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Dro
05-17-2014, 10:51 AM
Here's my thinking...I just saw a stat that said over the last 7 games between these 2 teams, Lebron is still averaging over 30ppg and shooting close to 55% with Paul George on him...Lebron is the best player on the planet and he is going to get his regardless so why not put PG on Wade to neutralize him and put Lance on Lebron? No point in wasting our best defender if their superstar is going to put up his usual numbers anyway.. I figure if Lance can stay out of foul trouble (big if), then maybe he can irritate Lebron and even get in his head...Lance loves the head games as much as anyone and I figure he's strong enough that Lebron can't really post him up like he can post up PG. And he can't just run over Lance on his way to the basket because of Lance's strength.... If Miami is smart, they'd put Lebron in the post a lot more when PG is on him because in the past, PG has shown that he's not strong enough to guard Lebron in the post without some help which leaves open shooters.

I dunno, it was something I was thinking about and I think it would be a very good strategy. If Lance has to come out of the game, then PG back on Lebron if you must but I think Lance should draw the assignment...Lance seems to struggle off the ball and I think Wade is a better off-ball player than Lebron. PG on the other hand is great off-ball and on-ball. Also, PG can hedge off of Wade to help when Lebron drives if Wade is on the perimeter and PG should be able to get back to Wade if he has to. He doesn't want to shoot 3's or long jumpers these days anyway...

What do you guys think? I know Frank probably won't do this because he always likes to go with the traditional way but I think it would be a good strategy..

navy
05-17-2014, 10:53 AM
Let's be honest the only thing relevant in this series is Roy Hibbert.....

KobesFinger
05-17-2014, 11:05 AM
Agree but how good is George's discipline? Will he stay tight to Wade and not help off him? Will he gamble for steals anytime LeBron is near him? If only you still had Granger

imdaman99
05-17-2014, 11:08 AM
I would put Lance on bran. Lance is a psycho and will be up to the challenge. Let George worry about Wade.

This leaves George with a little more energy on offense too. Make it happen Vogel.

Marlo_Stanfield
05-17-2014, 11:11 AM
LeBron would drive on Lance to easily tho and then find the open man or finisha t the rim.
its not a bad idea tho especially since Pg would have more energy on offense:coleman:

sportjames23
05-17-2014, 11:14 AM
Let's be honest the only thing relevant in this series is Roy Hibbert.....


Heat-killer Hibbert is about to reactivate. Don't know why dude goes into Beast Mode for Miami and no other team.

Trollsmasher
05-17-2014, 11:26 AM
Any bets on how quickly would LeBron get Lance ejected?:lol

Dro
05-17-2014, 11:26 AM
Agree but how good is George's discipline? Will he stay tight to Wade and not help off him? Will he gamble for steals anytime LeBron is near him? If only you still had Granger
George does have a tendency to help off of his man but in this case, I'm much more comfortable with him leaving Wade on the perimeter than Korver and even Ariza the way those guys were knocking down 3 pointers.

This would also keep PG out of foul trouble. And I also think that PG is a bit too buddy, buddy with Lebron on the court and PG already has a bad habit of playing very lax until either someone makes him mad or their backs are against the wall....I'd much rather the trash-talking Lance to check Lebron. Like someone else said, Lance would DEFINITELY be up to the challenge...I would tell him to give Lebron a bit of space and just challenge his jump shot...And if he drives just try to hold his ground because he has the strength...And if he posts up, Lance SHOULD be able to hold his own without the double team. I am aware that Lebron is statistically the best post up player in the league but I still don't think his post up game is that great, in terms of multiple moves, footwork etc...He scores in the post mostly because he overpowers everyone. This way we don't have to leave the shooters open. If Lebron wants to get caught in a back and forth with Lance and just try to dominate that matchup, then I'm fine with that because that means the other players won't be involved and Heat are the most dangerous when they are sharing the ball and their shooters are making open jumpshots off of Lebron's creativity...

I dunno, am I crazy?

