Wilt Chamberlain "100 point" Game vs George Mikan "83.3%" Game

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Which game is more impressive to you: Chamberlain scoring a record 100 points in a single game or George Mikan scoring a record 83.3% of his team's points in a single game?

I got Mikan.

[navy]

It would be nice if you posted how many total points the teams scored for those games.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It would be nice if you posted how many total points the teams scored for those games.
Mikan scored 15/18 of his team's points Chamberlain scored 100/169 of his teams points. Having seen both games in person, I must say Mikan was more impressive.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Mikan scored 15/18 of his team's points Chamberlain scored 100/169 of his teams points. Having seen both games in person, I must say Mikan was more impressive.
:biggums:

Dafuq? Did they play 3 minute quarters or something?

[Trollsmasher]

It's clearly Mikan

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:biggums:

Dafuq? Did they play 3 minute quarters or something?
This is before the shot clock was implemented.

[SHABBA]

There is no empirical evidence that Wilt's 100 point game actually happened.

[navy]

Mikan scored 15/18 of his team's points Chamberlain scored 100/169 of his teams points. Having seen both games in person, I must say Mikan was more impressive.
:biggums:

:coleman:

:oldlol:


:facepalm

[tjgoHAM]

Mikan scored 15/18 of his team's points Chamberlain scored 100/169 of his teams points. Having seen both games in person, I must say Mikan was more impressive.


prove it

[BlkMambaGOAT]

This is before the shot clock was implemented.
There are children who play ball without a clue about the rules (other than travelling and fouling) who score at faster rates.


Wilt's 100 is overrated IMO, but I'd still take it over Mikan.



15/18
:facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

100>15

[RoundMoundOfReb]

100>15
83.3 > 59.1

[SamuraiSWISH]

Mikan > Russell, and Wilt.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Bump. Would really like more discussion on this topic. Anybody else on here see them both play live?

[Andrei89]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMagicMan]

My nikka Mikan woulda sonn'd dat weak ass competishun in da 60s aha :lol

[feyki]

15-18 match not seems fair to comparison to something .

Mikan's 61 points against last year champions was best scoring game ever . He scored %67 of his team points , even against contender team .

Wilt scored %59 of his team scores and that was against a tanking team , even they were w/out starting center .

Also , Kobe's 81 > Wilt's 100 .

[AirFederer]

I go with the most skilled and athleticly superior center ever.

So Mikan. :bowdown:

Also: 7>2.

[LAZERUSS]

15-18 match not seems fair to comparison to something .

Mikan's 61 points against last year champions was best scoring game ever . He scored %67 of his team points , even against contender team .

Wilt scored %59 of his team scores and that was against a tanking team , even they were w/out starting center .

Also , Kobe's 81 > Wilt's 100 .

Mikan's 61 point game wasn't even the NBA record at the time. Joe Fulks had a 63 point game three years prior.

BTW, Chamberlain's 100 point game was 29 points higher than anyone not named Wilt had scored in the history of the game (Baylor's 71...which Wilt shattered with a 78 point game against a Laker team that would lose a game seven in OT to the Russell's champion 60-20 Celtics.)

Of course, Russell beefed up his post-season numbers against the Lakers in five Finals in the decade of the 60's. A team that Wilt never faced in even one post-season game. Given the fact that Chamberlain murdered the Lakers the entire decade of the 60's (in 86 H2H games... 40 of 40+, 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and 2 of 70+), there would have been no doubt that Wilt would hold almost every conceivable post-season scoring (and efficiency) record in NBA history had he faced LA in the post-season in the 60's.

[feyki]

Mikan's 61 point game wasn't even the NBA record at the time. Joe Fulks had a 63 point game three years prior.

BTW, Chamberlain's 100 point game was 29 points higher than anyone not named Wilt had scored in the history of the game (Baylor's 71...which Wilt shattered with a 78 point game against a Laker team that would lose a game seven in OT to the Russell's champion 60-20 Celtics.)

