Lexus (especially) & Infiniti > BMW & Mercedes (especially)

[Josh]

Yo, before UDon'tKnowtheHalfofRaff gets to wreckin' the industry (and I don't mean the rap industry; enigmatically enough we're talkin' about the automotive industry for a change. Also, please note we're only going to be mentioning four of the major players as listed in thread title, and it was nothing personal to the "other guys" such as Acura, Cadillac (who has elevated and superbly reinvented themselves the past decade and a half), Jaguar, Volvo, Audi, Lincoln etc) - it's not that they're not respectable vehicles or any other particular reason - just for the sake of debate and more importantly, my e-ga UDon'tKnowtheHalfofRaff -reppin' Lexus and rippin' a new one into German engineering, we kept the list short. Now without further ado, Raff give these Germans a Japanese petroleum blood bath.

Yo this Chris Paul stunt double from State Farm "like a good neighbor" is 'bout to get on my last nerve so I get off the curb and attempt to total my spare 1992 that has been my "fix-her-up" for almost a good decade now but to no avail. The neck and tie CP3 wins again. Back to my baby at one time, it first caught my eye 'cause the moon roof is standard (for my long neck to stick out and raff meat to poke high if and when I felt the need to cop a feel - shit came in handy to say the least).

So a'yo here we go... DJ let me borrow that If I Ruled the World instrumental for a sec...

If I Ruled the World (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2HaBACZed8) ... bitch in the background talkin;' that off the wall back to Africa shit again ... you dumb human bitch, I'm a ****in giraffe just be glad I'm smashin' you with this gigantic giraffe meat, you black girl lost ... smh

Black Girl Lost (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBDCUj0teg) ... "word, where the real giraffes at?!"

Yo it's a nightmae and it involves my car, wouldn't get a refund, had no collission only comprhensive and you know what that means - sll sizzle and no steak not to mention I'mma do my best to attract all my fans... and I don't just means the ones liing comfortably in Japn - I'm talkin' 'bout the ones who dodge ballistics straight off the ones from Iraq via Afgan US drones takin' over the globe slowly but surely it's straoight up inevitable hip hop knights of the round table willing plus able you Kane I'm Abel means my soul is pure

but yo I ain't no saint, if I can't I can't if I paint I'm splashing orange all over the Lex wth some yellow lightning bolts going down the sides; yeah that'd be sick - just needs a tune up, a little body work and it's closee to being damn near showroom ready. In come small circles a bonafide collectors item. The first luxurious sports car from the most successful luxury brand in the world; yeah it's something I have to keep in my possession in the event it becomes a legit collectors item, low miles single owner besides yours truly ....

[I][COLOR="Navy"]

[Draz]

I like the look of the infiniti q50

[CelticBaller]

Do you expect me to read all that shit?

[Meticode]

Most cars are shit now-a-days. Especially ones that use plastic for stupid shit. Like BMW uses plastic in their engine manifolds. Up the cost and performance of cars, but drop the longevity of it's parts and engine.

Not to mention all those cars mentioned are a shit-load to fix and repair.

[n00bie]

[QUOTE=Josh]Yo, before UDon'tKnowtheHalfofRaff gets to wreckin' the industry (and I don't mean the rap industry; enigmatically enough we're talkin' about the automotive industry for a change. Also, please note we're only going to be mentioning four of the major players as listed in thread title, and it was nothing personal to the "other guys" such as Acura, Cadillac (who has elevated and superbly reinvented themselves the past decade and a half), Jaguar, Volvo, Audi, Lincoln etc) - it's not that they're not respectable vehicles or any other particular reason - just for the sake of debate and more importantly, my e-ga UDon'tKnowtheHalfofRaff -reppin' Lexus and rippin' a new one into German engineering, we kept the list short. Now without further ado, Raff give these Germans a Japanese petroleum blood bath.

Yo this Chris Paul stunt double from State Farm "like a good neighbor" is 'bout to get on my last nerve so I get off the curb and attempt to total my spare 1992 that has been my "fix-her-up" for almost a good decade now but to no avail. The neck and tie CP3 wins again. Back to my baby at one time, it first caught my eye 'cause the moon roof is standard (for my long neck to stick out and raff meat to poke high if and when I felt the need to cop a feel - shit came in handy to say the least).

So a'yo here we go... DJ let me borrow that If I Ruled the World instrumental for a sec...

