Michael Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain?

[CavaliersFTW]

It is year 2020 and cloning professional athletes has just become not only possible but for a small window of time, legal. Your franchise is struggling, not only in wins/losses but in ticket sales. Your GM has covertly obtained the DNA of Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain but has only enough money to fund ONE of the two to be grown in a lab and trained. Let's imagine by being 'trained' we mean bringing their capabilities up to the exact moment both players were rookies in the NBA.

IMO Wilt >

NBA ticket sales went up 30% the moment he entered the league and arenas would sell out just to see him even if the cities he traveled to had home teams that sucked or didn't normally sell out, and he shattered records and preconceived notions of what was possible his entire career. With the right coach and GM, his teams become the most dominant teams ever. Jordan is the most dominant guard ever, but Wilt is the most dominant player ever so I'd go with him :pimp:

[riseagainst]

MJ, not close at all.

[Angel Face]

So, you created a lame thread just to say Wilt > MJ?

[CavaliersFTW]

MJ, not close at all.
Can't clone Pippen though, and by 2020 the real Pippen will be 54 years old... way too old to help Jordan-clone become a winner, he might never actually win. Risky pick.

[deja vu]

Wilt clone might have choking qualities so I'd go with the proven winner Jordan.

[SilkkTheShocker]

taking Jordan clone means being responsible for the people getting killed over gambling debts

[The_Pharcyde]

taking Jordan clone means being responsible for the people getting killed over gambling debts

This comment used to be funny the first 70 times you used it

[B-hoop]

Seeing as the team owner needs money, its Jordan without a doubt. Most marketable star ever.

[CavaliersFTW]

taking Jordan clone means being responsible for the people getting killed over gambling debts
Michael Jordan probably has an entourage of real life David Kleinfeld's just to keep his head out of legal trouble.

[Goldrush25]

You clone Wilt. There is no guarantee that the cloned MJ will have the drive that the first one did. There were environmental factors and circumstances at play that made him the player that he was.

Wilt was a physical freak. You clone Wilt.

[senelcoolidge]

I'd take Wilt. Just to be able to witness him play is enough for me. But what if the rules of the NBA continue to evolve. Big men especially 7 footers may no longer be of use in the NBA at that time. It will be total small ball with players that can play all 5 positions..so basically a 6'9" and under league.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

wilt obviously

[GimmeThat]

I'll raise your hypothetical question with another hypothetical question

Who would you pick between Jordan and Wilt if basketball was a 4 man game.

[DonDadda59]

Wilt... assuming the GM, coaching staff, etc are well trained in the heimlich maneuver.

[Marchesk]

You take Wilt, even if you have Jordan as GOAT. There are no seven footers remotely in the class of Wilt today, but there are perimeter players in the ballpark of Jordan (Lebron, Durant, formerly Kobe). Plus, there are guards arguably as athletic as Jordan now (or close), but there are none Wilt's size.

Wilt is even more of a mismatch for bigs today than the ones in the 60s (who were actually good). Duncan being the exception, and KG is too old.

[Rocketswin2013]

You take Wilt, even if you have Jordan as GOAT. There are no seven footers remotely in the class of Wilt today, but there are perimeter players in the ballpark of Jordan (Lebron, Durant, formerly Kobe). Plus, there are guards arguably as athletic as Jordan now (or close), but there are none Wilt's size.
What makes you think Wilt would jst dominate today even more than he did?

There are more 7 foot big men today to guard him than in the 60's.


Perkins, Asik, Nene, Gortat, Splitter, Adams, Howard, Jefferson, Drummond, Cousins, M. Gasol, Koufos are all 6'11 + 255 + pound centers.

[Marchesk]

In any such scenario, you take Shaq, Kareem and Wilt first over anyone else (in whatever order).

[Marchesk]

Perkins, Asik, Nene, Gortat, Splitter, Adams, Howard, Jefferson, Drummond, Cousins, M. Gasol, Koufos are all 6'11 + 255 + pound centers.

Why did you leave Hibbert out of the list? One too many 0/0 games for that all-star center?

I'm not overly impressed with that list compared to the best bigs from the 60s.

[Mr Exlax]

Give me Wilt. I have a big man bias though. Hell I'd still draft Hakeem before MJ. Not saying he was better, but easier to build around and more impact on the court.

