BREAKING: Cavaliers Fire Mike Brown

[Fudge]

David Griffin has been named General Manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers and Mike Brown has been released as Head Coach, the team announced today. Griffin had been acting General Manager since February 6th, 2014. Brown was hired as Head Coach on April 24th, 2013.

Read more at http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=15880#5Lbp7TE8UZrLo0KP.99


Wow. Dude's getting fcuked over. Don't expect him getting hired for a while.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

everyone getting fired but mcfail:lol :lol

[Legends66NBA7]

He should have never gotten hired again after the last couple of his tenures.

[AnaheimLakers24]

cavaliers stay shit. retarded franchise. i wonder if gilbert lets his retarded kid make the decisions :lol

[Fudge]

cavaliers stay shit. retarded franchise. i wonder if gilbert lets his retarded kid make the decisions :lol
Wow. :biggums:

[305Baller]

****ing again?!? Wtf. Give the guy some time lol

They want mark jacko

[Smook A.]

Why the hell did they even hire that Mr.Potato Head looking motherf*cker? Did they not know how bad of a coach he was?

[DukeDelonte13]

dumb f*cking move.


Cleveland Browns 2.0.



gilbert you DUMB F*CK!

[KobesFinger]

They also name David Griffin GM (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/465934116655878145)

[Smook A.]

cavaliers stay shit. retarded franchise. i wonder if gilbert lets his retarded kid make the decisions :lol
:biggums:

That's messed up

[NumberSix]

Lol. Fcuking Cavs.

:roll:
:roll:
:roll:

[Le Shaqtus]

I'm sure nobody saw this coming.

[Wavves]

What a waste of a whole season...

[DukeDelonte13]

WHAT A BUNCH OF JACKASSES

can't they look at that mess of a franchise in Berea and F*CKING LEARN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS when you install a new coach every other season?

[DukeDelonte13]

What a waste of a whole season...


yeah it was a huge f*cking waste. Thanks DAN GILBERT you ASSH*LE.

[sketchy]

What shocking and heartbreaking news. Mike Brown is one of the league's premier coaches. This is disrespectful. An absolute travesty! An outrage!

...

lel jk.

[Denitron]

What a franchise. Such stability. LeBron will be dying to return in no time :bowdown:

[DukeDelonte13]

Successful franchises have CONSISTENCY.

going from dead last to middle of the pack in defense is progress.


having kyrie actually trying on defense is progress.


turning Dion Waiters from a sh*thead to a respected teammate is progress.

[PAOK]

they should get d'antoni... they will continue to suck obviously, but at least they'll be fun to watch

[DukeDelonte13]

What a franchise. Such stability. LeBron will be dying to return in no time :bowdown:


Just call them the Sacramento Cavs now. No chance in being meanigful for another few years. Watch us fire this new retread after two seasons.

:mad: :mad: :mad:


UN-F*CKING-BELIEVABLE.

[sketchy]

Successful franchises have CONSISTENCY.

going from dead last to middle of the pack in defense is progress.


having kyrie actually trying on defense is progress.


turning Dion Waiters from a sh*thead to a respected teammate is progress.
That is true actually. It just didn't surprise me at all that they fired him.

[DukeDelonte13]

on top of them making this decision, they had to WAIT WITH THEIR THUMBS UP THEIR ASSES TO DO IT.

[LoPro4u2c]

Didn't they do this already? Firing a coach into his first year? Oh wait, that's the Cleveland Browns. :lol

[russwest0]

how stupid do you have to be to fire a guy, rehire him, and then fire him again

[Fudge]

Successful franchises have CONSISTENCY.

going from dead last to middle of the pack in defense is progress.


having kyrie actually trying on defense is progress.


turning Dion Waiters from a sh*thead to a respected teammate is progress.
:applause:

[Uncle Drew]

Sigh.

[TwentyThree]

Should have kept Byron Scott.

I don't know how to feel about this firing just yet: given that Griffin is now the GM it looks like he's going to build a team he believes in, starting with the coaching staff, and apparently he didn't believe in Mike Brown. (or maybe just felt he didn't fit the players we have, I don't think he's a bad coach)

[Smook A.]

I'll LMFAO if Lakers hire him :lol

[Burgz V2]

you know what, I'm glad LeBron left that franchise. Bunch of morons in that front office. Gilbert looking more like the new Dolan each day.

and to think, people actually believe LeBron will return to them in FA.

