50+ win teams beatin in the playoffs (Kobe/Jordan/Magic/Russell/Lebron )

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe Bryant
1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32
total = 24


Michael Jordan
1988-89 Cleveland Cavaliers Record: 57-25
1988-89 New York Knicks Record: 52-30
1989-90 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 53-29
1990-91 Detroit Pistons Record: 50-32
1990-91 Los Angeles Lakers Record: 58-24
1991-92 New York Knicks Record: 51-31
1991-92 Cleveland Cavaliers Record: 57-25
1991-92 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 57-25
1992-93 Cleveland Cavaliers Record: 54-28
1992-93 New York Knicks Record: 60-22
1992-93 Phoenix Suns Record: 62-20
1994-95 Charlotte Hornets Record: 50-32
1995-96 Orlando Magic Record: 60-22
1995-96 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 64-18
1996-97 Atlanta Hawks Record: 56-26
1996-97 Miami Heat Record: 61-21
1996-97 Utah Jazz Record: 64-18
1997-98 Charlotte Hornets Record: 51-31
1997-98 Indiana Pacers Record: 58-24
1997-98 Utah Jazz Record: 62-20
total=20





Magic Johnson
1979-80 Phoenix Suns Roster Record: 55-27
1979-80 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 56-26
1979-80 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 59-23
1981-82 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 58-24
1982-83 San Antonio Spurs Record: 53-29
1984-85 Denver Nuggets Record: 52-30
1984-85 Boston Celtics Record: 63-19
1986-87 Boston Celtics Record: 59-23
1987-88 Dallas Mavericks Record: 53-29
1987-88 Detroit Pistons Record: 54-28
1988-89 Phoenix Suns Record: 55-27
1990-91 Houston Rockets Record: 52-30
1990-91 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 63-19
total = 13




Lebron James
2006-07 Detroit Pistons Record: 53-29
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
total = 4





Bill Russell ( will have to list every single series and how many games they played to get a real understanding )
1956-57 Syracuse Nationals Record: 38-34 ( 72 game season )
1956-57 St. Louis Hawks Record: 34-38 ( 72 game season )
won 1957 nba championship in a 2 round playoff facing 2 losing teams
1957-58 Philadelphia Warriors Record: 37-35 ( 72 game season )
lost 1958 nba finals to the st louis hawks in a 2 round playoff
1958-59 Syracuse Nationals Record: 35-37 ( 72 game season )
1958-59 Minneapolis Lakers Record: 33-39 ( 72 game season )
won 1959 nba championship in a 2 round playoff facing 2 losing teams
1959-60 Philadelphia Warriors Record: 49-26 ( 75 game season )
1959-60 St. Louis Hawks Record: 46-29 ( 75 game season )
won 1960 nba championship in a 2 round playoff facing one legit 50+win caliber team
1960-61 Syracuse Nationals Record: 38-41 ( 79 game season )
1960-61 St. Louis Hawks Record: 51-28 ( 79 game season )
won 1961 nba championship in a 2 round playoff facing one legit 50+ win caliber team ( 1 winning team period )
1961-62 Philadelphia Warriors Record: 49-31 ( 80 game season )
1961-62 Los Angeles Lakers Record: 54-26 ( 80 game season )
won 1962 nba championship in a 2 round playoff facing 2 legit 50+ win caliber teams
1962-63 Cincinnati Royals Record: 42-38 ( 80 game season )
1962-63 Los Angeles Lakers Record: 53-27 ( 80 game season )
won 1963 nba championship in a 2 round playoff facing one legit 50+ win caliber team

1963-64 Cincinnati Royals Record: 55-25 ( 80 game season )
1963-64 San Francisco Warriors Record: 48-32 ( 80 game season )
won 1964 nba championship in a 2 round playoff facing 2 legit 50+ win caliber teams

1964-65 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 40-40
1964-65 Los Angeles Lakers Record: 49-31
won 1965 nba championship in a 2 round playoff facing 1 legit 50+ win caliber team
1965-66 Cincinnati Royals Record: 45-35 ( 80 game season )
1965-66 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 55-25 ( 80 game season )
1965-66 Los Angeles Lakers Record: 45-35 ( 80 game season )
won 1966 nba championship in a 3 round playoff facing 1 legit 50+ win caliber team