Of course, Russell beefed up his post-season numbers against the Lakers in five Finals in the decade of the 60's. A team that Wilt never faced in even one post-season game. Given the fact that Chamberlain murdered the Lakers the entire decade of the 60's (in 86 H2H games... 40 of 40+, 19 of 50+, 7 of 60+, and 2 of 70+), there would have been no doubt that Wilt would hold almost every conceivable post-season scoring (and efficiency) record in NBA history.

Records for dummies bro . Use your vision .

Doesn't matter . Fulks scored %58 of his team points . Wilt had one time above than %60 . And that was against Lakers in a loss by 12 points .

Beside of this debate , Mikan was great efficient scorer with amazing shooting capabilities . Wilt was just a ball hogger with poor shooting . And alsa Mikan took his team to the success with his scoring rather than Wilt . Wilt was failed everytime when he tried to do score .

[MiseryCityTexas]

Wilt Chamberlain was Tim Duncan in Shaq's body. A 100 points is still a 100 points. Wilt over Mikan easily. people want to rewrite history and make it seem like Wilt scored a 100 points over a bunch unathletic white bums. Wilt scored a 100 over a Knicks team with three allstars. Richie Guerin, Jumping Johnny Green, and Willie Nauls weren't bums.

[feyki]

Wilt Chamberlain was Tim Duncan in Shaq's body. A 100 points is still a 100 points. Wilt over Mikan easily. people want to rewrite history and make it seem like Wilt scored a 100 points over a bunch unathletic white bums. Wilt scored a 100 over a Knicks team with three allstars. Richie Guerin, Jumping Johnny Green, and Willie Nauls weren't bums.

Rewrite ?

Only three players mentioned as goat . And those were Mikan in 50 , Russell in 80 and then Jordan . What about Wilt ?

[MiseryCityTexas]

Johnny Green was one of the most underrated players of the 60s. He was ahead of his time, and was a great player stuck on a shitty Knicks team. He was a ahead of his time because he used to do all kinds of windmill dunks in the 60s. Jumpin Johnny and Gus Johnson were the best dunkers in the 60s era of basketball with Elgin Baylor coming in at third (Baylor dunked on Bill Russell, they even had a video of it on Youtube, but someone at Youtube made them take that video down).

[MiseryCityTexas]

Rewrite ?

Only three players mentioned as goat . And those were Mikan in 50 , Russell in 80 and then Jordan . What about Wilt ?

Dolph Schayes was probably George Mikan's toughest competition during the 50s era of basketball. Wilt went up against a solid center every night while Mikan dominated against one great player and scrubs at center.

[LAZERUSS]

Records for dummies bro . Use your vision .

Doesn't matter . Fulks scored %58 of his team points . Wilt had one time above than %60 . And that was against Lakers in a loss by 12 points .

Beside of this debate , Mikan was great efficient scorer with amazing shooting capabilities . Wilt was just a ball hogger with poor shooting . And alsa Mikan took his team to the success with his scoring rather than Wilt . Wilt was failed everytime when he tried to do score .

Even taking into the relative poor FG%'s of Mikan's era, he was simply a subpar efficient post-season scorer.

He shot .383 in a post-season that shot .344.
.408 in a post-season that shot .376
.379 in a post-season that shot .393
.366 in a post-season that shot .366
.458 in a post-season that shot .389
.371 in a post-season that shot .382


How about Wilt?

.496 in a .402
.469 in a .403
.467 in a .411
.543 in a .420
.530 in a .429
.509 in a .440
.579 in a .474
.534 in a .446
.545 in a .431
.549 in a .455
.455 in a .445
.563 in a .446
.552 in a .451


As for pure scoring in the post-season...Chamberlain was UNDEFEATED when he scored 50+ (games of 50, 50, 53, and 56), and three of those were in "must win" games (including one against RUSSELL.)

And no other player carried such putrid rosters as far as Wilt did...especially when you factor in the opposition.

'60 Rookie takes a LAST PLACE roster from the year before, to a 49-26 record, and then past Syracuse in the first round, and to a game six, two point loss against a 59-16 Celtic team with seven HOFers.