[CavaliersFTW]

What makes you think Wilt would jst dominate today even more than he did?

There are more 7 foot big men today to guard him than in the 60's.


Perkins, Asik, Nene, Gortat, Splitter, Adams, Howard, Jefferson, Drummond, Cousins, M. Gasol, Koufos are all 6'11 + 255 + pound centers.
Those guys are all more like Willis Reed sized, all but Gasol and Koufos are actually several inches below 6-11

[swagga]

It is year 2020 and cloning professional athletes has just become not only possible but for a small window of time, legal. Your franchise is struggling, not only in wins/losses but in ticket sales. Your GM has covertly obtained the DNA of Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain but has only enough money to fund ONE of the two to be grown in a lab and trained. Let's imagine by being 'trained' we mean bringing their capabilities up to the exact moment both players were rookies in the NBA.

IMO Wilt >

NBA ticket sales went up 30% the moment he entered the league and arenas would sell out just to see him even if the cities he traveled to had home teams that sucked or didn't normally sell out, and he shattered records and preconceived notions of what was possible his entire career. With the right coach and GM, his teams become the most dominant teams ever. Jordan is the most dominant guard ever, but Wilt is the most dominant player ever so I'd go with him :pimp:

imo you suck at trolling.

[CavaliersFTW]

imo you suck at trolling.
kid, i dont even know who you are

[Rocketswin2013]

Those guys are all more like Willis Reed sized, all but Gasol and Koufos are actually several inches below 6-11
Reed was 245 pounds tops.

[Rocketswin2013]

I'd talk Wilt for witnessing purposes.

[GODbe]

Wilt.

[CavaliersFTW]

Reed was 245 pounds tops.
Willis Reed's weight is really an unknown variable, he's extremely wide bodied and thus a naturally strong player but his height is/was overbilled more like a modern players as opposed to most of his other contemporaries so it's hard to peg. I know that Walt Bellamy weighed as much as 265 pounds and Willis, though a bit shorter, looked just as big as Bellamy but who knows. Willis was likely no more than about 6-9 maybe 6-9 and small change on a good day without shoes, he does not not look like his listed height of 6-10 he actually looks shorter than Bill Russell who measured 6-9 and 5/8ths without shoes. That's actually what I was getting at, the players you said are all "at least 6-11" are not 6-11, most of them are 6-9 to 6-10, basically a bunch of Willis Reed size centers. Weight doesn't even matter, as they all lift weights, Willis didn't, he'd easily be 255+ lifting weights if he wasn't already that much as it were without weight training.

[TheMan]

Wilt, just to witness him taking on a cougar :pimp:

Real answer, Shaq with MJ's pyschotic will to destroy and humiliate his opponents.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt, just to witness him taking on a cougar :pimp:

Real answer, Shaq with MJ's pyschotic will to destroy and humiliate his opponents.
Shaq had that same will, the difference is MJ carried it into the off season, Shaq did not

[TheMan]

Shaq had that same will, the difference is MJ carried it into the off season, Shaq did not
That's kinda what I meant, MJ never came in fat after the off season.

[knicksman]

what matters is how good you are during tough times which is the playoffs. Ill even go for kobe over wilt much more over jordan. LOL

[Deuce Bigalow]

Chamberlain is arguably the greatest physical specimen mankind has ever witnessed.

[SamuraiSWISH]

MJ, easily.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

George Mikan, easily.

[played0ut]

You clone Wilt. There is no guarantee that the cloned MJ will have the drive that the first one did. There were environmental factors and circumstances at play that made him the player that he was.

Wilt was a physical freak. You clone Wilt.

+1



MJ is GOAT to me, but it was due more to his pathological competitiveness and need to win than physical attributes.


If you're gonna build around a player, you always like the athletic 7-footer.

[SamuraiSWISH]

MJ is GOAT to me, but it was due more to his pathological competitiveness and need to win than physical attributes.
It was all that PLUS

ELITE physical specimen
ELITE skills
ELITE mental toughness
ELITE coachability
ELITE radiating swagger, and leadership

The PERFECT storm of a basketball player

No one else comes CLOSE. His WILL POWER was heroic shit.