Dro
05-17-2014, 11:28 AM
Any bets on how quickly would LeBron get Lance ejected?:lol
:lol This is the main thing I'm worried about but I will give Lance the benefit of the doubt. He is capable of staying in the game and staying composed...I love his style and his personality and I don't care if people hate him. If he were on their team, they would love him. Every team needs a guy like him who brings the nasty. I can't stand all the buddy, buddy, "good sportsmanship". Playoff series are the best when there's a bit or a lot of hate involved...Anybody else agree?

secund2nun
05-17-2014, 11:33 AM
Heat-killer Hibbert is about to reactivate. Don't know why dude goes into Beast Mode for Miami and no other team.

Bc Riley has done such a crummy job building around the big 3 by ignoring the most important position on the field for 4 years in a row counting.

Mr. Incredible
05-17-2014, 11:36 AM
Doesn't matter. Heat in 6.

secund2nun
05-17-2014, 11:36 AM
6'8 265 pound Lebron will just post up 6'5 230 pound Lance.

Eric Cartman
05-17-2014, 11:39 AM
6'8 265 pound Lebron will just post up 6'5 230 pound Lance.

To be fair, he can post up PG pretty easily too.

navy
05-17-2014, 11:45 AM
Bc Riley has done such a crummy job building around the big 3 by ignoring the most important position on the field for 4 years in a row counting.
Big Men are an expensive commodity these days. Who has been available that Riley could have gotten?

Dro
05-17-2014, 11:46 AM
6'8 265 pound Lebron will just post up 6'5 230 pound Lance.
Don't let the weight difference fool you, Lance is very strong and he has already shown that he is much tougher to post up than PG is. Also about the fouls, to be fair to Lance, he only commits an average of 2.5 fouls per game over the season. He's not a player that fouls often, despite his style. Now against Lebron, that could all go out the window but I think we should give him more credit for being able to defend without committing a bunch of fouls...Its the STUPID fouls I'm more concerned about moreso than him actually being in foul trouble...

Hoopz2332
05-17-2014, 11:53 AM
http://i.imgur.com/Z8FopzZ.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/wOqvdim.jpg

secund2nun
05-17-2014, 11:57 AM
Big Men are an expensive commodity these days. Who has been available that Riley could have gotten?

Riley was offered Vucevic for Chalmers and Cole, but turned it down. Talk about ultimate fail. There are many cheap big men out there that are a lot better than any center on Miami. Dalembert is only making 3.8 million a year. Most centers with decent size can prevent Hibbert from looking like prime Shaq against Miami. I wanted them to sign Andray Blatche who is being paid vet min, but nope Riley passed on him as well.

Nastradamus
05-17-2014, 12:00 PM
Never heard of that Vucevic rumor. Would have been pretty stupid for Orlando(or Philly). Not buying it.

Did they have 3.8 to sign Dalembert?

Never heard Blatche was interested in signing that deal elsewhere.

he did sign Anthony,Birdman and Oden though in attempts to address the position.

secund2nun
05-17-2014, 12:00 PM
Don't let the weight difference fool you, Lance is very strong and he has already shown that he is much tougher to post up than PG is. Also about the fouls, to be fair to Lance, he only commits an average of 2.5 fouls per game over the season. He's not a player that fouls often, despite his style. Now against Lebron, that could all go out the window but I think we should give him more credit for being able to defend without committing a bunch of fouls...Its the STUPID fouls I'm more concerned about moreso than him actually being in foul trouble...

He is stronger than PG true, though still weaker and undersized compared to Lebron. I think he also gets abused just like PG does. Maybe you are right and he at least doesn't foul out giving PG more energy on offense. That would be a worthy trade off for Indy.

I wonder how PG would defend Wade.

navy
05-17-2014, 12:02 PM
Riley was offered Vucevic for Chalmers and Cole, but turned it down. Talk about ultimate fail. There are many cheap big men out there that are a lot better than any center on Miami. Dalembert is only making 3.8 million a year. Most centers with decent size can prevent Hibbert from looking like prime Shaq against Miami. I wanted them to sign Andray Blatche who is being paid vet min, but nope Riley passed on him as well.
Sources?

secund2nun
05-17-2014, 12:05 PM
Never heard of that Vucevic rumor. Would have been pretty stupid for Orlando(or Philly). Not buying it.