'62. Chamberlain takes the Warriors, a roster the core of which was the same last place roster he inherited in his rookie season, but now older, and most all of whom played WORSE in the post-season...past Syracuse, and then to a game seven, two point loss against a 60-20 HOF-laden Celtic team...that was favored in EVERY game of that series.

'64. Same exact roster that went 31-49 the year before, except adding a rookie Thurmond who played part-time, out position, and couldn't shoot to save his life...past the Hawks, a roster that was infinitely better players 2-6, in a seven game series. And then to a 4-1 loss to Russell and his SEVEN other HOFers...and the last two games were decided in the waning seconds.

'65. Was traded at mid-season, for three players, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before, and obviously missed the playoffs. He single-handedly carried that 40-40 team past Oscar's far better 48-32 Royals in the first round, and then destroyed Russell in a seven game series that was decided by one point in game seven.

BTW, same core the next post-season, and Wilt, Greer, and Walker took nearly the same amount of shots in that '66 post-season as they did in '65, BUT, with Greer and Co. shooting a collective .352 from the field (while Wilt once again crushed a helpless Russell), a 4-1 series defeat.

Of course, when Wilt FINALLY had a roster the EQUAL of Russell's (and that was healthy), he didn't NEED to score...albeit he easily did. He against massacred Russell, including 29 points in the deciding blowout, 22 of which came in the first half when the game was relatively close. EVERYONE, including the scoring champion, himself, Rick Barry...KNEW that had Wilt wanted to score 40 ppg, he would have...and they still would have easily won a title.

Next...

[LAZERUSS]

Dolph Schayes was probably George Mikan's toughest competition during the 50s era of basketball. Wilt went up against a solid center every night while Mikan dominated against one great player and scrubs at center.

Not only that, but the ONE true center that Mikan faced...Bob Kurland, outplayed him the college championship game. Had Kurland turned pro, he would have been even better than Mikan...for whatever that is worth.

[LAZERUSS]

Rewrite ?

Only three players mentioned as goat . And those were Mikan in 50 , Russell in 80 and then Jordan . What about Wilt ?


In 1999, ESPN's Sports Century listed Wilt at #2, behind MJ, and ahead of #3 Magic, #4 Russell, and #5 Kareem.

BTW, in their 10 seasons in the league together, Chamberlain held a 7-2 margin in First-Team All-NBA selections over Russell.

As well as castrating him in the VAST majority of their career H2H's.

[MiseryCityTexas]

I don't even think George Mikan's a better player than Bob Pettit let alone Wilt Chamberlain. At least Pettit has won against a proven winner in Bill Russell.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Is George Mikan even better than prime Nate Thurmond?:oldlol: People underrated the shit out of the 60s era of basketball. Carl Braun even said that he retired, because the NBA talent in the 60s was getting too good smh.

[LAZERUSS]

I don't even think George Mikan's a better player than Bob Pettit let alone Wilt Chamberlain. At least Pettit has won against a proven winner in Bill Russell.

My main problem with Mikan was that he dominated in the pre-shot clock era. You could certainly argue integration, as well. There will be those that will use it against Wilt, too, but in the early to mid-60's he was crushing Reed, Bellamy, and Russell (as well as Lovellette), and in the last half of the 60's he was crushing Reed, Bellamy, Thurmond, Hayes, Unseld, and Thurmond.

And he was still setting staggering records in his last season, and in a league of 17 teams, that was 75% Black, and against Unseld, Reed, Bellamy, Lanier, Thurmond, Hayes, McAdoo, and Kareem...as well as Cowens. And then he outplayed Gilmore in the NBA-ABA ASG, too.

[r0drig0lac]

Mikan scored 15/18 of his team's points Chamberlain scored 100/169 of his teams points. Having seen both games in person, I must say Mikan was more impressive.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/what-the-f-tom-delonge.gif

[LAZERUSS]

Is George Mikan even better than prime Nate Thurmond?:oldlol: People underrated the shit out of the 60s era of basketball. Carl Braun even said that he retired, because the NBA talent in the 60s was getting too good smh.

