Has An MVP Been Carried Like This Before in Postseason

[SilkkTheShocker]

Westbrook legit took over the game with FT35 on the bench. This MVP award is looking more and more like a joke every game.

[JohnFreeman]

17 points on 18% fg :roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

this is disgusting.
first the refs then westbrook.
how much help does KD need:biggums:

[Trollsmasher]

this is disgusting.
first the refs then westbrook.
how much help does KD need:biggums:
don't forget about reggie

[SilkkTheShocker]

Just an absolute joke. Durant isn't even the leader of his own ****ing team, plays crap defense, and has gotten shutdown by midgets all postseason.

Aside from that he has been just ****ing great :applause:

[Milbuck]

What the **** goes through these guys heads when they're slumping like this? I can understand clumsy, unathletic, thoroughly mediocre players like Hibbert having awful stretches....but Durant is on a god-tier in terms of physical gifts. He's 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan, with guard-like quickness, speed, athleticism. He has terrific handles for his size and a deadly jumper. Have we ever seen anyone like him? Literally NO ONE should be able to guard him on the court, yet he struggles with 6'4" Tony Allen and 6'0" Chris Paul. Just absurd. I shudder to think what he would've done in a much tougher defensive era gainst guys like prime Pippen, Bowen, Cooper, Moncrief, etc.

[Beastmode88]

Stats are from playing 1v5 and scoring as much as KD can. This is why the Thunder won't be able to beat miami. No one else outside KD and RW is actually playing. :facepalm

[CelticBaller]

Kobe in 08

[Warfan]

What the **** goes through these guys heads when they're slumping like this? I can understand clumsy, unathletic, thoroughly mediocre players like Hibbert having awful stretches....but Durant is on a god-tier in terms of physical gifts. He's 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan, with guard-like quickness, speed, athleticism. He has terrific handles for his size and a deadly jumper. Have we ever seen anyone like him? Literally NO ONE should be able to guard him on the court, yet he struggles with 6'4" Tony Allen and 6'0" Chris Paul. Just absurd. I shudder to think what he would've done in a much tougher defensive era gainst guys like prime Pippen, Bowen, Cooper, Moncrief, etc.

In the 90's he'd be a taller, less clutch reggie miller.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kobe in 08

Good call :oldlol:

[tpols]

What the **** goes through these guys heads when they're slumping like this? I can understand clumsy, unathletic, thoroughly mediocre players like Hibbert having awful stretches....but Durant is on a god-tier in terms of physical gifts. He's 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan, with guard-like quickness, speed, athleticism. He has terrific handles for his size and a deadly jumper. Have we ever seen anyone like him? Literally NO ONE should be able to guard him on the court, yet he struggles with 6'4" Tony Allen and 6'0" Chris Paul. Just absurd. I shudder to think what he would've done in a much tougher defensive era gainst guys like prime Pippen, Bowen, Cooper, Moncrief, etc.

hes not strong though.. playoffs are physical and being tall wont get you position.

[Black and White]

I don't know what the hell is wrong with him, but he is straight up playing like a bum,

hes making Rose's MVP look legit.

[Draz]

This is terrible to watch

[Quizno]

Kobe in 08
30/6/6/2 on 47% shooting

your post gave me cancer

[ArbitraryWater]

Good call :oldlol:

With all due respect, grand master Silkk, allow me to chime in and say that Kobe was amazing in 2008.

[Natureland]

This was his first bad game in 6 games. Why are people acting like he's averaging 15/3/2 on 23% shooting numbers this series? :biggums:

[JUDGE WITNESS]

okc offense: iso iso iso chuck

[DMAVS41]

This is why having a true blown superstar as your 2nd option...

It's just a different level of help. It's why people count Kobe's 00, 01, and 02 rings (especially 00) differently. As we should, the margin for error for Durant on a nightly basis with this team is absurd.

He's basically played 3 series defining close games in the playoffs so far...games 4 and 5 against the Grizzlies and last night;

He's 21 of 67 shooting with 13 turnovers and he's missed 5 free throws as well.

The fact that the Thunder have won 2 of those games....and all of them were close....just shows you how stacked this Thunder team really is in relation to the competition they are playing.

Like I said...the margin of error is just huge for Durant on this Thunder team...and everyone acting like they have no chance to win because Durant needs more better own up and admit he has enough.

[red1]

Durant is overrated as f*ck. Retards on this forum were actually trying to convince us that he is better than lebron earlier in the season. Get real. Even his own mother knows that her son doesnt measure up.

