Replace Karl Malone With Prime Tim Duncan On the Jazz in 1997 and 1998

[LeBron 06]

Does the Jazz win against the bulls?

[robert_shaww]

Does the Jazz win against the bulls?

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[Kvnzhangyay]

Yes

[Rose'sACL]

Yes

[robert_shaww]

Yes

Rodman guarding Duncan..:lol :lol :lol ..jordan and pippen losing against duncan...:lol :lol :lol

4-2 or 4-1 both series....

[pastis]

Rodman guarding Duncan..:lol :lol :lol ..jordan and pippen losing against duncan...:lol :lol :lol

4-2 or 4-1 both series....
:applause: :applause:

[robert_shaww]

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[robert_shaww]

Does the Jazz win against the bulls?

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[robert_shaww]

Does the Jazz win against the bulls?

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[Kvnzhangyay]

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Your obviously never watched the 97 and 98 finals if you think that Bulls would win in 5. With Duncan series could go in 6 or 7 to either team

[robert_shaww]

Your obviously never watched the 97 and 98 finals if you think that Bulls would win in 5. With Duncan series could go in 6 or 7 to either team


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[j3lademaster]

They win in '98. Pippen was hurt that series, a prime Duncan won't let Rodman get under his skin and throw him off his game. I don't think Duncan makes that crucial turnover down the stretch, and would be a more intense defensive presence for the entire series.

[GoSpursGo1984]

Probably not but does not mean Malone is better then Duncan

[navy]

Hmm....Jordan was a monster though. I need to see how much Malone contributed.

[Sarcastic]

Tim Duncan was in college in 1997.

Rookie Tim Duncan wouldn't beat Jordan either.


Keep reaching LeBron stans. It's hilarious to watch.

[Suguru101]

Tim Duncan was in college in 1997.

Rookie Tim Duncan wouldn't beat Jordan either.


Keep reaching LeBron stans. It's hilarious to watch.

Read the op again... he says prime Duncan.

On topic: Yes, they win. It's still competitive, but prime Ducan is much better at creating his own shot than Malone, and he is a much better defensive anchor. Let's remember Rodman was in his late thirties. He is not stopping 2003-2005 Duncan.

[Xiao Yao You]

They would have won it. They would have done better in other years too.

[Xiao Yao You]

Read the op again... he says prime Duncan.

On topic: Yes, they win. It's still competitive, but prime Ducan is much better at creating his own shot than Malone, and he is a much better defensive anchor. Let's remember Rodman was in his late thirties. He is not stopping 2003-2005 Duncan.

Karl never had a problem scoring except when it counted most. Rodman's antics shouldn't have slowed him down either. He choked. Duncan wouldn't have.

[ThatCoolKid]

Karl never had a problem scoring except when it counted most. Rodman's antics shouldn't have slowed him down either. He choked. Duncan wouldn't have.

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[LeBron 06]

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Last year,Duncan was not in his prime

[ThatCoolKid]

Last year,Duncan was not in his prime

He doesn't have the clutch gene.

[LeBron 06]

He doesn't have the clutch gene.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trdsKp94Io0

[T_L_P]

Peak Tim Duncan might have won in '98. Not in '97.

[ThatCoolKid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trdsKp94Io0

Chokes in the Finals were it counts.

[T_L_P]

Chokes in the Finals were it counts.

He won every Finals he was in during his prime :wtf:

Also, he was the best Spur out there. He should have been '03 David Robinson giving you 8/8 in 20 minutes, but no, he had to be a near 20/10 player to beat the Heat.

[IGOTGAME]

Prime Tim Duncan was better than 98 Jordan.

[Roundball_Rock]

The Jazz win twice in this scenario. People forget that 9 of the 12 Bulls-Jazz games during their two Finals match ups were decided by 5 points or less. Given how close the games were, especially in 1998 (other than Game 3 when Scottie Pippen led the defense to holding Utah to 54 points--for the entire game :bowdown: ) it is reasonable to conclude that the overall results would be flipped if the Jazz upgraded from Malone to Duncan.

[robert_shaww]

The Jazz win twice in this scenario. People forget that 9 of the 12 Bulls-Jazz games during their two Finals match ups were decided by 5 points or less. Given how close the games were, especially in 1998 (other than Game 3 when Scottie Pippen led the defense to holding Utah to 54 points--for the entire game :bowdown: ) it is reasonable to conclude that the overall results would be flipped if the Jazz upgraded from Malone to Duncan.


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[deja vu]

Bulls would still win both years. They had no problems dealing with elite big men.

Timmy was a better overall player but Malone was a better offensive force. That pick and roll combo with Stockton was sick.

[deja vu]

The Jazz win twice in this scenario. People forget that 9 of the 12 Bulls-Jazz games during their two Finals match ups were decided by 5 points or less. Given how close the games were, especially in 1998 (other than Game 3 when Scottie Pippen led the defense to holding Utah to 54 points--for the entire game :bowdown: ) it is reasonable to conclude that the overall results would be flipped if the Jazz upgraded from Malone to Duncan.
It doesn't work that way. Duncan would improve the Jazz defense but won't be able to match or exceed Malone's offensive production.