1966-67 New York Knicks Record: 36-45 ( 81 game season )
lost in eastern confrence finals to the 76ers

( start of regulation 82 game seasons )
1967-68 Detroit Pistons Record: 40-42
1967-68 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 62-20
1967-68 Los Angeles Lakers Record: 52-30
won 1968 nba championship in a 3 round playoff facing 2 50+ win teams
1968-69 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 55-27
1968-69 New York Knicks Record: 54-28
1968-69 Los Angeles Lakers Record: 55-27
won 1969 nba championship in a 3 round playoff facing 3 50+ win teams


Total 50+ win teams beatin = 10
Total 50+ win caliber teams beatin = 14









my conclusion: Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordans rings/success should be looked at with more more prestige than guys like magic johnson/bill russell/lebron james...

they played in tough era's/confrences

[kennethgriffin]

basically...

Kobe beat 24 great teams to get 5 rings
jordan beat 20 great teams to get 6 rings
magic beat 13 great teams to get 5 rings
russell beat 14 great teams to get 11 rings
lebron beat 4 great teams to get 2 rings

[BlkMambaGOAT]

basically...

Kobe beat 24 great teams to get 5 rings
jordan beat 20 great teams to get 6 rings
magic beat 13 great teams to get 5 rings
russell beat 14 great teams to get 11 rings
lebron beat 4 great teams to get 2 rings
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z9ILe_AEdBg/USWKl-a6xrI/AAAAAAAAEVk/EqdRRIhFdcs/s1600/boiling.JPG

http://dutullerrett.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/arrow-pointing-down.jpg

Essentially:cheers:

[riseagainst]

:bowdown:

[kennethgriffin]

aww.. they took away reps again... just as i was getting my groove back.. the reds make me try


common jeff

[Heavincent]

It's true. Kobe faced tougher competition than pretty much any other superstar.

[GimmeThat]

Is being the best out of 100 less than best the best out of 1000?

well, if you went out and grabbed another 900, they wouldn't even know how to play the game

that's for the era argument.


as for 50+ win teams. as long as there were only 8 teams that made it into the playoffs it doesn't matter. idealistically, the first seed only gets to play 2 50+ win teams per championship run.

[fpliii]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=335504

[kennethgriffin]

Is being the best out of 100 less than best the best out of 1000?

well, if you went out and grabbed another 900, they wouldn't even know how to play the game

that's for the era argument.


as for 50+ win teams. as long as there were only 8 teams that made it into the playoffs it doesn't matter. idealistically, the first seed only gets to play 2 50+ win teams per championship run.


for the most part of russells career his teams were beating nobody to make the finals though

it was like an automatic free ticket


russell faced only 6 teams of 50+ win caliber in his career ( PRE FINALS ) and 2 of the 6 came in 1 year...

which means russell got a free finals ticket 6 times in his career..


thats not impressive in the slightest. i'd say russells ring count should be more than cut in half

[kennethgriffin]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=335504


didnt know someone already did all the work for me lol

he should have listed them like me though

[TheMagicMan]

This one was more thorough Kenneth, great job :applause:

[fpliii]

didnt know someone already did all the work for me lol

he should have listed them like me though
:cheers:

[red1]

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/772222/flags/LL

[ProfessorMurder]

So cool how in 14 of Kobe's he was the beta bitch behind Shaq.

[kennethgriffin]

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/772222/flags/LL


is this a gif of bill russells reaction to his cake walk to the finals every year?

[ArbitraryWater]

So why is winning 60.9% of your games the standart? why 60.9%?

Looks kind of.... to me

[kennethgriffin]

So cool how in 14 of Kobe's he was the beta bitch behind Shaq.


dunno.. this was posted in the other thread
asside from an injury in the 2000 nba finals dipping his average cause he left the game early.. he was more than solid


21-4-3 in 00 against pheonix
20-6-5 in 00 against portland
16-5-4 in 00 against indiana (injury)
25-8-4-2 in 01 against portland
35-9-4 in 01 against SAC
25-8-6 against philly same year
26-5-5 in 02 against Spurs
27-6-4 in 02 against kings
26-7-5 in 02 against nets.

and we all know kobe got his own stats in 03 and 04 aswell


meh..

