All the ref complaints are such overreactions

[J Shuttlesworth]

I'm not talking about just Clipper fans.... OKC fans in the game thread were acting like this game was rigged in the Clippers favor, and vice versa. This are shit calls on both ends, but not enough to warrant the current overreaction. Game 5? Possibly... I mean all the press about that game was about the calls, and not about the comeback.... Tonight though there really wasn't anything that decided the game. Clips had a lead and blew it... Durant was on fire, Adams made a huge difference and jackson too. Quit the complaining boys... It honestly degrades the quality of the forum, and makes the game threads unreadable.

[Kingwillball]

On ESPN one of the Shows Yesterday Max Kellerman mentioned How OKC gets the benefit of the Whistle more than any other team. It is not imagined.

[Fudge]

:applause:

This is why you're my favorite LeBron stan. Finally somebody out of you folks that doesn't wear a helmet.

And what do you know, helmet master is the first to post. Shocker.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

dude shut up.
the rig IS real if you deny to see it just wait till the Heat play the Thudner in the finals

[J Shuttlesworth]

On ESPN one of the Shows Yesterday Max Kellerman mentioned How OKC gets the benefit of the Whistle more than any other team. It is not imagined.
I'm not closed minded, so I will give it a listen if you post it, but Clippers get a lot of favorable calls too and get away with a lot of flops.

[J Shuttlesworth]

dude shut up.
the rig IS real if you deny to see it just wait till the Heat play the Thudner in the finals
lol but why would the NBA want Durant to win over LeBron? I can see them wanting both those guys to make it to the finals, but why would they care what happens after that? Either outcome is cash money for them

[dannysc305]

OKC has the refs in their payroll both their series were RIGGED as FVCK. Blatantly.

FT35 :facepalm

[Adam Silver]

Agreed. What is the point of overreacting when I already told everybody here the refs were instructed to help the Thunder advance.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Agreed. People need to stop bitching about reffing. Seriously EVERY team that has lost has their fans complaining about reffing.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Agreed. What is the point of overreacting when I already told everybody here the refs were instructed to help the Thunder advance.
:lol I lol'ed

[Paul George 24]

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[BlackVVaves]

On ESPN one of the Shows Yesterday Max Kellerman mentioned How OKC gets the benefit of the Whistle more than any other team. It is not imagined.

Max Kellerman said it, so you know it must be gold.

I agree OP. The whole rigging narrative is played out on ISH. Just another irritating trend around here that prevents actual basketball discussion. There's one every spring that just compels non-trolling contributors to evade this forum.

I went from posting every day a month ago to posting a couple times a week now. It's just annoying seeing the same people saying the same shit over and over again. We get it, you didn't want to see team X win so you cite some conspiracy theory. Shut the **** up already :facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

lol but why would the NBA want Durant to win over LeBron? I can see them wanting both those guys to make it to the finals, but why would they care what happens after that? Either outcome is cash money for them
because durant is a joek and career choker if he doesnt win with this ultra stacked team.
this is their ONLy chance to create a real LeBron rival and they wont blow it

[JBrizzy]

The top four teams made have made it to the conference finals. Heat fans are shitting themselves all over this website today. They are afraid of the Pacers and they are afraid of the Spurs. And Durant still has a shot at the championship. Truth.

[SpaceJammeR]

you don't think okc were helped by the refs? seriouslY?

[BlazerRed]

OP is a Lebron stan and not on my ignore list, that says a lot. You're a good man OP, we should be friends IRL. Where you from bro?

[J Shuttlesworth]

you don't think okc were helped by the refs? seriouslY?
I think they did have a lot of favorable calls in game 5. This game I didn't think was that bad. There was a terrible charge on CP3, but the charge into Durant was the right call. Clips cost themselves the game by playing OKC basketball and settling for jump shots. You won't be criticizing the refs when the Spurs knock them out in 5-6

[DMAVS41]

Max Kellerman said it, so you know it must be gold.

I agree OP. The whole rigging narrative is played out on ISH. Just another irritating trend around here that prevents actual basketball discussion. There's one every spring that just compels non-trolling contributors to evade this forum.

