about people's personal racist tendencies. let people hate whomever they want. I don't give a ****. I'm speaking towards people who seem to think that nowadays, because of things like "affirmative action" (without even knowing how it works) or hbcu's that white people have somehow taken a backseat to minorities, which is patently false. being white has never been a disadvantage in this country, and it never will be

for the record, I wasn't even mad at Sterling. ****, half of the other owners probably hang with the same kind of people. I'm more upset at the nba's and others' hypocrisy when it comes to Sterling. he's done way worse shit than this and no one bats an eyelash. this dude was quite literally toying with people's lives and everybody was like "welp, no one records it so it ain't an issue". **** that

[NumberSix]

preferential treatment to halfway make up for the discrimination already in place so two parties can try to be equal? sure. but there is nothing that puts non-whites ahead of white people because they...aren't white. there's a reason white people don't have an NAACP. they've never needed one.

you're missing my point man. I'm not talking about somebody calling me a ****** or something. some old white lady clenching her purse when I walk past or something. I don't give a **** about people's personal racist tendencies. let people hate whomever they want. I don't give a ****. I'm speaking towards people who seem to think that nowadays, because of things like "affirmative action" (without even knowing how it works) or hbcu's that white people have somehow taken a backseat to minorities, which is patently false. being white has never been a disadvantage in this country, and it never will be

for the record, I wasn't even mad at Sterling. ****, half of the other owners probably hang with the same kind of people. I'm more upset at the nba's and others' hypocrisy when it comes to Sterling. he's done way worse shit than this and no one bats an eyelash. this dude was quite literally toying with people's lives and everybody was like "welp, no one records it so it ain't an issue". **** that
The two parties aren't equal. It would go against the principles of fairness to try to force equal outcomes among unequal parties.

Do we try to force "equality" in the NBA? No and we shouldn't. Black people are just better than white people. It's reality. It would be unfair to force the NBA to be 70% white and 13% black strictly for the purpose of proportional "equality".

It's better to let people just earn things on their own merit. If one group ends up being over represented and another group underrepresented, oh well.


Affirmative action = race based preferential treatment. There's no way around it.

[rmt]

what exactly is the great benefit of "diversity" anyway? :confusedshrug:

What it is is that the universities don't want a whole campus filled with the SAME (looking) kind of student. They want it to be representative of what society is. However, it is very rare to see a black with stellar grades/scores/extra-curriculars/etc, and it's all too common to see an Asian with said stellar resume. So when the rare black student even with a lesser resume comes along, the unis knock themselves out to get such a student with offers of FULL rides (not just entrance into the uni).

The problem I see for the country as a whole is that excellence is not rewarded and there's no incentive to excel or strive because diversity trumps all. I wonder how many Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerbergs (who ironically both dropped out of Harvard) are not making it to the top universities because of the current trend of diversity. A brilliant mind can impact/change society in so many ways.

BTW, colleges aren't supposed to JUDGE on the type of extra-curricular that one does. For example, if one student belongs to the Boy Scouts and another to the Klu Klux Klan as long as they both put in similar hours/similar leadership position, etc the college cannot value one over the other. But, how much would I bet that they'd choose the Klu Klux Klan student because Boy Scout students are a dime a dozen - that's diversity for you. I've heard that some are claiming to be trans-gender to up the chance of getting in.

[Sharmer]

There's no pure white or black, its a spectrum, everyone almost got mixed racial backgrounds. This whole debate on race is ridiculous.

[NumberSix]

There's no pure white or black, its a spectrum, everyone almost got mixed racial backgrounds. This whole debate on race is ridiculous.
Yeah, there really is. There are millions of sub-Saharan Africans with no admixture whatsoever.

[Sharmer]

Yeah, there really is. There are millions of sub-Saharan Africans with no admixture whatsoever.

I referring to American populations, all blacks are mixed, so are the whites and Asians.

Chinese have African origins.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200007/15/eng20000715_45573.html

The Sub-Saharan Africans share huge genetic variations, which makes it impossible to define them as one racial group.

[Sharmer]

No such thing as race, we are all have the same origin, more genetic similarities than differences.

http://wupa.wustl.edu/record_archive/1998/10-15-98/articles/races.html

[oarabbus]

Keep the blacks in the zoo where they belong less be honest they smell like burned S hit


:biggums:

[Soundwave]

If Donald Sterling owned a team in a sport where 70% of the athletes were Asian and a large portion of the fan base was also Asian ... yeah sure he would get the boot.

