Who even ranks Duncan ahead of Kobe ?

[5 rings fan]

5 rings >>>>>>> 4 rings

also better stats , less choking, ISH loves to pretend that missing an open shot in game 7 final is not choking, but some bullshat reasons like "he was old" , "that almost went in so it's not choking" ..etc

The so called "Spur dynasty" has never repeated as well :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
"top 3 all time" tho ( according to T__L__P)

Kobe went to 7 finals , Duncan ? only 5... but according to the supposed high IQ ISH intellects , getting to the final is worse than not getting to the final :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[305Baller]

Duncan? Best PF of all-time.

Kobe? 2nd best SG of all-time.

[JohnnySic]

Duncan is just better.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Not sure why you would take Kobe over Duncan for any reason other than selling tickets. Duncan has better longevity, defense, and needs less help to win titles.

[Solefade]

duncan is better

more fmvps and mvps


duncan >>>>> kobe

[Mr. Jabbar]

kobe is the far superior player imo. both have done a lot tho, in a very tough conference that is, and for a long time :applause:

[Solefade]

also if you ask anyone with a brain, they would build around duncan over kobe any day

[5 rings fan]

Duncan? Best PF of all-time.

Kobe? 2nd best SG of all-time.
cool logic there, so Magic and Duncan and Bird are as good as Jordan :applause:

[305Baller]

cool logic there, so Magic and Duncan and Bird are as good as Jordan :applause:

You didnt even come close to comprehending my post and followed that with a completely nonsensical reply.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Duncan? Best PF of all-time.

Kobe? 2nd best SG of all-time.
So u rank Duncan over Shaq, Hakeem, Russell and KAJ then? Since not all of them can be the best C.................

[Mr. Jabbar]

So u rank Duncan over Shaq, Hakeem, Russell and KAJ then? Since not all of them can be the best C.................

hmmm his phrasing is missleading, maybe hes saying both are top notch

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Sane people.

[red1]

people who have functioning brains

[305Baller]

hmmm his phrasing is missleading, maybe hes saying both are top notch

bingo.

[TheReal Kendall]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jgff.gif

[SilkkTheShocker]

So u rank Duncan over Shaq, Hakeem, Russell and KAJ then? Since not all of them can be the best C.................


Duncan is most definitely better than Hakeem and Russell. You Hakeem fan boys are too funny sometimes. The man lost 9 ****ing times in the 1st round

[DMAVS41]

Virtually all basketball fans other than Kobe fans would objectively now rank Duncan over Kobe on GOAT lists.

Kobe being borderline irrelevant for his first 3 years...and then now missing 2 playoffs in a row and a full season is just too much to overcome with what Duncan has now done.

Duncan is at 18/10/2 54% TS 111 ortg 101 drtg over the last 2 years in the playoffs (31 games) while Kobe is at 0/0/0....

Again, it's just too much for Kobe to overcome at this point with Duncan coming up elite from the jump...while it took Kobe until year 5 to get as good as rookie Duncan was. Combine that with the last 2 years...and you get Duncan clearly being ranked over Kobe at this point.

We'll see what Kobe does the next couple years....

[Black and White]

They are in the same tier, their ranking comes down to personal opinion, if you weigh rings the heaviest, Kobe > Duncan, if you value dominance at their position Duncan > Kobe, its all subjective and can be debated forever. I personally struggle to seperate them.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Virtually all basketball fans other than Kobe fans would objectively now rank Duncan over Kobe on GOAT lists.


what a joke of an asumption

Virtually all basketball fans other than Kobe haters would objectively rank Kobe over Duncan on GOAT lists.

now that makes sense. as proven by the guys saying duncan in this thread. not a single non kobe-hater

[Round Mound]

Duncan > Kobe

[T_L_P]

Duncan has better stats than Kobe doe. And he did on a much slower teams :facepalm

And I never called Duncan top 3. WTF you on?

[Y2ktors]

Kobe 8th
Duncan 10th

[JellyBean]

I know I don't. I don't even have Duncan among my 10 greatest players of all-time. I have him at 11.

