Question to all Wilt Chamberlain is GOAT supporters

[secund2nun]

Most of you believe the following:

*competition was tougher back in Wilt's era
*Wilt's numbers are legit and a testament to why he is the GOAT. Commonly Wilt supporters will argue for Wilt over others like Shaq because Wilt averaged more PPG, RPG, etc.

Wilt ended up averaging 30/23/4.4 for his career and peaked out at 50/27/2.5. In his rookie year he averaged 38/27/2.5. At the age of 31 he averaged 24/24/9.

Since he apparently played against better competition back then and his numbers are 100% legit and proof that he is better than other players like Shaq, how much would he had averaged if he played in the modern NBA? I assume his numbers would be even better against the modern NBA which is weaker than the NBA he played in.

would his modern NBA averages go something like this:

rookie year: 45/35/5
peak statistical year: 60/35/6
age 31: 32/32/11
career average: 38/31/8/8 (including blocks)

[Asukal]

People who only go by the stats don't really understand the game. Hell most of the Wilt stans here didn't watch him play. Anyone who thinks Wilt can average 50 ppg in the modern era is an idiot. :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

People who only go by the stats don't really understand the game. Hell most of the Wilt stans here didn't watch him play. Anyone who thinks Wilt can average 50 ppg in the modern era is an idiot. :oldlol:


No one thought he could it in HIS era, either. You do realize that the scoring record before Chamberlain joined the NBA was 29.2 ppg, and the FG% record was .490?

BTW, the NBA averaged 108 ppg the year before Wilt arrived. In his rookie season it jumped to over 115 ppg. How come?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

he is GOAT.
but that doesnt mean his stats would be even better.
he played in the arguably strongest era of Centers, so he had great competition at his own position and through his career there where also some nice guards and forwards in the league.
most people arent saying he played in the hardest era just in a legit era where his stats weren

[Asukal]

No one thought he could it in HIS era, either. You do realize that the scoring record before Chamberlain joined the NBA was 29.2 ppg, and the FG% record was .490?

BTW, the NBA averaged 108 ppg the year before Wilt arrived. In his rookie season it jumped to over 115 ppg. How come?

The league was like what 10 year old by then? Racism ruled that era, black athletes just started being allowed into the league. Wilt played 48 minutes per game in that era, shows how bad the coaching was. If Wilt played today, he wouldn't be allowed to play that many minutes. :oldlol:

[Nuff Said]

Really? That long ass post just to ask the same ol "what would wilt average today?"

[sd3035]

Wilt would average 12 points, 8 reb per game in today's league

[LAZERUSS]

The league was like what 10 year old by then? Racism ruled that era, black athletes just started being allowed into the league. Wilt played 48 minutes per game in that era, shows how bad the coaching was. If Wilt played today, he wouldn't be allowed to play that many minutes. :oldlol:

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

The league was 15 years old, but the game of basketball had been played for over 60 years. And aside from the shot-clock, and a few small changes, it was being played virtually the same way as it was when it was invented.

"Blacks just started being allowed in the league?" They had been playing in the NBA since the early 50's. It wasn't so much that they "weren't allowed to play", as it was, there weren't many that were playing. You have to remember that the NBA drafted COLLEGE players. If there was a dearth of black players in the NBA, it was because there was dearth of them in COLLEGE. And BTW, by the mid-60's, the league was about 50/50, and by the end of the decade it was at about the same level as it is today. In Wilt's last season, there was something like 28 white players, and most of those were on the bench.

The BEST players in the league, though, were black. Wilt wasn't dominatingn short white accountants, he was slaughtering 6-10+ HOFers, many of whom would be listed at seven-feet today.

As for mpg, take a look at this post-season. Several players playing 42+ mpg, with Durant currently at 44.5 mpg. If those guys can, and do do it, most assuredly, Chamberlain would be doing it, too. In his LAST post-season, covering 17 games, he averaged 47.1 mpg, which was STILL lower than his career average. Furthermore, had Wilt "only" played 40-42 mpg, instead of 46-48, his EFFICIENCIES, including TRB% and FG% would most certainly have gone up. Think about that. 6-8 less mpg, times 80 games. He would have been considerably more refreshed in his second game, and can you imagine how much more energetic he would have been in game #80?

Anyway, keep trying...you'll get there someday.