And before Braun...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain


During summer vacations Chamberlain worked as a bellhop in Kutsher's Hotel. Subsequently, owners Milton and Helen Kutsher kept up a lifelong friendship with Wilt, and according to their son Mark, "They were his second set of parents."[19] Red Auerbach, the coach of the Boston Celtics, spotted the talented teenager at Kutscher's and had him play 1-on-1 against Kansas University standout and national champion, B. H. Born, elected the Most Valuable Player of the 1953 NCAA Finals. Chamberlain won 25-10; Born was so dejected that he gave up a promising NBA career and became a tractor engineer ("If there were high school kids that good, I figured I wasn't going to make it to the pros"),[20] and Auerbach wanted Chamberlain to go to a New England university, so he could draft him as a territorial pick for the Celtics, but Chamberlain did not respond.

[feyki]

Even taking into the relative poor FG%'s of Mikan's era, he was simply a subpar efficient post-season scorer.

He shot .383 in a post-season that shot .344.
.408 in a post-season that shot .376
.379 in a post-season that shot .393
.366 in a post-season that shot .366
.458 in a post-season that shot .389
.371 in a post-season that shot .382


How about Wilt?

.496 in a .402
.469 in a .403
.467 in a .411
.543 in a .420
.530 in a .429
.509 in a .440
.579 in a .474
.534 in a .446
.545 in a .431
.549 in a .455
.455 in a .445
.563 in a .446
.552 in a .451


As for pure scoring in the post-season...Chamberlain was UNDEFEATED when he scored 50+ (games of 50, 50, 53, and 56), and three of those were in "must win" games (including one against RUSSELL.)

And no other player carried such putrid rosters as far as Wilt did...especially when you factor in the opposition.

'60 Rookie takes a LAST PLACE roster from the year before, to a 49-26 record, and then past Syracuse in the first round, and to a game six, two point loss against a 59-16 Celtic team with seven HOFers.

'62. Chamberlain takes the Warriors, a roster the core of which was the same last place roster he inherited in his rookie season, but now older, and most all of whom played WORSE in the post-season...past Syracuse, and then to a game seven, two point loss against a 60-20 HOF-laden Celtic team...that was favored in EVERY game of that series.

'64. Same exact roster that went 31-49 the year before, except adding a rookie Thurmond who played part-time, out position, and couldn't shoot to save his life...past the Hawks, a roster that was infinitely better players 2-6, in a seven game series. And then to a 4-1 loss to Russell and his SEVEN other HOFers...and the last two games were decided in the waning seconds.

'65. Was traded at mid-season, for three players, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before, and obviously missed the playoffs. He single-handedly carried that 40-40 team past Oscar's far better 48-32 Royals in the first round, and then destroyed Russell in a seven game series that was decided by one point in game seven.

BTW, same core the next post-season, and Wilt, Greer, and Walker took nearly the same amount of shots in that '66 post-season as they did in '65, BUT, with Greer and Co. shooting a collective .352 from the field (while Wilt once again crushed a helpless Russell), a 4-1 series defeat.

Of course, when Wilt FINALLY had a roster the EQUAL of Russell's (and that was healthy), he didn't NEED to score...albeit he easily did. He against massacred Russell, including 29 points in the deciding blowout, 22 of which came in the first half when the game was relatively close. EVERYONE, including the scoring champion, himself, Rick Barry...KNEW that had Wilt wanted to score 40 ppg, he would have...and they still would have easily won a title.

Next...


Oh boy raw stats goes again ..

What about their TS % ?

Mikan had %48.5 TS in his 49-54 playoffs .

Wilt had %52 TS in his 60-66 playoffs ( when Wilt playing with high volume ) .

And Mikan's league were playing with %10 worse points per possesions . Mikan's would %58.5 TS in Wilt's era mathematically .


Miserytexas ;

Doesn't matter . He played against 6'9 w/out shoes centers in his entire career . And he played in toughest era to scoring . Teams were averaging 80 points a game generally . Fouls per game were more than field goal made per game . Game was definitely chaotic . Look at others scorers , you can see the difference of Mikan . Just , Fulks was close to him in those days . Dolph Schayes was a franchise player , Nat Clifton was Thurmond/Ben Wallace type player . And Clifton did very well defence against him , slowed down him as well .

