If the Heat fail to three-peat, what does that do for Lebron all time rank?

[sportjames23]

What if he can't do what Kobe did? Does he fall down a notch or two, or stay the same?

[ArbitraryWater]

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[russwest0]

come on man, he has 20 less series wins vs 50 win teams and is 3 rings behind Kobe. It will move him ahead of a few people but he's got a long way to go before catching Kobe on the all time lists. That 2011 chokejob alone (biggest chokejob of all time in the NBA) makes it pretty much impossible.

[navy]

He already did what Kobe did.

Lose in the Finals then win the next two.

[Fudge]

I think i'll even put Hakeem back ahead of him if he fails to do so. Pretty much had a bye in the first round and they should be taking care of Brooklyn in 5 or 6, and they have the Spurs' number, or whoever comes out West. Should be a cakewalk for them this year.

[K Xerxes]

He's already ahead of Kobe IMO. Any change in his all time ranking depends on how he performs.

[SilkkTheShocker]

What if he can't do what Kobe did? Does he fall down a notch or two, or stay the same?

He already did what Kobe did. Do you mean do what Shaq did and win 3 straight Finals MVPs? He is top 10 no matter what. There weren't 5 players better in NBA history than him, let alone 10.

[ArbitraryWater]

I think i'll even put Hakeem back ahead of him if he fails to do so. Pretty much had a bye in the first round and they should be taking care of Brooklyn in 5 or 6, and they have the Spurs' number, or whoever comes out West. Should be a cakewalk for them this year.

You put Bird back a few notch too for loosing in 1987?

I mean, pretty much a first round bye against the 40-42 Bulls, and they had the "Lakers' number", or whoever came out the West.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I think i'll even put Hakeem back ahead of him if he fails to do so. Pretty much had a bye in the first round and they should be taking care of Brooklyn in 5 or 6, and they have the Spurs' number, or whoever comes out West. Should be a cakewalk for them this year.

Hakeem's 9 first round exits get swept under the rug too much.

[Mass Debator]

I rank Lebron below Duncan but will put him over him once he wins another FMVP.

[ArbitraryWater]

He's already ahead of Kobe IMO. Any change in his all time ranking depends on how he performs.

This and only this. Could care less about him loosing if he plays brilliantly... Winning against the Spurs/Thunder aint no damn guarantee, for any team...

[sportjames23]

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Why are you so upset, my friend? You must learn to channel your rage. :no:

[moe94]

Why are you so upset, my friend? You must learn to channel your rage. :no:

Because you said "failed to do what Kobe did" as if Kobe was even the best player on his 3peat.

[sportjames23]

He already did what Kobe did. Do you mean do what Shaq did and win 3 straight Finals MVPs? He is top 10 no matter what. There weren't 5 players better in NBA history than him, let alone 10.

Why must you put down Kobe's contributions to the Lakers' three-peat? Did the Black Mamba kick your dog?

Be water, my friend.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Why must you put down Kobe's contributions to the Lakers' three-peat? Did the Black Mamba kick your dog?

Be water, my friend.

You're trying too hard, Jamal.

[sportjames23]

Because you said "failed to do what Kobe did" as if Kobe was even the best player on his 3peat.


But Kobe was a major piece of the Lakers' three-peat. Did you not see his play against the Spurs, the biggest challenge to the Lakers back then?

Focus your anger, grasshopper.

[sportjames23]

You're trying too hard, Jamal.


I know not who this 'Jamal' is, my racist friend. Is he someone who comes to visit you in the trailer park?

[I<3NBA]

Kobe never three-peated. that was Shaq all the way.

[sportjames23]

Kobe never three-peated. that was Shaq all the way.


I'm going to let Kobe fans counter this. And I will pray that they have mercy on your soul.

[moe94]

But Kobe was a major piece of the Lakers' three-peat. Did you not see his play against the Spurs, the biggest challenge to the Lakers back then?

Focus your anger, grasshopper.

No one is angry. You're just thrusting shit onto Kobe and then implying if LeBron doesn't do the same that he can't be on his level. It makes no sense.

[BoutPractice]

Er... it's not the way it works. You don't fault players, or teams, for "failing to three-peat". You praise them if they do three-peat for accomplishing something incredibly difficult and rare in NBA history.

[sportjames23]

No one is angry. You're just thrusting shit onto Kobe and then implying if LeBron doesn't do the same that he can't be on his level. It makes no sense.

moe, my friend--Kobe was essentially 1b to Shaq's 1a. He was just about as big a reason those Lakers' won three in a row. Do not let your loyalty to Lebron blind you to this fact.

Let go of your anger. It only leads to the Dark Side.

