Tony Brothers explains the out of bounds call

[Ancient Legend]

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SMH

[JohnFreeman]

Bullshit.

[NumberSix]

Yet, at the end of game 4 against Memphis, the ball clearly going out on Durant was somehow conclusive enough to OVERTURN the call on the floor and give it to OKC? Weird how these strange calls always favor OKC.

[Ancient Legend]

Bullshit.

Kenny Smith took that same stance, that it was inconclusive :facepalm

[Ancient Legend]

Well it was inconclusive.. and also according to the rule book on TNT, it would still be OKC ball even if Reggie touched it last seeing as the defender hit the hand that the ball went out of.

The ball went out of Reggie's right hand, while Barnes hit his left hand, so no.

[JohnFreeman]

Kenny Smith took that same stance, that it was inconclusive :facepalm
Kenny Smith is a role player, who cares what they think.

[NumberSix]

Kenny Smith took that same stance, that it was inconclusive :facepalm
And Barkley said "come on kenny. That was conclusive". Ernie was also on Charles' side.


Let's stop bullshitting around. The league is pushing OKC and the refs are always looking to give them any benefit they can.

[Ancient Legend]

And Barkley said "come on kenny. That was conclusive". Ernie was also on Charles' side.

Kenny always sides with the officials and the NBA, I clearly remember when he said Amare and Diaw should be suspended straight away in 2007 vs the Spurs.

[Inferno]

Rule No. 12 - Fouls and Penalties
B. - Personal Foul
Section I - Types
e. "Contact which occurs on the hand of an offensive player, while that hand is in contact with the ball, is legal."

[nba_55]

Barnes didnt even touch the ball.

[oarabbus]

Why are people bitching about this call? Barnes fouled Jackson. If the refs called it properly it would have been OKC ball anyway.

[Trollsmasher]

It was off Jackson and it was not a foul on Barnes

Simply a completly bullshit call

[nba_55]

Kenny always sides with the officials and the NBA, I clearly remember when he said Amare and Diaw should be suspended straight away in 2007 vs the Spurs.

He was making a fool of himself today on TNT. The replays clearly showed that it was off Jackson and he was still denying it.

[Ancient Legend]

How about you show me the frame where it clearly shows that.. it's hilarious just how swayed people are by commentators like Kerr. Use your own head and stop the herd mentality.

http://giant.gfycat.com/InfamousThickDutchsmoushond.gif

After the foul, the ball was still going backwards, towards Reggie, would the ball then magically change directions and go forward out of bounds without Jackson's right hand doing it. You can clearly see it unless you have an agenda.

[konex]

Well it was inconclusive.. and also according to the rule book on TNT, it would still be OKC ball even if Reggie touched it last seeing as the defender hit the hand that the ball went out of.


Rule No. 12 - Fouls and Penalties
B. - Personal Foul
Section I - Types
e. "Contact which occurs on the hand of an offensive player, while that hand is in contact with the ball, is legal."


:no:

[finchyyy]

Rig City

[NumberSix]

Rule No. 12 - Fouls and Penalties
B. - Personal Foul
Section I - Types
e. "Contact which occurs on the hand of an offensive player, while that hand is in contact with the ball, is legal."
Part of the ball. No foul.

Call it was it is. Refs wanted to give OKC a chance to win the game. They always give them the benefit whenever they can.

[JohnFreeman]

Why are people bitching about this call? Barnes fouled Jackson. If the refs called it properly it would have been OKC ball anyway.
What foul?

[Ancient Legend]

Why are people bitching about this call? Barnes fouled Jackson. If the refs called it properly it would have been OKC ball anyway.

Because the same thing happened to Chris Paul vs the Warriors and they applied the rule correctly then, but not this time.

Besides make up calls are illegal and this is a blatant one.

[NumberSix]

Again where is the frame that clearly shows it?

That gif shows again that it was inconclusive, ball doesn't change trajectory after Barnes swingthrough motion - and even if it did go off of Reggie's left hand it's still OKC ball by letter of the rule book.
You understand that Barnes literally never touched the ball, right?

Show me a frame where Barnes touches the ball

[9erempiree]

Rules are rules and the refs made a great call.

You cannot say it is rigged when the rules are written years ago.

[NumberSix]

Rules are rules and the refs made a great call.

You cannot say it is rigged when the rules are written years ago.
This^ is exactly how you know they made the wrong call

[Magic 32]

Bullshit.

http://lobshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/magic-loogie.jpg

[Micku]

Again where is the frame that clearly shows it?

That gif shows again that it was inconclusive, ball doesn't change trajectory after Barnes swingthrough motion - and even if it did go off of Reggie's left hand it's still OKC ball by letter of the rule book.

It was the right hand I think. Barnes touched the left hand, and it went off Jackson's right hand. I think that if the ball went off of Jackson's left hand then it has a better case? In this case, I think Barnes touched his left hand, and it went off his right.

You can say that he had the ball with both hands tho.

[dunksby]

Not surprising stans who whine about refs 24/7 donno shit about the rule book.

[NumberSix]

http://i61.tinypic.com/15q3zo3.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[nba_55]

You asked, I delivered:

http://i61.tinypic.com/15q3zo3.jpg

Now show me the frame where it touches Reggie's right hand.

You cant be serious with this.

[Solefade]

You asked, I delivered:

http://i61.tinypic.com/15q3zo3.jpg

Now show me the frame where it touches Reggie's right hand.


:roll: :roll:

the trajectory of the ball clearly changes and refs have definitely considered that in the past and it's also going the opposite way that barnes is reaching...this was an easy call man

[NumberSix]

:roll: :roll:

the trajectory of the ball clearly changes and refs have definitely considered that in the past and it's also going the opposite way that barnes is reaching...this was an easy call man
It's possible that after the ball left Jackson's right hand, Barnes' invisible 3rd hand touched it.

