The more I watch Lebron the more I am starting to think he's better than MJ

[Teanett]

Wade was washed up in 2010 and 11?

...and as great as rodman was, he was already 35 when they won 72 games. still a great player but certainly not an all-star like bosh.

[TheMan]

everyone has a weak series like mj vs orlando:roll: :roll: :roll:
Lehumble wanted to give Wade the alpha role because Wade was so good in the finals and they gameplanned to stop lebron.
LeHumble:bowdown: :bowdown:
Every player has had a bad series or two but holy fvck, LeBron's 2011 Finals was on a whole 'nother level of bad.

Don't get mad just because MJ set the standard so impossibly high that you nikkas feel the need to try and tear it down:no:

[DonDadda59]

Jordan got 1 million fts a game http://i.imgur.com/godQHKt.png

:coleman:

Jordan: 8.2 FTA for his career on 23 FGA (.358 FTr)
Bron: 8.6 FTA for his career on 20 FGA (.430 FTr)

And someone please- find me one Jordan series/moment as choketacular and embarrassing as Bron in the 2011 finals. Thank you kindly.

[97 bulls]

Comparing them during the second round of the playoffs is premature. A comparison would make more sense after the season is done. However, for those who say Jordan is light years ahead of Lebron, let's look at this hypothetical, which assumes the Heat win another title this year:

Jordan versus Lebron at 29 (hypothetical)

Championships: Lebron 3, Jordan 3
Finals appearances: Lebron 5, Jordan 3
MVP's: Lebron 4, Jordan 3
All-NBA first teams: Jordan 7, Lebron 7

People were applying similar logic to Kobe Bryant. He had three championships by the time he was 22.

I agree we need to allow James career to play out. But it's foolish to attempt to make the claim that James has more impact than Jordan.

[Teanett]

wade's last healthy year was 2011 and they didn't win because wade wasn't good enough to carry them over the hump and because lebron choked, but the point is bron's been winning with minimal help in 2012 and 2013

bosh, battier, allen and birdman would start on most teams.

[97 bulls]

wade's last healthy year was 2011 and they didn't win because wade wasn't good enough to carry them over the hump and because lebron choked, but the point is bron's been winning with minimal help in 2012 and 2013
Then why make the feeble attempt to compare James impact to Jordan? Cuz that's what you've been doing.

[red1]

MJ = The GOAT. LBJ = 2nd GOAT

[Dragonyeuw]

wade's last healthy year was 2011 and they didn't win because wade wasn't good enough to carry them over the hump and because lebron choked, but the point is bron's been winning with minimal help in 2012 and 2013

Wade provided better help in the 2012 and 2013 finals than Lebron did in 2011. Wade had a good, not spectacular, 2011 finals. If Lebron had even played to 1/4 of his ability, Heat win that series.

[stalkerforlife]

http://oem.readyphiladelphia.org/Customized/uploads/Photos/AAmanBlindCane2.jpg

:applause:

:biggums: @ OP.

[Dbrog]

It's hard for me to really compare the two since they are so different. You would probably make better comparisons between Bron and Magic...although Bron is a more scoring focused. If you REALLY want to make a comparison, gogo Bron and Elgin Baylor. Very similar games and similar careers (up till recently). Either way, Bron is definitely a top10 player ever and will most likely end in top5 or higher.

[knicksman]

lebron has higher impact individually but jordan can fit with other players. Jordan makes the whole greater than the sum of its parts. Its the reason why lebron only has +/-2.8 when paired with stars while kobe has a +10 in the playoffs. Its the reason why robertson was a cancer despite the assists while jordan won 72, 69 despite averaging less assists in his career.

[Solefade]

Then why make the feeble attempt to compare James impact to Jordan? Cuz that's what you've been doing.


i wasn't comparing the impact of james to jordan, i was just addressing you comparing bosh to dennis rodman a 16rbpg player to chris bosh..jordan and pippen would slap you if they heard that

[ILLsmak]

http://oem.readyphiladelphia.org/Customized/uploads/Photos/AAmanBlindCane2.jpg

that's a good pic for threads cuz you have to scroll down until you see he's blind. Or I did.


LeBron isn't even that good. lol I keep sayin' it and people are like WAT. I mean he's good, but he's just not on that all-time greatest level. He's gonna have a resume, but in terms of actual talent, I dunno how people can say Bron is the GOAT. Some sad shit.


-Smak

[Roundball_Rock]

People were applying similar logic to Kobe Bryant. He had three championships by the time he was 22.

True. You simply cannot pencil in championships and MVP's for any player. Luck and injuries are factors in achieving accolades. While it is true Lebron is close to Jordan thus far (also, Lebron has 6 ECF's if he gets there this year to MJ's 5 and Lebron would have had the best record in the NBA 3 times while MJ would have it only 1 time). Moreover, Jordan did in fact win championships at ages 32, 33, 34 while adding 2 more championships and 3 all-NBA first teams. There is no guarantee Lebron will have that kind of success when he is 32-34. What we know is, barring injury, Lebron will add to his legacy over the next two seasons when he will be 30-31 years old while MJ did nothing to aid his cause during the same period in his career.