[ArbitraryWater]

Jordan >>>> Wilt
Kareem >>> Wilt

No shame in being Nr.4 all time

[Kblaze8855]

Wilt has been dead 15 years and retired for 40. There have been 12 topics on him in 2 days.

Try to use the ones already existing if you dont have an original thought....

Im not going to stop you(at the moment). Just as polite a request as I can muster at the moment.

[sd3035]

The league was like what 10 year old by then? Racism ruled that era, black athletes just started being allowed into the league. Wilt played 48 minutes per game in that era, shows how bad the coaching was. If Wilt played today, he wouldn't be allowed to play that many minutes. :oldlol:

There was at least one other black guy there

http://photos.day.az/images/Dwarf_Basketball_team/4.jpg

[Marchesk]

Most of you believe the following:

*competition was tougher back in Wilt's era


It wasn't, but the center position was better and the league talent was more condensed. You can say there is more talent today and a much larger pool to pull from, but it is somewhat diluted across 30 teams.

There were also 6 consensus top 20 players from the 60s in Wilt, Russell, West, Baylor, Oscar and Hondo. Also, Petit played the first half of the 60s and Kareem joined in 69.

Wilt was hardly the only great player from that decade.

[Asukal]

There was at least one other black guy there

http://photos.day.az/images/Dwarf_Basketball_team/4.jpg

:applause: :cheers: :roll:

[La Frescobaldi]

I'll bite, OP, you freaking troll.

Chamberlain is the greatest I have ever seen, along with Kareem & Jordan. It's not because of stats - although all three of them were perfectly capable of throwing down enormous numbers whenever they pleased. It is more simple and basic than all these efficiency numbers, points or whatever you like.

It's because above all other players, those guys have been the best that I've ever seen. Kareem could take over games in the '70s - just take over the court, made it his and his alone while the rest of the players watched. Younger guys, who never saw Chamberlain play, I'm telling you OP, all their talk is garbage. He was phenomenal, able to control transition, defense, offense, unbelievable nose for the ball, best rebounder I ever saw including mighty Dennis Rodman.... out-run guys 10 years younger than him... he was the whole package in every respect of basketball. If you could have seen just one of his 30pt 30rb 10 block games as it happened you'd start to see just a glimmer of what he was like in '67 & '68.

I can't speak to Bill Russell; he was old when I started watching the pro game. But I can tell you he was something else, all right. One of the smartest players ever, if not the smartest.
Bill Walton was definitely right there in his very, very few days but the injuries never stopped.

I thought LeBron James was going to get in that little circle but his flopping has ruined it for me. He disrespects the game when he does it and that's not the sign of an all-time great. He lies to the referees and that means he is a liar to the game. I was glad to see the League take action on that because that's a bald-faced lie no question. Guys that flop should be banned from the Hall of Fame. It's not manly, it's girlie.

The numbers don't matter. I truly do believe Chamberlain, with his finesse game and unbelievable athletic prowess in today's league that uses high school foul rules, could go 38 or 40 ppg. On a bad team that gave him the green light and with teammates willing and wanting to help him - even in today's slower paced league, he could do whatever his coach asked. But there's no way to know that.

The only guy in history to even approach #13's numbers was Jordan. People say the '60s was an easier time to score.... but nobody else back then ever put up numbers higher than what we have seen every season for 50 years. Look up their numbers, they are on that great Basketball Reference website. Nobody else in the '60s put up numbers higher than what we saw in 1975 or 1985 or 2005. 30 or 33 ppg has been the standard scoring champ numbers for 50 years, and if you take Chamberlain out of the picture...... the great players of the 1960s were exactly at those same numbers. Chamberlain was the only one, man. The only one!!

Getting triple teamed by Duncan, Splitter and Manu is no different from getting triple teamed by Reed, DeBusshere & Frazier. He'd still throw down the dunk - and probably miss the free throw!!

The best personal competitions I have seen on a court were Chamberlain / Jabbar and the only downside on it is, Wilt was long past his greatest days.

There's never been a player that could stop Chamberlain, not even close.

[Marchesk]

Most of you believe the following:
*Wilt's numbers are legit and a testament to why he is the GOAT. Commonly Wilt supporters will argue for Wilt over others like Shaq because Wilt averaged more PPG, RPG, etc.