[DukeDelonte13]

how stupid do you have to be to fire a guy, rehire him, and then fire him again


oh we got Dan Gilbert taking advice from BASKETBALL SUPERSAGE DAVID GRIFFIN.

Who? Oh yeah that guy WHO HASN'T DONE F*CKING SH*T IN THIS LEAGUE.

F*ck it, right? Griffin will be gone in a yeah and a half.

[Fudge]

I'll LMFAO if Lakers hire him :lol
:roll:

[DukeDelonte13]

you know what, I'm glad LeBron left that franchise. Bunch of morons in that front office. Gilbert looking more like the new Dolan each day.

and to think, people actually believe LeBron will return to them in FA.


at least they've won a playoff series.

[Burgz V2]

Should have kept Byron Scott.

I don't know how to feel about this firing just yet: given that Griffin is now the GM it looks like he's going to build a team he believes in, starting with the coaching staff, and apparently he didn't believe in Mike Brown. (or maybe just felt he didn't fit the players we have, I don't think he's a bad coach)

someone must be interested in the job. Probably wants a deal in place so the new coach can have a say on their lottery pick.

[Burgz V2]

at least they've won a playoff series.

if you're referring to the raps, you look really stupid right now.

Google is your friend.

[DukeDelonte13]

I've never been more disgusted with the cavs and Dan Gilbert.

Go choke on David F*cking Griffin's d*ck you motherf*cker.

[TwentyThree]

I also hope we're hiring somebody that's actually good, so hopefully we stay away from D'Antoni and Mark Jackson

EDIT: and no George Karl either

[jzek]

Back to the Lakers! :bowdown:

[DeuceWallaces]

:oldlol:

[LBJMVP]

mistake to hire him again in the first place, always sucks to get fired but he needed to go.

please hire mark jackson, i think he would do great with this team.

[Uncle Drew]

Adrian Wojnarowski
David Griffin comes out of the Suns system and wants to play faster, shoot more 3-pointers. Mike Brown was always ex-GM Chris Grant's guy.

Meh.

[DukeDelonte13]

if you're referring to the raps, you look really stupid right now.

Google is your friend.



who cares they still suck and are historically worse then the cavs

[Jameerthefear]

cavs :oldlol:

[Burgz V2]

Adrian Wojnarowski
David Griffin comes out of the Suns system and wants to play faster, shoot more 3-pointers. Mike Brown was always ex-GM Chris Grant's guy.

Meh.

D'Antoni to CLE??? let the rumours swirl???

[Fudge]

Adrian Wojnarowski
David Griffin comes out of the Suns system and wants to play faster, shoot more 3-pointers. Mike Brown was always ex-GM Chris Grant's guy.

Meh.
Inb4 they hire Antoni. :facepalm

[-Lebron23-]

Enter Mark Jackson

[BlackVVaves]

Successful franchises have CONSISTENCY.

going from dead last to middle of the pack in defense is progress.


having kyrie actually trying on defense is progress.


turning Dion Waiters from a sh*thead to a respected teammate is progress.

I feel the same way.

Impatient organizations make brash decisions that consistently mar them in inconsistency.

The Cavs have been an embarrassment since Bron left. And most of it isn't even related to a lack of talent. No, it's self-inflicted wounds. Poor decision making, poor personnel management, lack of cohesive organizational vision, which lends to the dysfunctional nature of their locker room.

Just a joke. Interested to hear someone defend this early firing.

[russwest0]

I'll LMFAO if Lakers hire him :lol

Just to get fired again? Shit, I hope it happens.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Kobe-Bryant-Stares-Down-Coach-Mike-Brown-Lakers-Jazz-Game.gif

[DukeDelonte13]

Adrian Wojnarowski
David Griffin comes out of the Suns system and wants to play faster, shoot more 3-pointers. Mike Brown was always ex-GM Chris Grant's guy.

Meh.


cause the PHX suns were a real example of winning basketball :hammerhead:

Defense? F*ck that. winning teams don't need to play it apparently.

[Xiao Yao You]

I'm afraid he just became a candidate in Utah with his SA background. :no:

[imnew09]

In before lakers hire Mike brown

[Uncle Drew]

Marc Stein ✔ @ESPNSteinLine
Question sure to be asked: How much consideration will Mike D'Antoni/Vinny Del Negro get in Cleveland after working w/David Griffin in PHX

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Jameerthefear]

Anyone who blames Lebron now is just being ridiculous. This franchise has shown time and time again that they cannot get it done. It's ****ing embarrassing.