[feyki]

Oo hype jumped on 60's basketball .

Is this a joke ?

[LAZERUSS]

Oh boy raw stats goes again ..

What about their TS % ?

Mikan had %48.5 TS in his 49-54 playoffs .

Wilt had %52 TS in his 60-66 playoffs ( when Wilt playing with high volume ) .

And Mikan's league were playing with %10 worse points per possesions . Mikan's would %58.5 TS in Wilt's era mathematically .


Miserytexas ;

Doesn't matter . He played against 6'9 w/out shoes centers in his entire career . And he played in toughest era to scoring . Teams were averaging 80 points a game generally . Fouls per game were less than field goal made per game . Game was definitely chaotic . Look at others scorers , you can see the difference of Mikan . Just , Fulks was close to him in those days . Dolph Schayes was a franchise player , Nat Clifton was Thurmond/Ben Wallace type player . And Clifton did very well defence against him , slowed down him as well .

TS%...you can safely add TWO PERCENT to Wilt's TS%'s in the 60's. This was pretty much confirmed by Fpliii, whose research indicated that with Wilt's volume, and his relatively poor FT shooting,...and in a era of bonus FTAs, that he was around 2% higher. And before you try to add that it would have affected Mikan...nowhere near the FTAs, nor as poor a FT shooter. That's why it basically added very little to Kareem's TS%.

Of course, you also failed to add in Wilt's DEFENSE...who was ROUTINELY holding his HOF peers to WAY BELOW their normal FG%'s. Thurmond with post-seasons of .382, .373, and .343 against Wilt. Russell with with .399, .397, .386, and .358 against Wilt. A near peak Bellamy... .421. And finally, a peak Kareem, in seasons in which he shot .577 and .574 against the rest of the league... .481 and .457 (including .414 in the last four pivotal games of that series.)

Wilt was shooting around 10 full percentage points higher against the league average, and holding his HOF peers to around 10 full percentage points below it.

[feyki]

TS%...you can safely add TWO PERCENT to Wilt's TS%'s in the 60's. This was pretty much confirmed by Fpliii, whose research indicated that with Wilt's volume, and his relatively poor FT shooting,...and in a era of bonus FTAs, that he was around 2% higher. And before you try to add that it would have affected Mikan...nowhere near the FTAs, nor as poor a FT shooter. That's why it basically added very little to Kareem's TS%.

Of course, you also failed to add in Wilt's DEFENSE...who was ROUTINELY holding his HOF peers to WAY BELOW their normal FG%'s. Thurmond with post-seasons of .382, .373, and .343 against Wilt. Russell with with .399, .397, .386, and .358 against Wilt. A near peak Bellamy... .421. And finally, a peak Kareem, in seasons in which he shot .577 and .574 against the rest of the league... .481 and .457 (including .414 in the last four pivotal games of that series.)

Wilt was shooting around 10 full percentage points higher against the league average, and holding his HOF peers to around 10 full percentage points below it.

We talking about scoring .

[FireDavidKahn]

Mikan.

[nba_55]

Bro, this thread:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

We talking about scoring .


And you are comparing Mikan to WILT????

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You really need to do some real research, and quit living in this fairyland that Wilt's numbers were meaningless. There is a reason that the NBA, NFL, MLB, and virtually EVERY major sports entity has HUNDREDS of STATISTICS. Because they MATTER. Just ask the Vegas bookies, who literally have FAR more at their disposal.

Chamberlain was THE most dominant player in the history of the game...and the RECORD BOOK PROVES it.

And please don't pull the idiot's argument of RINGs. It is a TEAM GAME, and the fact that Jordan couldn't win a playoff game in his highest scoring season is all you need to know. Or that a PEAK KAJ only went to two finals, and only one ring.

Or that Chamberlain just annihilated Russell when he was given as equal roster.