If I Ruled the World (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2HaBACZed8) ... bitch in the background talkin;' that off the wall back to Africa shit again ... you dumb human bitch, I'm a ****in giraffe just be glad I'm smashin' you with this gigantic giraffe meat, you black girl lost ... smh

Black Girl Lost (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBDCUj0teg) ... "word, where the real giraffes at?!"

Yo it's a nightmae and it involves my car, wouldn't get a refund, had no collission only comprhensive and you know what that means - sll sizzle and no steak not to mention I'mma do my best to attract all my fans... and I don't just means the ones liing comfortably in Japn - I'm talkin' 'bout the ones who dodge ballistics straight off the ones from Iraq via Afgan US drones takin' over the globe slowly but surely it's straoight up inevitable hip hop knights of the round table willing plus able you Kane I'm Abel means my soul is pure

but yo I ain't no saint, if I can't I can't if I paint I'm splashing orange all over the Lex wth some yellow lightning bolts going down the sides; yeah that'd be sick - just needs a tune up, a little body work and it's closee to being damn near showroom ready. In come small circles a bonafide collectors item. The first luxurious sports car from the most successful luxury brand in the world; yeah it's something I have to keep in my possession in the event it becomes a legit collectors item, low miles single owner besides yours truly ....

[I][COLOR="Navy"]

[plowking]

Most cars are shit now-a-days. Especially ones that use plastic for stupid shit. Like BMW uses plastic in their engine manifolds. Up the cost and performance of cars, but drop the longevity of it's parts and engine.

Not to mention all those cars mentioned are a shit-load to fix and repair.

I thought OP's post was bad, but this is just as bad.

[DCL]

in terms of reliability, it's lexus, mercedes, then bmw.

in terms of prestige, it's mercedes, bmw, lexus, then infiniti. if you disagree, you're a pretender and don't know shit.

lexus wins in overall value and can last for years, but it's still just a luxury-fied toyota.

the benz and beamer might break down earlier, but if you got money, you don't care. you just get a new model and sell your old car to a lexus owner.

[oarabbus]

in terms of reliability, it's lexus, mercedes, then bmw.

in terms of prestige, it's mercedes, bmw, lexus, then infiniti. if you disagree, you're a pretender and don't know shit.

lexus wins in overall value and can last for years, but it's still just a luxury-fied toyota.

the benz and beamer might break down earlier, but if you got money, you don't care. you just get a new model and sell your old car to a lexus owner.

:applause:

Lock the thread. Nothing needs to be said here anymore.

[9erempiree]

First off it's Bimmer not Beamer, and it doesn't "break down" like most people say they do. I have owned 4 Bimmers and all never left me stranded. The engines are great and they are easy to fix. I've done all the work myself.

Most people think cars just break on them but they don't. If you take care of it, it will be fine.

Heck, I took the M3 to track days and it was my daily driver.

[oarabbus]

First off Bimmers don't "break down" like most people say they do. I have owned 4 Bimmers and all never left me stranded. The engines are great and they are easy to fix. I've done all the work myself.

Most people think cars just break on them but they don't. If you take care of it, it will be fine.

Heck, I took the M3 to track days and it was my daily driver.

I dunno man, maybe you were lucky. Under 100k miles they run like a fcukin charm and are nice as hell, but once my 528 hit ~150k miles it just fell the fcuk apart, shit was breaking left and right. Alternator, vacuum seal, alternator again, coolant system, damn it was miserable. Let's not get started on some of the cabin components/windows/etc. Then again 150k miles is pretty high for a luxury car like that.

edit: the engine itself was just amazing, never had one problem with that. Everything else though...

[9erempiree]

This is going to be my next ride....the e28.

http://i.imgur.com/60W8b.jpg

[9erempiree]

I dunno man, maybe you were lucky. Under 100k miles they run like a fcukin charm and are nice as hell, but once my 528 hit ~150k miles it just fell the fcuk apart, shit was breaking left and right. Alternator, vacuum seal, alternator again, coolant system, damn it was miserable. Then again 150k miles is pretty high for a luxury car like that.

I had a e34 525 with over 200k and still street racing with people. Again, those are easy fixes for a high mileage car.

My only gripe with Bimmers are the seats. They age quick.

[oarabbus]

I had a e34 525 with over 200k and still street racing with people. Again, those are easy fixes for a high mileage car.