[Fudge]

Marc Stein ✔ @ESPNSteinLine
Question sure to be asked: How much consideration will Mike D'Antoni/Vinny Del Negro get in Cleveland after working w/David Griffin in PHX

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
:facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

cavaliers stay shit. retarded franchise. i wonder if gilbert lets his retarded kid make the decisions :lol


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:oldlol:

[Legends66NBA7]

who cares they still suck and are historically worse then the cavs

Both suck.

The Cavs would be historically better because they have been in the league longer.

[Burgz V2]

who cares they still suck and are historically worse then the cavs

the butthurt is strong with you.

definitely a Cavs fan.

[DukeDelonte13]

F*ck this team.


If Dan Gilbert's goal is to have the cavs leave Cleveland he is succeeding.

He's well on his way to turning us into the Sacramento Cavs. New season, new coach and gm. :facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

In before Cavs fans blame LeBron :lol

[DukeDelonte13]

Anyone who blames Lebron now is just being ridiculous. This franchise has shown time and time again that they cannot get it done. It's ****ing embarrassing.


now we got JAMEER TALKING SH*T! (shaq +howard)


F*CK YOU DAN GILBERT.

[PJR]

LeBron's decision gets more and more validation every year.

No stability or structure within that organization. And it all starts at the top(Gilbert is a lunatic). LeBron probably appreciates the Heat organization more and more each day.

[Jameerthefear]

now we got JAMEER TALKING SH*T! (shaq +howard)


F*CK YOU DAN GILBERT.
Magic as a franchise shit on the Cavs :confusedshrug:

[Burgz V2]

Both suck.

The Cavs would be historically better because they have been in the league longer.

they've only been past the first round 8 times (5 with LeBron). I wouldn't call that "historically more successful". I'd call that sustained futility. Making any argument for either team, or bringing it up in the first place for that matter, is extremely vapid to begin with.

[gts]

Making room for Alvin Gentry to reunite with his former Suns buddy and new Cavs GM D. Griffin

[D-FENS]

I never understand how this happens. You hire a guy o na multi-year deal, then fire him after one season. It's easier to shape the roster around the coach than the other way round

[derb2k2]

Back to the Lakers! :bowdown:


Surreal sh*t right here lmao

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[TwentyThree]

If we get Del Negro or D'Antoni I'll probably just start watching the Cavs sporadically instead of following every game. Hiring either of them would be the ultimate f*ck up.

[DukeDelonte13]

If we get Del Negro or D'Antoni I'll probably just start watching the Cavs sporadically instead of following every game. Hiring either of them would be the ultimate f*ck up.


would you be surprised at this point?


what a bunch of freaking morons. Let's pave the way for David Griffin to reshape our franchise. :(

[DukeDelonte13]

Magic as a franchise shit on the Cavs :confusedshrug:


go back to alabama and fap to your cartoons you unfunny pedophile.


what a weekend for cleveland sports. Unreal.

[Jameerthefear]

go back to alabama and fap to your cartoons you unfunny pedophile.


what a weekend for cleveland sports. Unreal.
Cleveland is a shit city and has multiple shit teams. Stay mad f*ggot.

[DukeDelonte13]

Cleveland is a shit city and has multiple shit teams. Stay mad f*ggot.


at least i'm not an adult pretending to a 15 year old high school student that faps to sister-love cartoons :oldlol:

alabama doesn't even have any teams. They have obesity and poverty.

[Fudge]

Wait I'm reading that his current contract was 5 years 20 million?

:facepalm :facepalm

[Jameerthefear]

at least i'm not an adult pretending to a 15 year old high school student that faps to sister-love cartoons :oldlol:

alabama doesn't even have any teams. They have obesity and poverty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtqZgfFKgQ
How'd you like this song? Did you buy it on iTunes?

[The Iron Sheik]

now, now fellas let's be civil. all of your respective teams / cities suck

[ILLsmak]

Successful franchises have CONSISTENCY.



This is true. It seems like teams fire coaches when they are in rebuilding mode, but once they feel built, they shouldn't be firing a coach that fast. However, they may already know who they are getting.

Getting Mark Jackson would be a great move.

-Smak

[Legends66NBA7]

they've only been past the first round 8 times (5 with LeBron). I wouldn't call that "historically more successful". I'd call that sustained futility. Making any argument for either team, or bringing it up in the first place for that matter, is extremely vapid to begin with.