I argue for Wilt over Shaq not because of raw numbers, but because Wilt led the league more times in more categories. 7 times scoring, 11 rebounding, 9 FG%, once in overall assists, and then blocks weren't recorded, but he and Russell would have been the leaders. So that's five categories.

Wilt also played on two of the greatest teams ever. His 24/24/8 on 68% for a 68 win team that beat Boston in 5 games after they had won 8 titles in a row is GOAT level for a single season.

[Marchesk]

would his modern NBA averages go something like this:

No, obviously the pace is slower, and Wilt wouldn't be allowed to play every minute. You also have a 3 pt line with different offensive and defensive strategies. But even if Wilt is only putting up 28/15/4/4 on 60%, or whatever numbers you pull out of a hat, he's still dominant.

[Asukal]

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

The league was 15 years old, but the game of basketball had been played for over 60 years. And aside from the shot-clock, and a few small changes, it was being played virtually the same way as it was when it was invented.

"Blacks just started being allowed in the league?" They had been playing in the NBA since the early 50's. It wasn't so much that they "weren't allowed to play", as it was, there weren't many that were playing. You have to remember that the NBA drafted COLLEGE players. If there was a dearth of black players in the NBA, it was because there was dearth of them in COLLEGE. And BTW, by the mid-60's, the league was about 50/50, and by the end of the decade it was at about the same level as it is today. In Wilt's last season, there was something like 28 white players, and most of those were on the bench.

The BEST players in the league, though, were black. Wilt wasn't dominatingn short white accountants, he was slaughtering 6-10+ HOFers, many of whom would be listed at seven-feet today.

As for mpg, take a look at this post-season. Several players playing 42+ mpg, with Durant currently at 44.5 mpg. If those guys can, and do do it, most assuredly, Chamberlain would be doing it, too. In his LAST post-season, covering 17 games, he averaged 47.1 mpg, which was STILL lower than his career average. Furthermore, had Wilt "only" played 40-42 mpg, instead of 46-48, his EFFICIENCIES, including TRB% and FG% would most certainly have gone up. Think about that. 6-8 less mpg, times 80 games. He would have been considerably more refreshed in his second game, and can you imagine how much more energetic he would have been in game #80?

Anyway, keep trying...you'll get there someday.

You truly are an idiot. :facepalm

50 years of the game's existence does not equal 50 years of professional level of play. At that time, the league was very young. :facepalm

Yeah many black people weren't going to college that time why is that? :rolleyes:

42 mpg is not 48. 44 is not 48. 48 mpg means no rest at all. No coach today would be crazy enough to let any of his players play 48 minutes a game let alone in the NBA. Did you ever play basketball at all? :hammerhead:

I'm done with you. You're full of crap like always. The GOAT of the 60's is Russell and not Wilt. I don't have a problem with anyone putting Russell as the GOAT. :rockon:

[Marchesk]

Wilt played 48 minutes per game in that era, shows how bad the coaching was. If Wilt played today, he wouldn't be allowed to play that many minutes.

Right, he wouldn't play all 48 today. But what it does show is Wilt's durability and stamina. In his 50/25 season, he missed 8 minutes the entire season, including overtime. How does a 7'1 guy in a faster paced era, score that much and not wear down while playing every minute? That's because he was a freak.

[La Frescobaldi]

I argue for Wilt over Shaq not because of raw numbers, but because Wilt led the league more times in more categories. 7 times scoring, 11 rebounding, 9 FG%, once in overall assists, and then blocks weren't recorded, but he and Russell would have been the leaders. So that's five categories.

Wilt also played on two of the greatest teams ever. His 24/24/8 on 68% for a 68 win team that beat Boston in 5 games after they had won 8 titles in a row is GOAT level for a single season.
Chamberlain had quadruple doubles in that series against Boston.

[Marchesk]

Chamberlain had quadruple doubles in that series against Boston.

Imagine if Roy Hibbert did that against Miami. ISH would shut down.

[julizaver]

Imagine if Roy Hibbert did that against Miami. ISH would shut down.

:lol

Today and also the last few seasons are the weak centers years in 50 years. There is no dominant big men today. Even PF like Bosh are forced to play center position. DH is not on the same level with Hakeem and Shaq, not even Ewing and Robinson.
No question a player like Wilt will be the best center in the league.