[red1]

kobe>>

[LeBron 06]

KD is very lucky in the playoffs...That's two must-win that OKC win in the playoffs(game 4 vs Memphis,game 5 vs LAC) despite a awful game by KD

In 2010, LeBron had a bad game in game 5 against the celtics and the cavs lost by 32 points

[Marchesk]

Durant is overrated as f*ck. Retards on this forum were actually trying to convince us that he is better than lebron earlier in the season. Get real. Even his own mother knows that her son doesnt measure up.

He was during the regular season. Typical ISH overreaction :facepalm

[TheMan]

If KD had a real coach who ran something resembling an offense...

Scotty Brooks is easily the worst HC in the playoffs.

[red1]

He was during the regular season. Typical ISH overreaction :facepalm
I didnt even watch the game. I am just trolling his retarded fanboys on this board.

[TheMan]

okc offense: iso iso iso chuck
That's on Brooks doe

[red1]

durant is pure garbage. most overrated player in the history of sports

[tmacattack33]

This was his first bad game in 6 games. Why are people acting like he's averaging 15/3/2 on 23% shooting numbers this series? :biggums:

The game where Chris Paul shut him down at the end was not a good one. 8 turnovers, and two of them were down the stretch leading to easy LAC points.

And I didn't even watch most of the first four so I'm sure one or two of those was probably bad as well.

[SilkkTheShocker]

If KD had a real coach who ran something resembling an offense...

Scotty Brooks is easily the worst HC in the playoffs.

Randy Wittman is really bad

[ThatCoolKid]

durant is pure garbage. most overrated player in the history of sports

At least he has a jump shot unlike Lebrick.

[TheMan]

Randy Wittman is really bad
Ok, one of the worst :lol

[SHABBA]

I've genuinely never seen Durant play well.

[red1]

At least he has a jump shot unlike Lebrick.
still a bitch doe

[Fudge]

Still the best player in the world. Just a bad game is all.

[DMAVS41]

KD is very lucky in the playoffs...That's two must-win that OKC win in the playoffs(game 4 vs Memphis,game 5 vs LAC) despite a awful game by KD

In 2010, LeBron had a bad game in game 5 against the celtics and the cavs lost by 32 points

Exactly.

This is why it gets so hard to compare things.

Lebron/Dirk/Kobe have taken so much shit in the basketball world and on here for some series. Dirk in 07, Kobe in 04, Lebron in 10....

Dirk played two shit games in the 07 series...his team lost by 12 and 25 respectively

Kobe played a shit series in 04 finals...his team lost by double digits in 3 of the 4 losses

Lebron had his terrible game 5....his team gets blown the **** out



It's just absurd how lucky it is to win the two biggest games of the playoffs so far for the Thunder with the supposed best player playing like that...and the worst part is that Durant fans are constantly saying he doesn't have enough help.

[DMAVS41]

Since 1986

A starting player in the playoffs taking 20 or more shots and shooting 27.3% or worse with 2 or more turnovers;

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=1985&year_max=2014&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=W&is_starter=Y&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=fga&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=lt&c2val=.273&c3stat=tov&c3comp=gt&c3val=2&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

Only 19 times since 1986 has a starter won a playoff game playing like that.

Durant has done it twice in these playoffs alone...wow! And in easily the two biggest games of the playoffs that were in doubt for the Thunder as well.

[Rocketswin2013]

Since 1986

A starting player in the playoffs taking 20 or more shots and shooting 27.3% or worse with 2 or more turnovers;

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=1985&year_max=2014&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=W&is_starter=Y&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=fga&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=lt&c2val=.273&c3stat=tov&c3comp=gt&c3val=2&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts
I think so much less of him as a player now. No matter how far they go.


I always hate to root against a player but it's hard not to because I feel it's basketball justice for this guy to not win. No superstar/MVP caliber in NBA history has been able to get off the hook like this.

[Droid101]

I've genuinely never seen Durant play well.
uh

[SilkkTheShocker]

At least he has a jump shot unlike Lebrick.

2007 wants their post back :hammerhead:

[Solefade]

kobe >>>> KD

[Solefade]

2007 wants their post back :hammerhead:


:oldlol:

[Rocketswin2013]

This is an all-time bail out for a superstars playoff run people. We may never see bail outs like this again.

[guy]

This is why having a true blown superstar as your 2nd option...

It's just a different level of help. It's why people count Kobe's 00, 01, and 02 rings (especially 00) differently. As we should, the margin for error for Durant on a nightly basis with this team is absurd.