My only gripe with Bimmers are the seats. They age quick.


Oh yeah, the seats definitely wore out. I probably could have taken the thing in for maintenance more often too.

Man was that thing fun to drive, even though it was just a 528, I miss the **** out of it. Driving a Camry now and it gets me from point A to B but that BMW wheel/grip/traction/responsiveness... :pimp:

Gonna have to wait a few years and hopefully I can get myself back in one. I think Mercedes can look nicer but I'd rather be behind the wheel of a BMW.

[dunksby]

LOJ is having another relapse, how boring and preditable is this guy? :facepalm

[fiddy]

Audi>>>>>>

[Draz]

Audi probably has the best interior

[b1imtf]

Lol dnr.

[~primetime~]

I own a Mercedes AND a Lexus. My parents also owned Lexus cars past 20 years or so.

Lexus makes nice card no question but they are NOT on Mercedes level. Not even close really. They are just high end Toyotas.

Go test drive a new Lexus and then go test drive a new S-Class and you'll be like "oh, it's on another level."


Infiniti is easily the worst of those mentioned IMO, made by Mazda right? They aren't that great

[EnoughSaid]

Had the opportunity to drive around a Tesla Model S the other day. Car is amazing. So light, so quiet, so simple, smooth. My top choice if I were to get a high end car.

http://jacobfoxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/tesla-model-s.jpg

http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/alternative/1206_2012_tesla_model_s_first_drive/38094059/2012-Tesla-Model-S-interior.jpg

My friends dad has a 2013 Audi S7. Nothing better in terms of luxury and interiors. Stunning car. Drives smooth as well.

Other friend has an ISF, which is amazing as well, but for me, I'm a tall guy (6'3") it's too small.

At the end of the day it comes to a personal preference. All of these cars are amazing and too of the notch.

[Cowboy Thunder]

in terms of reliability, it's lexus, mercedes, then bmw.

in terms of prestige, it's mercedes, bmw, lexus, then infiniti. if you disagree, you're a pretender and don't know shit.

lexus wins in overall value and can last for years, but it's still just a luxury-fied toyota.

the benz and beamer might break down earlier, but if you got money, you don't care. you just get a new model and sell your old car to a lexus owner.

that wraps it up

[~primetime~]

Yep I agree with DCLs post as well

[Draz]

What about jaguars? Their pretty luxurious but I heard they break easily.

Honestly. Cars are just show of class. You can't run away from owning an expensive car you cannot afford. It will take its toll.

[Stempel, HERB]

Most cars are shit now-a-days. Especially ones that use plastic for stupid shit. Like BMW uses plastic in their engine manifolds. Up the cost and performance of cars, but drop the longevity of it's parts and engine.

Not to mention all those cars mentioned are a shit-load to fix and repair.

You can't afford anything listed in the topic unless it's 10+ years old. Nobody gives a shit what you have to say.

[fiddy]

in terms of reliability, it's lexus, mercedes, then bmw.

in terms of prestige, it's mercedes, bmw, lexus, then infiniti. if you disagree, you're a pretender and don't know shit.

lexus wins in overall value and can last for years, but it's still just a luxury-fied toyota.

the benz and beamer might break down earlier, but if you got money, you don't care. you just get a new model and sell your old car to a lexus owner.
You didnt mention Audi even once,you need to put an end to your existance asap

[Doctor Rivers]

in terms of reliability, it's lexus, mercedes, then bmw.

in terms of prestige, it's mercedes, bmw, lexus, then infiniti. if you disagree, you're a pretender and don't know shit.

lexus wins in overall value and can last for years, but it's still just a luxury-fied toyota.

the benz and beamer might break down earlier, but if you got money, you don't care. you just get a new model and sell your old car to a lexus owner.

in terms of sucking, you're #1

[Doctor Rivers]

My friends dad has a 2013 Audi S7. Nothing better in terms of luxury and interiors. Stunning car. Drives smooth as well.

RS7 is better

[highwhey]

in terms of reliability, it's lexus, mercedes, then bmw.

in terms of prestige, it's mercedes, bmw, lexus, then infiniti. if you disagree, you're a pretender and don't know shit.

lexus wins in overall value and can last for years, but it's still just a luxury-fied toyota.

the benz and beamer might break down earlier, but if you got money, you don't care. you just get a new model and sell your old car to a lexus owner.
Had this convo with my buddy, he told me most bmw and benz owners are dbags. Lexus is a more classy mfr. I sort of agree though, he has an IS-f in blue, awesome car. His wife owns a lexus as well, car is just as luxurious as any bmw I've been in.