I went from posting every day a month ago to posting a couple times a week now. It's just annoying seeing the same people saying the same shit over and over again. We get it, you didn't want to see team X win so you cite some conspiracy theory. Shut the **** up already :facepalm

It depends on the situations...

The last two games in crunch time are some of the worst reffing I've ever seen.

3 horrible calls all go against the Clippers in the last 3 minutes of this game tonight. You can't overcome that shit man...it takes away from the players deciding the games.

I actually would rather see the Thunder play the Spurs, but objectively...damn...just horrible shit.

[J Shuttlesworth]

OP is a Lebron stan and not on my ignore list, that says a lot. You're a good man OP, we should be friends IRL. Where you from bro?
Sorry bro. I don't befriend ******s who use their IL

[BlazerRed]

Sorry bro. I don't befriend ******s who use their IL
Added to the ignore list and reported :facepalm

[Mr. Jabbar]

Added to the ignore list :facepalm

:oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

I think they did have a lot of favorable calls in game 5. This game I didn't think was that bad. There was a terrible charge on CP3, but the charge into Durant was the right call. Clips cost themselves the game by playing OKC basketball and settling for jump shots. You won't be criticizing the refs when the Spurs knock them out in 5-6

The charge call was absolutely not correct.

Durant not only was backing up when Griffin started his motion, but Durant started falling over before Griffin touched him.

I'm sorry, that isn't good defense. It was crap defense and at worst should have been a no call.

The fact that a superstar in Griffin has that call go against him at home down in crunch time is just pathetic.

If you are actually in favor of a charge call there...you simply want the games to be decided by the refs and not the players.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Added to the ignore list and reported :facepalm
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[BlazerRed]

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ShuttleBeta!

[J Shuttlesworth]

The charge call was absolutely not correct.

Durant not only was backing up when Griffin started his motion, but Durant started falling over before Griffin touched him.

I'm sorry, that isn't good defense. It was crap defense and at worst should have been a no call.

The fact that a superstar in Griffin has that call go against him at home down in crunch time is just pathetic.

If you are actually in favor of a charge call there...you simply want the games to be decided by the refs and not the players.
I'd be curious to see it slow motion. It looked to me like he got planted just in time, but I'm not as hardcore of a fan as you and i know you have a better understanding of the rules.

Hell Dmavs, you're a reputable poster. If you really believe these last two games were rigged, I'd love to see a thread breaking down the specific calls and rules

[J Shuttlesworth]

ShuttleBeta!
Damn I'm on your IL but you can still read my posts :bowdown: Jeff made me mod status. I really am the best of my Jan 2014 draft calss :rockon: The MCW of the year

[dannysc305]

The top four teams made have made it to the conference finals. Heat fans are shitting themselves all over this website today. They are afraid of the Pacers and they are afraid of the Spurs. And Durant still has a shot at the championship. Truth.
Scared? LMAO heat fans ain't scared of shit lmao we conquered every remaining team in the ecf/finals before this ain't nothin we haven't done already it's eaaasy money, baby. EAAAASY MONEY.

[Sheik1287]

I think they did have a lot of favorable calls in game 5. This game I didn't think was that bad. There was a terrible charge on CP3, but the charge into Durant was the right call. Clips cost themselves the game by playing OKC basketball and settling for jump shots. You won't be criticizing the refs when the Spurs knock them out in 5-6
Only takes 1 game to swing in someones favor.

[BlazerRed]

Damn I'm on your IL but you can still read my posts :bowdown: Jeff made me mod status. I really am the best of my Jan 2014 draft calss :rockon: The MCW of the year
Nah I didn't add you, we're tight.. I wouldn't do that to a bro.

[dannysc305]

OP is a Lebron stan and not on my ignore list, that says a lot. You're a good man OP, we should be friends IRL. Where you from bro?

Friendly a$$ nigg@ OP made you look like a groupie then swerved yo betch a$$

[dannysc305]

Sorry bro. I don't befriend ******s who use their IL

Good job :applause:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Nah I didn't add you, we're tight.. I wouldn't do that to a bro.
Man why are you trying so hard to be my friend? You have to be a top quality poster.