The thing that has always struck me about Lebron is you could put him with scrubs and he would make them contenders. Jordan was not able to do that. Jordan was scoring 37 points a game--while going 40-42. Lebron reached the Finals at 22 and his teams have been contenders every year since then (perhaps not 2008, but even then the Cavs took the peak KG-Pierce-Allen Celtics to 7 games in the ECSF).


lebron has higher impact individually but jordan can fit with other players. Jordan makes the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

What evidence is there of that? Lebron has succeeded with a wide variety of players. Jordan basically had two cores when he succeeded. Moreover, Jordan retired and about half the team had a career year in 94' and the players who were on both the 1993 and 1994 teams shot better in 94' than they did in 93'. What happened to Cavalier players when Lebron left?

[KingMillions]

Lebron is another level.

[oh the horror]

The thing that has always struck me about Lebron is you could put him with scrubs and he would make them contenders. Jordan was not able to do that. Jordan was scoring 37 points a game--while going 40-42. Lebron reached the Finals at 22 and his teams have been contenders every year since then (perhaps not 2008, but even then the Cavs took the peak KG-Pierce-Allen Celtics to 7 games in the ECSF).



What evidence is there of that? Lebron has succeeded with a wide variety of players. Jordan basically had two cores when he succeeded. Moreover, Jordan retired and about half the team had a career year in 94'. What happened to Cavalier players when Lebron left?




This is why people's view on Lebron annoys me. Some of you literally ignore reality at time and create a scenario for Lebron James.



Lebron alone did not leave the Cavs. Let's get that straight. When he left they were damn near almost a different team. They lost MULITPLE players. SO anything we discuss regarding how good/bad they would have been without JUST Lebron is speculation.



Secondly, when we compare Lebron + "scrubs" and Jordan + "scrubs" you have to factor in competition at that time around them and who were their actual team mates as well.


It isn't just cut and dry as "well Lebron could take scrubs and make them contenders and Jordan couldn't". That's not how the argument works at all.



Throw Lebron on this years Sixers or Bucks. They are not contenders.

[97 bulls]

i wasn't comparing the impact of james to jordan, i was just addressing you comparing bosh to dennis rodman a 16rbpg player to chris bosh..jordan and pippen would slap you if they heard that
I feel Rodman is a more impactful player than Bosh. But Bosh is a great player

My point is, why are you and yoir brethren circling your argument on impact around what the Cavs did when James left as opposed to what the Bulls did when Jordan left? When the fact is the situations were totally different. And then overlook what happened when James joined the Heat and their win/loss difference and when Jordan returned to the Bulls and their win/loss results.

[knicksman]

True. You simply cannot pencil in championships and MVP's for any player. Luck and injuries are factors in achieving accolades. While it is true Lebron is close to Jordan thus far (also, Lebron has 6 ECF's if he gets there this year to MJ's 5 and Lebron would have had the best record in the NBA 3 times while MJ would have it only 1 time). Moreover, Jordan did in fact win championships at ages 32, 33, 34 while adding 2 more championships and 3 all-NBA first teams. There is no guarantee Lebron will have that kind of success when he is 32-34. What we know is, barring injury, Lebron will add to his legacy over the next two seasons when he will be 30-31 years old while MJ did nothing to aid his cause during the same period in his career.

The thing that has always struck me about Lebron is you could put him with scrubs and he would make them contenders. Jordan was not able to do that. Jordan was scoring 37 points a game--while going 40-42. Lebron reached the Finals at 22 and his teams have been contenders every year since then (perhaps not 2008, but even then the Cavs took the peak KG-Pierce-Allen Celtics to 7 games in the ECSF).



What evidence is there of that? Lebron has succeeded with a wide variety of players. Jordan basically had two cores when he succeeded. Moreover, Jordan retired and about half the team had a career year in 94' and the players who were on both the 1993 and 1994 teams shot better in 94' than they did in 93'. What happened to Cavalier players when Lebron left?

Because of lebrons +/- 2.8 in the playoffs when paired with stars. because robertson, iverson were considered cancers despite their stats. surround jordan with talent and his team will be more dominant than bron with same talent. Even those bulls which has less talent would destroy this heat team. Jordan requires less to win while bron was a ray allen away from being a failure.

And we have no idea how good that cavs team because they were given assurance of the no. 1 pick

[Roundball_Rock]

surround jordan with talent and his team will be more dominant than bron with same talent.