And a lot of middle class people are not as careless with their money as you might believe. This guy is pretty well of, he buys his cars in cash but when I asked why he didn't go for a bmw instead he told me he didn't want to deal with the issues those cars have later down the road.

[rezznor]

What about jaguars? Their pretty luxurious but I heard they break easily.

Honestly. Cars are just show of class. You can't run away from owning an expensive car you cannot afford. It will take its toll.
the old ones from ford used to break down but all the new ones are amazing. i just test drove an xk last week and was thinking of buying one, but found out it's about to get a major upgrade this year so i'm going to wait.

[gts]

This is going to be my next ride....the e28.

http://i.imgur.com/60W8b.jpg

Going for the 535is or M?

[~primetime~]

My next joint is probably going to be a Mercedes SUV...probably GLK because they aren't that pricey

Have a family and suddenly safety and space take priority.

[9erempiree]

Going for the 535is or M?

I would be lucky to get a good 535is. M5 prices hit a plateau but still high.

I am buying cheap, fix a few issues and build it myself.

[9erempiree]

Had this convo with my buddy, he told me most bmw and benz owners are dbags. Lexus is a more classy mfr. I sort of agree though, he has an IS-f in blue, awesome car. His wife owns a lexus as well, car is just as luxurious as any bmw I've been in.

And a lot of middle class people are not as careless with their money as you might believe. This guy is pretty well of, he buys his cars in cash but when I asked why he didn't go for a bmw instead he told me he didn't want to deal with the issues those cars have later down the road.

:oldlol:

So this guy is calling people dbags because of the car they are driving?

Your buddy is pretty much careless about his money. Who pays off a car in cash? Only if the car is cheap. You might as well burn the money.

So he dropped 65k on a car that depreciates right off the lot? Sounds very stupid to me. The best thing to do is put a quarter of it on down payment and invest the rest in a CD or any investing instrument yielding a higher interest than what he would pay for the car loan.

The good thing about this Bimmer driver, myself, I buy Bimmers that appreciate instead of depreciating. I can buy a M5 for 15k. Drive it around and enjoy the experience and sell it, for a profit. :cheers:

[Doctor Rivers]

Audi/vw > BMW > mercedes > lexus > infiniti

this

[PHX_Phan]

Infiniti is shit, and it's Nissan not Mazda.

I wouldn't buy a BMW or Merc so out of the brands listed, Lexus it is.

[gts]

I would be lucky to get a good 535is. M5 prices hit a plateau but still high.

I am buying cheap, fix a few issues and build it myself.

There's a few cheapies on Craigslist LA... a red one that looks interesting and a white one... both need gobs of work but they look like all the parts are right

For myself I'd go with the last year of 535is over the M... Just something about the car, obviously lacks the HP of the M but the car with fresh suspension and proper brakes is a scalpel... plus it's the last true sports edition of a non M car until the ZHP line of the E46s

(also I'm a bit weary of those early M engines, as if they weren't already the parts have become pricey to the point of you're left with the feeling of being ripped off)

[Meticode]

I thought OP's post was bad, but this is just as bad.
Bad as in how? What I state is true. BMW makes engine manifolds out of plastic, they have to majorly increase the thickness of plastic for it to stand up to the heat of the engine, overtime it becomes brittle from heating and cooling and cracks and just doesn't last as long as metal parts. So not only do you have to worry about your regular gasket cracking or the seals breaking, but now the whole manifold because they want to make cheaper parts that are important to the car longevity. The amount of plastic used under the hood in today's cars is ridiculous.

I recently had to fix my heater core and housing in my Audi A6. And guess what? The whole thing is made of plastic. The core is thankfully metal, but the housing around it completely plastic that allows airflow, and much of that plastic was completely cracked and brittle as hell.

They dump all this technology in the car and take short-cuts elsewhere to make it affordable to purchase, but in the end you end up paying more money for the car because the parts are more expensive.

A lot of those cars don't have aftermarket parts, so you have to fork out an insane amount of money for a simple part if you can't locate anything at a junk yard. And if there is aftermarket parts they're still expensive becuase there's no a high demand for parts like thta compared to your regular Honda, Toyota's or some usually GM models.