[swagga]

so some dude that had the ridiculous physical advantge could win only 2 rings in 15 years while playing along HOF like thurmond, hal greer, guy rodgers, tom gola, paul arizin, billy cunningham, jerry west or elgin baylor on really stacked teams.

yet some retarded folks way past senility are arguing that he is the GOAT.... :lol

Btw, this institution helps people like you.
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000NwAtmWOPR0I/s/750/600/Old-Peoples-Home-06.jpg

[swagga]

Imagine if Roy Hibbert did that against Miami. ISH would shut down.

immagine roy hibbert in the 60s. They would use him in movies to play king kong, those good racially pure white people would be too scared to go near him :roll:

[Jameerthefear]

Only old senior citizen f*cks think Wilt would be worth a damn in this era.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'll bite, OP, you freaking troll.

Chamberlain is the greatest I have ever seen, along with Kareem & Jordan. It's not because of stats - although all three of them were perfectly capable of throwing down enormous numbers whenever they pleased. It is more simple and basic than all these efficiency numbers, points or whatever you like.

It's because above all other players, those guys have been the best that I've ever seen. Kareem could take over games in the '70s - just take over the court, made it his and his alone while the rest of the players watched. Younger guys, who never saw Chamberlain play, I'm telling you OP, all their talk is garbage. He was phenomenal, able to control transition, defense, offense, unbelievable nose for the ball, best rebounder I ever saw including mighty Dennis Rodman.... out-run guys 10 years younger than him... he was the whole package in every respect of basketball. If you could have seen just one of his 30pt 30rb 10 block games as it happened you'd start to see just a glimmer of what he was like in '67 & '68.

I can't speak to Bill Russell; he was old when I started watching the pro game. But I can tell you he was something else, all right. One of the smartest players ever, if not the smartest.
Bill Walton was definitely right there in his very, very few days but the injuries never stopped.

I thought LeBron James was going to get in that little circle but his flopping has ruined it for me. He disrespects the game when he does it and that's not the sign of an all-time great. He lies to the referees and that means he is a liar to the game. I was glad to see the League take action on that because that's a bald-faced lie no question. Guys that flop should be banned from the Hall of Fame. It's not manly, it's girlie.

The numbers don't matter. I truly do believe Chamberlain, with his finesse game and unbelievable athletic prowess in today's league that uses high school foul rules, could go 38 or 40 ppg. On a bad team that gave him the green light and with teammates willing and wanting to help him - even in today's slower paced league, he could do whatever his coach asked. But there's no way to know that.

The only guy in history to even approach #13's numbers was Jordan. People say the '60s was an easier time to score.... but nobody else back then ever put up numbers higher than what we have seen every season for 50 years. Look up their numbers, they are on that great Basketball Reference website. Nobody else in the '60s put up numbers higher than what we saw in 1975 or 1985 or 2005. 30 or 33 ppg has been the standard scoring champ numbers for 50 years, and if you take Chamberlain out of the picture...... the great players of the 1960s were exactly at those same numbers. Chamberlain was the only one, man. The only one!!

Getting triple teamed by Duncan, Splitter and Manu is no different from getting triple teamed by Reed, DeBusshere & Frazier. He'd still throw down the dunk - and probably miss the free throw!!

The best personal competitions I have seen on a court were Chamberlain / Jabbar and the only downside on it is, Wilt was long past his greatest days.

There's never been a player that could stop Chamberlain, not even close.


Good post until you talked about LeBron... come on man :facepalm

[La Frescobaldi]

Good post until you talked about LeBron... come on man :facepalm
Flopping is like a sacrilege of basketball.

[Marchesk]

immagine roy hibbert in the 60s. They would use him in movies to play king kong, those good racially pure white people would be too scared to go near him :roll:

No verticality doe

[Marchesk]

Only old senior citizen f*cks think Wilt would be worth a damn in this era.

He'd be better than Dwight. Whatever that means.

[ArbitraryWater]

Flopping is like a sacrilege of basketball.

I rarely seen him flop this season.. on top, it's like one every month or so, and hardly on a shooting foul... LeBron is definitely the wrong guy to attack here.

If you want to talk about manufactured players, that LIVE off of calls, you know, REF BAITERS, go straight to a Durant, Harden, etc. but don't downplay LeBron's greatness.

LeBron WILL end up > Wilt all time.

[La Frescobaldi]

I rarely seen him flop this season.. on top, it's like one every month or so, and hardly on a shooting foul... LeBron is definitely the wrong guy to attack here.