PM me for more info, and i'll consider letting you be my friend

[DMAVS41]

I'd be curious to see it slow motion. It looked to me like he got planted just in time, but I'm not as hardcore of a fan as you and i know you have a better understanding of the rules.

Hell Dmavs, you're a reputable poster. If you really believe these last two games were rigged, I'd love to see a thread breaking down the specific calls and rules

Rigged? Nah....not really. That is just a term people use when the refs are horrible.

It's not that the charge call was the worst call ever...it's just that why would anyone be in favor of that call there? Did Durant play good defense? Did he for sure get set and take a real hit?

Hell no to both of those. It's a no call at worst...

Like I said, let the players decide the game.

play by play?...sure;

1. Barnes fouled RG...yet there was no call
2. Ball was clearly off RG...yet refs gave ball to Thunder

The above is very important. The Clippers would have much rather given up 2 ft's there and had the ball with 11 seconds left tied...that was the worst case scenario.

3. On the last play...RG clearly fouls Paul when he loses the ball.

This is very important because the refs had just called Paul for a similar tap rewarding 3 ft's to WB...again, only reason they had a chance at 3 ft's was because of a missed foul and then wrong out of bounds review.


Tonight's game;

1. Collison jumps onto Paul after the play has been made for the Jordan dunk. Non call is absolutely the right call here...Paul didn't impact the play with the push (if you can even call it that) and honestly it's just protection as Collison was about to land on him.

Terrible call...just no way around this. Clippers were down 5 at the time.

2. The Griffin charge call. Not the worst call ever, but that is a really tough call to take down 5 at home...especially when he made the shot.

3. The WB tripping on his own up 4 late. A stop there and the Clippers have a real chance to win...despite the two bad calls above.


These games are really fragile. Often one play or one shot decides them.

As a fan of the game...I just can't agree that the refs didn't play a huge role in deciding the outcomes of the last 2 games.

[BlackVVaves]

It depends on the situations...

The last two games in crunch time are some of the worst reffing I've ever seen.

3 horrible calls all go against the Clippers in the last 3 minutes of this game tonight. You can't overcome that shit man...it takes away from the players deciding the games.

I actually would rather see the Thunder play the Spurs, but objectively...damn...just horrible shit.

CP3 grabbed Collison's leg midair and elbowed him in the groin. You don't think that's worthy of a foul?

The charge on Blake wasn't legitimate?

And then on the flip side, if OKC loses the game, fans would be clamoring how the game/series was rigged for them in light of the Sterling controversy. Shit is pathetic.

Yeah there were questionable calls, even some flagrantly missed calls, but so do 90% of every playoff game in the major sports.

This whole rigging/conspiracy shit is for the birds. I'm all for debating a set of calls, but hanging onto the idea that games are pre-determined?

Only series I've ever seen where I felt that way was the 2002 WCF and 2006 Finals. I think it's pretty weak to constantly cling to the excuse that team A only won a series because of refs. What about Miami's run and BK giving the ball to Pierce one time too many down the stretch last night? What about the Clippers settling for jumpers and KD playing like a MVP in the third and fourth quarter tonight? What about the Wizards chucking three after three and not knowing how to properly execute an offense when managing a late deficit all series?

Nope. Let's just say the fix is in. Much more compelling argument. Yeah, I'll leave that for all you guys. Got better things to do.

[Young X]

The refs were clearly biased towards RefKC for the whole series, rigged or not.

Paul got in foul trouble in the first 15 seconds of game 2 because Westbrook RAN INTO A REF.

Blake got punched in the nuts and the refs didn't call anything, but when Paul accidentally collides into Collison they're quick to call a foul.

Don't even need to over game 5.

KD & Westbrook in games 4-6 shot 10 more FT's than the WHOLE CLIPPER TEAM COMBINED.

Clippers had 2 FTA in the 2nd half of game 6.