I think that is true. Other than last year, none of Lebron's teams have been dominant. Still, I think it also is equally true that Lebron with average or poor talent would fare better than Jordan in the same situation. Can anyone envision prime Lebron going 40-42? One problem with Jordan was he would tend to bail on his teammates and become a one man show. It is not a coincidence the Bulls started winning when a pass-first player became the primary ball-handler, a player who made sure to keep everyone involved and would not cut people off for the rest of the game for dropping a pass or missing a shot.


Secondly, when we compare Lebron + "scrubs" and Jordan + "scrubs" you have to factor in competition at that time around them and who were their actual team mates as well.

That is a fair point. In terms of team strength there was more competition in the 80's, at least at the top (remember, the Bulls made the playoffs as a 30 win team in one season :oldlol: ). However, there was no international presence in the league at the time. In the modern NBA you have to compete with the best players in the world, not just the best American players. The talent pool is deeper now than ever before since it is drawing from a global pool. It is interesting to see the 2011 Finals invoked here but that would not have happened in the 80's because Dirk would have been playing in some unknown European league, not in the NBA. (Yeah, there were a handful of international players like Hakeem and Petrovic but now something like 20-25% of the league is from overseas)


Throw Lebron on this years Sixers or Bucks. They are not contenders.

I think they are. They wouldn't be favorites but Lebron would have them competitive. Who did he have while in Cleveland? Yet he was able to have the best record twice with them and reach the Finals another time.

[Solefade]

Throw Lebron on this years Sixers or Bucks. They are not contenders.


lol lebron makes any team a contender tbh being favorites to win is a different conversation.

[oh the horror]

lol lebron makes any team a contender tbh being favorites to win is a different conversation.


You're goin to sit there and tell me, a team like the bucks that won 15 games this season would now become one among several contenders to win a championship with the addition of Lebron?



Think about that dude. They won 15 games this season.

[97 bulls]

I think they are. They wouldn't be favorites but Lebron would have them competitive. Who did he have while in Cleveland? Yet he was able to have the best record twice with them and reach the Finals another time.
But was that saying much considering how weak the conference was. 23 year old Dwight Howard also took his team to the Finals in that span. And his second best player was Jameer Nelson. A shorter stockier Mo Williams. Who missed litterally half the season. Whats the difference?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

You're goin to sit there and tell me, a team like the bucks that won 15 games this season would now become one among several contenders to win a championship with the addition of Lebron?



Think about that dude. They won 15 games this season.
why are you so salty torwards lebron?? do you just not like him or is it because he already surpassed kobe:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[oh the horror]

Guys, I think Lebron is one of the best ever but some of you have crossed over into insanity.

[oh the horror]

why are you so salty torwards lebron?? do you just not like him or is it because he already surpassed kobe:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:


Bro, reload your responses. They're burning out the tape deck.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Guys, I think Lebron is one of the best ever but some of you have crossed over into insanity.

Same for the other side of stans, unfortunately

[Roundball_Rock]

But was that saying much considering how weak the conference was. 23 year old Dwight Howard also took his team to the Finals in that span. And his second best player was Jameer Nelson. A shorter stockier Mo Williams. Who missed litterally half the season. Whats the difference?

The Magic had a much stronger roster around Howard. They had all-star caliber players in Turkoglu, Lewis, Nelson. Nelson was hurt during most of the playoffs but Turk was a 17/5/5 player and Lewis an 18 ppg scorer.

[Solefade]

You're goin to sit there and tell me, a team like the bucks that won 15 games this season would now become one among several contenders to win a championship with the addition of Lebron?



Think about that dude. They won 15 games this season.


sit down and think about the team lebron took to the playoffs in his early career


eric snow
larry hughes
donyell marshall
jamario moon??
young andy verajao?

at least bucks got legitimate rim defenders and giannis

[PsychoBe]

sit down and think about the team lebron took to the playoffs in his early career


eric snow
larry hughes
donyell marshall
jamario moon??
young andy verajao?

at least bucks got legitimate rim defenders and giannis

who was his competition???

gilbert arenas wizards????

:roll: :roll: :roll:

the east is better now than it was back then which is sad within itself.

[Straight_Ballin]

I know that MJ is the GOAT, but the more I watch Lebron these days the more I think that he's a more dominant player than MJ.

Even more so when I watch Cavaliers Lebron videos, especially in 2009, he was godlike during those years.

How old are you?

This should be entertaining.

[Solefade]

who was his competition???

gilbert arenas wizards????

:roll: :roll: :roll:

the east is better now than it was back then which is sad within itself.


the best team in the east back then were nets and pistons...man what the hell would you know, you didnt start watching bball till 2010

[PsychoBe]

the best team in the east back then were nets and pistons...man what the hell would you know, you didnt start watching bball till 2010

nets pistons and pacers but the nets were the only contenders for the first two years of the century then the pistons and pacers and from 04-07' it pistons(04') heat(05-06) and then the cavs "upset" the pistons and the celtics big-3 from 08'-10 and now we're in the miami era.

point is the east was very top heavy but never had any depth to it just like now.