[5 rings fan]

It was all that PLUS

ELITE physical specimen
ELITE skills
ELITE mental toughness
ELITE coachability
ELITE radiating swagger, and leadership

The PERFECT storm of a basketball player

No one else comes CLOSE. His WILL POWER was heroic shit.
Who do you think should have come close ?
Like if Shaq applied more to himself , Kareem wins more in 70s .. etc

[Marchesk]

No one else comes CLOSE. His WILL POWER was heroic shit.

There is Russell. And Magic in Jordan's era won a lot. Stacked teams for both, yeah. But Jordan had two HOfers and possibly the GOAT coach, so it's not like he didn't have help.

Anyway, when Wilt was put in the right situation, his teams were really good. Injuries somewhat derailed that 76ers team from winning multiple chips. The Lakers should have won more than one with Wilt.

I'll put the 24/24/8 on 68% with the rime protection up against anything Michael did for one season. That 76ers team is on par with the Bulls 72 win season.

[Marchesk]

Kareem wins more in 70s .. etc

Imagine if Oscar got to play his prime with Kareem, like Magic did.

[Asukal]

Wilt stans... :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

Put MJ back in the 60's, and replace Wilt with him on Wilt's teams in that decade, and I seriously doubt that he wins ANY rings. Hell, a prime Baylor and West, COMBINED, couldn't beat Russell's teams.

[Relinquish]

Wilt for sure, and I'm a stan of neither. He was so big and strong, almost Shaq-like. Jordan is just an athletic shooting guard, and it's always better to have a big that is great because it's very difficult to find good bigs these days.

[sd3035]

Can you clone Wilt's competition too?

http://imgick.mlive.com/home/mlive-media/pgmain/img/lansing/photo/2013/08/-7e3c61deb2b3bf9b.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

Can you clone Wilt's competition too?

http://imgick.mlive.com/home/mlive-media/pgmain/img/lansing/photo/2013/08/-7e3c61deb2b3bf9b.jpg

You know, this might have been funny the very first time some idiot came up with it, but don't you think it is getting a little old, time-after-phucking time?

So, I want YOU to post the ACTUAL heights of the CENTERS, ALL of them, that Wilt faced in his career. And keep in mind that most all of them were measured in bare feet, and likely would be 1-2" TALLER than their listed heights in TODAY's NBA.

Now, do some ACTUAL RESEARCH, and educate all of us here at ISH...

[Asukal]

You know, this might have been funny the very first time some idiot came up with it, but don't you think it is getting a little old, time-after-phucking time?

So, I want YOU to post the ACTUAL heights of the CENTERS, ALL of them, that Wilt faced in his career. And keep in mind that most all of them were measured in bare feet, and likely would be 1-2" TALLER than their listed heights in TODAY's NBA.

Now, do some ACTUAL RESEARCH, and educate all of us here at ISH...

:roll: :oldlol: :lol

This guy is mad. lol!

[LAZERUSS]

:roll: :oldlol: :lol

This guy is mad. lol!

These "anti-Wilt" "choking" and "short white centers" posts have long since been obliterated...and yet the same idiots continue make the same moronic posts, time-after-time.

Hopefully ISH will someday make a STICKY with the real FACTS about Wilt's career, including his POST-SEASON domination...and make it a requirement that every time a dumb-ass makes one these "anti-Wilt" posts, that it immediately auto-responds with the ACTUAL Chamberlain achievements. Maybe even have an auto response with a gif of a toothless hillbilly, depicting these morons, and their phucked up posts.

That might put an end to these nonsensical posts.

[Asukal]

These "anti-Wilt" "choking" and "short white centers" posts have long since been obliterated...and yet the same idiots continue make the same moronic posts, time-after-time.

Hopefully ISH will someday make a STICKY with the real FACTS about Wilt's career, including his POST-SEASON domination...and make it a requirement that every time a dumb-ass makes one these "anti-Wilt" posts, that it immediately auto-responds with the ACTUAL Chamberlain achievements. Maybe even have an auto response with a gif of a toothless hillbilly, depicting these morons, and their phucked up posts.

That might put an end to these nonsensical posts.