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, find me an article where teams SWARMED Russell, like they did Wilt...

http://www.nba.com/history/players/chamberlain_bio.html


In Chamberlain's first year, and for several years afterward, opposing teams simply didn't know how to handle him. Tom Heinsohn, the great Celtics forward who later became a coach and broadcaster, said Boston was one of the first clubs to apply a team-defense concept to stop Chamberlain. "We went for his weakness," Heinsohn told the Philadelphia Daily News in 1991, "tried to send him to the foul line, and in doing that he took the most brutal pounding of any player ever.. I hear people today talk about hard fouls. Half the fouls against him were hard fouls."

[RRR3]

Wait, is this feyki seriously arguing Mikan>Wilt? :biggums:


That's just factually wrong. Lmao

[LAZERUSS]

Bob Kurland...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/01/sports/ncaabasketball/bob-kurland-88-pioneer-for-basketballs-big-men-dies.html?_r=0

[QUOTE]Playing for the Hall of Fame coach Hank Iba, Kurland took Oklahoma A&M (now Oklahoma State) to N.C.A.A. tournament championships in 1945 and 1946. He was voted the tournament

[RRR3]

Bruh why are you even arguing. Mikan has absolutely ZERO argument of even being on the same level of Wilt, let alone better.

[MiseryCityTexas]

They had a video of Walt Bellamy dunking on Wilt Chamberlain also, but Youtube made the owner of that channel take that video down also smfh.

[feyki]

And you are comparing Mikan to WILT????

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You really need to do some real research, and quit living in this fairyland that Wilt's numbers were meaningless. There is a reason that the NBA, NFL, MLB, and virtually EVERY major sports entity has HUNDREDS of STATISTICS. Because they MATTER. Just ask the Vegas bookies, who literally have FAR more at their disposal.

Chamberlain was THE most dominant player in the history of the game...and the RECORD BOOK PROVES it.

And please don't pull the idiot's argument of RINGs. It is a TEAM GAME, and the fact that Jordan couldn't win a playoff game in his highest scoring season is all you need to know. Or that a PEAK KAJ only went to two finals, and only one ring.

Or that Chamberlain just annihilated Russell when he was given as equal roster.

Didn't you ?

Like i said earlier records , raw stats for dummies . Use your vision and make arguements valuable .

Rings ? I just talk about who's better on the court and we did talk about who's better on one facet of the game , scoring . And Mikan was better , i did show the proofs , you did trash arguements as usual with raw stats .


Bruh why are you even arguing. Mikan has absolutely ZERO argument of even being on the same level of Wilt, let alone better.

What is your knowledge about Mikan to say those ? Yea , he has zero arguement , like you have about Mikan .

And yes , beside of 67 and 68 Wilt ; Prime Mikan was better on the court . He always led defence of the league . He always one of the top rebounder of league . Mikan was better scorer , playmaker and shooter than 60-66 Wilt . Wilt was better rebounder and defender . But Mikan was great on both too .

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Mikan was a dominant playoff performer

Ilt was a choker

[MiseryCityTexas]

Richie Guerin's one of the most underrated players in NBA history. His penetrate and dish game was very underrated. Guerin was like a poor man's Rick Barry, and a less flashier, much less talented version of Pete Maravich when he played in the absolute prime of his career.

[AirFederer]

Mikan was the Curry of his time. And then some.

Dominated.

Dove after every ball. :applause:

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[SexSymbol]

81

[ImKobe]

Kobe's 81

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Mikan's 61 points against last year champions was best scoring game ever . He scored %67 of his team points , even against contender team .

Wilt scored %59 of his team scores and that was against a tanking team , even they were w/out starting center .

Also , Kobe's 81 > Wilt's 100 .

People need to read this. If it's true, it's not a bad argument at all.

:confusedshrug:

[Psileas]

First basketball game ever: 1891, Students-Teachers, 1-0.
So, there. 1 player=100% of all points of the game. And against adult, superior competition. GOAT performance. Mikan who? :rolleyes:

[feyki]

First basketball game ever: 1891, Students-Teachers, 1-0.
So, there. 1 player=100% of all points of the game. And against adult, superior competition. GOAT performance. Mikan who? :rolleyes:

I wonder John Beckman's datas about that when game was playing in ABL about 30-35 points a game .

[riseagainst]

Mikan and it's not even close.

Ilt was never the caliber of a playoff performer Mikan was.