Duncan is better than Kobe. deal with it

[kennethgriffin]

points dont matter. scoring is just one small facet of the game. anyone can score. can kobe play center? no... duncan doesnt need fisher to win. hes made more conference finals.


1998 - duncan
1999 - duncan
2000 - duncan ( woulda won the title if he wasnt injured )
2001 - duncan ( kobe had shaq )
2002 - duncan ( mvp means best player )
2003 - duncan ( finals mvp )
2004 - duncan ( robbed by fisher. that game cost the spurs another title )
2005 - duncan ( kobe couldnt even stay healthy... bum )
2006 - duncan ( better record )
2007 - duncan ( real finals mvp )
2008 - kobe
2009 - kobe
2010 - kobe
2011 - duncan ( kobe had no knees. he shoulda retired then and there )
2012 - duncan ( no explination needed )
2013 - duncan ( made nba finals. ray allen bs cost duncan another ring )
2014 - duncan ( kobe cant even keep his achilles together )



it doesnt matter if kobe won a bunch of meaningless player of the decade awards. duncan was named by Ian Thompson as the SI player of the decade. the only one that matters... 1 man who works for SI >>>>> the hundreds of writers who voted for sporting news or dime magazine... and the millions that voted for TNT



popovich was smoking crack in 2006 when he said kobe was the most talented player on both ends.

everyone knows duncans more efficient and is a defensive anchor

big men run the nba


need i say more?


ok... gasol = 2009/2010 finals mvp. kobe = carried by big men his whole life

shot jacking piece of sH9t

[Warfan]

You've seen the light :applause:

[Yankstar]

:applause:

[T_L_P]

Great list.

One small thing: Duncan's knees have been bone-on-bone for years now. Kobe should not be using that excuse for 2011.

[kennethgriffin]

You've seen the light :applause:


yup... f*ckin rapist shoulda been locked up in 2003.. he owes his 1st 3 rings to shaq. f*ckin rat sold out shaq and bought his wife a ring so she wouldnt take half his money

god damn rat faced snitch b*tch italian piece of sh*t


he gets away with chucking 50 shots a game... his team mates bail him out

anyone can get 40 game winning shots when they take every single shot for a teams history


i cant believe this guy is the highest paid player in the league.. worst contract of all time... duncan took a pay cut


duncan cares about winning. kobe doesnt. all he wants is money. he acts like he cares about titles but hes fake


always been fake. i hate the guy. hate him with a passion


his tattoos gay too. butterfly crown.. some b*(tch sh9t brah

his kids are ugly


his mom doesnt even like his a**.. she sold his sh(*t lmao what a bum. does anyone like him?


1 mvp? what a bum. honestly... steve nash has more... hahahahahaha loser


in the end its all about this

duncan = 4 finals mvps

kobe = 0 finals mvps

shaq = 3... gasol = 2


we know the facts people


wake up

[zoom17]

op sees the light:cheers:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

holy flying fck what a meltdown:biggums:

[Yankstar]

yup... f*ckin rapist shoulda been locked up in 2003.. he owes his 1st 3 rings to shaq. f*ckin rat sold out shaq and bought his wife a ring so she wouldnt take half his money

god damn rat faced snitch b*tch italian piece of sh*t


he gets away with chucking 50 shots a game... his team mates bail him out

anyone can get 40 game winning shots when they take every single shot for a teams history


i cant believe this guy is the highest paid player in the league.. worst contract of all time... duncan took a pay cut


duncan cares about winning. kobe doesnt. all he wants is money. he acts like he cares about titles but hes fake


always been fake. i hate the guy. hate him with a passion


his tattoos gay too. butterfly crown.. some b*(tch sh9t brah

his kids are ugly


his mom doesnt even like his a**.. she sold his sh(*t lmao what a bum. does anyone like him?


1 mvp? what a bum. honestly... steve nash has more... hahahahahaha loser


in the end its all about this

duncan = 4 finals mvps

kobe = 0 finals mvps

shaq = 3... gasol = 2


we know the facts people


wake up


But.. But... Eye test? :rant

[kennethgriffin]

op sees the light:cheers:

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


pretty obvious yo


kobe cant win sh*t without fisher either... whats he got without him? nothin

another thing... whats with that 3 for 50 game 7 2010 finals


he missed more shots than a blind porn star

anyone know how boston lost that game? refs f*cking rigged it yo!


that B8tch got knocked out cold by midget chris childs... what could anyone like about the guy.

everyone knows the only reason he ever had success was cause he played for the lakers. the league rigged all their titles. he woulda had none playing in charlotte...

you coulda replaced him with iverson or tmac and the lakers win more titles


kobe shoulda stayed shaqs b*tch side kick averaging 13 points or whatever... dude did absolutely nothing


( insert shaq carrying kobe picture )

LOL BUMM :roll: :roll: :roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

OP is acting like this is news

[kennethgriffin]

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http://i61.tinypic.com/a9tvk.jpg
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

OP is acting like this is news


has kobe ever been the best player in the nba??????


HELL NO

:cheers:

[joeyjoejoe]

Can't tell if op is trolling or actually pissed about kobes contract and lakers season

[Cocaine80s]

Duncan>Kobe>Shaq

[kennethgriffin]

wow this is way easier than being a kobe fan on ish... so many haters... so this is what its like to have everyone agree with me on something



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: i actually feel like i'm part of the family for once




f*ckin rat faced snitch cheatin a** rapist big man carried no talent chucking foney a** fake black euro trash spoiled brat punk b*tch

[oh the horror]

OP signed off after that tirade and ripped his shirt off while crying and punching the walls in his basement.



Jesus Christ :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

OP signed off after that tirade and ripped his shirt off while crying and punching the walls in his basement.