If you want to talk about manufactured players, that LIVE off of calls, you know, REF BAITERS, go straight to a Durant, Harden, etc. but don't downplay LeBron's greatness.

LeBron WILL end up > Wilt all time.
Yeah like I said I was real glad to see the NBA put a stop to that. James is a physical specimen so is Griffin. It shames the game to do that.
And ya LBJ is rocking the planet this year flopless no doubt on that.

[Marchesk]

LeBron WILL end up > Wilt all time.

He might, and he might even challenge Jordan. But the question is will people tend to forget about Lebron's greatness over time like they have done with Baylor, Oscar, West? Or will he live on in the top 5 like Russell and Wilt? Because people can say what they like about those two, but they remain relevant. They're still discussed. We still ask what they would do in this era.

In the long, long run, who will have had a greater impact on basketball, Lebron or Wilt? My money is on Wilt (and Russell).

[Jameerthefear]

I would bet my life that Lebron has more impact on the game than Wilt

[MavsSuperFan]

I argue for Wilt over Shaq not because of raw numbers, but because Wilt led the league more times in more categories. 7 times scoring, 11 rebounding, 9 FG%, once in overall assists, and then blocks weren't recorded, but he and Russell would have been the leaders. So that's five categories.

Wilt also played on two of the greatest teams ever. His 24/24/8 on 68% for a 68 win team that beat Boston in 5 games after they had won 8 titles in a row is GOAT level for a single season.
of course he did. His competition was illegitimate. Shaq faced real competition

[MavsSuperFan]

I would bet my life that Lebron has more impact on the game than Wilt
Wilt had more impact on his games because the level of competition he faced was much lower.

If lebron time traveled back to wilt/russell's era he would win the championship every year, and lead the league in all categories (assuming he was allowed to play). I say this as a lebron hater

[Jameerthefear]

Wilt had more impact on his games because the level of competition he faced was much lower.

If lebron time traveled back to wilt/russell's era he would win the championship every year, and lead the league in all categories (assuming he was allowed to play). I say this as a lebron hater
I mean as in the future. Lebron will not be forgotten like Marchesk thinks he wil

[La Frescobaldi]

I would bet my life that Lebron has more impact on the game than Wilt
That's bad news then. Nobody is changing any rules for Lebrun James, dude.
It was.... n't nice knowing you, but goodbye.

[MavsSuperFan]

You truly are an idiot. :facepalm

50 years of the game's existence does not equal 50 years of professional level of play. At that time, the league was very young. :facepalm

Yeah many black people weren't going to college that time why is that? :rolleyes:

42 mpg is not 48. 44 is not 48. 48 mpg means no rest at all. No coach today would be crazy enough to let any of his players play 48 minutes a game let alone in the NBA. Did you ever play basketball at all? :hammerhead:

I'm done with you. You're full of crap like always. The GOAT of the 60's is Russell and not Wilt. I don't have a problem with anyone putting Russell as the GOAT. :rockon:
These people are similar to the people that believe the earth is flat. There is no reasoning with them.

They will continue to believe the high point of NBA play was the 1960s

[La Frescobaldi]

Wilt had more impact on his games because the level of competition he faced was much lower.

If lebron time traveled back to wilt/russell's era he would win the championship every year, and lead the league in all categories (assuming he was allowed to play). I say this as a lebron hater
Not on the Bulls nor the Bullets back then, he's not. Not happening.

[MavsSuperFan]

Not on the Bulls nor the Bullets back then, he's not. Not happening.
http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg
enough said

[La Frescobaldi]

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg
enough said
Lol Cousy. Bulls nor bullets were teams in the '50s.

[ArbitraryWater]

Francescobaldi is definitely one of the better posters on here.. not as delusional and wierd as a jlauber either... all he gotta do is cool down on the lebron hate :applause:

[Jameerthefear]

http://i33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg
enough said
lmao

[Marchesk]

I mean as in the future. Lebron will not be forgotten like Marchesk thinks he wil

Not forgotten. But 16 years old like you in 25 years will have him out of the top 10, probably.

[Marchesk]

They will continue to believe the high point of NBA play was the 1960s

It wasn't, but there was better competition at center, and it wasn't as bad as some people think. The top talent would translate today. Baylor, Oscar, West - those guys could play and adapt to any era.