Yeah, I agree. I wouldn't know why there needs to be a comparison in the first place. We would have to compare ourselves to teams that have been within our existence; Grizzlies, Timberwolves, Bobcats, etc...

[ZenMaster]

Why the hell did they even hire that Mr.Potato Head looking motherf*cker? Did they not know how bad of a coach he was?

There was a brilliant thread a while on Brown's ability to give exceptional job interviews, made good sense.

[DukeDelonte13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtqZgfFKgQ
How'd you like this song? Did you buy it on iTunes?


yeah i bought the gold plated box set collector's edition

maybe one day when you grow up you can order stuff off the internet without your daddy beating your ass

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Dat #Loyalty shown by the Cavs organization. Firing a guy a season after hiring him (just like the Browns lol).

[Jameerthefear]

at least i'm not an adult pretending to a 15 year old high school student that faps to sister-love cartoons :oldlol:

alabama doesn't even have any teams. They have obesity and poverty.

yeah i bought the gold plated box set collector's edition

maybe one day when you grow up you can order stuff off the internet without your daddy beating your ass
running outta insults buddy? which one is it? :oldlol:

[DukeDelonte13]

running outta insults buddy? which one is it? :oldlol:


yeah i ran out you've won insidehoops.

[DuMa]

Lakers might as well hire him back.... theyre gonna be paying him anyway :lol

[Marcus]

not at all surprised to see this. never thought dude was any good as a head coach anyway.

[Jameerthefear]

yeah i ran out you've won insidehoops.
No need to tell me. I knew I won from the start :oldlol:

[Levity]

like some have already said, i can see the cavs looking at mark jackson. hes another defensive minded coach, but is also the kind of motivator/authority figure the cavs seem to be lacking. god knows brown wasnt it.

[JellyBean]

Only the Cavs:facepalm

They were getting better----slowly, each year. This season along they improved by 9 games. Way better than the 2 or 3 games that they improved over the last 4 years.

Interesting to see who takes this job.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Only the Cavs:facepalm

They were getting better----slowly, each year. This season along they improved by 9 games. Way better than the 2 or 3 games that they improved over the last 4 years.

Interesting to see who takes this job.

Rumor has it they are looking at Byron Scott

[NattyPButter]

doesn't bother me one bit. Actually was kind of shocked since I thought he did OK. My main problem with him was he had no offense and gave the wrong players to many mins and the players with talent very little mins. He was not developing the rookies either. If I was the new GM I let him go to because he sure isn't about to get me fired for his dumb moves.

[El Gato Negro]

im actually glad this happened, grant made a couple of mistakes this year he hired brown back, he signed clark, bynum, and jack. all were a disaster and cost the team, i have faith in griffen fixing the situation tho. every interview ive seen griffen do he always seems to know exactly what the problems are. most new gms will want there own coach not who they were left with so this shouldnt surprise anyone. cut the cancer and move forward we shall all see this was the right move next year.

[The_Night_Elf]

Question: Was Mike Brown hired by the Cavs while still having yrs on his Lakers contract? Does that mean the Lakers were paying Mike Brown as well as the Cavs paying him last season? And if so, does that mean Mike Brown is now receiving cheques from both franchises while sitting on the couch...? :confusedshrug:

I guess that would be "Questions" and not "Question"...

[ballup]

Oh man. Who could have saw this coming?

[The Iron Sheik]

Question: Was Mike Brown hired by the Cavs while still having yrs on his Lakers contract? Does that mean the Lakers were paying Mike Brown as well as the Cavs paying him last season? And if so, does that mean Mike Brown is now receiving cheques from both franchises while sitting on the couch...? :confusedshrug:

I guess that would be "Questions" and not "Question"...

I thought that when he was hired by Cleveland his contract with the lakers was done. I think Cleveland payed the rest of his lakers contract. not entirely sure about that part though.

[kaiteng]

Mike Brown doesn't have a chance.

[Just2McFly]

WHAT A BUNCH OF JACKASSES

can't they look at that mess of a franchise in Berea and F*CKING LEARN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS when you install a new coach every other season?
+1

[senelcoolidge]

Vinny Del Negro maybe the new coach.

[davehos]

Damn. How ****ed up is that?


Cavs: Hey Mike Brown, want a job?

Mike Brown: Sure!

Cavs: Just kidding , we just trollin'.