Jesus Christ :oldlol:


i was just tryin to make fun of the fake "kobe fan with a kobe is better than duncan. deal with it" thread


the joke flew right past everyones heads

would expect nothing less from ISH regulars. :lol

[TheMagicMan]

ISH finally broke Kenneth. RIP a fellow Kobe troll :cry:

[sportjames23]

Someone done hacked kenneth's account.

[5 rings fan]

i was just tryin to make fun of the fake "kobe fan with a kobe is better than duncan. deal with it" thread


the joke flew right past everyones heads

would expect nothing less from ISH regulars. :lol

STFU

[dr.hee]

So subtle.

It's beautiful to watch the fake ego of another superstar stan break down when their idol is getting closer and closer to retiring while collecting 30 mil a year for no apparent reason.

Well done, Griff. I especially appreciate your "joke" going over the head of everybody. Glad you've explained it, I wouldn't have noticed. It's some heavy meta-shit, because in the end you're accidentally stating the truth with your thread title while thinking you're saying what everybody else is wrongly saying although you're believing the opposite. That's deep.

Basically, Griff is like a flat-earth believer "exposing" everybody by saying the earth is in fact a sphere. Congrats, genius.

:applause:

[Paul George 24]

points dont matter. scoring is just one small facet of the game. anyone can score. can kobe play center? no... duncan doesnt need fisher to win. hes made more conference finals.


1998 - duncan
1999 - duncan
2000 - duncan ( woulda won the title if he wasnt injured )
2001 - duncan ( kobe had shaq )
2002 - duncan ( mvp means best player )
2003 - duncan ( finals mvp )
2004 - duncan ( robbed by fisher. that game cost the spurs another title )
2005 - duncan ( kobe couldnt even stay healthy... bum )
2006 - duncan ( better record )
2007 - duncan ( real finals mvp )
2008 - kobe
2009 - kobe
2010 - kobe
2011 - duncan ( kobe had no knees. he shoulda retired then and there )
2012 - duncan ( no explination needed )
2013 - duncan ( made nba finals. ray allen bs cost duncan another ring )
2014 - duncan ( kobe cant even keep his achilles together )



it doesnt matter if kobe won a bunch of meaningless player of the decade awards. duncan was named by Ian Thompson as the SI player of the decade. the only one that matters... 1 man who works for SI >>>>> the hundreds of writers who voted for sporting news or dime magazine... and the millions that voted for TNT



popovich was smoking crack in 2006 when he said kobe was the most talented player on both ends.

everyone knows duncans more efficient and is a defensive anchor

big men run the nba


need i say more?


ok... gasol = 2009/2010 finals mvp. kobe = carried by big men his whole life

shot jacking piece of sH9t

good,finally u realise duncan >>>>>>>> kobe :applause:

[red1]

its not that serious bruh

[pauk]

What the hell happened to Kenneth :eek:

[ArbitraryWater]

OP signed off after that tirade and ripped his shirt off while crying and punching the walls in his basement.



Jesus Christ :oldlol:

:oldlol: :oldlol:

What an epic meltdown, wow.

[ArbitraryWater]

Someone done hacked kenneth's account.

dafuq? You do know he tried to display how inconsistent everyone's criteria is with Kobe/Duncan and how the Haters talk about him?

Hilarious meltdown though.

[Uncle Drew]

LOL, meltdown.

[robert_shaww]

points dont matter. scoring is just one small facet of the game. anyone can score. can kobe play center? no... duncan doesnt need fisher to win. hes made more conference finals.


1998 - duncan
1999 - duncan
2000 - duncan ( woulda won the title if he wasnt injured )
2001 - duncan ( kobe had shaq )
2002 - duncan ( mvp means best player )
2003 - duncan ( finals mvp )
2004 - duncan ( robbed by fisher. that game cost the spurs another title )
2005 - duncan ( kobe couldnt even stay healthy... bum )
2006 - duncan ( better record )
2007 - duncan ( real finals mvp )
2008 - kobe
2009 - kobe
2010 - kobe
2011 - duncan ( kobe had no knees. he shoulda retired then and there )
2012 - duncan ( no explination needed )
2013 - duncan ( made nba finals. ray allen bs cost duncan another ring )
2014 - duncan ( kobe cant even keep his achilles together )





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[T_L_P]

Bolted:

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Are the bolded years that you think Kobe was better in?

[robert_shaww]

Are the bolded years that you think Kobe was better in?

of course. some tied.

[T_L_P]

of course. some tied.

2002:

Duncan in the reg: 26/13/4/3, .576 TS%, 27.0 PER
Kobe in the reg: 25/6/6/2, .544 TS%, 23.3 PER

Duncan in the Playoffs: 28/14/5/4, .550 TS%, 31.8 PER
Kobe in the Playoffs: 27/6/5/1/1, .511 TS%, 20.5 PER

Duncan played 10 less games (19 to 9, the Spurs actually played 10 games but Duncan missed one due to his father's passing) but only had 0.6 less Win Shares.

Let's see Kobe beat a Shaq/Duncan tandem with rookie Tony Parker, injured David Robinson (missed 6 Playoff games), Bruce Bowen, Steve Smith, Malik Rose, Antonio Daniels, Danny Ferry, Terry Porter.

2004:

Duncan in the reg: 22/13/3/1/3, 27.1 PER
Kobe in the reg: 24/6/5/2, 23.7 PER

Duncan in the Playoffs: 22/11/3/1/2, 24.1 PER
Kobe in the Playoffs: 25/5/6/2, 21.0 PER


2005: Kobe missed 16 games and the Playoffs. How is he anywhere near Duncan in '05, who played with better production in the regular season and actually had a Playoff run. You have Kobe over Duncan in 2000 (I'm assuming because he missed the Playoffs), so why doesn't the same apply for 2005, especially when Duncan actually better in both the 2000 and 2005 regular seasons?