Or even in other franchised businesses ... say he owned a McDonalds in a heavily Asian populated neighbourhood and was caught on tape making similar comments about Asians and it got out to the press... McDonalds would revoke his franchise privileges pretty much immediately and force him to sell his restaurant.

It's a business, and Donald Sterling is bad for business.

[NumberSix]

No such thing as race, we are all have the same origin, more genetic similarities than differences.

http://wupa.wustl.edu/record_archive/1998/10-15-98/articles/races.html
Yeah, there is. All dogs have the same origins too. It doesn't mean there aren't sub-species.

[Soundwave]

Yeah, there is. All dogs have the same origins too. It doesn't mean there aren't sub-species.

The genetic variance in humans is actually very low. Native Africans actually have the most genetic variance between them, the rest of humans don't have much genetic variance. We're not that different from each other at all. And there's no such thing as a human "sub-species" (as much as some would love to think there is).

[NumberSix]

The genetic variance in humans is actually very low. Native Africans actually have the most genetic variance between them, the rest of humans don't have much genetic variance. We're not that different from each other at all. And there's no such thing as a human "sub-species" (as much as some would love to think there is).
With humans, the word we use for subspecies is "race".


As much as some people dont like to admit it, we are just animals like everything else on this planet. The same rules that apply to them apply to us. We're not special.

A Bengal Tiger and a Siberian tiger are nearly identical genetically. We don't refuse to admit that they are different subspecies. Humans are no different.

[Soundwave]

With humans, the word we use for subspecies is "race".


As much as some people dont like to admit it, we are just animals like everything else on this planet. The same rules that apply to them apply to us. We're not special.

A Bengal Tiger and a Siberian tiger are nearly identical genetically. We don't refuse to admit that they are different subspecies. Humans are no different.

Technically these terms are actually wrong scientifically. But if it helps you classify things semantically, have at it. I get what people are trying to say when they use the term "race" eventually if it probably a false descriptor.

Human beings haven't been around long enough to develop that level of variance which would enable the term sub-species.

Humans, in fact, as an "animal" have some of the least amount of genetic variance in the animal kingdom. And you're right, we're not that special.

[NumberSix]

Technically these terms are actually wrong scientifically. But if it helps you classify things semantically, have at it. I get what people are trying to say when they use the term "race" eventually if it probably a false descriptor.

Human beings haven't been around long enough to develop that level of variance which would enable the term sub-species.

Humans, in fact, as an "animal" have some of the least amount of genetic variance in the animal kingdom. And you're right, we're not that special.
Based on?

The problem is you think race means "black" or "white" when in reality, skin color has nothing to do with race.

[Sarcastic]

Race is not a subspecies:facepalm

[UK2K]

You fools honestly think that nothing would happen if Sterling had been caught saying racist shit about Asians? GTFO

And seriously, you muh****as talking shit about blacks and gays getting special treatment, but how many variations of the words '******' and '******' get tossed around here?

Bottom line, there's no place in society for that shit, especially in the work environment, and no reason for any minority to put up with it.

***.

[NumberSix]

Race is not a subspecies:facepalm
Scientific use =/= common use.


In In biological terms, rather than in relation to nomenclature, a polytypic species has two or more subspecies, races, or more generally speaking, populations that need a separate description.

Sorry, but "subspecies" and "race" are merely words to describe subdivisions within larger groups. It's not about calling some people "inferior animals" or anything of that sort.

[305Baller]

Yes. Sterling would get kicked in the nuts by Lin.

[NumberSix]

Yes. Sterling would get kicked in the nuts by Lin.
Why Lin?

[Soundwave]

Scientific use =/= common use.



Sorry, but "subspecies" and "race" are merely words to describe subdivisions within larger groups. It's not about calling some people "inferior animals" or anything of that sort.

Sub-species generally in a scientific sense requires a lot more genetic variance than what humans have.

In 10,000+ years or something when some humans maybe have genetic/tech implants or something ... then yeah sure perhaps the term "sub-species" for might be more relevant.

Though technically we are all "subspecies" of African descent if you want to use that term. It's all arguing semantics though which is the end amounts to jack all.

[NumberSix]

Sub-species generally in a scientific sense requires a lot more genetic variance than what humans have.