He's basically played 3 series defining close games in the playoffs so far...games 4 and 5 against the Grizzlies and last night;

He's 21 of 67 shooting with 13 turnovers and he's missed 5 free throws as well.

The fact that the Thunder have won 2 of those games....and all of them were close....just shows you how stacked this Thunder team really is in relation to the competition they are playing.

Like I said...the margin of error is just huge for Durant on this Thunder team...and everyone acting like they have no chance to win because Durant needs more better own up and admit he has enough.

Talent wise he definitely has enough. But the way this team plays is just way too erratic. Westbrook plays like a maniac. He can be great but also terrible, and it can ruin chemistry and how in-sync this team is. Durant and Westbrook way too many times play this "your turn, my turn" type of ball. Its not a big deal during the regular season when they're usually more talented then everyone else, but in the playoffs it is. Durant's still at fault as well for not being a more demanding leader when it comes to that. It also doesn't help that Scott Brooks doesn't know how to draw plays nor does it seems like he ever speaks up to Westbrook. He benched Westbrook once like 3 years ago, and then Westbrook put up a huge hissy fit, and ever since it seems like the coach just doesn't even bother. If you want to say Durant's not great enough to overcome that like maybe someone like Jordan or Lebron would be, thats fair. But either way, its not always just about talent. I will admit though, I can't remember a team that plays so much below their potential based on their talent.

[Cold soul]

I'll take peak Wade at this point over Durant. I've thought this for a while though.

[DMAVS41]

This is an all-time bail out for a superstars playoff run people. We may never see bail outs like this again.

Most of the games on that list weren't nearly as big of games.

Iverson in 01, Kobe in 10, Randolph/WB in 14, and Hardaway in 97...are really the only other big games in which stars got bailed out on the same level.

The fact that Durant has now had it happen twice...crazy

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Not only that but Westbrook has genuinely outplayed him in every game this series. I have no idea what happened.

[DMAVS41]

Talent wise he definitely has enough. But the way this team plays is just way too erratic. Westbrook plays like a maniac. He can be great but also terrible, and it can ruin chemistry and how in-sync this team is. Durant and Westbrook way too many times play this "your turn, my turn" type of ball. Its not a big deal during the regular season when they're usually more talented then everyone else, but in the playoffs it is. Durant's still at fault as well for not being a more demanding leader when it comes to that. It also doesn't help that Scott Brooks doesn't know how to draw plays nor does it seems like he ever speaks up to Westbrook. He benched Westbrook once like 3 years ago, and then Westbrook put up a huge hissy fit, and ever since it seems like the coach just doesn't even bother. If you want to say Durant's not great enough to overcome that like maybe someone like Jordan or Lebron would be, thats fair. But either way, its not always just about talent.

I'm not talking about just talent. I'm talking about how good this team actually is. They keep winning games despite KD or WB playing like shit...that just doesn't speak to a flawed team around your superstar.

A flawed team is when your superstar plays great and you lose big games to the Grizzlies/Clippers. But that isn't happening....in fact, the Thunder found a way to win game 4 against the Grizzlies on the road to save the season with Durant/WB being all time bad.

The Thunder are 5-2 in Durant's best 7 games of the playoffs...and 2-0 in his two worst.

Again, it's not just talent...this team is ****ing awesome and finds ways to win regardless of how KD and WB play.

So what you say just doesn't speak to reality. You are severely under-rating Durant's overall level of help and overall team strength.

You don't go 2-0 in the two biggest games of the playoffs shooting a combined 11 of 43 with 7 turnovers if you have a flawed team built around you. Just doesn't happen...

[CelticBaller]

30/6/6/2 on 47% shooting

your post gave me cancer
These stats tell me nothing, Gasol had more meaningful games and Ariza and fisher carried his ass


Could you post KDs stats and say the same?

[Solefade]

I'll take peak Wade at this point over Durant. I've thought this for a while though.


captain fvcking obvious :oldlol:

[CelticBaller]

I'll take peak Wade at this point over Durant. I've thought this for a while though.
D Whistle :oldlol:

[Keno]

never seen a star player get bailed out so much. durant is really like kobe is so many ways.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Could you post KDs stats and say the same?
No you can't. Hos raw stats only look passable because of how many minutes he plays per game. His PER is like 8ish points lower than the regular season.

[Cold soul]

captain fvcking obvious :oldlol:

:cheers:

[Cold soul]

D Whistle :oldlol:

Still better than Durant.

[CelticBaller]

No you can't. Hos raw stats only look passable because of how many minutes he plays per game. His PER is like 8ish points lower than the regular season.
Per is a meaningless stat

Next

[DMAVS41]

Per is a meaningless stat

Next

Dude...if you play 45 minutes and use up offensive possessions at the rate Durant does (23 shots per game and 10 ft's per game)...you are going to have great numbers overall if you are a superstar...