Other than that, not a bad selection on your part.

[robert_shaww]

2002:

Duncan in the reg: 26/13/4/3, .576 TS%, 27.0 PER
Kobe in the reg: 25/6/6/2, .544 TS%, 23.3 PER

Duncan in the Playoffs: 28/14/5/4, .550 TS%, 31.8 PER
Kobe in the Playoffs: 27/6/5/1/1, .511 TS%, 20.5 PER

Duncan played 10 less games (19 to 9, the Spurs actually played 10 games but Duncan missed one due to his father's passing) but only had 0.6 less Win Shares.

Let's see Kobe beat a Shaq/Duncan tandem with rookie Tony Parker, injured David Robinson (missed 6 Playoff games), Bruce Bowen, Steve Smith, Malik Rose, Antonio Daniels, Danny Ferry, Terry Porter.

2004:

Duncan in the reg: 22/13/3/1/3, 27.1 PER
Kobe in the reg: 24/6/5/2, 23.7 PER

Duncan in the Playoffs: 22/11/3/1/2, 24.1 PER
Kobe in the Playoffs: 25/5/6/2, 21.0 PER


2005: Kobe missed 16 games and the Playoffs. How is he anywhere near Duncan in '05, who played with better production in the regular season and actually had a Playoff run. You have Kobe over Duncan in 2000 (I'm assuming because he missed the Playoffs), so why doesn't the same apply for 2005, especially when Duncan actually better in both the 2000 and 2005 regular seasons?

Other than that, not a bad selection on your part.


Look, they are close anyway, give me kobe because i love his killer instint, thats it...if horry hits that 3 in 20003 game 5.......my god....its ALL over...

[T_L_P]

Look, they are close anyway, give me kobe because i love his killer instint, thats it...if horry hits that 3 in 20003 game 5.......my god....its ALL over...

But he didn't. You postulate so much about Duncan being bailed out by his teammates, and your talking about the exact same for Kobe.

You couldn't present a single case for any of the years I listed. Therefore, Duncan > Kobe in '02, '04 and '05.

[robert_shaww]

But he didn't. You postulate so much about Duncan being bailed out by his teammates, and your talking about the exact same for Kobe.

You couldn't present a single case for any of the years I listed. Therefore, Duncan > Kobe in '02, '04 and '05.

im giving you 05, but in 04 and 02 kobe played the finals...give me bryant (not only because of the playoff run....)

04 im 100% sure

[T_L_P]

im giving you 05, but in 04 and 02 kobe played the finals...give me bryant (not only because of the playoff run....)

04 im 100% sure

2002 is pretty much the same as 2007. Kobe had the team, Duncan didn't. The difference is, Duncan was better in the 2002 regular season and much better in 2002 Playoffs. In 2007, however, Kobe played better in the regular season but Duncan played better in the Playoffs.

Duncan '02 regular season: 27.0 PER
Duncan '02 Playoffs: 31.8 PER

Kobe '02 regular season: 23.2 PER
Kobe '02 Playoffs: 20.5 PER

Duncan '07 regular season: 26.1 PER
Duncan '07 Playoffs: 27.4 PER

Kobe '07 regular season: 26.1 PER
Kobe '07 Playoffs: 24.1 PER

At least remain consistent. You can't give Kobe '02 because he made the Finals, and not give it to Duncan in '07, especially when Duncan's production was better than Kobe's in both seasons. :confusedshrug:

[robert_shaww]

2002 is pretty much the same as 2007. Kobe had the team, Duncan didn't. The difference is, Duncan was better in the 2002 regular season and much better in 2002 Playoffs. In 2007, however, Kobe played better in the regular season but Duncan played better in the Playoffs.

Duncan '02 regular season: 27.0 PER
Duncan '02 Playoffs: 31.8 PER

Kobe '02 regular season: 23.2 PER
Kobe '02 Playoffs: 20.5 PER

Duncan '07 regular season: 26.1 PER
Duncan '07 Playoffs: 27.4 PER

Kobe '07 regular season: 26.1 PER
Kobe '07 Playoffs: 24.1 PER

At least remain consistent. You can't give Kobe '02 because he made the Finals, and not give it to Duncan in '07, especially when Duncan's production was better than Kobe's in both seasons. :confusedshrug:

ok, fine.

[T_L_P]

ok, fine.

You say that, but next thread when someone says Duncan > Kobe in '02 or '05, you'll post a surprised gif. of some kind. :confusedshrug:

I gave Kobe 2000, 2001, and 2008-2012, and a tie in 2006. I'd actually probably give Kobe the edge that year now. 2007 is very debatable, but I'm giving Duncan the edge.

[ArbitraryWater]

Look, they are close anyway, give me kobe because i love his killer instint, thats it...if horry hits that 3 in 20003 game 5.......my god....its ALL over...

:roll: :roll:

[Paul George 24]

:roll: :roll: Dude you're so retarded lmfao
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Akrazotile]

holy flying fck what a meltdown:biggums:


:roll:

[Springsteen]

:lebronamazed:

[ISHGoat]

check into a mental asylum bro...

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe's easily better simply because he's had to deal with a dramatized and unstable franchise his entire career. Yes, they will spend money...but they're morons.

Duncan's been on the best franchise and played for a GOAT coach his entire career.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Kobe's easily better simply because he's had to deal with a dramatized and unstable franchise his entire career. Yes, they will spend money...but they're morons.

Duncan's been on the best franchise and played for a GOAT coach his entire career.
We just gonna ignore that Kobe had Phil for all five of his rings?

[ISHGoat]

Kobe's easily better simply because he's had to deal with a dramatized and unstable franchise his entire career. Yes, they will spend money...but they're morons.