In 10,000+ years or something when some humans maybe have genetic/tech implants or something ... then yeah sure perhaps the term "sub-species" for might be more relevant.
Says who? What's the threshold? .5%? 1%? 1.5%?

Go ahead. Let us know.

[Soundwave]

Says who? What's the threshold? .5%? 1%? 1.5%?

Go ahead. Let us know.

Says many people in the scientific community. Human beings don't have very much genetic variance at all between them, some of the least in the animal kingdom.

I don't label a white cat a sub-species of a black cat.

[305Baller]

Why Lin?

:biggums:

[NumberSix]

Says many people in the scientific community. Human beings don't have very much genetic variance at all between them, some of the least in the animal kingdom.

I don't label a white cat a sub-species of a black cat.
As I've already said. Race has nothing to do with color. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what race even is.


Again. What's the threshold for how much difference there has to be. You claim to know, so go ahead and tell us.

Remember, there is only a 4% difference between you and a chimp. That is enough difference to be an entirely different species.

[Sharmer]

With humans, the word we use for subspecies is "race".


As much as some people dont like to admit it, we are just animals like everything else on this planet. The same rules that apply to them apply to us. We're not special.

A Bengal Tiger and a Siberian tiger are nearly identical genetically. We don't refuse to admit that they are different subspecies. Humans are no different.


I don't think you did biology and if you did you would fail.

There are no such thing as human subspecies.

You're just trolling and talking out of your ass.

[Soundwave]

As I've already said. Race has nothing to do with color.

Even so, the genetic variance is extremely low between humans. That's simply a fact.

We're just not that diverse.

[Sharmer]

Sub-species generally in a scientific sense requires a lot more genetic variance than what humans have.

In 10,000+ years or something when some humans maybe have genetic/tech implants or something ... then yeah sure perhaps the term "sub-species" for might be more relevant.

Though technically we are all "subspecies" of African descent if you want to use that term. It's all arguing semantics though which is the end amounts to jack all.


People seem to forget that Asians have African DNA, so do we all.

Race is more a social construct rather than a scientific one.

[NumberSix]

Even so, the genetic variance is extremely low between humans. That's simply a fact.

We're just not that diverse.
So what's the threshold? Stop dodging the question. What IS enough variance?

[NumberSix]

I don't think you did biology and if you did you would fail.

There are no such thing as human subspecies.

You're just trolling and talking out of your ass.
There are exactly 4 actually.

[Sharmer]

As I've already said. Race has nothing to do with color. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what race even is.


Again. What's the threshold for how much difference there has to be. You claim to know, so go ahead and tell us.

Remember, there is only a 4% difference between you and a chimp. That is enough difference to be an entirely different species.

Mammals share similar DNA. This is not new, however 4% is significant , considering that a single gene can determine longevity.

[Soundwave]

So what's the threshold? Stop dodging the question. What IS enough variance?

It would have to be considerably more than it is right now I would say. Human beings like I said have some of the lowest variance between them in the animal kingdom (fact).

Beyond that even the geographical differences we used to have that are basically required to develop the differences apparent in the vast majority of subspecies don't even exist anymore. Humans can migrate and travel and relocate at will now.

These two kittens have genetic differences too, and obviously are visually different, but I think you'd have to reach seriously to call them a different sub-species:

http://www.getupanddosomething.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/108.jpg

When you're stretching it at that point, really you're just getting down to semantics.

[Sharmer]

There are exactly 4 actually.


We are all homo sapiens, what are the other four subspecies.?

:lol

[NumberSix]

We are all homo sapiens, what are the other four subspecies.?

:lol
Neanderthals were Homo sapiens too. We are actually Homo sapiens sapiens to be specific.

[oarabbus]

There are exactly 4 actually.


Do you have sources for this? It definitely seems like there is dispute regarding human subspecies. At the least there isn't a consensus...

[NumberSix]

Do you have sources for this? It definitely seems like there is dispute regarding human subspecies. At the least there isn't a consensus...
There is quite a bit resistance due to political correctness. My stance though is that there is no logical reason why we shouldn't be subject to the same standards for classification that every other animal is.

Anyways, in general there are

Australoid
Caucasoid
Congoid
Mongoloid

[Sharmer]

There is quite a bit resistance due to political correctness. My stance though is that there is no logical reason why we shouldn't be subject to the same standards for classification that every other animal is.