Especially in this soft as **** current NBA with bailout call after bailout call...

Durant's PER in the playoffs is actually way more indicative of his play than his numbers...

[Solefade]

durant is as soft as baby shit

[Mr. Jabbar]

lol pick any of the miami heat bran runs

they take turns to carry houdini

[DFish24]

lol pick any of the miami heat bran runs

they take turns to carry houdini

His houdini act in 2011 was too good for his star teammates to carry him to a title.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Per is a meaningless stat

Next

It is a meaningless stat when comparing 2 players who play a completely different style of game. However, it is not meaningless when comparing how the very same players plays in the Post-Season in comparison with the Regular-Season.


However, if you insist:

Per 36 Regular Season
30/7/5 ON 64% ts

Per 36 Post Season
25/7/3 ON 56% ts

[guy]

I'm not talking about just talent. I'm talking about how good this team actually is. They keep winning games despite KD or WB playing like shit...that just doesn't speak to a flawed team around your superstar.

A flawed team is when your superstar plays great and you lose big games to the Grizzlies/Clippers. But that isn't happening....in fact, the Thunder found a way to win game 4 against the Grizzlies on the road to save the season with Durant/WB being all time bad.

The Thunder are 5-2 in Durant's best 7 games of the playoffs...and 2-0 in his two worst.

Again, it's not just talent...this team is ****ing awesome and finds ways to win regardless of how KD and WB play.

So what you say just doesn't speak to reality. You are severely under-rating Durant's overall level of help and overall team strength.

You don't go 2-0 in the two biggest games of the playoffs shooting a combined 11 of 43 with 7 turnovers if you have a flawed team built around you. Just doesn't happen...

I think you're missing my point. They're as good as they are almost strictly because of the talent they have, which is amazing because they've been a very successful team, and have done it almost strictly on talent. But they are so flawed everywhere else i.e. execution, decision-making, coaching, leadership that they don't play nearly as well as they could. I think a big reason both KD and WB have such bad games at times is because they don't really mesh well, and the coach doesn't seem to do anything to solve that issue. Its pretty much the same problem as the 2011 Heat who were also still very successful. The biggest difference is they only took a year to figure it out. This team's core is going on their 5th season and they still have the same problems. Talent can get them pretty far, but ultimately there's no way I think they can ever win a title like this.

For example, you brought up that game 4 where they won with Reggie Jackson going crazy and both Durant and Westbrook playing like garbage. Obviously that shows they have a significant amount of help. Someone like Reggie Jackson could probably be a 15-20 ppg scorer on another team. Yet for some reason they don't utilize him nearly as well as they could from game to game. Thats an indictment on their coach, ball-dominant PG, and best player.

[smoovegittar]

Maybe Sterling should start crying...

[DMAVS41]

I think you're missing my point. They're as good as they are almost strictly because of the talent they have, which is amazing because they've been a very successful team, and have done it almost strictly on talent. But they are so flawed everywhere else i.e. execution, decision-making, coaching, leadership that they don't play nearly as well as they could. I think a big reason both KD and WB have such bad games at times is because they don't really mesh well, and the coach doesn't seem to do anything to solve that issue. Its pretty much the same problem as the 2011 Heat who were also still very successful. The biggest difference is they only took a year to figure it out. This team's core is going on their 5th season and they still have the same problems. Talent can get them pretty far, but ultimately there's no way I think they can ever win a title like this.

For example, you brought up that game 4 where they won with Reggie Jackson going crazy and both Durant and Westbrook playing like garbage. Obviously that shows they have a significant amount of help. Someone like Reggie Jackson could probably be a 15-20 ppg scorer on another team. Yet for some reason they don't utilize him nearly as well as they could from game to game. Thats an indictment on their coach, ball-dominant PG, and best player.

Meh...no team is perfect.

If Durant plays great...they are as good as or better than any team in league.

No excuses...until I see Durant play absolutely great in the playoffs and they lose...I'm not going to go hard on the help. Should be at home right now if not for a stacked squad.

[Black Mamba's B]

Kobe in 08
:biggums:

[Ball So Harden]

What is the usage rate of these players?

[riseagainst]

Kobe in 08

:roll:

went full tard.

[Deuce Bigalow]

17 points on 18% fg :roll:
27 on 27%fg

You just gonna ignore that he hit 2 big 3s and 4 other points in the last couple minutes?