Duncan's been on the best franchise and played for a GOAT coach his entire career.

bro you need to stop clinging to another man's nuts. he wasnt that good of a player - around top 20-25 all time for me. resume wise? sure he is top 10. but remember that he played for phil and with shaq + his stacked 09/10 team.

[DCL]

points dont matter. scoring is just one small facet of the game. anyone can score. can kobe play center? no... duncan doesnt need fisher to win. hes made more conference finals.


1998 - duncan
1999 - duncan
2000 - duncan ( woulda won the title if he wasnt injured )
2001 - duncan ( kobe had shaq )
2002 - duncan ( mvp means best player )
2003 - duncan ( finals mvp )
2004 - duncan ( robbed by fisher. that game cost the spurs another title )
2005 - duncan ( kobe couldnt even stay healthy... bum )
2006 - duncan ( better record )
2007 - duncan ( real finals mvp )
2008 - kobe
2009 - kobe
2010 - kobe
2011 - duncan ( kobe had no knees. he shoulda retired then and there )
2012 - duncan ( no explination needed )
2013 - duncan ( made nba finals. ray allen bs cost duncan another ring )
2014 - duncan ( kobe cant even keep his achilles together )



it doesnt matter if kobe won a bunch of meaningless player of the decade awards. duncan was named by Ian Thompson as the SI player of the decade. the only one that matters... 1 man who works for SI >>>>> the hundreds of writers who voted for sporting news or dime magazine... and the millions that voted for TNT



popovich was smoking crack in 2006 when he said kobe was the most talented player on both ends.

everyone knows duncans more efficient and is a defensive anchor

big men run the nba


need i say more?


ok... gasol = 2009/2010 finals mvp. kobe = carried by big men his whole life

shot jacking piece of sH9t


you're the weirdest troll ever, man

[T_L_P]

Kobe's easily better simply because he's had to deal with a dramatized and unstable franchise his entire career. Yes, they will spend money...but they're morons.

Duncan's been on the best franchise and played for a GOAT coach his entire career.

Circumstance = basketball ability and on-court impact? :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Circumstance = basketball ability and on-court impact? :roll:

Yes.

Duncan's always had a great supporting cast and GOAT level coach.

And Kobe still won as many titles and beat him head to head in the playoffs 4-2.

[stalkerforlife]

We just gonna ignore that Kobe had Phil for all five of his rings?

Duncan had Pop for all 5.

And Pop for the rest of his career.

And still has the same amount of titles.

And Duncan's ALWAYS had a great supporting cast.

[stalkerforlife]

bro you need to stop clinging to another man's nuts. he wasnt that good of a player - around top 20-25 all time for me. resume wise? sure he is top 10. but remember that he played for phil and with shaq + his stacked 09/10 team.

Your opinion is meaningless to me.

And you're a troll.

[sportjames23]

points dont matter. scoring is just one small facet of the game. anyone can score. can kobe play center? no... duncan doesnt need fisher to win. hes made more conference finals.


1998 - duncan
1999 - duncan
2000 - duncan ( woulda won the title if he wasnt injured )
2001 - duncan ( kobe had shaq )
2002 - duncan ( mvp means best player )
2003 - duncan ( finals mvp )
2004 - duncan ( robbed by fisher. that game cost the spurs another title )
2005 - duncan ( kobe couldnt even stay healthy... bum )
2006 - duncan ( better record )
2007 - duncan ( real finals mvp )
2008 - kobe
2009 - kobe
2010 - kobe
2011 - duncan ( kobe had no knees. he shoulda retired then and there )
2012 - duncan ( no explination needed )
2013 - duncan ( made nba finals. ray allen bs cost duncan another ring )
2014 - duncan ( kobe cant even keep his achilles together )



it doesnt matter if kobe won a bunch of meaningless player of the decade awards. duncan was named by Ian Thompson as the SI player of the decade. the only one that matters... 1 man who works for SI >>>>> the hundreds of writers who voted for sporting news or dime magazine... and the millions that voted for TNT



popovich was smoking crack in 2006 when he said kobe was the most talented player on both ends.

everyone knows duncans more efficient and is a defensive anchor

big men run the nba


need i say more?


ok... gasol = 2009/2010 finals mvp. kobe = carried by big men his whole life

shot jacking piece of sH9t


This is what a broken man looks like, fellas. Even a year ago, you would have NEVER seen kenneth say Duncan is better than Kobe.

[HenryGarfunkle]

Yes.

Duncan's always had a great supporting cast and GOAT level coach.

And Kobe still won as many titles and beat him head to head in the playoffs 4-2.
How ironic.

Now Kobe stans are using what's been against LeBron most of his career. Lack of good coaching and talent around him.

It's like you retards forget Kobe was carried to 3 rings by the MDE and played under the Zen master for the majority of his career.

:facepalm

[FKAri]

This is what a broken man looks like, fellas. Even a year ago, you would have NEVER seen kenneth say Duncan is better than Kobe.

The posted you quoted is over a year old.

https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif

[sportjames23]

The posted you quoted is over a year old.

https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif


I meant a year before that. Yeah, that's it.







































:D


Nikka's still a broken man.

[Showtime2001]

Kobe > Duncan.

[Jameerthefear]

The posted you quoted is over a year old.

https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif
Dude's so dumb

[sportjames23]

Dude's so dumb


Says the eternal virgin.

[Dragonyeuw]

Am I cracking up, or have I seen countless posts from the OP arguing Kobe> Duncan? :confusedshrug:

[dhsilv]

of course. some tied.

No sane person on this planet would rank 2002 Kobe over 2002 Duncan. Some of those other years you could debate.

clearly 2011 and 2006 were Kobe years. The rest are all about equal or favor Duncan (that he listed for duncan), but 2002 was unquestionable. 2003 was closer than 2002 and Duncan basically one a one man offense that year and carried the spurs to a title with only a cameo by Robinson in the playoffs.