[chips93]

like some have already said, i can see the cavs looking at mark jackson. hes another defensive minded coach, but is also the kind of motivator/authority figure the cavs seem to be lacking. god knows brown wasnt it.

please no

im surprised he isnt mentioned more for the more attractive job openings, but id love lionel hollins. hed bring defense, and a toughness this team sorely lacks

[RagaZ]

Everybody who misses the Playoffs in the East should get the sack.

[R.I.P.]

Wow. Dude's getting fcuked over. Don't expect him getting hired for a while.

****ed over? He

[BasedTom]

Everybody who misses the Playoffs in the East should get the sack.
Every Uruguayan striker in Liverpool that fails to win the league should get sent to Madrid.

[The_Night_Elf]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]****ed over? He

[Sharmer]

Owners don't get it. There's only 1 winning team each year and most teams don't have the talent to win. Changing coaches won't do shit.

[BlackVVaves]

So Gilbert, how's that winning a championship before LeBron does guarantee working out for you?

Making LeBron's reasons for leaving more feasible by the day.

[Mr Exlax]

Is he good? Can the Rockets get him?

[coin24]

Cavs:lol :facepalm

Wonder who they're looking at to replace potato head. (Who really shouldn't have been signed in the first place he sucks)...

Please be dantoni:roll:

[BasedTom]

Normally I would write "God hates Cleveland" but with this and the Bynum case I think He might actually be showing a little mercy.

[Meticode]

I wasn't a fan of the rehiring of him. I'm fine with this.

[Meticode]

Cavs:lol :facepalm

Wonder who they're looking at to replace potato head. (Who really shouldn't have been signed in the first place he sucks)...

Please be dantoni:roll:
Before Brown got rehired I was hoping for Lionel Hollins.

[Meticode]

I hope the Cavs miss the playoffs again for firing a quality coach
Which is why he's been fired 3 times in the last 4 seasons.

[Meticode]

So Gilbert, how's that winning a championship before LeBron does guarantee working out for you?

Making LeBron's reasons for leaving more feasible by the day.
More feasible? He won his ring 2 seasons after he left. There's nothing more to prove. If LeBron left to simply win a championship, he's accomplished that.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I'll LMFAO if Lakers hire him :lol
:roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

Before Brown got rehired I was hoping for Lionel Hollins.
Hollins is an incredibly unlikely choice. The reason is a simple one... Hollins pretty much detests analytics and Griffin -- who was named GM -- is an analytics guy. I'd say it is safe to scratch him off the list entirely. I would have been fine with him as the choice, btw, but just being realistic.

I'm sort of torn on this Brown thing. I mean, I said immediately after Grant was fired that MB was on the clock. So I'm not the least bit surprised at the move, but there's no question that sans-Bynum, the team improved dramatically. All statistics and their record attests to that.

And, while they dug themselves too deep a hole at the start of the year, I don't think there's any denying that progress was made, especially in the last quarter of the season.

In retrospect, it does seem Brown was a bad fit. A veteran coach whose experience is in coaching veteran-laden teams sent to coach-up the second youngest roster in the NBA with two very strong personalities leading the way (Kyrie/Dion). It wasn't exactly a great recipe.

Still, I saw glimpses of what could have been toward the end of the year. Can't say I'm upset at the firing, but I'll also reserve judgement until they make a hire.

I was fine with keeping Griffin on as GM. He seems competent and much less of a risk-taker than his predecessor. He also seems more... likeable. Grant could come off snarky and arrogant. I don't think coaches or players appreciated that about him (he was viewed as a bit of a buffoon around the league, sources said after he was fired).

Since Griffin will be making this decision (with plenty of input by Gilbert, I'm sure), I'd say we can at least begin to compile a list of most likely hires. There's a lot of buzz around Alvin Gentry and apparently Griffin is somewhat enamored by him.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/05/as_cleveland_cavaliers_look_fo.html



Here's the Plain Dealer's list of possibilities... I'm glad to see MDA on the list of 'less likely' choices.


MORE LIKELY

Alvin Gentry -- A players' coach who had a 145-116 record with the Suns, including a 54-28 mark in 2009-10.

Vinny Del Negro -- Was an assistant general manager during Griffin's time with the Suns.


LESS LIKELY

Mike D'Antoni -- His high-powered offense is too much of a radical departure after all the emphasis placed on defense this season.

Steve Kerr -- Probably too far along in his negotiations to become head coach of the New York Knicks.


VETERANS

Mike Fratello -- Former Cavs coach last coached in Memphis at the start of the 2006-07 season.

George Karl -- Another former Cavs coach who was the coach of the year in Denver in 2012-13.