[Marchesk]

If lebron time traveled back to wilt/russell's era he would win the championship every year, and lead the league in all categories (assuming he was allowed to play). I say this as a lebron hater

Then explain why this guy, who was 6'6, 230 and broke 3 backgoards, didn't dominate the league:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WPxPfxWt8vQ/UQyTpLxGKUI/AAAAAAAAEFo/AgnZwjF2kL4/s800/GusJohnsonDunk.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

Not forgotten. But 16 years old like you in 25 years will have him out of the top 10, probably.

Why do you keep saying that? Absolute bullshit... that has happened to no player so far.

[Helix]

Then explain why this guy, who was 6'6, 230 and broke 3 backgoards, didn't dominate the league:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WPxPfxWt8vQ/UQyTpLxGKUI/AAAAAAAAEFo/AgnZwjF2kL4/s800/GusJohnsonDunk.gif


Gus was a real joy to watch back then. I just wish somewhere there existed one of his monster windmill dunks on film. I saw him do it a hand full of times and it was really something to see.

[LAZERUSS]

You truly are an idiot. :facepalm

50 years of the game's existence does not equal 50 years of professional level of play. At that time, the league was very young. :facepalm

Yeah many black people weren't going to college that time why is that? :rolleyes:

42 mpg is not 48. 44 is not 48. 48 mpg means no rest at all. No coach today would be crazy enough to let any of his players play 48 minutes a game let alone in the NBA. Did you ever play basketball at all? :hammerhead:

I'm done with you. You're full of crap like always. The GOAT of the 60's is Russell and not Wilt. I don't have a problem with anyone putting Russell as the GOAT. :rockon:

Basketball is a SIMPLE game. You dribble, you pass, you shoot, and you play defense. Aside from the 24 second clock, and later the 3pt shot, it is still being played exactly as it was 60 years ago, and with the advent of the jump shot in the 30's, the same way as 80 years ago.

And you tell me why blacks weren't going to college. It really doesn't matter from the standpoint that the NBA was basically taking, and playing, the best basketball players in the world. Of course you can find a few exceptions, but overall, the successful franchises were grabbing the BEST players. Hell, the Celtics were probably the most "black" team in the league in the 50's and 60's. And since then? Among the whitest. So what?

If the NBA didn't want black athletes dominating their sport, why did they continually draft and sign them? Again, by the late 60's the NBA was just as "black" then, as it is today. And by Wilt's last season in 73, there was an even lower percentage of whites.

But don't you find it the least bit fascinating that a 34 year old Wilt, one year removed from major knee surgery, and well past his prime, could battle a PEAK Kareem, in his greatest season, to a statistical draw in their 10 regular season and post season games? A Kareem who would go on into the 80's and routinely hang 40 point games on Hakeem (and also just blow away Ewing)? The same Hakeem who would battle a young Shaq to a near draw in the '95 Finals?

I posted it in another topic, but a peak Shaq had his career high in his career H2H's with a fading Hakeem in '99, with a 37 point game. A 39 year old Kareem who was just a shell of what he had been, hung THREE games of 40, 43, and 46 on a 23 year old Hakeem. A PEAK Kareem's career high game against a fading Nate? 34 points. And yet a prime Chamberlain routinely shelled a younger, more athletic Nate in the 60's. His high game against Thurmond was 45 points. And while a PEAK Kareem shot .447 in his career H2H's against a full-time Nate, Chamberlain had seasons of .633 FG% (on 21 ppg) against a PEAK Thurmond.

And Wilt, in his LAST TWO season, and in 11 H2H's, averaged 24 ppg on a staggering .784 FG% against the 6-11 265 HOFer Bob Lanier, and in Lanier's best seasons.

A 32 year old Wilt, in a season in which he had no desire to shoot, hung TWO 60+ games within a week. Kareem would join the NBA the very next season, play four years IN the "Wilt-era", and then play for a total of 20 seasons. His career high game... "only" 55 points.

And take WILT out of the "Wilt-era", and the single season scoring record would have been Barry's 35.6 ppg season in '67. Hell, every decade since has had a player putting up numbers like that. And the highest "non-Wilt" FG% in the "Wilt-era"... .587. Again, the equivalent of a normal NBA league high since.

Why? Why ONLY Wilt?

I took this just from Wilt's 67-68 season. ONE season, and nowhere near his best...(and in an NBA dominated by black players BTW)...