[dhsilv]

You say that, but next thread when someone says Duncan > Kobe in '02 or '05, you'll post a surprised gif. of some kind. :confusedshrug:

I gave Kobe 2000, 2001, and 2008-2012, and a tie in 2006. I'd actually probably give Kobe the edge that year now. 2007 is very debatable, but I'm giving Duncan the edge.

I was going to argue against 2001 just based on memory but looking over the numbers...that year I'd give Duncan but I'd do it based on playing 14 more games. Actually surprised by kobe's stats in 2001. I don't remember him being that good at that stage of his career. I recall in 01 and 02 thinking (this guy is GOING to be a super star) and in 03 going, and he has arrived. But it almost looks like 01 he arrived and just wasn't so great in the playoffs.

As silly as these kinds of threads are, it's fun to go back and watch a few youtube clips and compare stats to refresh our memories of years past.

[dhsilv]

Kobe's easily better simply because he's had to deal with a dramatized and unstable franchise his entire career. Yes, they will spend money...but they're morons.

Duncan's been on the best franchise and played for a GOAT coach his entire career.

I'm so tired of this stuff. Kobe has been a HUGE part of the LA drama. The spurs were on the brink of firing pop even after he won in 99. The spurs had Tony Parker out there banging other player's wives (I'm just going to assume we only heard about the one...oh to be rich, a star athlete and have a french accent). The spurs had stephen jackson and he was a key player for them!

Then and I have no idea if you fit into this, the same people who say the spurs organization was better than the lakers (there's truth here all be it the spurs have made some HUGE blunders such as Jefferson) are the same people who tell me analytics are shit. Of course the spurs were one of the biggest and first adopters of analytics.

The awful and inconsistent arguments just have to stop. So yes Duncan has a more stable team over his career, but Duncan was a big part of that stability. Yes the spurs organization did use analytics and luck to draft better than just about anyone over his 20 years and that helped duncan. Those same analytics used to build offense schemes, player substitution patterns, and player selection also think Duncan was a better player over his career.

After all this we're not even getting into if or who made the people around him better. That argument gets really subjective which is why I'll pass on it, but to me it's pretty clear that Duncan had a huge influence on guys like Parker becoming who they are. It's a mixture of being coachable, doing things off the ball that rarely get noticed, playing defense in a way that takes stress off others, and just setting a tone. Again all that's subjective and not worthy of a real argument. It's an interesting discussion but one I'd rather not have with just Kobe and Duncan.

[Mr Feeny]

I'm so tired of this stuff. Kobe has been a HUGE part of the LA drama. The spurs were on the brink of firing pop even after he won in 99. The spurs had Tony Parker out there banging other player's wives (I'm just going to assume we only heard about the one...oh to be rich, a star athlete and have a french accent). The spurs had stephen jackson and he was a key player for them!

Then and I have no idea if you fit into this, the same people who say the spurs organization was better than the lakers (there's truth here all be it the spurs have made some HUGE blunders such as Jefferson) are the same people who tell me analytics are shit. Of course the spurs were one of the biggest and first adopters of analytics.

The awful and inconsistent arguments just have to stop. So yes Duncan has a more stable team over his career, but Duncan was a big part of that stability. Yes the spurs organization did use analytics and luck to draft better than just about anyone over his 20 years and that helped duncan. Those same analytics used to build offense schemes, player substitution patterns, and player selection also think Duncan was a better player over his career.

After all this we're not even getting into if or who made the people around him better. That argument gets really subjective which is why I'll pass on it, but to me it's pretty clear that Duncan had a huge influence on guys like Parker becoming who they are. It's a mixture of being coachable, doing things off the ball that rarely get noticed, playing defense in a way that takes stress off others, and just setting a tone. Again all that's subjective and not worthy of a real argument. It's an interesting discussion but one I'd rather not have with just Kobe and Duncan.

He hasn't been a huge part. He's been the SOLE reason for the drama surrounding the Lakers. Why do you think Malone retired? He was QUOTED saying "I'm not going back. Not gonna be another part of the Kobe soap opera"

The guy is the single biggest cancer in the history of the sport. It's crazy how different him and Duncan are going out. Duncan is going out with class and in a respectable way while the other is a delusional narcissist who's embarassing himself out there and is currently the biggest laughing stock in the league.

[dhsilv]

He hasn't been a huge part. He's been the SOLE reason for the drama surrounding the Lakers. Why do you think Malone retired? He was QUOTED saying "I'm not going back. Not gonna be another part of the Kobe soap opera"

The guy is the single biggest cancer in the history of the sport. It's crazy how different him and Duncan are going out. Duncan is going out with class and in a respectable way while the other is a delusional narcissist who's embarassing himself out there and is currently the biggest laughing stock in the league.

I won't go this far. Kobe's a guy who learned a bit (I forget the language) to be able to better interact with some of his foreign teammates. He works as hard as anyone (so does duncan though rarely do people talk about it) on his body and his game. He unlike nearly all other super stars is actually an expert on the game and history of basketball. Like if Kobe put out a non BS top 10 all time list, I'd seriously listen to him. Unlike guys like Dr J, MJ, or Barkley who seriously aren't even close to the sports writers they get annoyed with on knowledge of the game. Also the lakers have done some dumb things and have had mixed results in the drafts over the years due largely to letting "basketball people" run things instead of taking a more analytical and quantitative/finance driven system run the team.

Shaq had his problems as much or more so than Kobe as well.

I'm not giving Kobe an excuse here for his issues. He's been a problem without a question and the lakers over the years have been even with their issues a top tier franchise even if it was due mostly to being in LA and their name, they still where a great franchise.