Jeff Van Gundy -- Popular ESPN broadcaster whose name comes up for most openings. He interviewed with Cavs in 2003.

Stan Van Gundy -- Reportedly a leading candidate in Golden State.


LONGSHOTS

Chauncey Billups -- Cavs owner Dan Gilbert loves Billups, and with Jason Kidd having success in his first season as a coach after retiring as a point guard, there could be some consideration for Billups, who hasn't yet retired.

John Calipari -- Kentucky coach insists he's going to remain in college ranks, but his name always comes up in large part because of his friendship with LeBron James.

Tom Izzo -- Gilbert wooed him but he couldn't be convinced to leave Michigan State in the summer of 2010. Not sure anything has changed.

Kevin Ollie -- Former Cavs player won NCAA title in his second season as head coach at UConn and has been mentioned as possible candidate for numerous NBA jobs.


OTHERS

Adrian Griffin -- Bulls assistant coach called a top candidate for Cavs by USA Today.

Lionel Hollins -- Former Memphis coach is not a fan of analytics, whereas Griffin is.

Mark Jackson -- Won 51 games with the Warriors this season and his players tried to save his job -- to no avail.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/05/from_likely_to_longshot_a_look.html


From this list, I'd prefer Gentry over VDN in the 'most likely' section. Of the rest, Karl, Ollie and Jackson would all be very interesting.

I guess that's probably the four I'd have as my frontrunners and the guys I'd be most pleased with.

[bdreason]

He had no chance without that "white guy" drawing up plays for him.

[JohnFreeman]

"i Personally Guarantee That The Cleveland Cavaliers Will Win An Nba Championship Before The Self-titled Former

[RedBlackAttack]

I guess logical discussions aren't possible, here. It's been an insane week for Cleveland sports all the way around. Give us a break for once.

[JohnFreeman]

I guess logical discussions aren't possible, here. It's been an insane week for Cleveland sports all the way around. Give us a break for once.
Why do you think he was fired?

[Fearthejameer]

shoulda just bumped the thread for the first time :lol

[BasedTom]

I guess logical discussions aren't possible, here. It's been an insane week for Cleveland sports all the way around. Give us a break for once.
That was a really good informative post. But shitting on Cleveland sports is just too much fun for the rest of us. Lighten up, friend.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

What is with this former generation of players to coaches trend going on right now? Are we at that time in the cycle where veteran coaches are no longer desirable and it's time to bring in new blood?

Seeing all these names of players I watched and it's making me feel old. Adrian Griffin... Billups, for real? Then we had Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd, and Steve Kerr is going to end up in NY. These aren't even no-name players either.

At least you guys got Johnny Football, tho. That kid is going to shit on the NFL like he's facing Bama every week.

[RedBlackAttack]

Why do you think he was fired?
He was Chris Grant's guy. People tend to falsely believe that bringing Brown back was Dan Gilbert's call because they're great friends or something.

Couldn't be further from the truth. Gilbert played the role of supportive owner when he was re-hired by going in front of the press and professing his "mistake" in firing him, but bring MB back was Chris Grant's doing.

Brown and Grant are old college buddies. They go way back. And, from all the reports that have come out since his firing, Byron Scott spent more time on the gold course than he did in the practice facility.

I think Grant approached Gilbert about bring back MB and sold him on work ethic (Brown's is great) and the way he turned the Cavs from a horrible defensive team in 2005 to a very good one in 2006. Grant sold him that he'd do for Kyrie and Dion's defense what he did for LeBron (quite a lot).


However, I think it became apparent early on that Brown was out of sorts with this young group. I said it at the time when everyone was assuming Grant was fired over his recent draft picks, particularly Anthony Bennett.

I never thought that had anything to do with it. Grant was fired because he put his job on the line for Mike Brown and things started off horribly.

Like I said, the team did show marked improvement in the second half of the season, but by then, Brown's biggest proponent (Grant) was already long gone and the decision had probably already been made. I think he may have been fired even if they would have climbed their way back into the playoffs.

The day Grant was fired, MB was done in Cleveland.

[RedBlackAttack]

What is with this former generation of players to coaches trend going on right now? Are we at that time in the cycle where veteran coaches are no longer desirable and it's time to bring in new blood?

Seeing all these names of players I watched and it's making me feel old. Adrian Griffin... Billups, for real? Then we had Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd, and Steve Kerr is going to end up in NY. These aren't even no-name players either.