[Meticode]

You can't afford anything listed in the topic unless it's 10+ years old. Nobody gives a shit what you have to say.
Have fun buying an overpriced PoS. Made from plastic. :roll:

[highwhey]

:oldlol:

So this guy is calling people dbags because of the car they are driving?

Your buddy is pretty much careless about his money. Who pays off a car in cash? Only if the car is cheap. You might as well burn the money.

So he dropped 65k on a car that depreciates right off the lot? Sounds very stupid to me. The best thing to do is put a quarter of it on down payment and invest the rest in a CD or any investing instrument yielding a higher interest than what he would pay for the car loan.

The good thing about this Bimmer driver, myself, I buy Bimmers that appreciate instead of depreciating. I can buy a M5 for 15k. Drive it around and enjoy the experience and sell it, for a profit. :cheers:
He's right tho, you proved him correct. I can imagine you getting into a bmw with a pink polo shirt on...of course with popped collars.

[gts]

Bad as in how? What I state is true. BMW makes engine manifolds out of plastic, they have to majorly increase the thickness of plastic for it to stand up to the heat of the engine, overtime it becomes brittle from heating and cooling and cracks and just doesn't last as long as metal parts. So not only do you have to worry about your regular gasket cracking or the seals breaking, but now the whole manifold because they want to make cheaper parts that are important to the car longevity. The amount of plastic used under the hood in today's cars is ridiculous.

I recently had to fix my heater core and housing in my Audi A6. And guess what? The whole thing is made of plastic. The core is thankfully metal, but the housing around it completely plastic that allows airflow, and much of that plastic was completely cracked and brittle as hell.

They dump all this technology in the car and take short-cuts elsewhere to make it affordable to purchase, but in the end you end up paying more money for the car because the parts are more expensive.

A lot of those cars don't have aftermarket parts, so you have to fork out an insane amount of money for a simple part if you can't locate anything at a junk yard. And if there is aftermarket parts they're still expensive becuase there's no a high demand for parts like thta compared to your regular Honda, Toyota's or some usually GM models.


Actually there's a lot of engineering reasons that go into things like using plastic header tanks on an aluminum radiator or a plastic intake manifold vs the older pot aluminum ones...

Weight is a huge factor, even with all that plastic and extensive use of aluminum today's cars are weighing in at some hefty numbers due to the amount of metal and other safety systems that goes into passing crash tests and the whatnot safety regulations, then there's the publics cry for cars that are comfortable and don't rattle like tin can when they hit 100k miles..

Todays engines go through some fairly crazy thermal expansion between cold and hot, an aluminum manifold would crack or worse yet prove to be too rigid and the block itself would distort.. Porsche went to plastic intake manifolds for this very reason in 1973 on it's 911..

Cost is a factor but in some cases it's a big factor.. you complain about your plastic headers on the radiator, you know how much that rad would cost you if it had aluminum headers that would require being welded instead of the process that allows them to mold the plastic directly on to the aluminum core?

Plastic in the modern car is here to stay, everyone uses it and will use it more and more as new technologies develop... It's not a bad thing it's just a different thing with a lot of upside that you're dismissing fairly easily. Today's cars are so much better than cars even 20 years ago, they last longer they require less maintenance the fit and finish on even a cheap car is tenfold better than the cars of the 80s and earlier

[Smook A.]

Mercedes >>>

[b1imtf]

Mercedes >>>
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[9erempiree]

Actually there's a lot of engineering reasons that go into things like using plastic header tanks on an aluminum radiator or a plastic intake manifold vs the older pot aluminum ones...

Weight is a huge factor, even with all that plastic and extensive use of aluminum today's cars are weighing in at some hefty numbers due to the amount of metal and other safety systems that goes into passing crash tests and the whatnot safety regulations, then there's the publics cry for cars that are comfortable and don't rattle like tin can when they hit 100k miles..

Todays engines go through some fairly crazy thermal expansion between cold and hot, an aluminum manifold would crack or worse yet prove to be too rigid and the block itself would distort.. Porsche went to plastic intake manifolds for this very reason in 1973 on it's 911..

Cost is a factor but in some cases it's a big factor.. you complain about your plastic headers on the radiator, you know how much that rad would cost you if it had aluminum headers that would require being welded instead of the process that allows them to mold the plastic directly on to the aluminum core?