[Ancient Legend]

:roll: :roll:

the trajectory of the ball clearly changes and refs have definitely considered that in the past and it's also going the opposite way that barnes is reaching...this was an easy call man

This.

But you are arguing with someone with Down Syndrome.

[dunksby]

:roll: :roll:

the trajectory of the ball clearly changes and refs have definitely considered that in the past and it's also going the opposite way that barnes is reaching...this was an easy call man
Do you even comprehend the basics of physics? You know you just need a working brain and life experience of a child to realize the ball trajectory is in correspondence with Barnes' hit.

[toxicxr6]

You can't be this dumb.. it was a 50/50 call, inconclusive. and you compound that with the blatant foul by Barnes, I'd have to give that to OKC.

So you just completely ignore the rule that says a touch on the hand while on the ball is NOT a foul? That's what the rule book says... So your wrong it wasn't a foul at all

Then you are wrong again.. The speed of the ball CLEARLY increases AFTER Barnes makes contact to the hand..

The only people that say it's inconclusive are
1. Thunder fans
2. Refs
3. Miami haters

Anyone with half a brain can make the correct call there..

Yes clippers made mistakes but the refs fked them as bad as I have ever witnessed

[sd3035]

excellent call :applause: :applause:

[Solefade]

Do you even comprehend the basics of physics? You know you just need a working brain and life experience of a child to realize the ball trajectory is in correspondence with Barnes' hit.


except he never touched the ball you fggt

[Trollsmasher]

except he never touched the ball you fggt
and his swing also went the exactly opposite way:lol

[Force]

It was clearly off Jackson. Any ref who says it's inconclusive should be fired. That's his job and he did it completely wrong.

[AintNoSunshine]

No need to argue about this anymore, any fair minded people with at least one good eye knows what happened.

[hahaitme]

Funniest part of all of this was Reggie Jackson's massive flop. Yeah he got fouled by really, flailing like that? And now it's being replayed everywhere in slow mo :roll:

[9erempiree]

Again, technically the ball went off Jackson, but to be more precise under the rules of the NBA, it is OKC ball.

There is a reason why they are refs and we are not. We would have made the wrong call because we didn't read the NBA rule book and assume that it was Clippper ball.

To be sure? We go and look at the replay and more evidence was shown. Barnes commits a foul that causes the opposing player to lose the ball out of bounds. OKC ball. The refs did nothing to mess up what they saw on replay.

The only thing they messed up is they should have called a foul on Barnes and not have to look at replay. Then again, the game is too fast to see with the normal eye. This is what replay is for. To help and in this instance it was useful.

[9erempiree]

Per NBA:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnkfFTrIMAEzJtv.png

[hahaitme]

Why aren't they allowed to reverse foul calls upon replays anway? Kind of a stupid rule.

What should have happened:
- Foul called on Reggie
- Reggie shoots 2
- Game continues from here

Rather than an OKC ball leading to WB hitting 3 FT's

[Trollsmasher]

it wasn't a foul, hand is a part of the ball

[shallehalle]

You asked, I delivered:

http://i61.tinypic.com/15q3zo3.jpg

Now show me the frame where it touches Reggie's right hand.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

wtf is this???

[Bones_Jones]

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Brooks said he saw 5 replays and the refs only got 2? lol.

Barnes fouled him, but the ball was last touched by Jackson's right hand and Barnes didn't touch it.

[Magic731]

it wasn't a foul, hand is a part of the ball
This one of the most common misconceptions in basketball.

I think it is pretty obvious. The rule states if Barnes hits Jackson's hand and then the ball comes off Jackson, it is still OKC ball. What is inconclusive is which hand of Jackson's it came off of. There is no way to 100% tell if it came off his left or right hand and that's why it was OKC ball.

[mugiwara]

Rule No. 12 - Fouls and Penalties
B. - Personal Foul
Section I - Types
e. "Contact which occurs on the hand of an offensive player, while that hand is in contact with the ball, is legal."

:applause: my favourite playground citation.

[dunksby]

This one of the most common misconceptions in basketball.

I think it is pretty obvious. The rule states if Barnes hits Jackson's hand and then the ball comes off Jackson, it is still OKC ball. What is inconclusive is which hand of Jackson's it came off of. There is no way to 100% tell if it came off his left or right hand and that's why it was OKC ball.
That's the point the refs are making which is ignored, they gave the ball to OKC during the real-time play following the rule book. They couldn't decide over an open to interpretation replay so they stuck with their first ruling per regulations. I don't see what rule has been violated here by the refs to warrant such outrage? :confusedshrug:

[wally_world]

Why are people bitching about this call? Barnes fouled Jackson. If the refs called it properly it would have been OKC ball anyway.

Not just that, it would be 2 FTs, which would probably tie the game. Rewind back to that moment - Would Clipper fans rather give 2 FTs or just the possession (not knowing that Russ would get fouled on that 3pter)?

If OKC got the ball and dont score on that possession how big a blessing would this have been for the Clippers?

[ZenMaster]

Well it was inconclusive.. and also according to the rule book on TNT, it would still be OKC ball even if Reggie touched it last seeing as the defender hit the hand that the ball went out of.

No that's not right, that part of the rule is for when they're trying to collect a rebound and somebody hits them on the back of the hand forcing the missed catch while the ball goes out of bounds.

[MostHated305]

People need to stop crying about refs.

Clippers didn't close out the game.

[edrick]

Everyone knows that was a makeup call. Everyone also knows CP3 choked that game away with a bunch of mistakes.