[Noob Saibot]

smart nba fans do. not kobtards or anti big men.

[T_L_P]

I've noticed though that whenever Duncan has a good game, or he's being talked about even a little bit, a Kobe stan will end up making a negative thread about it.

[JohnFreeman]

Me.

[SCdac]

Can barely tell if Kobe is in the league any more. Hasn't played a playoff game in years :confusedshrug:

[Anaximandro1]

OP, Pippen has 6 rings ... Pippen > Kobe


- GMs would pick Duncan over Kobe to build a franchise ten times out of ten.

GM Survey: If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?

2002
1. Shaquille O'Neal,L.A. Lakers
2. Tim Duncan,San Antonio

2003
1. Tim Duncan,San Antonio
2. Shaquille O'Neal,L.A. Lakers

2004
1 Tim Duncan, San Antonio 47.6%
2 Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 28.6%
3 LeBron James, Cleveland 14.3%
4 Shaquille O'Neal, Miami 9.5

2005
1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 40.0%
2. LeBron James, Cleveland 36.0%
3. Shaquille O'Neal, Miami 8.0%
4. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix 8.0%

2006
1 LeBron James, Cleveland 71.4%
2 Dwyane Wade, Miami 10.7%

2007
1. LeBron James, Cleveland 59.3%
2. Dwight Howard, Orlando 25.9%
3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 11.1%
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 11.1%
5. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas 3.7%



Reasons?

- Kobe lost his individual matchups in the finals during his first ten years in the league ... Shaq would have won those rings with Reggie Miller, Iverson, Carter, T Mac, Ray Allen, Kidd ...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HkfFPvSANTw/U2tO7XEIElI/AAAAAAAAC0w/4LqTQnxudbw/s1600/4.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6j_HA22NbMY/U2tO7XDjVpI/AAAAAAAAC0s/ENk_unBBSpQ/s1600/5.jpg



- Duncan totally demolishes Kobe statistically

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pzBLVk59qFI/U3FqmdiBbeI/AAAAAAAAC10/dyDDuzJJ2Wc/s1600/9.jpg


- Duncan has four rings as the first option and defensive anchor, without All NBA - teammates.

- only Player in NBA Playoff history to have over 4,500 pt/ 2,500 rb / 500 blk

- only Player in NBA Playoff history to have over 500 blocks

- only Player in NBA Playoff history to have over 1,800 defensive rebounds

- NBA Playoff record most defensive rebounds in a six-game series

- NBA Playoff record most blocks in a six-game series

- 152 career playoff double-doubles, second most in NBA history only Magic has more (157)

- Has the highest winning percentage out of any player of all of the 4 major sports teams in the last 17 years

- 15 straight seasons with 50 or more wins ...

[Deuce Bigalow]

Boiled down:

Kobe: 5

TOSB: 4

[robert_shaww]

Kobe is a better basketaball player.

He has that killer instint. go watch the 2008 NBA playoffs, both in their prime and Ducan was the defending champ....

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe is a better basketaball player.

He has that killer instint. go watch the 2008 NBA playoffs, both in their prime and Ducan was the defending champ....
Duncan has 3 finals MVP...he has more killer instinct, and didn't get carried to the majority of his rings.

[robert_shaww]

Duncan has 3 finals MVP...he has more killer instinct, and didn't get carried to the majority of his rings.

he was carried 50% of his rings.

[Paul George 24]

So u rank Duncan over Shaq, Hakeem, Russell and KAJ then? Since not all of them can be the best C.................

KAJ is the best C of All time :no:

[JohnFreeman]

he was carried 50% of his rings.
:wtf:

[robert_shaww]

:wtf:

1999: duncan
2003: duncan
2005: ginobili
2007: parker

:rolleyes:

[Droid101]

:wtf:
Manu got him one, Parker the other.

Study it out.

[Cold soul]

Kobe is the better player and had the greater career. It's close though I personally have Duncan ranked 8th all-time.