[Mr Feeny]

I won't go this far. Kobe's a guy who learned a bit (I forget the language) to be able to better interact with some of his foreign teammates. He works as hard as anyone (so does duncan though rarely do people talk about it) on his body and his game. He unlike nearly all other super stars is actually an expert on the game and history of basketball. Like if Kobe put out a non BS top 10 all time list, I'd seriously listen to him. Unlike guys like Dr J, MJ, or Barkley who seriously aren't even close to the sports writers they get annoyed with on knowledge of the game. Also the lakers have done some dumb things and have had mixed results in the drafts over the years due largely to letting "basketball people" run things instead of taking a more analytical and quantitative/finance driven system run the team.

Shaq had his problems as much or more so than Kobe as well.

I'm not giving Kobe an excuse here for his issues. He's been a problem without a question and the lakers over the years have been even with their issues a top tier franchise even if it was due mostly to being in LA and their name, they still where a great franchise.

About the top 10 bit, Kobe thinks that he's the best basketball player of all time. Do you still think you'd want to listen to his opinion on basketball?

[Dragonyeuw]

So yes Duncan has a more stable team over his career, but Duncan was a big part of that stability.

This bears repeating.

[feyki]

Kobe better at 2000,2001 and 2011 .

[ArbitraryWater]

The posted you quoted is over a year old.

https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif

:roll: :roll:

and he made a post in this thread already a year ago

http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah306/MaleRuler/GIFs/kYXeaZi_zpsggsisp4a.gif (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/MaleRuler/media/GIFs/kYXeaZi_zpsggsisp4a.gif.html)

[dhsilv]

Kobe better at 2000,2001 and 2011 .

So really 2000 because Duncan was hurt for the playoffs you're going with Kobe? I kinda get 2001, I mean it was close with only a small lead for Duncan so I can get the title turning people, but 2000? Duncan was noticeably better.

[feyki]

So really 2000 because Duncan was hurt for the playoffs you're going with Kobe? I kinda get 2001, I mean it was close with only a small lead for Duncan so I can get the title turning people, but 2000? Duncan was noticeably better.

Yes , Totally for injury .

[Cold soul]

Kobe better at 2000,2001 and 2011 .

You forgot 02, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, and 12.

[dhsilv]

About the top 10 bit, Kobe thinks that he's the best basketball player of all time. Do you still think you'd want to listen to his opinion on basketball?

Clearly you'd ask him other then himself. Though I doubt he'd rank himself over Jordan.

[HOoopCityJones]

You forgot 02, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, and 12.

:bowdown:

[ArbitraryWater]

You forgot 02, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, and 12.

Kobe fans mind, where Kobe was better than Duncan from 2000-2002..

[90sgoat]

Kobe is a great player, but he has never been a player who could lift an entire team. He is a great first option scorer though, which is very underrated.

Those championships team had great material though. Odom, Pau, Bynum, long, athletic, dominating.

[T_L_P]

You forgot 02, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, and 12.

There's no logical way you can say Kobe was better in both 02 and 07.

Kobe's argument in 02 is 'he won the ring'. Duncan put up 26/13/4/3 on .577 TS% with some of the league's best defense. Kobe noticeably regressed on defense and his production was less than Duncan's (25/5/6/.544 TS%). Duncan won the Regular Season MVP.

In the WCSF Duncan averaged more PPG (+2.8), RPG (+11.8), BPG (+3.0) and was more efficient (.517 TS% - .486 TS%). Kobe averaged 0.2 more APG and they had the exact same amount of Steals (5 for the series).

Duncan lead the Playoffs in PER and his other stats were great (he had a 10.4 Box +/- which is much higher than Kobe's had at any point in his career).

Again, Kobe's argument is 'he won the ring'.

If you're playing that game, Duncan gets 07, because 'he won the ring'.

I've still not seen a Kobe Stan make any sort of argument for Kobe in 02. Because there isn't one.

[kennethgriffin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbLH8Npfzxs

[mehyaM24]

they're both overrated, but at least you came to your senses.

duncan is clearly the better player - and when op created this topic, it was the SAME time i was posting kobe's anti-clutch log and lopsided comparisons vs duncan and shaq. the facts hit home. :lol

[feyki]

You forgot 02, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, and 12.

12 is debatable.

Duncan has 02,06 and 07 for me . I was talking about 06 and 07 Duncan vs Kobe a thousand times :D . I can't take anymore :oldlol: .

[Town's Town]

points dont matter. scoring is just one small facet of the game. anyone can score. can kobe play center? no... duncan doesnt need fisher to win. hes made more conference finals.


1998 - duncan
1999 - duncan
2000 - duncan ( woulda won the title if he wasnt injured )
2001 - duncan ( kobe had shaq )
2002 - duncan ( mvp means best player )
2003 - duncan ( finals mvp )
2004 - duncan ( robbed by fisher. that game cost the spurs another title )
2005 - duncan ( kobe couldnt even stay healthy... bum )
2006 - duncan ( better record )
2007 - duncan ( real finals mvp )
2008 - kobe
2009 - kobe
2010 - kobe
2011 - duncan ( kobe had no knees. he shoulda retired then and there )
2012 - duncan ( no explination needed )
2013 - duncan ( made nba finals. ray allen bs cost duncan another ring )
2014 - duncan ( kobe cant even keep his achilles together )



it doesnt matter if kobe won a bunch of meaningless player of the decade awards. duncan was named by Ian Thompson as the SI player of the decade. the only one that matters... 1 man who works for SI >>>>> the hundreds of writers who voted for sporting news or dime magazine... and the millions that voted for TNT



popovich was smoking crack in 2006 when he said kobe was the most talented player on both ends.

everyone knows duncans more efficient and is a defensive anchor

big men run the nba


need i say more?


ok... gasol = 2009/2010 finals mvp. kobe = carried by big men his whole life

shot jacking piece of sH9t

I'm waiting for the switch, but so far this is true.