I'll try to get to 68-69 (and I'll also cover his 69-70 season, both pre and post injury) this weekend, but Wilt's domination was just unfathomable from '60 thru '67. And even his '68 regular season and post-season's were spectacular.

And once again, for those that rip Wilt's "selfish" "stats-padding", how come he was basically the ONLY one putting up those mind-boggling games? For example, and just using Wilt's 67-68 season (and in which his health was already in a state of at least a small decline), and in a season in which he clearly had no intention of leading the league in scoring, he had three straight games of 68-34 on 30-40 FG/FGA; 47-26 on 19-24 FG/FGA; and 53-38 on 20-23 FG/FGA. And I don't care about his "competition" in those three games, either, since, again, he was the ONLY guy hanging games like that. How come a prime Nate, a still great Bellamy, a still great Russell, and even a prime Reed, never remotely approached a single game like that, much less three in a row (...and with a combined average of... 56 ppg, 33 rpg, and on an unfathomable FG% of .793!)!

And, he had a plethora of other eye-popping games that season, as well. For instance, he put up the ONLY 20-20-20 game in NBA history (22 points, 25 rebounds, and 21 assists.) He had perhaps the most dominating triple-double in NBA history, with a 53 point, on 24-29 FG/FGA, with 32 rebounds, and 14 assists (and with estimates of perhaps a QUIN-DOUBLE.) He pounded the 6-11 HOFer Bellamy with a 35 point game, on 15-18 FG/FGA, with 24 rebounds, and 15 assists (just another smh game.) He had a 35 point, 16-18 FG/FGA, 15 rebound, 10 assist game. He had a 22-27-19 game (just narrowly missed yet another 20-20-20 game.) He hung games of 31-31, 33-31, and 36-35 (giving him a total of EIGHT 30-30 games....just in that one season.)

The list is almost endless, just in that one season alone, and yet, why ONLY Chamberlain? And if we had his known blocks, the list would be littered with not only a staggering number of "triple-doubles", but likely a ton of "quad-doubles" as well.

And once again, before a "basher" jumps in and again claims that Wilt was a "selfish" "stats-padder" in that season, keep in mind that Wilt's Sixers ran away with the best record in the league that season, too.


Just ONE season! One damned season. And yet here was Wilt ROUTINELY putting up what would be historic games by anyone else.

Why? Why ONLY Wilt.

[swagga]

Lol Cousy. Bulls nor bullets were teams in the '50s.

my friend you seem to not be retarded or a full time troll as the other wilt stans so I will cease my trolling for this post and ask you sincerely these simple questions:

Don't you think him not giving a shit about practice or the other teammates or the coach or anything BUT HIMSELF had a profound effect on the team's preparation and training? How can you overlook that when rating him? Isn't the final purpose to win something rather than putting 50 pts? Don't you think it is immediately related to him winning nothing so many times?

And how come you think such an unprofessional guy would be elite within the complex systems played today where practice is always necessary?

Btw, what does elite mean when he lost 49 games in a season, IN HIS PRIME? Do you see kobe/shaq/duncan/lebron/hakeem/jordan/bird/magic. Hell kevin love/chris bosh/etc never did that. And some of those guys were on absolutely retardedly bad teams.

Finally, why in the good god and sweet jesuses name do you think a choking, mentally weak, unsportsmanlike, egotistical, uninterested wilt playing in an extremely weak era, in an inferior game (game evolved a lot) can have more impact than shaq?

Don't you think it is a bit weird that he only won ONE FMVP in his entire career? I mean hakeem did it for christ's sake and against shaq nonetheless, why couldn't wilt?

simple questions and as you can see zero trolling, I can't understand why a poster with your knowledge discards some of the important things in basketball like professionalism, heart, leadership for simple ppg/rpg/apg. Or are you in the crowd that thinks kevin love is close to lebron?

[Rocketswin2013]

Pace, minutes played, competition.


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[swagga]

slurp slurp slurp one season slurp 100 slurp 50ppg slurp 20000 hoes slurp 1 mountain lion slurp

how many rings tho?

[Helix]

Why? Why ONLY Wilt.


I think Jerry West said it best............He (Wilt) was just unique.