Anyways, in general there are

Australoid
Caucasoid
Congoid
Mongoloid

Sorry wrong, biology does not consider those to be subspecies, all same homo sapiens.

[Soundwave]

There is quite a bit resistance due to political correctness. My stance though is that there is no logical reason why we shouldn't be subject to the same standards for classification that every other animal is.

Anyways, in general there are

Australoid
Caucasoid
Congoid
Mongoloid

Even there though that's not very cut and dry.

Genetically, the most genetic variance is actually between Africans, so why aren't there different variant groups for Africans? It's because visually there isn't as much difference, that's why the above terms of are more frequently thrown around.

Again I wouldn't consider these kittens to be different sub-species, even though the differences between them are likely fairly comparable some use to differentiate between humans:

http://kittensforever.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/kittens4blog1.jpg

[NumberSix]

Sorry wrong, biology does not consider those to be subspecies, all same homo sapiens.
Do you understand what "subspecies" means?

[NumberSix]

Even there though that's not very cut and dry.

Genetically, the most genetic variance is actually between Africans, so why aren't there different variant groups for Africans? It's because visually there isn't as much difference, that's why the above terms of are more frequently thrown around.

Again I wouldn't consider these kittens to be different sub-species, even though the differences between them are likely fairly comparable some use to differentiate between humans:

http://kittensforever.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/kittens4blog1.jpg
There are. :hammerhead:

[Soundwave]

There are. :hammerhead:

Sorry I should rephrase that to say there should be like 10 or 12 different variants for Africans then in that case.

Those qualifications are largely based on Phenotypic differences (in layman's terms -- observable physical differences), which is just a very human way for us to make sense of the fact that we do have physically observable differences between us.

Though really even from an observable level the differences between humans are not even all that remarkable ... look at the phenotypic diversity you can have between just a group of homing pigeons in one park. Humans? Ha. Nothing special. We make a big stink over a whole lot of nothing.

[sammichoffate]

Sadly, Asians probably wouldn't get the same treatment that Blacks get if they were insulted by Sterling. The NBA isn't predominantly Asian, so there's less incentive to investigate compared to the original comments that he made. It would probably amount to a league-wide news story that would disappear in a few weeks, compared to a national news story that will stick around for a few months. Obviously if it was in China or a league that was predominantly more Asian, then there would be a similar uproar. Personally I think it's bs in the US because my ethnicity is Chinese/Viet, but life goes on. Black history just has a more predominant role in US society, history, and politics compared to every other minority group than probably the Native Americans; not much I can argue about that.

[NumberSix]

Sorry I should rephrase that to say there should be like 10 or 12 different variants for Africans then in that.
There is no "should". There is only what there is.

If there were 10 distinguishable groups, we would have 10 classifications, but there aren't.

[MavsSuperFan]

If it was black or jews it would have been the same sentence.

Asians, gays or latinos= fine

Muslims, russians = Freedom of speech

times have changed... gays are also political powerful now.

Seriously, though 75%+ of the workforce of the NBA is black.
there is like 1 asian guy I can think of (Lin).

If the CEO of google or something said something bad about asian's than sure maybe he gets fired, but I think an NBA owner could survive racism against asians.

[Soundwave]

There is no "should". There is only what there is.

If there were 10 distinguishable groups, we would have 10 classifications, but there aren't.

On a genetic level you bet your ass there is a "should" there, there is far more genetic difference between people in Africa then the other sub qualifications there. But we don't have those qualifications because we needed a way to describe the phenotypic differences that people see between themselves ... which really is secondary, genetic diversity is not just phenotypic differences.


And the proof is in the pudding, we as humans place importance on phenotypic differences, but we don't do the same for cats, or horses, or birds, etc. etc. etc. etc. a black cat is not labelled as a sub-species of a white cat for example, the threshold for genetic variance needs to be much higher ... and why? Because we're far more impartial in that case and just look at the genetics.

[NumberSix]

On a genetic level you bet your ass there is a "should" there, there is far more genetic difference between people in Africa then the other sub qualifications there. But we don't have those qualifications because we needed a way to describe the phenotypic differences that people see between themselves ... which really is secondary, genetic diversity is not just phenotypic differences.