[sportjames23]

Er... it's not the way it works. You don't fault players, or teams, for "failing to three-peat". You praise them if they do three-peat for accomplishing something incredibly difficult and rare in NBA history.


Look, my friend, we're not talking bout practice. We're talking becoming only the fourth franchise to three-peat. If Lebron fails to lead his team to that, will it damage his legacy?

Ponder that and pm me your thoughts.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol at sportsjames getting ethered, and now straight resorts to trolling with the PM thing.... go ahead and call everyone "friend" too...

Ay OP, Pippen 3-peated... What does that tell you? Pip > Bran?

Also,
We're talking becoming only the fourth franchise to three-peat. If Lebron fails to lead his team to that, will it damage his legacy?

.......... :banghead:

If he 3-peats, but fails to 4-peat next year, will his legacy be forever tarnished and his spot outside the top 10 safe once and for all?

[Legends66NBA7]

If Lebron fails to lead his team to that, will it damage his legacy?

Ponder that and pm me your thoughts.

LeBron would have only "failed" to lead his team if he didn't produce at a high level or even at his normal level which 27/7/7 range. His legacy would only take a "hit" if he had another showing like he did in the 07 or 11 Finals, or even potentially worse. I don't see that happening, though, that he plays THAT bad.

If the Heat don't become the 4th team to 3 peat, I guess settling for being the 6th team to win back to back should suffice. Their legacy of being a top 10 NBA franchise of all-time at worst is in check.

[sportjames23]

Lol at sportsjames getting ethered, and now straight resorts to trolling with the PM thing.... go ahead and call everyone "friend" too...

Ay OP, Pippen 3-peated... What does that tell you? Pip > Bran?

Also,

.......... :banghead:

If he 3-peats, but fails to 4-peat next year, will his legacy be forever tarnished and his spot outside the top 10 safe once and for all?


You are so frustrated. You have my sympathies on your anger management issues. Perhaps meditation will help.

#prayforArbitraryWater
#hissoulburnsforLebron

[Marlo_Stanfield]

thread started by a pschotic jordan maniac and hijacked by retarded Kobetards and Durstans.
what a joke

[sportjames23]

LeBron would have only "failed" to lead his team if he didn't produce at a high level or even at his normal level which 27/7/7 range. His legacy would only take a "hit" if he had another showing like he did in the 07 or 11 Finals, or even potentially worse. I don't see that happening, though, that he plays THAT bad.

If the Heat don't become the 4th team to 3 peat, I guess settling for being the 6th team to win back to back should suffice. Their legacy of being a top 10 NBA franchise of all-time at worst is in check.


Thank you for this excellent answer. :cheers:

[sportjames23]

thread started by a pschotic jordan maniac and hijacked by retarded Kobetards and Durstans.
what a joke


And now the third angriest Lebrontite enters the fray (third to ArbitraryWater and Silkk).

Mayhaps you should purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka to purge yourself of this rage.

[Hey Yo]

He already did what Kobe did.

Lose in the Finals then win the next two.
Actually there is a slight difference. It was still Wade's team in 2011. Then he realized he needed to take a back seat to LeBron the season after and handed over the reigns.

It was definitely Kobe's team 2008 -10. Which leaves both LeBron and Kobe 2-1 all time in the finals.

[20Four]

Silk is always negative, I dont get why.....nikka comes off as a negative mutha fvcker, maybe hes unsatisfied with his burger flipping job and couldn't reach his goals in life so he takes it out on this forum, you ok silk? Need lebrons d|ck in yo mouth?

[sportjames23]

20Four spitting nothing but truth. :cheers:

[Quizno]

lol kobe haters are always like "shaq carried kobe!!! kobe was just a role player!!! any other player could have stepped in for kobe and they would have three peated!!" and then the kobe stans are like "kobe carried shaq, he was the best player on the team, he was the closer" etc.

people who say either of those things straight up did not watch basketball back then and just look up old game box scores on bball-reference or some shit. if you watched back then, you know it was KOBE AND SHAQ. they were a duo, and they were incredible. most dynamic 1-2 punch in NBA history and they were dominant together. shaq was the most dominant player on the team, but kobe was far from a role player. he was arguably the second best player in the league. the things he used to do to the kings and spurs in the playoffs :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

pretty sure these weirdos silk the shocker and arbitrary water (who spend way too much time on a message board talking down on players...seriously guys, wtf? prolly more than half your posts focus on dissing players lmao) didnt watch ball back then

[20Four]

20Four spitting nothing but truth. :cheers:
Doesnt it seem that way?

[ArbitraryWater]

20Four spitting nothing but ***. :cheers:


Doesnt it seem that way?

sure does

[20Four]

fixed for accuracy



sure does
If I spit...you must swallow then....how does lebrons jizz taste?