[SilkkTheShocker]

that's a good pic for threads cuz you have to scroll down until you see he's blind. Or I did.


LeBron isn't even that good. lol I keep sayin' it and people are like WAT. I mean he's good, but he's just not on that all-time greatest level. He's gonna have a resume, but in terms of actual talent, I dunno how people can say Bron is the GOAT. Some sad shit.


-Smak

You're literally always wrong though

[BlkMambaGOAT]

why are you so salty torwards lebron?? do you just not like him or is it because he already surpassed kobe:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
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[SamuraiSWISH]

It is not a coincidence the Bulls started winning when a pass-first player became the primary ball-handler
I think you mean the triangle offense.

Your agenda isn't that subtle, or gone unnoticed. A notorious poster attempting to diminish Jordan. There was no "primary ball-handler" on the championship Bulls team. It was done by comittee. Paxson, BJ, Pippen, Jordan, Harper, Brown, Kukoc, Kerr etc.

The nature of their offense required copious amounts of cutting, and ball movement. A playmaking PG, or Point Forward like LeBron who dominates the ball or creates off the dribble typically would suffer in Tex Winter's system.

[sportjames23]

I think you mean the triangle offense.

Your agenda isn't that subtle, or gone unnoticed. A notorious poster attempting to diminish Jordan. There was no "primary ball-handler" on the championship Bulls team. It was done by comittee. Paxson, BJ, Pippen, Jordan, Harper, Brown, Kukoc, Kerr etc.

The nature of their offense required copious amounts of cutting, and ball movement. A playmaking PG, or Point Forward like LeBron who dominates the ball or creates off the dribble typically would suffer in Tex Winter's system.


Thank you. You noticed how RBR tries to toss shade MJ's way every chance he gets, too, huh? He'll hype up Lebron, but tear down MJ. He ain't slick.

[Mr. Jabbar]

mods on collective vacations?

[BuffaloBill]

http://i.imgur.com/sf6lCE5.gif

[Roundball_Rock]

There was no "primary ball-handler" on the championship Bulls team.

What I meant was this:

*MJ led the Bulls in assists in 1985, 1988, 1989 and 1990. He was hurt for most of 1986 and in 1987 it was Paxson.
*Pippen led the Bulls in assists from 1991-1998.

That was a significant switch implemented along with the triangle. The purpose of the triangle was to create more ball movement. MJ led the league in FGA per game practically every year (more often than even Wilt) and is the all-time leader in FGA per game. Lebron has never led the league in FGA. Jordan averaged 23.3 FGA as a Bull along with 5.4 assists; Lebron has averaged 19.9 FGA for his career along with 6.9 assists. In Miami Lebron has averaged 18.2 FGA with 6.7 assists. You don't see a difference? :confusedshrug:


He'll hype up Lebron

I was a Lebron skeptic when I joined ISH (I had Wade as the league's best player in 2009). The fact is Lebron has a chance to surpass MJ. Why does that fact make MJ fans terrified? He still has a way to go and even then it will remain debatable but it is delusional to act as if Jordan is far and away better and that Lebron does not have a chance to surpass him. As to MJ, I have him in my top 5 of all-time and have him as the GOAT perimeter player. It is not as if I consider him a scrub.

The public GOAT torch is always passed. I warned MJ fans of this in 2009-2010, remember? I told you guys that over time the "Lebron is the GOAT" crowd would grow just like the "MJ is the GOAT" grew in the 80's and early 90's. MJ had 3 rings, 3 MVP's and was viewed as GOAT over people like Kareem who had double the MVP's and rings or Russell with 11 rings and 5 MVP's. There is a bias for the most recent "top-tier great" player--and a bias for who you saw. Add to that massive marketing machines, which no athlete has enjoyed as much as MJ, and it is easy to see how people like Russell and Kareem tend to be forgotten and Wilt ridiculed. You would think basketball started in 1980 or even 1990 reading much of this board. This is not an attack; it is a commentary. You could see the same thing on a NFL board. How many threads are there about Unitas or Van Brocklin?

This thread is a perfect example of what I projected half a decade ago--which MJ fans dismissed as impossible because no one could ever--ever--match what MJ did, the world would forever be frozen in 1998. See, to us MJ is real but to most of ISH MJ is as historical a figure as Kareem or Wilt are to us. People tend to lose track of how fast time flies in the historical sense. An incoming college freshman this year would have been 3 years old when Bill Clinton left the White House...to us people like Clinton, Jordan, prime Shaq are live figures but to an increasing number of people they are ancient history. Barring injury, the likely scenario is that 5 years from now most people will believe Lebron is the GOAT...

The same thing will happen to Lebron one day, though.

[Micku]

That is a fair point. In terms of team strength there was more competition in the 80's, at least at the top (remember, the Bulls made the playoffs as a 30 win team in one season :oldlol: ).