[Fedor - Laker]

Kobe's a ****ing hack.

Bird would wipe the floor with that MJ shot chucking scrub.

[Knoe Itawl]

What psychos these Kobe Stan's are - griffin, stalker, jabbar, 20four, Anaheim and the list goes on and on. What is it about Bryant that attracts the biggest freak shows in sports?

[Cold soul]

What psychos these Kobe Stan's are - griffin, stalker, jabbar, 20four, Anaheim and the list goes on and on. What is it about Bryant that attracts the biggest freak shows in sports?

You sir, are an idiot. Honestly you have no room to talk your is just as bad if not more so than any of those names you mentioned above you are without a doubt scum of the earth.

[JT123]

You sir, are an idiot. Honestly you have no room to talk your is just as bad if not more so than any of those names you mentioned above you are without a doubt scum of the earth.
Another weirdo to add to the list Knoe Itawl.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe is a great player, but he has never been a player who could lift an entire team. He is a great first option scorer though, which is very underrated.

Those championships team had great material though. Odom, Pau, Bynum, long, athletic, dominating.

lol

[DMAVS41]

On durability/consistency alone Duncan now wins this;

Games played for their careers (including playoffs)

Duncan: 1,587

Kobe: 1,511

And then you remember that Kobe has been in the league a year longer and was a bench player his first two years.

Duncan has just outclassed him on all fronts at this point...better peak, better prime, far better longevity/durability, better teammate, better franchise first player, more versatile, better leader...

Shut it down...let's go home

[Spurs5Rings2014]

On durability/consistency alone Duncan now wins this;

Games played for their careers (including playoffs)

Duncan: 1,587

Kobe: 1,511

And then you remember that Kobe has been in the league a year longer and was a bench player his first two years.

Duncan has just outclassed him on all fronts at this point...better peak, better prime, far better longevity/durability, better teammate, better franchise first player, more versatile, better leader...

Shut it down...let's go home

Couldn't of said it better myself, DMAVS.

:cheers:

I'd also like to add more All-NBA + All-Defensive selections (15 + 15 aka the GOAT), more 50 win seasons (again, the GOAT), NEVER missed the play offs (in PRIME, LOL), better defender (more consistent AND more impactful), more clutch (2014 OT vs. OKC anyone? No chip without that), better intangibles, greater winner, more ability to carry a team on his shoulders (2003 'ship run is top 5, if not the GOAT), etc, etc, etc.

I could go on and on.

[Naero]

So the point of this thread was to subtly troll others who "bit the bait?" Should have chosen a more implausible argument for them to "bite" then, because not many factualists will disagree with Duncan's superiority over Kobe. :confusedshrug:

[stalkerforlife]

On durability/consistency alone Duncan now wins this;

Games played for their careers (including playoffs)

Duncan: 1,587

Kobe: 1,511

And then you remember that Kobe has been in the league a year longer and was a bench player his first two years.

Duncan has just outclassed him on all fronts at this point...better peak, better prime, far better longevity/durability, better teammate, better franchise first player, more versatile, better leader...

Shut it down...let's go home

You try to come off as a reasonable basketball enthusiast, but you're not doing a good job. We all know you hate Kobe and nothing you say about him is relevant. Just be who you are and stop living a lie.

As for your statement, Duncan's had the luxury of having such a great coach, supporting cast and franchise, that he's literally been able to focus a majority of his energy on defense and score here and there for about 7+ years now.

Get a grip, troll.

[DMAVS41]

You try to come off as a reasonable basketball enthusiast, but you're not doing a good job. We all know you hate Kobe and nothing you say about him is relevant. Just be who you are and stop living a lie.

As for your statement, Duncan's had the luxury of having such a great coach, supporting cast and franchise, that he's literally been able to focus a majority of his energy on defense and score here and there for about 7+ years now.

Get a grip, troll.

And what did Kobe have early on in his career when he had Shaq carrying the burden for his first 8 years? Kobe wasn't even a starter his first 2 years...and didn't play college either. Kobe didn't have luxuries?

Funny...I wonder if those luxuries for Kobe are used against him when you start ring counting vs other players.

Regardless of what you think about college...it puts wear and tear on your body...at least a little.

Has nothing to do with liking one player or another....just happens to be true.

Make a thread about Kobe vs KG...I'll be saying Kobe was better.

Make a thread about Dirk vs Bird...I'll say Bird was better.

I actually just say what I think...I know this is novel to the morons here that think you have to pick some agenda and always go with it.

Also, what you did is the epitome of ad hominem....a weak debating tactic even for the ones that struggle to think for themselves.

[TommyGriffin]

As a life-long, die-hard Charlotte Hornets fan, it pains me to think about one Kobe Bryant playing the length of career in a Hornets uniform. Alas it was not to be.

[JohnFreeman]

As a life-long, die-hard Charlotte Hornets fan, it pains me to think about one Kobe Bryant playing the length of career in a Hornets uniform. Alas it was not to be.
Meh, it's not like you had Shaq to carry the team

[rmt]

You try to come off as a reasonable basketball enthusiast, but you're not doing a good job. We all know you hate Kobe and nothing you say about him is relevant. Just be who you are and stop living a lie.

As for your statement, Duncan's had the luxury of having such a great coach, supporting cast and franchise, that he's literally been able to focus a majority of his energy on defense and score here and there for about 7+ years now.

Get a grip, troll.

Cry me a river. It's not like Kobe didn't have a ready-made GOAT coach (not have to wait for him to develop - came with 6 rings under his belt), MDE, a city that attracts free agents like no other (instead of being a sleepy town that no one wants to go to), and an owner who spends freely on salary way over the luxury tax (lol at $90 million - can you imagine if SAS had that kind of money to spend).