[T_L_P]

It doesn't work that way. Duncan would improve the Jazz defense but won't be able to match or exceed Malone's offensive production.

'97 Finals: 23.8 PPG, .485 TS%
'98 Finals: 25.0 PPG, .553 TS%

Prime Duncan could have definitely beat '97 Malone's production.

[stalkerforlife]

Absolutely not.

[Deuce Bigalow]

'97 Finals: 23.8 PPG, .485 TS%
'98 Finals: 25.0 PPG, .553 TS%

Prime Duncan could have definitely beat '97 Malone's production.
'05 Finals: 20.6 ppg, .471 ts%
'07 Finals: 18.3 ppg, .483 ts%

[Rocketswin2013]

The offensive drop off is much bigger than people want to think. Duncan would have to play his tail off defensively to even top Malone's impact.

[IGOTGAME]

The offensive drop off is much bigger than people want to think. Duncan would have to play his tail off defensively to even top Malone's impact.

Duncan could score whenever he needed too. If any those teams ever needed more than Duncan could have done that. His game was about filling in whereever he was needed most. Duncan was a better offensive player than Malone.

[Rocketswin2013]

Duncan could score whenever he needed too. If any those teams ever needed more than Duncan could have done that. His game was about filling in whereever he was needed most. Duncan was a better offensive player than Malone.
Oh. Come on. I know Timmy is better but the disrespect for certain players on ISH is ridiculous. Malone > Duncan offensively

[T_L_P]

The offensive drop off is much bigger than people want to think. Duncan would have to play his tail off defensively to even top Malone's impact.

Malone 97-98 Playoffs: 26.1 PPG, .453 FG%, 3.1 APG.

Duncan 98-07 Playoffs: 24.0 PPG, .503 FG%, 3.7 APG.

And I'm pretty sure Duncan's teams were almost always playing at a slower pace in those years.

[ProfessorMurder]

Bulls win. Maybe takes 7 in 98. People are sleeping on how good Malone was.

Jordan/Pippen/Rodman/Kukoc > Stockton/Hornacek/Duncan

[deja vu]

Duncan could score whenever he needed too. If any those teams ever needed more than Duncan could have done that. His game was about filling in whereever he was needed most. Duncan was a better offensive player than Malone.
This is preposterous. I'm a huge Duncan fan and I don't consider him as a better offensive player than Malone. Malone was putting up 26-29 ppg most seasons and was still putting up MVP numbers as 34-35 year old. There's a reason he's second all time leading scorer.

[T_L_P]

This is preposterous. I'm a huge Duncan fan and I don't consider him as a better offensive player than Malone. Malone was putting up 26-29 ppg most seasons and was still putting up MVP numbers as 34-35 year old. There's a reason he's second all time leading scorer.

As I pointed out above, Malone's production in '97 and '98 wasn't better than Duncan's from '98-'07.

Malone 97-98 Playoffs: 26.1 PPG, .453 FG%, 3.1 APG.

Duncan 98-07 Playoffs: 24.0 PPG, .503 FG%, 3.7 APG.

And imagine if Duncan had one of the two best passing guards ever.

I don't necessarily think prime/peak Duncan on the Jazz would have beaten the Bulls, but I think they'd have had a better shot.

[Xiao Yao You]

Bulls win. Maybe takes 7 in 98. People are sleeping on how good Malone was.

Jordan/Pippen/Rodman/Kukoc > Stockton/Hornacek/Duncan

People are sleeping on how bad he was when it counted most.

[ProfessorMurder]

People are sleeping on how bad he was when it counted most.
:rolleyes:

[Sharmer]

Hell no

[tpols]

'05 Finals: 20.6 ppg, .471 ts%
'07 Finals: 18.3 ppg, .483 ts%

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[T_L_P]

'05 Finals: 20.6 ppg, .471 ts%
'07 Finals: 18.3 ppg, .483 ts%

'07 was was pretty much the end of Duncan's prime, therefore that data has no use in this thread. And the '05 Pistons were a defensive monster, and they were double teaming Duncan almost as soon as he touched the ball. He was going up against Ben Wallance (best defensive big in the league) and Rasheed, who was a poor man's Rodman on defense.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Definitely not. In fact, I think if Krause wasn't egotistical and cheap ... keeping the Bulls together for the 1999 season. Maybe inject a bit of youth around MJ, Pip, and Rodman ... Bulls had quite a chance at beating the Spurs that season too.

[[GR]]

Rookie Duncan went 19pts and 22 rebs vs the '98 Bulls. Prime Duncan would have beasted them. And the defense would be a bigger factor.