[kennethgriffin]

So why is winning 60.9% of your games the standart? why 60.9%?

Looks kind of.... to me


anything that doesnt fit your agenda is bs


but 50 wins is the minumum a team usually has to make the finals since the 80+ game season schedule

and its also the minimum wins an mvp candidate needs

so its the standard

[ArbitraryWater]

anything that doesnt fit your agenda is bs


but 50 wins is the minumum a team usually has to make the finals since the 80+ game season schedule

and its also the minimum wins an mvp candidate needs

so its the standard

Wrong. Kareem won the MVP with a 40-42 Record before...

And I dont see why its exactly 60.9%... you haven't proven anything.

Also this ignores strength of team/help... like Kobe playing amongside Shaq for 8 ****in' Years.

Doesnt work Kobe kids. Never been a thing, never will be...

Only on ISH we get 2-3 making a big deal out of it.

+ Again, you totally ignored teams from lockout seasons because it was shortened... 50 only matters in the 82 game season, at least stick with your 60.9%... why not?

[Doranku]

If anyone is up to the challenge, it would be cool to see what each player averaged in each of these series.

[kennethgriffin]

Wrong. Kareem won the MVP with a 40-42 Record before...

And I dont see why its exactly 60.9%... you haven't proven anything.

Also this ignores strength of team/help... like Kobe playing amongside Shaq for 8 ****in' Years.

Doesnt work Kobe kids. Never been a thing, never will be...

Only on ISH we get 2-3 making a big deal out of it.

+ Again, you totally ignored teams from lockout seasons because it was shortened... 50 only matters in the 82 game season, at least stick with your 60.9%... why not?

duh kareem had the player vote. i was refering to modern mvp criteria... hense kobe not winning it due to not having 50 wins. yet having one of the all time best seasons...

and lol@ strength of team/help....that would only help kobe... everyone before 2000 had 4 hall of famer legendary 2nd/3rd/4th banana's while kobes teams were always 2 guys and scrubs 90% of the time

[tpols]

So cool how in 14 of Kobe's he was the beta bitch behind Shaq.

you might wanna check kobe's stats on those king/spurs teams

[kennethgriffin]

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[SamuraiSWISH]

Looks to me like MJ's Bulls beat the most 60+ win teams of the modern era compared to Kobe, and LeBron.

[kennethgriffin]

Looks to me like MJ's Bulls beat the most 60+ win teams of the modern era compared to Kobe, and LeBron.


Well if half of kobes teams were in todays east or the expansion 90s. Theyed have a few more wins each to bump up over 60+


Kobe had the most competition

[ShawkFactory]

Well if half of kobes teams were in todays east or the expansion 90s. Theyed have a few more wins each to bump up over 60+


Kobe had the most competition
:yaohappy:

[DonDadda59]

If anyone is up to the challenge, it would be cool to see what each player averaged in each of these series.

Pretty sure I had the stats for Bean and Jordan when OP made another thread a while ago with the same bullshit. Can't find it on google though. Cheap ass Jefe won't give us a search function :mad:

[kennethgriffin]

Pretty sure I had the stats for Bean and Jordan when OP made another thread a while ago with the same bullshit. Can't find it on google though. Cheap ass Jefe won't give us a search function :mad:



A) isnt this the opposite of your agenda lmao

B) i posted this aswell

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=332740

[tmacattack33]

Why is Kobe even in this? He's not consensus top 10.

Let's talk about the real GOATs.

[DonDadda59]

A) isnt this the opposite of your agenda lmao

I forget what my agenda is at the moment. :confusedshrug:

And pretty sure the first 50 win teams they 'eliminated', Bean was like 3.7 PPG/ 0.7 RPG/ O APG in half the games while MJ put up like 40/5/8 (and hit the do or die, series ending buzzer beater AKA 'the shot')... it was something comical :oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

ESPN and Nike stay Lurking on ISH to bite all our ideas....



Jeff was right...we are all celebrities here ...:cheers:

[rzp]

So cool how in 14 of Kobe's he was the beta bitch behind Shaq.

And the another 10 he was CO-BETA-B!TCH along side Gasol.

[clipps]

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