:oldlol:

[tgan3]

I'm not talking about just Clipper fans.... OKC fans in the game thread were acting like this game was rigged in the Clippers favor, and vice versa. This are shit calls on both ends, but not enough to warrant the current overreaction. Game 5? Possibly... I mean all the press about that game was about the calls, and not about the comeback.... Tonight though there really wasn't anything that decided the game. Clips had a lead and blew it... Durant was on fire, Adams made a huge difference and jackson too. Quit the complaining boys... It honestly degrades the quality of the forum, and makes the game threads unreadable.

All you need to know: game 5 fta: clippers 20 - Thunder 36 game 6 fta: clippers 20 - Thunder 33

[BlazerRed]

Man why are you trying so hard to be my friend? You have to be a top quality poster.

PM me for more info, and i'll consider letting you be my friend
I am top notch man.. I was voted most valuable poster 2013.

[DMAVS41]

CP3 grabbed Collison's leg midair and elbowed him in the groin. You don't think that's worthy of a foul?

The charge on Blake wasn't legitimate?

And then on the flip side, if OKC loses the game, fans would be clamoring how the game/series was rigged for them in light of the Sterling controversy. Shit is pathetic.

Yeah there were questionable calls, even some flagrantly missed calls, but so do 90% of every playoff game in the major sports.

This whole rigging/conspiracy shit is for the birds. I'm all for debating a set of calls, but hanging onto the idea that games are pre-determined?

Only series I've ever seen where I felt that way was the 2002 WCF and 2006 Finals. I think it's pretty weak to constantly cling to the excuse that team A only won a series because of refs. What about Miami's run and BK giving the ball to Pierce one time too many down the stretch last night? What about the Clippers settling for jumpers and KD playing like a MVP in the third and fourth quarter tonight? What about the Wizards chucking three after three and not knowing how to properly execute an offense when managing a late deficit all series?

Nope. Let's just say the fix is in. Much more compelling argument. Yeah, I'll leave that for all you guys. Got better things to do.


So lets get this straight.

You want a play that doesn't impact the dunk at all by Jordan to wipe it off the books? Really? Paul makes the pass and Jordan is going to dunk it...Collison leaves his feet and is about to land on Paul and you want a little shove there to wipe the play off the books? LOL...I hope you aren't serious.

Durant wasn't set! He was moving backwards when Griffin started his motion and then also was falling backwards before Griffin touched him.

Just don't call anything there. Let the players decide the game.

WB was not fouled by Jordan either...he literally just fell down.



How on earth could OKC fans argue about anything?

The Paul shove didn't impact the play at all
Griffin/Durant call was 50/50 at best (being super generous here)
Westbrook was absolutely not fouled

This is the problem with the current league and current fans. You guys want quick whistles. There is just no way a fan of the game can be in favor of the Paul foul, the Griffin charge, and the WB bailout.

Refs decided the game at the end. Just a fact. Doesn't mean the Clippers win or anything though.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I agree with what DMAVS is saying about how the refs blow their whistles too quickly, especially at the end of the game and make calls that often decide the game. I think the whole pre-determined thing is BS, but I don't think DMAVS is advocating that

[J Shuttlesworth]

I am top notch man.. I was voted most valuable poster 2013.
PM me and we can discuss some ground rules, future information leaks, and a set of weekly chores for you and I will consider you my friend.

[dunksby]

OP you were a leading voice during and after game 5 (and generally since PO started) saying shit is rigged, why are you changing your tune now? Did you see something in your time travels? Are you preparing to change sides?

[tgan3]

Paul makes the pass and Jordan is going to dunk it...Collison leaves his feet and is about to land on Paul and you want a little shove there to wipe the play off the books?