I just wanted to make a point here. It was a different era. I don't think it's laughable matter in a bad way or saying they were weak because of their record, but because of the relative era. Look at the Eastern and Western conference. Everybody was losing to each other. The sixth seed of the East only had 39 wins. The sixth seed in the West only had 40 wins. The talented Pistons only had 46 wins. The fifth seed in the west only had 42 wins.

Only six teams out of 23 teams in the NBA in 1986 got 50 wins or above. What does that show? I say hella competition from the non elite teams. Everybody were losing to each other except for the top tier teams. Those top tier teams were super stacked and some of the GOAT teams.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Thank you. You noticed how RBR tries to toss shade MJ's way every chance he gets, too, huh? He'll hype up Lebron, but tear down MJ. He ain't slick.
Guy is a clown, thinks he's subtle too. He isn't a Bulls fan. His whole agenda is anti-Jordan. It's been obvious for YEARS. He used to hype Kobe on the sly, now it's LeBron. Hyped up Pippen to ridiculous levels. When a Bulls fan clings to the 1994 team's success as the end all / be all argument. It's with agenda. Any Bulls fan who watched that season knew we out performed expectations due to people not taking us seriously sans Michael. The very next season before MJ showed up they were struggling to stay at .500. The very comment about "it not being a surprise the Bulls success came with the emergence of a distributor ball handler" tells me first hand he didn't even watch the championship Bulls. Or at least understand what he was watching. They didn't have a primary ball handler.

[Just2McFly]

Why do you repeat yourself in every thread, power glove?

Reality is not "nostalgia".. :oldlol:
You should know better... atlwhatever is not me.

[Roundball_Rock]

:roll: I basically did not even post on this board for several years. The "agenda" could not be that important if I had something like 30 posts in 3 years. Besides, aren't I "Fatal9"? What happened to that wacky conspiracy theory?


He used to hype Kobe on the sly, now it's LeBron.

I have not cared much for Kobe either way. In fact, Lakers fans at one point viewed me as a foe because I advocated for Amare.


Hyped up Pippen to ridiculous levels.

Yeah--you know, my favorite player of all-time, whose jersey I still have. :rolleyes: Not all of us jumped on the biggest bandwagon going (like you, from MJ straight to Kobe). Let me guess: your favorite football player is Tom Brady?


When a Bulls fan clings to the 1994 team's success as the end all / be all argument. It's with agenda.

To showcase how underrated Pippen is, especially by agenda-driven MJ fans who want to act as if MJ won all by himself.


Any Bulls fan who watched that season knew we out performed expectations due to people not taking us seriously sans Michael. The very next season before MJ showed up they were struggling to stay at .500.

This is agenda posting. Notice how he left out the part about Horace Grant's 15/11 and elite defense leaving after 1994? The biggest change between the 1994 and 1995 teams was the loss of Grant, which made them a weak rebounding team and weak in terms of interior defense. Why do you think they were so desperate, after a shellacking even after MJ returned at the hands of Shaq-Penny-Grant, to take on Rodman? Rodman was a huge risk at the time--that is why the Bulls got him for a scrub center. The Spurs could not get better value and were desperate to unload him. The Bulls, though, knew the reward was worth the risk because he corrected their biggest weakness.

Regarding the 1994 Bulls, more spin. The 94' Bulls were in contention for the top seed pretty much all season. The idea that they snuck up on anyone is laughable. I think they even had the best record in the East at the all-star break.


They didn't have a primary ball handler.

Who brought the ball up the court, had the ball the most and led them in assists every year (during the years they were winning championships)? Primary simply means more than the secondary and tertiary. I am not saying it was a Chris Paul-type scenario.

Regarding being a Bulls fan, Samuri is the only Bulls "fan" who thinks the Hue Hollins call was legitimate--all because he cannot fathom the idea of the Bulls advancing in the absence of that call without MJ.

I was a MJ supporter until I came to ISH and met his fans en masse. It will be a joy to watch them squirm as Lebron surpasses MJ as the public GOAT. It is hilarious to see it already happening when Lebron is not even close yet! :lol

[JUDGE WITNESS]

mj mythologists shook :lol

[bukowski81]

Jordan Mythologists/Nostalgists are a funny, insecure group.

Not as funny as the dudes that started watching in 2011.

And its not Jordan mythologists, the vast majority of people thinks that Jordan is better than Lebron. Only people that think Lebron as an argument are his stans, people that just follow him and not basketball.

[Roundball_Rock]

And its not Jordan mythologists, the vast majority of people thinks that Jordan is better than Lebron.

Will that be the case in 5 years? I don't think so. This is what terrifies MJ stans. Kobe could have done it but just did not have that top-tier level of greatness. MJ stans dodged that bullet but Lebron is the most formidable threat to MJ's status as the public GOAT that there has ever been.



Only people that think Lebron as an argument are his stans, people that just follow him and not basketball.