I feel the same way. It's weird seeing names like Billups in these kinds of coaching searches. Hell, it doesn't feel like that long ago when Kevin Ollie was playing for the Cavs. Now, he's one of the hottest names in the coaching world.

Yeah, I just think we're at that point in the cycle where a lot of the old school guys we've all grown accustomed to are either going or are gone, and most of their older assistants have been given ample opportunity.

It doesn't hurt that guys like Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd and Kevin Ollie have proven to be pretty good coaches, given the chance.


At least you guys got Johnny Football, tho. That kid is going to shit on the NFL like he's facing Bama every week.

I hope you're right... and that Josh Gordon's suspension is reduced significantly. JF is going to need him.

[JohnFreeman]

Get Hollies in there

[RedBlackAttack]

Get Hollies in there
Almost zero percent chance that happens, if you read my above posts. If they were bringing Hollins in, they wouldn't have retained Griffin as GM.

[JohnFreeman]

Svg?

[RedBlackAttack]

Svg?
Not out of the realm of possibility, but I'm hearing he's headed to GSW.

Like I said, the most likely candidate at this point is Alvin Gentry... who I honestly believe would be an excellent hire. His recent track record is a pretty impressive one and Doc Rivers thinks highly enough of him to make him lead assistant on a championship caliber team/roster.

He has the experience with young players, is considered a "player's coach," and I think he has the right temperament for this particular situation.

Toss in he and Griffin coming from the same Suns' system and it all makes sense.

[El Gato Negro]

I guess logical discussions aren't possible, here. It's been an insane week for Cleveland sports all the way around. Give us a break for once.
Should have left that list on rcf if you wanted intelligent conversation. that's the only place on the interweb to get good cavs info and not the usual espn we hate Cleveland bs. funny how so many people are acting like firing brown was in anyway a bad move, it had to be done.

[BlackVVaves]

I hope you're right... and that Josh Gordon's suspension is reduced significantly. JF is going to need him.

Gordon's an idiot. 3 strikes in what, 3, 4 years? Was kicked off his college team for drugs too?

Talk about the Justin Blackmon syndrome.

What's up with the Browns not addressing the inevitable suspension and taking a wide out in the mid rounds though?

[DukeDelonte13]

i really hope this is just BS spewing out about Griffin being married to uptempo run and gun styles.


It doesn't work in the NBA, and it doesn't fit with what Gilbert has been saying for years, and it doesn't fit the city.


If they go this west coast route Griffin and his hire will be gone in probably less than 3 seasons. Book it. It just doesn't work.

[East_Stone_Ya]

great move

[hawksdogsbraves]

Why don't you just call up Pop and see who his next best assistant is after losing Bud and Brett Brown?

[PJR]

Who remembers Dan Gilbert lambasting LeBron for his lack of 'loyalty'? :oldlol:

Fired Byron Scott after two seasons. Fired Chris Grant. Fired Mike Brown twice in four years.

Where's the loyalty?

[DukeDelonte13]

Why don't you just call up Pop and see who his next best assistant is after losing Bud and Brett Brown?


where do you think Mike Brown came from?

[DukeDelonte13]

presser on now:

[CelticBaller]

mike brown is horrible

good firing

[longtime lurker]

Mike Brown and D'Antonio would make the GOAT assistant coach duo

[hawksdogsbraves]

where do you think Mike Brown came from?

Yeah but he also had a proven track record of being a bad NBA coach.

[sdot_thadon]

Damn, kinda feel bad for Mike. He was the 1st coach I ever watched that looked like a fan of his players, celebrating big plays like he was one of the guys. Maybe it wasn't for the best but it was unique. He'll land somewhere eventually even if it's as an assistant again.

[RedBlackAttack]

Damn, kinda feel bad for Mike. He was the 1st coach I ever watched that looked like a fan of his players, celebrating big plays like he was one of the guys. Maybe it wasn't for the best but it was unique. He'll land somewhere eventually even if it's as an assistant again.

I feel for him, too... Or, at least as badly as you can feel for a man who now doesn't have to work and will still earn untold millions. Just on a personal level, I recall how excited he was to come back and I got the impression he was never comfortable out West.

He quickly enrolled his kids in school, Cameron at Westlake and Elijah at St. Eds and bought a house here. He seemed genuinely happy to be back. I wish things could have worked out better for him.

Seems like a good guy and I hope things work out for him.

[RedBlackAttack]

i really hope this is just BS spewing out about Griffin being married to uptempo run and gun styles.