[Paul George 24]

he was carried 50% of his rings.
Kobe choked against Suns...............when they up 1-3 :roll:
sweep by the thunders :facepalm the most ball hog of all time:banana:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan has 3 finals MVP...he has more killer instinct, and didn't get carried to the majority of his rings.
"Finals mvps"

http://worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2005/06/13/sportsnba_t440.jpg

[T_L_P]

he was carried 50% of his rings.

Just stop. Your trolling is atrocious. You've already proven that you can't sustain any of your arguments -- and you completely make up statistics.

For you, the person who takes the last shot is the one who carries the team. If Duncan got carried in 2007, how come he was voted as the best player throughout the entire year on ISH? How come he averaged more points than Parker? How come in the real Finals (against Phoenix) he put up 27/14/1/4 whilst Parker put up 21/2/6/1?

It's funny, because most Kobe stans talk about how great Kobe was in the Western rounds during the three-peat, but when it comes to Tim he got carried -- because Parker put up better scoring numbers in the Finals.

[Paul George 24]

Kobe is the better player and had the greater career. It's close though I personally have Duncan ranked 8th all-time.
KOBE IS TOP 10 AT BEST

[JohnFreeman]

Manu got him one, Parker the other.

Study it out.
Nope, Duncan is a greater individual winner then Kobe.

[Droid101]

In fact David Robinson carried him to his first so he's 1/4.


; )

[SCdac]

The irony of Kobe stans saying Duncan "didn't deserve his Finals MVP" :facepalm

and when Robert_Shaw is agreeing with you, you know you're wrong...

[robert_shaww]

"Finals mvps"

http://worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2005/06/13/sportsnba_t440.jpg

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: carrying duncan against the best defensive team of the decade...

[Paul George 24]

1999: duncan
2003: duncan
2005: ginobili
2007: parker

:rolleyes:
2001-2003 CARRIED BY SHAQ:cheers:
2009-2010 CARRIED BY GASOL & FISHER :oldlol:

[T_L_P]

The irony of Kobe stans saying Duncan "didn't deserved Finals MVP" :facepalm

and when Robert_Shaw is agreeing with you, you know you're wrong...

Like I just said, when trying to prove how vital Kobe was to the three-peat his stans bring up the Western conference mathcups. When it comes to Duncan -- specifically in '07 -- he got carried because Parker abused the biggest mismatch ever in the Finals. :oldlol:

[Paul George 24]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: carrying duncan against the best defensive team of the decade...

koBE iS THE REASon WHY THEY FAIL TO 4PEAT :oldlol:

[Himan12]

Duncan is more efficient, can anchor a defence, is an excellent rebounder, post scorer, a better passer, leader and low maintenance. The only thing kobe is better at is 3 point shooting and ball handles...

So I'm guessing someone who isn't a kobe's fan?

[robert_shaww]

koBE iS THE REASon WHY THEY FAIL TO 4PEAT :oldlol:

kobe is the reason why the spurs didnt won in 00, 01, 02, 04, 08, 09 and 10

[robert_shaww]

Like I just said, when trying to prove how vital Kobe was to the three-peat his stans bring up the Western conference mathcups. When it comes to Duncan -- specifically in '07 -- he got carried because Parker abused the biggest mismatch ever in the Finals. :oldlol:

manu was mismatched in the 05 finals? :lol

[T_L_P]

So to summarise:

Duncan has better stats, more rings as the man with less help, more or equal individual accomplishments, much less of an ego, increased production in the Playoffs, better longevity, easier to build around, better peak, more dedication.

And Kobe has one more ring?

[T_L_P]

kobe is the reason why the spurs didnt won in 00, 01, 02, 04, 08, 09 and 10

...confirmed not a Spurs fan, or someone who's been watching the game very long.

Duncan didn't even play in the '00 Playoffs. And guess what: that's the only time his team ever lost in the first round during his prime. Idiot. :facepalm

[JohnFreeman]

So to summarise:

Duncan has better stats, more rings as the man with less help, more or equal individual accomplishments, much less of an ego, increased production in the Playoffs, better longevity, easier to build around, better peak, more dedication.