4-5 years ago no one thought he did. It was assumed that he may reach the top 5 but that no one would ever come close to MJ. That is rapidly changing...every season as Lebron keeps adding to his legacy...and people like Samuri know it and are terrified. :pimp:

[bukowski81]

Will that be the case in 5 years? I don't think so. This is what terrifies MJ stans. Kobe could have done it but just did not have that top-tier level of greatness. MJ stans dodged that bullet but Lebron is the most formidable threat to MJ's status as the public GOAT that there has ever been.




4-5 years ago no one thought he did. It was assumed that he may reach the top 5 but that no one would ever come close to MJ. That is rapidly changing...every season as Lebron keeps adding to his legacy...and people like Samuri know it and are terrified. :pimp:

Maybe you are right and in 5 years he will have a case, highly unlikely IMO, but anything can happen. But to say that he already is better, or that is really close like some people here are saying is just ridiculous.

[zoom17]

almost 300 replies:lebronamazed:

[ihoopallday]

After reading some of the responses in this thread, I actually realized I'm not even that big of a LeBron stan. The length some of you will go to defend your favorite player is astonishing. :eek: It's really not that big of a deal.

[Roundball_Rock]

Maybe you are right and in 5 years he will have a case, highly unlikely IMO, but anything can happen. But to say that he already is better, or that is really close like some people here are saying is just ridiculous.

I don't think anyone is saying Lebron is better than Jordan all-time. What some are saying is that Lebron is a better player than Jordan was and/or that Lebron could wind up as the most decorated player of all-time when it is all said and done.

Lebron already has 4 MVP's (Jordan had 5) and 2 rings. If he finishes with, say, 6-7 MVP's and 4-5 rings why would he not have a legitimate case as the GOAT? The GOAT is a subject of debate but it would be hard to say Lebron would not at least have a case if that is what he finishes his career with. It is not unrealistic that he wins 2-3 more rings and 2-3 more MVP's.

Time works for Lebron. Everyone watching basketball today has seen Lebron play; there is an increasing percentage of the basketball world who has not seen Jordan play and that will hurt him over time just as it has hurt Kareem vis-a-vis Jordan, even though Kareem has 6 MVP's and 6 rings and was the most dominant college and high school player ever as well (in other words, the greatest of all time).

Lebron could fall off or just fall short but he has all the potential to overtake Kareem, Jordan, Shaq, Russell, Wilt.

[bukowski81]

I don't think anyone is saying Lebron is better than Jordan all-time. What some are saying is that Lebron is a better player than Jordan was and/or that Lebron could wind up as the most decorated player of all-time when it is all said and done.

Lebron already has 4 MVP's (Jordan had 5) and 2 rings. If he finishes with, say, 6-7 MVP's and 4-5 rings why would he not have a legitimate case as the GOAT? The GOAT is a subject of debate but it would be hard to say Lebron would not at least have a case if that is what he finishes his career with. It is not unrealistic that he wins 2-3 more rings and 2-3 more MVP's.

Time works for Lebron. Everyone watching basketball today has seen Lebron play; there is an increasing percentage of the basketball world who has not seen Jordan play and that will hurt him over time just as it has hurt Kareem vis-a-vis Jordan, even though Kareem has 6 MVP's and 6 rings and was the most dominant college and high school player ever as well (in other words, the greatest of all time).

Lebron could fall off or just fall short but he has all the potential to overtake Kareem, Jordan, Shaq, Russell, Wilt.

Thats what I think is just not right. Accolades aside I dont think Lebron has an argument to be considered a better player than Jordan. He has to do extraordinary things, more extraordinary than what he has already done, the rest of his career to be considered a better player IMO.

And I do think Lebron is great, one of the greatest players I have ever seen without a doubt, but I just dont think he is the greatest of all time, regardless if you consider accolades or not.

[DaSeba5]

LeBron stans, Kobe stans, MJ stans, KD stans all going at it... it's like one big collective shit storm. :lol

[TheMan]

Roundball Rock, you're full of shit.

The overwhelming majority of ISH considers MJ > LBJ and it's not even close. Only his minority of stans believe otherwise.

There most likely will someday be a player that surpasses MJ, I hope to see that but unless Bran goes on to win 7 FMVPs, he ain't gonna be it.