[SamuraiSWISH]

1998 - Duncan
1999 - Duncan
2000 - Duncan
2001 - Wash
2002 - Duncan
2003 - Wash
2004 - Duncan
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - Kobe
2011 - Kobe
2012 - Kobe
2013 - Kobe
2014 - Duncan
2015 - Duncan

Pretty much tied ...

[DMAVS41]

1998 - Duncan
1999 - Duncan
2000 - Duncan
2001 - Wash
2002 - Duncan
2003 - Wash
2004 - Duncan
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - Kobe
2011 - Kobe
2012 - Kobe
2013 - Kobe
2014 - Duncan
2015 - Duncan

Pretty much tied ...

I don't think this is a good way to compare players unless the question is specifically which player was better each year.

Having said that...how in the hell is 03 a wash?

[T_L_P]

1998 - Duncan
1999 - Duncan
2000 - Duncan
2001 - Wash
2002 - Duncan
2003 - Wash
2004 - Duncan
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - Kobe
2011 - Kobe
2012 - Kobe
2013 - Kobe
2014 - Duncan
2015 - Duncan

Pretty much tied ...

2003 is not a wash. Maybe it is in the reg (still Duncan gets the edge). In the Playoffs Duncan was much better.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I don't think this is a good way to compare players unless the question is specifically which player was better each year.

Having said that...how in the hell is 03 a wash?
Because Kobe was quite ridiculous in 2003.

If Shaq wasn't lazy AF, and so grotesquely out of shape ... unlike how he was when he went to Miami. And if the Lakers organization didn't get lazy and content feeling like rolling Shaq / Kobe out there every year alone was enough to win a ring, nor did they let the roster rot around those two. I see the Lakers beating the Spurs in the playoffs. Same way they did with some upgrades the very next season.

I call it a wash based off eye test. If you want to go by accomplishment ... then sure Duncan can have 2003.

But using that same criteria Kobe gets 2001, especially cause he took a dump on the Spurs in the playoffs.

And we are back at them being tied again.

[DMAVS41]

Because Kobe was quite ridiculous in 2003. If Shaq wasn't lazy AF, and so grotesquely out of shape ... unlike how he was when he went to Miami. And if the Lakers organization didn't get lazy and content feeling like rolling Shaq / Kobe out there every year alone was enough to win a ring, nor did they let the roster rot around those two. I see the Lakers beating the Spurs in the playoffs. Same way they did with some upgrades the very next season. I call it a wash based off eye test. If you want to go by accomplishment ... then sure Duncan can have 2003. But using that same criteria Kobe gets 2001, especially cause he took a dump on the Spurs in the playoffs. And we are back at them being tied again.

It's not accomplishments for me at all.

Kobe just shot more than he did in 02....played less team ball.

Duncan was at the peak of his powers in 03. He was a true monster on both sides of the ball.

Kobe was not as good of a player as Duncan was that year.

I don't care about the year by year stuff like I said...I'm just telling you that objectively there is simply no way to argue Kobe was as good as Duncan in 03.

[ralph_i_el]

Yo Kenny I screenshots all of these posts and sent them to Kobe on twitter.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Gino ... I said you could give 2003 to Duncan without much argument from me. That's why I called it a wash originally.

But I'm not going to sit here and act like Kobe wasn't near equally stunning that season.

I wanted to rank them out season by season who was better. It's a good barometer of comparison of who was better for their career.

We can give Kobe 2001. They're about equal all things considering. All we definitively know is LeBron has been better than both.

[DMAVS41]

Gino ... I said you could give 2003 to Duncan without much argument from me. That's why I called it a wash originally.

But I'm not going to sit here and act like Kobe wasn't near equally stunning that season.

I wanted to rank them out season by season who was better. It's a good barometer of comparison of who was better for their career.

We can give Kobe 2001. They're about equal all things considering. All we definitively know is LeBron has been better than both.

And I disagree with both those statements. I don't think it's a good barometer for who has been better for their career and I don't think 03 was a wash.

Certainly not if you are giving 13 to Kobe. How the hell is that not a wash if 03 was?

[SamuraiSWISH]

And I disagree with both those statements. I don't think it's a good barometer for who has been better for their career and I don't think 03 was a wash.

Certainly not if you are giving 13 to Kobe. How the hell is that not a wash if 03 was?
I heard you. And I said I wouldn't have issue with you saying Duncan was better in 2003. I agree.

So what are you trying to argue this time? Do you just like arguing ...

I think before the injury it's pretty easy to say Kobe was better than Duncan individually in 2013.

And I think it's a safe comparisons when you look at year by year who the better ball player was each season, add it up and you get a great comparison over the course of the sum of their career who was better between 2x players.

[DMAVS41]

I heard you. And I said I wouldn't have issue with you saying Duncan was better in 2003. I agree.

So what are you trying to argue this time? Do you just like arguing ...

I think before the injury it's pretty easy to say Kobe was better than Duncan individually in 2013.

And I think it's a safe comparisons when you look at year by year who the better ball player was each season, add it up and you get a great comparison over the course of the sum of their career who was better between 2x players.

What do you mean? I have spelled it out clearly.

1. I don't think going year by year is the best way at all. I think it can be fine to add into a discussion, but I don't think it should be the main focus or anything like that. Specifically because some years are closer than others and you'd have to account for that.

2. I disagreed with the 03 thing. And I disagree with 13. I don't think it's safe to say that at all. I think it's safe to say that both were playing great basketball that year. But I'd rather have Duncan....rather easily on a team trying to win a title in a vacuum in 13. Kobe had basically given up even pretending to try on defense and was hardly playing a style that got the most out of his teammates.

Which caused people to write and say things like this;

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/1/11/3864814/kobe-bryant-is-ruining-kobe-bryants-historic-season

3. Yes, I do like to argue, but that isn't relevant to me just not agreeing with what you've said.