And the proof is in the pudding, we as humans place importance on phenotypic differences, but we don't do the same for cats, or horses, or birds, etc. etc. etc. etc. a black cat is not labelled as a sub-species of a white cat for example, the threshold for genetic variance needs to be much higher ... and why? Because we're far more impartial in that case and just look at the genetics.
Nobody is talking about phenotypes. That has nothing to do with racial classification.

I'm sorry, but it's evident that you don't even understand what were talking about.

Shut the fcuk about about the black and white cats already. I've already told you race has nothing to do with color. If you find a skeleton of a cat, you have no idea what color it was. We're NOT talking about fcuking color. :hammerhead:

If you find a Caucasoid skeleton, it might have been a white person, it might have been black, it might have been brown. It doesn't matter.

[Soundwave]

Nobody is talking about phenotypes. That has nothing to do with racial classification.

I'm sorry, but it's evident that you don't even understand what were talking about.

Shut the fcuk about about the black and white cats already. I've already told you race has nothing to do with color. If you find a skeleton of a cat, you have no idea what color it was. We're NOT talking about fcuking color. :hammerhead:

If you find a Caucasoid skeleton, it might have been a white person, it might have been black, it might have been brown. It doesn't matter.

Caucasoid, Mongolid, etc. are phenotypic classifications and they are very broad ones at that. They are not the be all, end all of anything and were never intended to be, they are man made classifications largely because we needed some kind of label to classify phenotypic diversity between humans.

DNA is the cold hard truth and the fact is humans don't have very much variance between them at all and what real DNA based variance there is is mostly within African natives. Fact.

[NumberSix]

Caucasoid, Mongolid, etc. are phenotypic classifications
Yeah...... There not.

[Soundwave]

Yeah...... There not.

Yes they are. Sorry. And DNA diversity between humans is nothing special.

[NumberSix]

Yes they are. Sorry. And DNA diversity between humans is nothing special.
Let me ask you something....


When we find a skeleton that is thousands of years old, we know what race the person was. How do we know that?

[Soundwave]

Let me ask you something....


When we find a skeleton that is thousands of years old, we know what race the person was. How do we know that?

We don't always know and a few thousand years is a piss in the ocean of DNA.

[NumberSix]

We don't always know and a few thousand years is a piss in the ocean of DNA.
Stop dodging.

How do we look at a skeleton and know what race it is?

[Soundwave]

Stop dodging.

How do we look at a skeleton and know what race it is?

Through tiny genetic differences which are expressed phenotypically. Just like they could probably look at the cats above and and also do the same thing. But I don't classify one as a different subspecies from another. If you want to, great, go ahead, have at it. These are largely terms and the semantics of such are not agreed upon by every scientist. Some people use the term race, others disagree on that terminology. The end fact is all human DNA descends from east Africa and the variance in it is hardly remarkable in any way.

To the OP's point (getting the damn thread back on topic), Sterling can say whatever he wants, and everyone else is free to react to that however they want.

If I own a McDonalds in a heavily Asian populated area, like say Chinatown in Los Angeles and I make disparaging remarks about Asians that end up on the 6 o' clock news, and now people are boycotting my restaurant, you bet your ass McDonalds would revoke my franchise from me in short order. I can argue freedom of speech all I want, that has nothing to do with it.

I don't see the NBA's position as really being all that different.

[mikek85]

Through tiny genetic differences which are expressed phenotypically. Just like they could probably look at the cats above and and also do the same thing. But I don't classify one as a different subspecies from another. If you want to, great, go ahead, have at it. The end fact is all human DNA descends from Africa and the variance in it is hardly remarkable in any way.

To the OP's point (getting the damn thread back on topic), Sterling can say whatever he wants, and everyone else is free to react to that however they want.

If I own a McDonalds in a heavily Asian populated area, like say Chinatown in Los Angeles and I make disparaging remarks about Asians that end up on the 6 o' clock, you bet your ass McDonalds would revoke my franchise from me in short order.


You suck at science holy sh1t

[NumberSix]

Through tiny genetic differences which are expressed phenotypically. Just like they could probably look at the cats above and and also do the same thing. But I don't classify one as a different subspecies from another. If you want to, great, go ahead, have at it.

To the OP's point (getting the damn thread back on topic), Sterling can say whatever he wants, and everyone else is free to react to that however they want.