Why not call the offensive foul on collison for jumping to Paul? Its so dumb, someone jumps on you and a person's instinct would be to shield himself, yet that is a foul...Even if Paul just stood there and Collison crashed into him, it would be Paul's offensive foul haha

[J Shuttlesworth]

OP you were a leading voice during and after game 5 (and generally since PO started) saying shit is rigged, why are you changing your tune now? Did you see something in your time travels? Are you preparing to change sides?
I was only trolling the shitty OKC fans who constantly complain about refs. If you see me make a serious post, I generally don't think games are rigged. Bad calls? Yes, but pre-rigged? Different story

[Solefade]

rigged or not, refs DEFINITELY made an impact on this series. good officiated games are the ones where you don't remember/notice refs and the only thing people have been talking about ARE refs, even neutral fans. and also it's hilarious that Zbo got suspended in that game 7 but ibaka didn't get suspended for game 5 after punching griffin in the nuts which definitely would have swayed this series the opposite way.

[BlazerRed]

PM me and we can discuss some ground rules, future information leaks, and a set of weekly chores for you and I will consider you my friend.
Chores :kobe:

[dunksby]

I was only trolling the shitty OKC fans who constantly complain about refs. If you see me make a serious post, I generally don't think games are rigged. Bad calls? Yes, but pre-rigged? Different story
You cannot justify your trolling by bringing up trolling, you feel proud to have followed the likes of Marlo/Sillk/Numbersix? Anyway maybe you should be consistent with your serious posts so one can realize when to address your points.

[Castor Troy]

there have been some bad calls, but to call it rigging may be taking it too far.

[Rake2204]

The fact that a superstar in Griffin has that call go against him at home down in crunch time is just pathetic.On the contrary, for better or worse, I find such a call comforting. It could have been the wrong call, it could have have been the right one, but I'm always glad when it's an official just trying to do the right thing instead of allowing a player's stature (superstar) and location (home game with home crowd) influence one's decision.

From some reports I've read, many officials cannot help but be subconsciously and socially influenced by home crowds (just as we can be as fans sitting on our couch - unruly reactions from fans on TV can often serve as a trigger) but as I said, I wouldn't ever go out of my way to suggest it's pathetic because an official didn't consciously enact such bias.


It's not that the charge call was the worst call ever...it's just that why would anyone be in favor of that call there? Did Durant play good defense? Did he for sure get set and take a real hit?

Hell no to both of those. It's a no call at worst...

Like I said, let the players decide the game.If you're truly interested as to why anyone would be in favor of a call there, from an official's perspective, it was likely noticed that Durant was able to retreat quickly enough to face up the advancing offensive player (Griffin) right as Griffin was crossing the three point line (pausing a video would help illustrate this).

From there, Durant is backpedaling, but he's still completely squared up to Griffin. These types of plays frequently occur in half court sets. I do not believe Durant must have his feet set still to draw an offensive foul. Instead, the idea is he needs to be in good defensive position. Again, he was able to properly square his shoulders very early in that transition attempt, so even while backpedaling, he's still standing in position that he's earned rightfully. He doesn't have to slide laterally to induce contact. Instead, Griffin attempts to plow right through him.

I can see the other side on that call but fundamentally, I most certainly believe there's a lot of merit as to how an official would come to the conclusion of whistling a charge.


1. Collison jumps onto Paul after the play has been made for the Jordan dunk. Non call is absolutely the right call here...Paul didn't impact the play with the push (if you can even call it that) and honestly it's just protection as Collison was about to land on him.I thought that was a tough situation, with the circumstances just not working out in Chris Paul's favor there. I think a non-call would have occurred had two things happened first: 1) If Chris Paul had merely shielded himself and not pushed and extended and 2) If Nick Collison didn't fall as hard as he did.

Unfortunately for Paul, I don't think Collison would have fallen like that had Chris not extended his arm toward Collison's airborne midsection. As a result, it was a play that was very tough for an official to ignore. You see a player's extend as he pushes a guy, you see that guy fall horribly, likely in large part because of the push, and you must make a decision at that very moment. Again, it's not completely unfathomable to imagine how an official came to the conclusion he did.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

there have been some bad calls, but to call it rigging may be taking it too far.
sheep mentallity
Grizzlies series was rigged and so was this series
How it can be denied after what happened in game 5 is just:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[wakencdukest]

Durant does seem to get a lot of questionable calls, but The Clippers clearly got out played last night. That's the reason they lost, not because of the reffing.