Plastic in the modern car is here to stay, everyone uses it and will use it more and more as new technologies develop... It's not a bad thing it's just a different thing with a lot of upside that you're dismissing fairly easily. Today's cars are so much better than cars even 20 years ago, they last longer they require less maintenance the fit and finish on even a cheap car is tenfold better than the cars of the 80s and earlier

Make too much sense. You should be banned.

I agree with everything and all this talk about alpha males, one requirement is that you need to know how to fix cars. #1 requirement.

[oarabbus]

Audi/vw > BMW > mercedes > lexus > infiniti

:rolleyes:

The RS7 is a damn fine piece of work but if you compare an A4 to a 3 series or an A6 to a 5 series... the Beamer kills it. Not even close, the braking, handling, and grip is just much better on the BMW. I'd wager it's the same for Benz too, but I can't personally vouch for that.

Volkswagens are kinda female cars.

[Meticode]

Actually there's a lot of engineering reasons that go into things like using plastic header tanks on an aluminum radiator or a plastic intake manifold vs the older pot aluminum ones...

Weight is a huge factor, even with all that plastic and extensive use of aluminum today's cars are weighing in at some hefty numbers due to the amount of metal and other safety systems that goes into passing crash tests and the whatnot safety regulations, then there's the publics cry for cars that are comfortable and don't rattle like tin can when they hit 100k miles..

Todays engines go through some fairly crazy thermal expansion between cold and hot, an aluminum manifold would crack or worse yet prove to be too rigid and the block itself would distort.. Porsche went to plastic intake manifolds for this very reason in 1973 on it's 911..

Cost is a factor but in some cases it's a big factor.. you complain about your plastic headers on the radiator, you know how much that rad would cost you if it had aluminum headers that would require being welded instead of the process that allows them to mold the plastic directly on to the aluminum core?

Plastic in the modern car is here to stay, everyone uses it and will use it more and more as new technologies develop... It's not a bad thing it's just a different thing with a lot of upside that you're dismissing fairly easily. Today's cars are so much better than cars even 20 years ago, they last longer they require less maintenance the fit and finish on even a cheap car is tenfold better than the cars of the 80s and earlier
I wasn't complaining about the radiator at all, I stated it was the about the heat core housing. That's near the cabin, the opposite side of the engine between the engine and windshield.

I'm not saying plastic is a bad thing overall, I'm just saying it's a bad thing for certain parts. They have their pros and cons I suppose. For example with plastic it doesn't hold as much heat as aluminum. Easier to work on versus getting burned by metal pipes. Just doesn't last nearly as long.

Another thing i hate is a lot of cars have done away with dipsticks. You check your oil through the reading on the dash now. I suppose it's for people who don't check their oil at all and our lazy, but personally I'd like to have a damn dipstick in case something goes wrong with the monitoring system.

[~primetime~]

The high end Benz cars blow all others listed in here out of the water. They are much better compared to Bentley and Rolls than they are BMW and Audi

http://www.autoweek.com/storyimage/CW/20140115/CARNEWS/140119904/AR/0/2015-mercedes-benz-s600-maybach-62-extra-long-wheelbase-pullman-armored-guard-w222.jpg

http://media.emercedesbenz.com.s3.amazonaws.com/magazine/wp-content/uploads/13C255_13_medium.jpg

^^^ S-class Pullman is the successor to Maybach

There is nothing the others make that trumps it

High end sports cars by Benz are comparable to exotics like Ferrari

http://www.tuning-wheels-exhaust.com/bilder/gallery/Mc_Laren_SLR_wheels_20_inch.jpg

Mercedes McLaren

http://www.rssportscars.com/photos/cars/2014-mercedes-benz-sls-amg-black-series/sls-blackseries-06-gullwing-m.jpg

Gullwing


You can maybe say that low end base models of BMW and Audi are better than Benz (although I disagree) but I'd we are comparing the best of the best? GTFO

[~primetime~]

That's a concept car from what I can tell.

Mercedes McLaren is a half million dollar car

[fiddy]

:rolleyes:

The RS7 is a damn fine piece of work but if you compare an A4 to a 3 series or an A6 to a 5 series... the Beamer kills it. Not even close, the braking, handling, and grip is just much better on the BMW. I'd wager it's the same for Benz too, but I can't personally vouch for that.