And Kobe has one more ring?
Kobe stans are idiots.

[Paul George 24]

kobe is the reason why the spurs didnt won in 00, 01, 02, 04, 08, 09 and 10

NO.IT'S SHAQ GASOL & FISHER :oldlol:

[Mr. Jabbar]

honestly, only thing going for ducan here is 1 less rape accusation

[Inferno]

toss up

[5 rings fan]

Kobe <3

[BoutPractice]

I do, and sleep at night just fine.

[sportjames23]

honestly, only thing going for ducan here is 1 less rape accusation


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Ball So Harden]

Duncan is better. Does any non-Kobe-******gers disagree?

[To4]

I pick Duncan over Kobe.. Its just the truth :confusedshrug:

[East_Stone_Ya]

I do

[Paul George 24]

honestly, only thing going for ducan here is 1 less rape accusation

Kobe is a cancer of team chemistry

[iBandwagon]

Duncan > Kobe without hesitation for me.

[ralph_i_el]

It seems like ignorant assholes rank Kobe higher

[AirFederer]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/didntread.gif

[miles berg]

Duncan is far superior than Kobe. Trust me, as a Mavs fan I would love for this not to be true but there really isnt much of a comparison. Duncan is clearly better.

[Frozen1]

Duncan is product of Popovich system.

Kobe made his own, the Kobe System.

[riseagainst]

honestly, only thing going for ducan here is 1 less rape accusation

:roll:

[tgan3]

I rank Duncan over Kobe, its not all about rings and Duncan is the better and more efficient player.

[Anaximandro1]

It's important to notice that a healthy Duncan was a vastly superior offensive player to Kobe until 2006 - 2007 ... Kobe benefited greatly from the rule changes and Duncan's steep decline after he turned 32.

PPG is a pretty meaningless statistic for the simple reason that the Spurs played at a glacial pace.

Both players had usage rates close to 30% from 1998 - 2007 , therefore we can compare their individual Offensive Ratings aka the number of points produced by a player per 100 total individual possessions, and things like eFG%, TS% ...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hFYEN6OkbSg/U3I8SO9CgmI/AAAAAAAAC2E/TT6hDCcnNGA/s1600/10.jpg


Interestingly enough there is a massive gap between Duncan's offensive rating and the Spurs' offensive rating from 1998 to 2007, the days on the championship stage.

As you already know, the Duncan-less Spurs lost 3-1 in the first round of the 2000 playoffs... without Tim, the Spurs' offensive rating collapsed.

It's very hard to combine a high usage rate with a high individual offensive rating and heavy minutes when your team is not particularly efficient on the offensive side (things improved in 2005) .

The glory days ended when Duncan's offensive rating fell below the Spurs' offensive rating.

We can't say the same about Kobe ... prime Shaq carried most of the load.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iL0TkgSWue4/U3I-CltyhEI/AAAAAAAAC2Y/CNz4McZXXSI/s1600/12.jpg

To sum things up, Duncan was way better at both ends of the floor from 1998 - 2007 and 2013-14

-Kobe was way better from 2008 - 2012

explains why Duncan has more MVPs, FMVPs, titles as the best player, better stats and multiple NBA records.

- Duncan is one of the 6 greatest players of all-time (multiple NBA records, MVP, FMVPs, titles as the best player, amazing playoff advanced stats + H2H )

- Kobe is TOP 15 (LeBron is already TOP 10)

[Knoe Itawl]

I wonder how Kobe STans explain virtually EVERYONE ELSE besides them taking Duncan? Is it just that everyone wants to "hate" on poor widdle Kobe?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

duncan still has more impact at age 38 than a non injured kobe had at age 33.
duncan basically is the spurs coach hes just as important as pop:banana: :banana:

[T_L_P]

Duncan is product of Popovich system.

Kobe made his own, the Kobe System.

Difference is Popovich had a losing record before Duncan arrived and he hasn't really done anything since his decline. Phil was one of the all time greats long before he arrived in LA.

And what did Kobe do without Phil? Bench warmer, 11th seed, 7th seed.