[dc_chilling]

Regardless of whether Lebron wins or not; if he simply makes the finals again it would be pretty impressive.

If he makes the finals again that will be 5 finals appearances in 11 seasons. If you discount his first year, where he was the equivalent of a college freshman, Lebron reaches the finals on average, once every two years. That's pretty remarkable given that he was essentially drafted to a d-league squad and wasted 7 years of his career there.

Kobe is great in his own right. However, it's overlooked that Lebron has abused him head to head, and when given competent teammates like Kobe has had the luxury of having for his whole career, has reached the finals every year. Accompany that by Lebron's statistical dominance over Kobe and the obvious physical advantages he has over Kobe, and I think it's a no brainer that he ranks above Kobe on any all time list.

[dc_chilling]

lol kobe haters are always like "shaq carried kobe!!! kobe was just a role player!!! any other player could have stepped in for kobe and they would have three peated!!" and then the kobe stans are like "kobe carried shaq, he was the best player on the team, he was the closer" etc.

people who say either of those things straight up did not watch basketball back then and just look up old game box scores on bball-reference or some shit. if you watched back then, you know it was KOBE AND SHAQ. they were a duo, and they were incredible. most dynamic 1-2 punch in NBA history and they were dominant together. shaq was the most dominant player on the team, but kobe was far from a role player. he was arguably the second best player in the league. the things he used to do to the kings and spurs in the playoffs :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

pretty sure these weirdos silk the shocker and arbitrary water (who spend way too much time on a message board talking down on players...seriously guys, wtf? prolly more than half your posts focus on dissing players lmao) didnt watch ball back then

I completely agree about Kobe. He was one of the greatest players of all time, and was incredible throughout those three peats.

He also remains the funnest person to watch when he gets it going. Those streaks he had of 40 point games and 50 point games were just sick. KD may be the more efficient scorer, but nobody got buckets like Kobe when he got rolling.

[Fudge]

If I spit...you must swallow then....how does lebrons jizz taste?
:oldlol:

Give it up Arbitrary, you set yourself up for this one.

[20Four]

:oldlol:

Give it up Arbitrary, you set yourself up for this one.
He gave up....nikka is shook :roll: :roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Pippen 3 peated twice. Pippen > Kobe

[knicksman]

he never was an all time great unless theres a ranking for betas only

[Deuce Bigalow]

He already did what Kobe did. Do you mean do what Shaq did and win 3 straight Finals MVPs? He is top 10 no matter what. There weren't 5 players better in NBA history than him, let alone 10.
MJ
Russ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Wilt
West
Hakeem

[red1]

MJ
Russ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Wilt
West
Hakeem
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[Marlo_Stanfield]

He gave up....nikka is shook :roll: :roll:
dat avy is still killing me over here:roll: :roll: :applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

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Kobe: 5 rings without teaming up

Bran: 2 rings after teaming up (1 series win vs 50-win playoff team before D-Wade/Bosh colusion)

Pretty easy choice.

[dc_chilling]

MJ
Russ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Wilt
West
Hakeem

How anyone can think Jerry West is better than Lebron is beyond me.

People talk about Lebron not being clutch, "Mr.Clutch" won 1 ring in 10 attempts.

:facepalm

[coin24]

Kobe: 5 rings without teaming up

Bran: 2 rings after teaming up (1 series win vs 50-win playoff team before D-Wade/Bosh colusion)

Pretty easy choice.

:applause: :applause: :applause:


If bran loses this year with the minimal competition he moves back out of the top 20..

[Deuce Bigalow]

How anyone can think Jerry West is better than Lebron is beyond me.

People talk about Leborn not being clutch, "Mr.Clutch" won 1 ring in 10 attempts.

:facepalm
Go look up both of their finals stats in their primes and then get back to me. Better yet, post their series stats.

How is West clutch? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273368

[red1]

Kobe: 5 rings without teaming up

Bran: 2 rings after teaming up (1 series win vs 50-win playoff team before D-Wade/Bosh colusion)

Pretty easy choice.
Kobe seems like a cooler guy IRL I'll give you that. When it comes to this basketball thing the balding diva's got him beat

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[dc_chilling]

Go look up both of their finals stats in their primes and then get back to me. Better yet, post their series stats.

How is West clutch? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273368

Lol look up their competition, era, and pace and get back to me.

If you think you could take West at his prime, put him into the current NBA, and he would be more dominant than Lebron; there is no hope for you. As an extension of that argument, by being better than Lebron, you are acknowledging that he would be better than everyone else in the league today as well.

Some people...:banghead:

[Legends66NBA7]

If bran loses this year with the minimal competition he moves back out of the top 20

He's never leaving any arbitrary Top 20 list.