This is a guy who was a Ray Allen miracle trey from being 1-3 in the Finals and had the worst Finals for a superstar in 2011. :oldlol:

Just get the fvck outta here with that GOAT shit, you nikkas have low standards if you really believe Bran is the GOAT :facepalm

Let him earn it, y'all a bunch of eager fakkits :oldlol:

[Rodmantheman]

LeBron stans, Kobe stans, MJ stans, KD stans all going at it... it's like one big collective shit storm. :lol

:lol

[TheMan]

Roundball Rock, another thing, pick LeBron's best Finals stats and compare them against not MJ's best but his FIRST Finals stats and come back to me and say with a straight face Bran is better :rolleyes:

fvcking fake Bulls fan

[SamuraiSWISH]

fvcking fake Bulls fan
:oldlol:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Roundball_Rock laying down the ether to these MJ stans :lol

[TheMan]

Roundball_Rock laying down the ether to these MJ stans :lol
He's getting it hard, dumbass :oldlol:

Go ahead, Bran stan, pick LeBron's best Finals performance and compare it to just Jordan's first Finals. Yeah, I'm saying this will be ignored by HoopsFanNumero1 and other Bran stans. Gonna avoid it like the plague :oldlol:

Let the butthurt flow

[JUDGE WITNESS]

mj 1-9 in playoff games without pippen

meanwhile lebron taking booby and pavlovic to the finals :lol

[HoopsFanNumero1]

He's getting it hard, dumbass :oldlol:

Go ahead, Bran stan, pick LeBron's best Finals performance and compare it to just Jordan's first Finals. Yeah, I'm saying this will be ignored by HoopsFanNumero1 and other Bran stans. Gonna avoid it like the plague :oldlol:

Let the butthurt flow

When did I say Lebron's better than Jordan right now? For that matter, when did Roundball_Rock ? :confusedshrug: You Jordan stans are too insecure.

And now that your moronic post was not ignored, I guess it can be concluded you're an idiot.

[tpols]

He's getting it hard, dumbass :oldlol:

Go ahead, Bran stan, pick LeBron's best Finals performance and compare it to just Jordan's first Finals. Yeah, I'm saying this will be ignored by HoopsFanNumero1 and other Bran stans. Gonna avoid it like the plague :oldlol:

Let the butthurt flow

How are their first and best finals performances the end all be all for a career comparison? Its just a little piece.. doesnt really prove much.

[Kvnzhangyay]

When did I say Lebron's better than Jordan right now? For that matter, when did Roundball_Rock ? :confusedshrug: You Jordan stans are too insecure.

And now that your moronic post was not ignored, I guess it can be concluded you're an idiot.

Ouch #wrekt :applause: :applause:

[TheMan]

When did I say Lebron's better than Jordan right now? For that matter, when did Roundball_Rock ? :confusedshrug: You Jordan stans are too insecure.

And now that your moronic post was not ignored, I guess it can be concluded you're an idiot.
You have said LeBron is better right now, I exposed you. Now you backtracking, I win...

Get back in my pocket

My work is done here...:pimp:

[SilkkTheShocker]

You have said LeBron is better right now, I exposed you. Now you backtracking, I win...

Get back in my pocket

My work is done here...:pimp:

Your work here is too suck off Jordan because your team is absolutely irrelevant? Some life you have :oldlol: You're two dads must be proud :applause:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

You have said LeBron is better right now, I exposed you. Now you backtracking, I win...

Get back in my pocket

My work is done here...:pimp:

That whole exchange from you was cringe-worthy.

[sportjames23]

Roundball Rock, another thing, pick LeBron's best Finals stats and compare them against not MJ's best but his FIRST Finals stats and come back to me and say with a straight face Bran is better :rolleyes:

fvcking fake Bulls fan


Right there.

Hell, put Lebron's best Finals against MJ's worst and MJ STILL comes out looking better.

[SilkkTheShocker]

That whole exchange from you was cringe-worthy.

sounded like a cry for help.

Pathetic :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

mj 1-9 in playoff games without pippen

meanwhile lebron taking booby and pavlovic to the finals :lol


Lebron 0-1 in the Finals without Wade. Lebron also missed the playoffs for the first two years of his career in the weak ass East.

[Rasheed1]

I love Lebron's game.. He is a monster

[JUDGE WITNESS]

Lebron 0-1 in the Finals without Wade. Lebron also missed the playoffs for the first two years of his career in the weak ass East.
at least when he makes it with relatively less shi1tty teammates he never exits in the first :lol

[Mr. Jabbar]

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I love Lebron's game.. He is a monster

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lebron 0-1 in the Finals without Wade. Lebron also missed the playoffs for the first two years of his career in the weak ass East.

Didn't Jordan make it to the postseason with like 35 wins one year? :oldlol:

[Rasheed1]

if by "he isnt there yet" you mean he will never sniff mj greatness even if hes born again then yes, by all means


:confusedshrug: If thats how you feel about it? I won't argue.. Mj built a huge resume and Lebron still has a lot of work to do.. But Im gonna wait until his career ends to pass judgement

[TheMarkMadsen]

Remember when in the finals they begged MJ to shoot wide open perimeter jumpers?

Neither do I.


Hold up, I do remember the blazers letting MJ shoot threes for a half.

Anybody remember the result?