Did they have 3.8 to sign Dalembert?

Never heard Blatche was interested in signing that deal elsewhere.

he did sign Anthony,Birdman and Oden though in attempts to address the position.


Heat 'Feverishly' Pursued Trade For Nikola Vucevic
March 6 at 10:59pm CST By Chuck Myron

Nikola Vucevic gives the Heat fits, having twice gone for at least 20 points and 20 rebounds against the team after tonight's 25-point, 21-board performance. The second-year Magic center could have been putting up those numbers for the Heat instead of against them if Miami had been willing to part with either Mario Chalmers, Norris Cole, or both, according to John Denton of Magic.com (Twitter link). Denton tweets that the Heat were "feverishly" trying to trade for Vucevic when he was with the Sixers last season, but apparently they weren't willing to give up their top two point guards to make it happen.

The Sixers dealt Vucevic to the Magic in August as part of the four-team Dwight Howard/Andrew Bynum blockbuster. The 22-year-old native of Switzerland has blossomed in Orlando, where he averages 12.1 points and 11.2 rebounds per game as the starting center. He's seeing twice as many minutes per game as he did last year with Philadelphia, which made him the 16th overall pick in the 2011 draft. Vucevic saw even less time in the playoffs, notching just three minutes during the Sixers' run to the Eastern Conference semifinals.

The Heat had evidently seen enough to believe he could address their deficiencies in the paint. Miami has grabbed the fewest rebounds of any team in the league, and certainly the addition of Vucevic would have helped remedy that. Money likely wasn't an inhibiting factor for the Heat, since he's on a rookie-scale contract that pays him just $1.7MM this season. Still, Heat president Pat Riley and the rest of the team's front office probably didn't predict Vucevic would develop as well and as quickly as he has. If they had foreseen it, they might have had pause about dealing away both of their top two point guards, though they're apparently confident enough in the ballhandling abilities of Dwayne Wade, LeBron James to go without a third point guard this season.


They didn't have 3.8 million for Dalembert, but could have maybe traded for him or a similar priced center. Also Miami was cheap and didn't use the MMLE this year which would have improved center. Plus drafting Cole was stupid especially since the hole at center was never addressed. We have seen all sorts of decent centers go late in the 1st round and even 2nd round in recent years.

Dro
05-17-2014, 12:08 PM
He is be stronger than PG true, though still weaker and undersized compared to Lebron. I think he also gets abused just like PG does. Maybe you are right and he at least doesn't foul out giving PG more energy on offense. That would be a worthy trade off for Indy.

I wonder how PG would defend Wade.
Good assessment. I agree, Lance is still weaker and undersized compared to Lebron. But he still "fights" back more, you know what I mean? Like, he'll bump Lebron if he is getting backed down, he'll push back. PG seems to just get backed down and he tries to hold his ground but he can't or doesn't "push back", you know what I mean?

As far as how PG might guard Wade, I think he can cheat off of Wade a bit as long as Wade is on the perimeter...But if Wade cuts to the basket or starts moving around more, I hope PG can stick with him and ONLY help on Lebron if Lebron starts going towards the middle and Wade is on the perimeter...I think thats the ideal situation and the one where I think PG is most capable of jumping the passing lanes if Lebron does try to kick it to Wade....

Wade is very good around the rim so if he's close to the rim, or along the baseline, PG has to stay glued to him. Again, only come off of Wade when he's on the perimeter...I am more than satisfied with Wade settling for jump shots, although he is capable of making them. Even if Wade gets his points, I want him to work hard for them and I DON'T want Chalmers, Battier, Allen and those guys getting wide open shots...

Marchesk
05-17-2014, 02:55 PM
6'8 265 pound Lebron will just post up 6'5 230 pound Lance.

Lebron gets his no matter who you put on him. Question is what's the best strategy knowing that.