[dc_chilling]

Kobe seems like a cooler guy IRL I'll give you that. When it comes to this basketball thing the balding diva's got him beat

http://nbanewssource.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/a0cf0f1ffd84b82bf342377f86272486_large.png

That ether :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Warfan]

Did OP seriously say what Kobe did? Kobe was great in 01 and very good in 02. The first ring he did jack in the finals besides game 4, and had a good series against sacramento and had 2/3 good games against portland. He was basically a bit worse than 12' Wade.

The Pacers seem to be playing better so if Miami beat Indiana and he has a similar series to last years (something like 30/9/5), and goes on and has a great finals series he'll probably move up a few spots. If he plays well and they still lose to san antonio/OKC i doubt he really moves anywhere, but if he underperforms or has another choke job he might move down a bit.

[Legends66NBA7]

Lol look up their competition, era, and pace and get back to me.

James is better than West in what they did in their respective eras, but West's competition is nothing to "lol" at. And what about the pace ? When has playing more minutes and a faster game ever been a negative ?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lol look up their competition, era, and pace and get back to me.

If you think you could take West at his prime, put him into the current NBA, and he would be more dominant than Lebron; there is no hope for you. As an extension of that argument, by being better than Lebron, you are acknowledging that he would be better than everyone else in the league today as well.

Some people...:banghead:
His legacy is greater, so is Bill Russell's. Do I think Bill Russell would be the player he was then today? Hell no, but it's an alltime ranking you clown.

Here's Bran's first 2 finals in his prime

22/7/7 on 36% (6 t/o)
18/7/7 on 48% (3 ppg 4th quarters)

West had a career finals average of over 30/5/5, Bran never averaged that in one finals series.

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[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe seems like a cooler guy IRL I'll give you that. When it comes to this basketball thing the balding diva's got him beat

http://nbanewssource.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/a0cf0f1ffd84b82bf342377f86272486_large.png
Bran's good at putting up numbers no doubt. Better numbers than Kobe. If I want to win? Give me Kobe, like Larry Bird said.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Deuce still can't get over LeBron being better than Kobe ever was :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Deuce still can't get over LeBron being better than Kobe ever was :oldlol:
I never thought Bran was ever as good as a prime/peak Kobe.

[red1]

Bran's good at putting up numbers no doubt. Better numbers than Kobe. If I want to win? Give me Kobe, like Larry Bird said.
I admire the loyalty but at some point you are going to have to acknowledge reality.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I never thought Bran was ever as good as a prime/peak Kobe.

You can think whatever you want. History will still remember LeBron as being a better player.

[dc_chilling]

His legacy is greater, so is Bill Russell's. Do I think Bill Russell would be the player he was then today? Hell no, but it's an alltime ranking you clown.

Here's Bran's first 2 finals in his prime

22/7/7 on 36% (6 t/o)
18/7/7 on 48% (3 ppg 4th quarters)

West had a career finals average of over 30/5/5, Bran never averaged that in one finals series.

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OK, so I guess your ranking system has nothing to do with how good players actually were. Fair enough.

I guess Asafa Powell isn't as good of a sprinter as Jesse Owens then too. I mean Jesse won gold and is a national hero, whereas Powell couldn't even medal individually at the Olympics. Lets just throw out the fact that Powell is much faster than Owens and had he been in the Olympics when Owens ran, he would have won by 10 meters.

I rank players based on how good they are, not what they achieved against lesser competition.

Next.

[dc_chilling]

His legacy is greater, so is Bill Russell's. Do I think Bill Russell would be the player he was then today? Hell no, but it's an alltime ranking you clown.

Here's Bran's first 2 finals in his prime

22/7/7 on 36% (6 t/o)
18/7/7 on 48% (3 ppg 4th quarters)

West had a career finals average of over 30/5/5, Bran never averaged that in one finals series.

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Also, I guess we are counting the finals in 07' his "prime" now. I guess all players are in their prime by their senior year of college.

By your definition, MJ himself was swept out of the first round of the playoffs in the first three seasons of his "prime". Actually, he won one game. My bad. :facepalm

[kamil]

One does not simply climb all time ranks after colluding.

[knicksman]

Kobe seems like a cooler guy IRL I'll give you that. When it comes to this basketball thing the balding diva's got him beat

http://nbanewssource.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/a0cf0f1ffd84b82bf342377f86272486_large.png

still doesnt reflect in impact

bran +/- 7.3
kobe +/- 8.3

[knicksman]

Bran's good at putting up numbers no doubt. Better numbers than Kobe. If I want to win? Give me Kobe, like Larry Bird said.

they have no idea how to judge a player so they follow what the media says or the better stats