Volkswagens are kinda female cars.
No they are not, they are just not as luxurious as the audis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT0r6xQJU_4

Audi>BMW right now

[dajadeed]

I recently got to drive an S class. Not the redesigned new ones, but a 2010 s550. That car is just ridiculously comfortable.

As far as driving, though? I also got to drive an s8.

:bowdown: :bowdown: Is all I have to say about that.


^^ Both of those were when I went to Dubai and a rich Emarati friend of ours let us take some of his cars for weekends and what not.

[dajadeed]

I drive a Honda.

:rockon:

[PistonsFan#21]

whats with all the hate on Infinitis? i was actually planning on buying a G37 at the end of this year. are they really that bad? obviously theyre not as luxurious as the mercedes or bmw but thats why they are also way cheaper

[PistonsFan#21]

edit: double post

[pauk]

Fukkemall, for that money gimme any Porsche.

[Rasheed1]

I love Infiniti's …

f*ck Audis and that other sh*t


That one benz looked so hot, I can't lie… I would get it if I could

http://www.rssportscars.com/photos/cars/2014-mercedes-benz-sls-amg-black-series/sls-blackseries-06-gullwing-m.jpg

That sh*t is hot :applause:

[Axe]

https://carbuzz.com/news/bmw-and-mercedes-have-a-new-reason-to-fear-lexus

[pauk]

In terms of ONLY reliability...... yes.... Lexus... yes... not Infinity....

But in terms of everything else... especially the FUN factor.... nah.... BMW/Merc-Benz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.... unless you can afford something more FUN (Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo etc)...


Audi>>>>>>

lol, i desperately wanted an Audi when i bought my first REAL (expensive, new, well maybe some years used) car.... what i really wanted first was a BMW or a Mercedes at first, Mercedes was/still is way to expensive for a similar or identical car BMW (or Audi) does, Mercedes focuses a bit more on the luxury side so ofcourse they gona be more expensive.... BMW smacks RWD, 6 MT and a hefty fun engine on all their damn cars, so that was the biggest bonus....

But then i thought, wait wtf everybody is driving BMW... i want to be more unique and go with Audi!! So Audi it is!

Then, for an entire year i have been testing Audi's (this was 2018)... i tried the best & newest of Audi i could find & buy affordably (at my price range) 2010+ year models like A4, A6, RS4/RS6... loved it, especially the RS4 ofcourse lol....

BUT... then i tried BMW at the same price range (including car year/mileage/specs) as those... 330i, 540i, M3, M5..... at the end of the day especially after M3/M5... i was facepalming for a good 1 hour.... at just the thought of picking any of those Audis over BMW....... not only where they faster (sure felt like it), but MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH more fun..... Rear Wheel Drive.... Manual Transmission.... the sporty/agressive Exterior... and a bit more luxury/sporty interior... it felt just much more fun, more engaging to drive... overall a better experience...

Audi are still great, but not better or even at the level it seems as BMW/Merc-Benz i think, i mean when push comes to shove... to shove your hard earned money, all of it, most of it on a car, between those 3..... unless your priority is Quattro/4WD (off-road, winter, rally racing or some shit, in a Family Touring) you would be stupid to pick an Audi over a BMW or Merc-Benz.... you get so much more FUN & Engaging sports/luxury in every way at the same price on a BMW.... Merc-Benz are obviously better aswell, but damn expensive....

The ONLY AUDI i would wholeheartedly get and never REGRET for picking over BMW (of similar car type fashion or price range) is an AUDI R8........ but the reality is, thats not affordable.... and not for everyday use.... and Audi are not making similar affordable cars.... the rest of all their cars are GRANDPA TOURING VW PASSAT looking vehicles....... no thanks...

After testing/trying everything & trying to be more unique with the brand...... you will eventually understand why so many are driving BMW (in Europe at least, not sure about US)... even if you ignore it and go with a different brand, i guarantee you will have some hints of regret creeping in on that you should have maybe gone with a BMW instead afterall, you will try bury those feelings deep down inside and ignore them, but you will have them....