So mad. :roll: :oldlol: :lol :D :banana:

[sd3035]

You know, this might have been funny the very first time some idiot came up with it, but don't you think it is getting a little old, time-after-phucking time?

So, I want YOU to post the ACTUAL heights of the CENTERS, ALL of them, that Wilt faced in his career. And keep in mind that most all of them were measured in bare feet, and likely would be 1-2" TALLER than their listed heights in TODAY's NBA.

Now, do some ACTUAL RESEARCH, and educate all of us here at ISH...


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[sd3035]

These "anti-Wilt" "choking" and "short white centers" posts have long since been obliterated...and yet the same idiots continue make the same moronic posts, time-after-time.

Hopefully ISH will someday make a STICKY with the real FACTS about Wilt's career, including his POST-SEASON domination...and make it a requirement that every time a dumb-ass makes one these "anti-Wilt" posts, that it immediately auto-responds with the ACTUAL Chamberlain achievements. Maybe even have an auto response with a gif of a toothless hillbilly, depicting these morons, and their phucked up posts.

That might put an end to these nonsensical posts.

http://cdn.niketalk.com/e/ea/350x700px-LL-ea4fc166_maximum-over-rustle-jimmies-shaking-13537619370.gif

[played0ut]

The ****'s wrong with you guys?


Everyone can appreciate a good trolling, and no one's expecting you to agree and write essays with footnotes, but at least appreciate that he writes earnest well-thought out posts and actually contributes to discussion.


Lol klaffs.

[Straight_Ballin]

As an owner, I would take both wilt and Jordan, have my team win 10 rings in a row, they would retire, and to honor them the doors of the NBA would be shut forever.

/thread

[KingBeasley08]

Jordan because he's the GOAT. Why get Wilt when I could make a trade for Javale McGee or some other average big man

[TheMan]

Can you clone Wilt's competition too?

http://imgick.mlive.com/home/mlive-media/pgmain/img/lansing/photo/2013/08/-7e3c61deb2b3bf9b.jpg
Shiiiit :oldlol:

[AirFederer]

Wilt.


To expose him and ether the butthurt Cavs fan :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

You take Wilt, even if you have Jordan as GOAT. There are no seven footers remotely in the class of Wilt today, but there are perimeter players in the ballpark of Jordan (Lebron, Durant, formerly Kobe). Plus, there are guards arguably as athletic as Jordan now (or close), but there are none Wilt's size.

Wilt is even more of a mismatch for bigs today than the ones in the 60s (who were actually good). Duncan being the exception, and KG is too old.

Don't make any sense... you are basically saying today, Wilt would have greater Impact.

So Jordan wouldn't be GOAT anymore.

[Psileas]

Don't make any sense... you are basically saying today, Wilt would have greater Impact.

So Jordan wouldn't be GOAT anymore.

Αnymore?

Anyway, his point is, even if you consider Jordan the GOAT, it's still a fact that they played in different eras, so it can't be ruled out that, if they played in the same era, Wilt could have the greater impact and be ranked higher.

[5 rings fan]

Αnymore?

Anyway, his point is, even if you consider Jordan the GOAT, it's still a fact that they played in different eras, so it can't be ruled out that, if they played in the same era, Wilt could have the greater impact and be ranked higher.
Not to mention that Wilt might have moses/Kareem or even russell and thurmond to study on, as well as the advanced technologies, nutrition .. etc

[MiseryCityTexas]

Wilt played against some good competition when he scored a 100 points. Three Knicks players scored like over 30 points each in that game.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron >Wil>>>Jordan:banana: :banana: :banana: :oldlol:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

How can anyone put jordan above Wilt, outside of the retarded number of rings argument is beyond me.
wilt was better at EVERYTHING than Jordan.Defense,scoring,efficency,rebounding maybe even passing.
and he didnt have anyone to stude and model his game after.
why cant people just appreciate what he was.
an insane athlete,7

[andgar923]

The one that could shoot free throws

[played0ut]

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]How can anyone put jordan above Wilt, outside of the retarded number of rings argument is beyond me.
wilt was better at EVERYTHING than Jordan.Defense,scoring,efficency,rebounding maybe even passing.
and he didnt have anyone to stude and model his game after.
why cant people just appreciate what he was.
an insane athlete,7