It doesn't work in the NBA, and it doesn't fit with what Gilbert has been saying for years, and it doesn't fit the city.


If they go this west coast route Griffin and his hire will be gone in probably less than 3 seasons. Book it. It just doesn't work.
The writing was on the wall the moment Grant was fired, mid-season. I'm not even sure making the playoffs could have saved Mike's job. I'm surprised you seem so surprised.

I think the two of us were MB's biggest defenders on this site. I still like him and think he's a good coach in the right situation. I really don't think this was a great fit for him. That's not to say I'm doing cartwheels over the firing... like I said, I have mixed feelings.

But, I had a pretty good idea that this was the direction they'd go in. Grant put his job on the line for Brown and his firing was a testament of that.

One wasn't going to go without the other.

[DukeDelonte13]

I feel for him, too... Or, at least as badly as you can feel for a man who now doesn't have to work and will still earn untold millions. Just on a personal level, I recall how excited he was to come back and I got the impression he was never comfortable out West.

He quickly enrolled his kids in school, Cameron at Westlake and Elijah at St. Eds and bought a house here. He seemed genuinely happy to be back. I wish things could have worked out better for him.

Seems like a good guy and I hope things work out for him.


he was planning on moving to cleveland regardless of coaching; he's genuinely in love with the area and St. Eds.


but to your post and the quoted.. MB is a very emotional family-oriented type of coach, i remember Bennett finally had that game where he started to turn things around and MB after the game was giving him a big hug at half court. Sounds corny, but i got the impression the MB genuinely cared and gave a damn about each and every one of his players.

His handling of Waiters this past year was tremendous. He really did a good job with him and didn't give up and say "F*ck it, just take the ball up" like Byron Scott did.

[DukeDelonte13]

The writing was on the wall the moment Grant was fired, mid-season. I'm not even sure making the playoffs could have saved Mike's job. I'm surprised you seem so surprised.

I think the two of us were MB's biggest defenders on this site. I still like him and think he's a good coach in the right situation. I really don't think this was a great fit for him. That's not to say I'm doing cartwheels over the firing... like I said, I have mixed feelings.

But, I had a pretty good idea that this was the direction they'd go in. Grant put his job on the line for Brown and his firing was a testament of that.

One wasn't going to go without the other.



when grant was gone you knew it was coming..

I though a griffin hire would at least solidify one more year of Brown because Griffin was a part of the same FO that brought him in.

Everybody talks about Brown and Griffin's philosophies not jiving, what about Griffin and Gilbert's?

I know Gilbert wants to create that hard-nosed defensive identity, he's been preaching that since day one as an owner.

I'm deeply concerned that they are going to bring in a throw-away.

[RedBlackAttack]

he was planning on moving to cleveland regardless of coaching; he's genuinely in love with the area and St. Eds.


but to your post and the quoted.. MB is a very emotional family-oriented type of coach, i remember Bennett finally had that game where he started to turn things around and MB after the game was giving him a big hug at half court. Sounds corny, but i got the impression the MB genuinely cared and gave a damn about each and every one of his players.

His handling of Waiters this past year was tremendous. He really did a good job with him and didn't give up and say "F*ck it, just take the ball up" like Byron Scott did.
I agree with you, which is why I take issue with people who call this a "throw-away" season for the Cavs. Dion alone took some major steps forward in his growth as a player on and off the court. He's better for having worked under MB and his staff.

I'll tell you something else... as much sh!t as Kyrie took this past season, I saw growth with him as well. He really cut a lot of the careless turnovers and dribbling into trouble out of his game and he seemed to start actually giving a damn defensively. While everyone focused on his shooting percentages, those were two pretty big advancements for his game.

Obviously, there was a massive improvement with Anthony Bennett over the course of the season.

The biggest disappointment was undoubtedly Tristan. I'm not sure what his future is with this franchise.

But, all said, there's no doubt the team was far better at the end of the season than it was at the beginning. Improvements were visible... visible in the W/L column, in the statistics, and just with your two eyes.

Still, Grant's dismissal sealed Mike's fate.

I know you're feeling pessimistic about the move, but I do think -- if we could bring in, say, Alvin Gentry, as is being reported -- things could turn out well.

As for Gilbert, I'd prefer his "vision" of the team be kept to himself. He's not a basketball guy. He's a savvy businessman. I love the way he will spend whatever it takes. I love his passion for the franchise and the city. I'm getting concerned about his meddling with basketball decisions.