If I own a McDonalds in a heavily Asian populated area, like say Chinatown in Los Angeles and I make disparaging remarks about Asians that end up on the 6 o' clock, you bet your ass McDonalds would revoke my franchise from me in short order.
Right. You could look at a tiger skeleton and a lion skeleton. They're nearly identical. We don't go through this foolish charade of pretending it's not appropriate to have separate classifications for them though. We understand that it's fine to classify them without any insinuation that one is inferior and one is superior. We're not tainted with any paranoia about backlash for honest attempts to understand cats.

[Soundwave]

Right. You could look at a tiger skeleton and a lion skeleton. They're nearly identical. We don't go through this foolish charade of pretending it's not appropriate to have separate classifications for them though. We understand that it's fine to classify them without any insinuation that one is inferior and one is superior. We're not tainted with any paranoia about backlash for honest attempts to understand cats.

The difference between a lion and tiger is not the same as a Caucosoid or Monogolid classification.

DNA tells the difference and the FACT is human diversity via DNA is nothing remarkable or special, whereas the DNA between a lion and a tiger is considerably different (as compared to human DNA variances anyway).

As humans we don't even have the factor of environmental isolation between groups anymore. We are among the least genetically diverse species on the planet. We make a big fcuking stink about a whole lot of nothing.

And yes I think it makes sense that modern society is sensitive towards labels and classifications because we as a species are dumb enough to kill off millions of our kin at a time in war/genocide situations based on superficial differences.

[sportjames23]

Soundwave droppin' knowledge. :cheers:

[NumberSix]

Soundwave droppin' knowledge. :cheers:
He's actually not at all. He's bouncing back and forth between...

A) there are no races
B) there should be 10-12 African races
C) it's not definitive
D) it makes sense, but it doesn't matter

[IamRAMBO24]

Nobody is talking about phenotypes. That has nothing to do with racial classification.


Phenotype has everything to do racial classification.:facepalm

I agree with Soundwave that we are all descendents of Africa (middle eastern area to be more precise), but our genetic diversification has made us very different from one another.

Comparing an asian to a white or black person is like comparing a chicken to a cow. Phenotypes made our genetic configuration, but it is night and day when you dig deeper and look at characteristics that make up each individual race.

[IamRAMBO24]

You suck at science holy sh1t

F*ck off loser. I hate this sh*t. Y'know some idiot comes in and claims someone doesn't know something but fails to explain or offer a rebuttal as to why that person doesn't know it.

As someone who knows the ins and outs of the genome project, Soundwave is perfectly versed in genetics; Numbersix on the other hand. :facepalm

[NumberSix]

Phenotype has everything to do racial classification.:facepalm

I agree with Soundwave that we are all descendents of Africa (middle eastern area to be more precise), but our genetic diversification has made us very different from one another.

Comparing an asian to a white or black person is like comparing a chicken to a cow. Phenotypes made our genetic configuration, but it is night and day when you dig deeper and look at characteristics that make up each individual race.
No, you don't. It's a FACT. It's not something to be agreed or disagreed upon.

[NumberSix]

F*ck off loser. I hate this sh*t. Y'know some idiot comes in and claims someone doesn't know something but fails to explain or offer a rebuttal as to why that person doesn't know it.
But then.........


As someone who knows the ins and outs of the genome project, Soundwave is perfectly versed in genetics; Numbersix on the other hand. :facepalm
So this is the "correct" way of doing things, huh?

"Soundwave has the same opinion that I do, therefore Soundwave is right. NumberSix's opinion is different than mine, therefore NumberSix doesn't know what he's talking about. No explanations needed".



Logic is obviously your strong suit.

[Kidbasketball20]

Sadly, Asians probably wouldn't get the same treatment that Blacks get if they were insulted by Sterling. The NBA isn't predominantly Asian, so there's less incentive to investigate compared to the original comments that he made. It would probably amount to a league-wide news story that would disappear in a few weeks, compared to a national news story that will stick around for a few months. Obviously if it was in China or a league that was predominantly more Asian, then there would be a similar uproar. Personally I think it's bs in the US because my ethnicity is Chinese/Viet, but life goes on. Black history just has a more predominant role in US society, history, and politics compared to every other minority group than probably the Native Americans; not much I can argue about that.

aka Double Standard

[TheBigVeto]

The answer is no.


At most he'd get a fine like NBA players do for using homophobic slurs during the game.



I know most of the league is black, but there is a major double standard when you think about if he had said the same thing about Asians/Latinos etc..

This is the honest truth.

[Kidbasketball20]

Truth