[Roundball_Rock]

Didn't Jordan make it to the postseason with like 35 wins one year? :oldlol:

38, 30 (granted MJ played only 18 games. They were 9-9 in those games) and 40 wins. How many all-time top 10 players took four years to get out the first round? Jordan is the only top 10 player whose record receives no scrutiny. When he had a great team he contended--but where was he outside that? This is the biggest difference between Jordan and Lebron imo. Lebron can go on any team and make them contenders. Hell, he came straight from high school and improved a 17 win team to 35 wins. MJ came from UNC and the Bulls improved only 11 games (27 wins to 38, by far the least improvement of any GOAT caliber player).

[livinglegend]

38, 30 (granted MJ played only 18 games. They were 9-9 in those games) and 40 wins. How many all-time top 10 players took four years to get out the first round? Jordan is the only top 10 player whose record receives no scrutiny. When he had a great team he contended--but where was he outside that? This is the biggest difference between Jordan and Lebron imo. Lebron can go on any team and make them contenders. Hell, he came straight from high school and improved a 17 win team to 35 wins. MJ came from UNC and the Bulls improved only 11 games (27 wins to 38, by far the least improvement of any GOAT caliber player).
:applause: :applause:

[Angel Face]

I posted this in the other thread before, I'll post it again. There's a reason why MJ is the consensus GOAT. Watching MJ dominate every night especially during playoffs gives chills to the fans and fear among his opponents. That's how good he is. He's so fundamentally sound, so fast and athletic. It's like watching a surgeon perform when you see him play. Killer instinct, killer in clutch and moves gracefully. An assassin on the court, a ballet of violence. He can destroy and dominate anyone if he likes to. He's one of the smartest players to play the game. He usually outsmarts his opponents. Not only he dominates his opponents on the offensive end but he's a more dangerous defensive player, a terror in the passing lanes and can shut down anyone. MJ will not only destroy you but will also humiliate you. MJ destroys his opponents physically an mentally.

Lebron is good no doubt. I don't like him but this time I'm not gonna be biased. Lebron will be good at any era you put him. He's an athletic freak and has one of the best bball IQ's out there. For his position, he's an excellent play maker and could bully his way into the basket due to his size and strength. He's a good scorer and a great player overall. What's lacking in him his killer instinct, he can dominate anyone but not destroy. His mental game has developed since his disappointment against Mavs, but still not that great and it's not close the MJ mental game.

Some people here say that Lebron's a better rebounder than MJ. I doubt it. It's because his position allows him to play nearer to the basket. MJ is a better rebounder than Lebron imo, for a guard he averaged 6.2 rpg in his career including his Wizards days while Lebron averaged 7.2. The only advantage of Lebron is his passing, size and strength. He plays like a point guard for his size and has a great court vision. Athleticism, MJ takes this. Prime MJ was so fast and has the quickest 1st step that has ever played the game. His vertical leap during his prime is insane. The reason he blocks well for a guard. And scoring, MJ is the most dominant scorer ever. Lebron can be a good scorer but he prefers to get his team mates involved 1st. Lebron is more of a team player while MJ is a one man wrecking machine.

All in all MJ>Lebron. Also, MJ played in a tougher era.

[Derivative]

LOL at you fakkits thinking Lebron is actually better than MJ :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lettuce be real tea, Lebron is not even on the same tier as MJ:rockon: :rockon:

http://newnation.sg/wp-content/uploads/get-trolled-3.jpg

[Angel Face]

LOL at you fakkits thinking Lebron is actually better than MJ :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lebron is not even on the same tier as MJ:rockon: :rockon:

http://newnation.sg/wp-content/uploads/get-trolled-3.jpg

:oldlol:

Asshole, you made me think that you actually believed Lebron is better than MJ. Glad you didn't fall into the abyss.

[Derivative]

:oldlol:

Asshole, you made me think that you actually believed Lebron is better than MJ. Glad you didn't fall into the abyss.

I don't fall into the abyss, I make the abyss.

[Prometheus]

LOL at you fakkits thinking Lebron is actually better than MJ :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lettuce be real tea, Lebron is not even on the same tier as MJ:rockon: :rockon:

http://newnation.sg/wp-content/uploads/get-trolled-3.jpg

I doubt more than 3-5 posters in this thread actually believed your original post. I knew it was sarcastic, but it gave me the opportunity to argue with others who actually believe what you said. LeBron is great, I love his game and I will root for him until the day he retires, but he is no Michael Jordan. No one is.

[Derivative]

LOL at you fakkits thinking Lebron is actually better than MJ :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lettuce be real tea, Lebron is not even on the same tier as MJ:rockon: :rockon:

http://newnation.sg/wp-content/uploads/get-trolled-3.jpg

:coleman:

[TheMan]

OP trolled the Bran stans and they took it hook, line and sinker.
:applause:

Will bump when Bran/Heat eventually lose this postseason :oldlol:

[Derivative]

lol i remember this

[SupermanOnSteroids]

The more i watch Lebron the more I am starting to think he's trying too hard to follow MJ. But he's not that good.


edit: get it? this is the thread title but corrected.

[305Baller]

2/5

[riseagainst]

OP is a ph.ag