[pauk]

A simple drive on a Fast random Audi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix50dcOiJgg (505 hp.. and feeling, sounding, engaging like a 105 hp VW Passat)

A simple drive on a Fast random BMW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUH_8v6D6cM (420 hp... and feeling, sounding, engaging like a Ferrari 360 CS or an epic 60s Muscle Car)

You know what i mean? Audi's great & fast... but not as fun, like they are aimed a bit more towards grandpas or something... unless its an Audi R8... :P

Merc-Benz is a bit more boring compared to BMW aswell.

[pauk]

..and what i love most about BMW is that they dont give a **** like even if you have a damn BMW 316 or something, they will put RWD on that shit, MT & make it as sporty as possible, make it 6 cylinders instead of 4 so it sounds better.... its sports or nothing... they make affordable true sports cars for ANY BUDGET....

Ofcourse, they have options for more comfort, family cars with less driver engagement (more silent engines/exhausts, auto transmissions, all-wheel drive etc) but they AINT letting go of TRUE SPORTS on any of their cars....

If you are a true SPORTS CAR enthusiast (RWD, Manual Transmission, N/A kickass engines, none of that turbo/compressor charged cheating bullshit) then BMW is for you.

You think you dont need this... fun factor... but you will, you will.... once it gets boring in your comfort *insert any damn brand* sedan/SUV/touring/whatever....

But nah man go ahead and get yourself your Lexus.... sell your soul and have fun with its marginally higher... dependability.... how cute....

[paksat]

bmw literally engineers their cars to break down when the warranty runs out

a guy I'm familiar with heard this out of their own CEO's mouth, it's how they make their money. Not through selling the cars, but through the back end of the dealerships doing repairs.

Bmw, good cars...



















































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[Meticode]

Nice nostalgia bump.

[Doomsday Dallas]

bmw literally engineers their cars to break down when the warranty runs out

a guy I'm familiar with heard this out of their own CEO's mouth, it's how they make their money. Not through selling the cars, but through the back end of the dealerships doing repairs.

Bmw, good cars...

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+1 ..... BMW is $hit.

[Meticode]

Fun fact. BMW supplies many parts for Rolls Royce. Especially the Phantom. And while that car is the definition of luxury, they break down like shit too.

[Axe]

bmw literally engineers their cars to break down when the warranty runs out

a guy I'm familiar with heard this out of their own CEO's mouth, it's how they make their money. Not through selling the cars, but through the back end of the dealerships doing repairs.

Bmw, good cars...



















































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I'm worried about the newest rolls royce models if that's true. I mean they're just super premium bimmers with very fancy designs inside and out. The phantom viii in particular is renowned for its top-notch refinement. I'm not sure if there's any similar offerings from other brands that may match its level although toyota has also built its very own version of the phantom, the toyota century, albeit at some levels lower i suppose. I think it's also exclusive in japan tho.

[Axe]

Fun fact. BMW supplies many parts for Rolls Royce. Especially the Phantom. And while that car is the definition of luxury, they break down like shit too.
Japan also has its very own version of the rr phantom in the toyota century. When i saw an actual one for a while i thought it was a different version of the modern phantom but it was smaller and had a different badging. Still they had very similar cues in their striking designs but obviously, the toyota is built like a tank.

[Draz]

Think I might pick up an m3

[CelticBaller]

still buying a m240

[Long Duck Dong]

Used BMWs are great because they are so cheap. Their resale value is garbage. 3 of the 4 cars with the worst resale value are beemers. 4 in the top 7. Seems like every person I know with a BMW has major headaches with electronic problems too.

If you don't care about money though, and looks and fun overides everything else they are still great new. Always get what makes you happy

[paksat]

Used BMWs are great because they are so cheap. Their resale value is garbage. 3 of the 4 cars with the worst resale value are beemers. 4 in the top 7. Seems like every person I know with a BMW has major headaches with electronic problems too.

If you don't care about money though, and looks and fun overides everything else they are still great new. Always get what makes you happy

there's a reason it's so cheap, it's because they're pieces of shit

I believe the 5 series from 05 to like 2010 WASN'T EVEN MADE IN GERMANY. The thing came off an assembly line in CHINA according to a famous mechanic on youtube. In that same video he told everyone to stay the fck away from bmw, the only ones he recommended were 90's and 80's models.

[Rolando]

I always buy used Mercedes. They are built well and run well. Sure, they probably don't have the level of reliability of a Lexus. But a Lexus has no soul and no styling.

[bluechox2]

Infiniti is on its last leg, Nissan might ax it... don’t get how a thread about it is made