Imagine if Tim had Stockton in his prime? He'd average 25+ a season

[Uncle Drew]

:rolleyes:
Mailman doesn't deliver on Sunday.

[elementally morale]

At least one out of two, yes.

[Verticality]

Does the Jazz win against the bulls?

I don't think they would because of how perfect Stockton and Malone fit. I fully believe Duncan is better than Malone, but him and Stockton wouldn't compliment each other as much. Duncan's defense gives them a chance to steal one though.

[Harison]

No.

[Anaximandro1]

Some thoughts :

-Jordan is the GOAT. He's still a beast at age 34-35

-Bulls and Rodman can't intimidate Duncan.

Tim dropped 19 pt / 22 rb in the third game of his NBA career against the Bulls.

November 3, 1997 -> Spurs 83 - Bulls 87 (Duncan 19 pt / 22 rb) (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199711030CHI.html)



-99 Jazz got totally owned by Duncan.

Las Vegas - Favorites to win 1999 NBA title (Feb 6, 1999)
(http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1999-02-06/sports/9902060234_1_scott-magic-outlaw)
The favorites are the Utah Jazz and Indiana Pacers at 7-2. The Lakers are at 3-1, followed by the New York Knicks and San Antonio Spurs at 5-1, and the Houston Rockets at 6-1.


In 1999 the Jazz and the Lakers were heavily favored to win the NBA title. In fact, Malone won his second MVP in 1999.

Jazz (32-8) dominated the regular season until the Spurs (28-12) visited the Delta Center. Utah had beaten San Antonio in eight of the last nine meetings. The Jazz had eliminated the Spurs from the playoffs in 1994, 1996 and 1998.

The Spurs were obsessed with beating the Jazz

[robert_shaww]

Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
'05 Finals: 20.6 ppg, .471 ts%
'07 Finals: 18.3 ppg, .483 ts%

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[T_L_P]

Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
'05 Finals: 20.6 ppg, .471 ts%
'07 Finals: 18.3 ppg, .483 ts%

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One was pretty much the end of his prime and the other was against the best defensive big in the league.

People have already posted what Duncan did to the Bulls when he played them.

[robert_shaww]

One was pretty much the end of his prime and the other was against the best defensive big in the league.

People have already posted what Duncan did to the Bulls when he played them.

when he played them in the regular season....come on....do you really, really, really think that duncan is winning against jordan pippen and rodman in the playoffs with those idiots white jazz players?? PLEASE!!!!

[iamgine]

Hard to say. Malone always put up huge numbers but 3 things are against him when compared to Duncan:

1. Duncan is better in huge moments
2. Duncan is better defensively
3. Malone is better at creating own shot

It now just depends if having those 3 things are enough to beat the Bulls.

[robert_shaww]

Hard to say. Malone always put up huge numbers but 3 things are against him when compared to Duncan:

1. Duncan is better in huge moments
2. Duncan is better defensively
3. Malone is better at creating own shot

It now just depends if having those 3 things are enough to beat the Bulls.

jordan is not losing against ANY NBA PLAYER OF ANY ERA with those jazz (without malone...)

[T_L_P]

when he played them in the regular season....come on....do you really, really, really think that duncan is winning against jordan pippen and rodman in the playoffs with those idiots white jazz players?? PLEASE!!!!

Nope, he probably isn't. Peak Duncan has a solid chance in '98 though.

[iamgine]

jordan is not losing against ANY NBA PLAYER OF ANY ERA with those jazz (without malone...)
Nah he'll lose against a few in their prime. Bulls were old.

[robert_shaww]

Nope, he probably isn't. Peak Duncan has a solid chance in '98 though.

horaneck defending jordan was a joke...same with russel...stockton didnt do much...he didnt even score some games...ostertag!!! foster!!! uuuhh...it was just malone...put kareem there, duncan, oneal, olajuwon or chamberlain...same result...

[deja vu]

']Rookie Duncan went 19pts and 22 rebs vs the '98 Bulls. Prime Duncan would have beasted them. And the defense would be a bigger factor.


Imagine if Tim had Stockton in his prime? He'd average 25+ a season
Shaq also beasted on the Bulls but it didn't matter. :no:

Malone and Stockton were perfect for each other. Duncan would be less effective than Malone in the pick and roll which is the Jazz's bread and butter.

[Paul George 24]

It doesn't work that way. Duncan would improve the Jazz defense but won't be able to match or exceed Malone's offensive production.

duncan's offence would be upgrade,if he has the best pg ever feed him the ball :banana:

[sd3035]

Malone > Duncan

[T_L_P]

Malone > Duncan

Yeah, Karl Malone and all his loses to 42-44 win teams is better than Duncan. :roll:

Malone's not even better statistically, and that's the only thing people use to prop him up.

[Paul George 24]

Malone > Duncan
malone always underperform in playoffs :no:

[Neal Romer]

I dont know tbh.

[ArbitraryWater]

Man, robert_shaww..

one of the best posters this fine electronic establishment ever had.