[LAZERUSS]

my friend you seem to not be retarded or a full time troll as the other wilt stans so I will cease my trolling for this post and ask you sincerely these simple questions:

Don't you think him not giving a shit about practice or the other teammates or the coach or anything BUT HIMSELF had a profound effect on the team's preparation and training? How can you overlook that when rating him? Isn't the final purpose to win something rather than putting 50 pts? Don't you think it is immediately related to him winning nothing so many times?

And how come you think such an unprofessional guy would be elite within the complex systems played today where practice is always necessary?

Btw, what does elite mean when he lost 49 games in a season, IN HIS PRIME? Do you see kobe/shaq/duncan/lebron/hakeem/jordan/bird/magic. Hell kevin love/chris bosh/etc never did that. And some of those guys were on absolutely retardedly bad teams.

Finally, why in the good god and sweet jesuses name do you think a choking, mentally weak, unsportsmanlike, egotistical, uninterested wilt playing in an extremely weak era, in an inferior game (game evolved a lot) can have more impact than shaq?

Don't you think it is a bit weird that he only won ONE FMVP in his entire career? I mean hakeem did it for christ's sake and against shaq nonetheless, why couldn't wilt?

simple questions and as you can see zero trolling, I can't understand why a poster with your knowledge discards some of the important things in basketball like professionalism, heart, leadership for simple ppg/rpg/apg. Or are you in the crowd that thinks kevin love is close to lebron?

I could spend an hour just shredding ALL of this nonsense, but I'll address just ONE ridiculous point here...

How come Russell didn't win ANY FMVPs?

[swagga]

I like trolling lol

god bless

[Rocketswin2013]

Wilt is in the 6-9 range all-time. He was a flagrant stat padder and a playoff choker. Great player but he was what he was.

[swagga]

I could spend an hour just shredding ALL of this nonsense, but I'll address just ONE ridiculous point here...

How come Russell didn't win ANY FMVPs?

maybe because the award was not given in his playing days.

Btw the official name of the FMVP trophy is
"Bill Russell NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award" officialy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award

Suck on this one fagggot. :lol

[LAZERUSS]

how many rings tho?


How many times did MJ face a team with between FIVE and NINE HOF players?
Same with Shaq, Hakeem, Kobe, Duncan, et. al?

And how come MJ went 0-6 in playoff games against Bird's Celtics? How come he only went 1-3 against the "Bad Boys" in the post-season? How come Bird, with HOF-stacked rosters, "only" won three rings, and was lucky to get his one ring against Magic, who otherwise, owned him? How come a PEAK Kareem only won ONE ring in the decade of the 70's, the last several years of which the team that went on win the title had records of 48-34, 49-33, 44-38, and 50-32? Hell, he had the most stacked roster in the league in '78 and '79, and was blown out by a Sonics team, twice, with ONE borderline HOF player.


How come Shaq's overall scoring and FG% effciency declined dramatically in his five post-season series against the Spurs from '99 thru '04? How come MJ's scoring and efficiency declined considerably in his four post-season series against the "Bad Boys?" How come KAJ's scoring and shooting dropped DRAMATICALLY in his five playoff series against an old Wilt and a fading Thurmond?

I could go on and on, but there is no reason. You have YOUR answer. Now, go ahead and DISPUTE it with FACTS, STATS, and LOGIC.

[Deuce Bigalow]

He would average 40/20 in his prime based on what I've seen.

[swagga]

i slurp wilt

son you and euroleague should have a go at it if you are not the same person .. big if there imo. Anyways keep trolling bro.

[LAZERUSS]

maybe because the award was not given in his playing days.

Btw the official name of the FMVP trophy is
"Bill Russell NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award" officialy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award

Suck on this one fagggot. :lol

If you KNEW that, then why did you bring it up, you IDIOT?

Of course Wilt would have won the award in '67 had it existed. And he would have done so by mowing down the greatest defensive player, and the greatest dynasty in NBA history to even get to the Finals, and then he absolutely crushed a peak Thurmond, who would go on to give a PEAK Kareem fits in their entire career H2H's.

And in the year he DID win the award, he chopped down a PEAK Kareem, and a Bucks team that many thought would be the next great dynasty, and then he dominated the Finals against a Knick team that fielded FIVE HOF players.

[Deuce Bigalow]

how many rings tho?
A lot. Can you imagine how many he would win if he didn't have to face the most dominant dynasty of alltime, the '57-'69 Celtics every year?

[Marchesk]

god bless

Accusing me of trolling is the best reply you can come up with for Gus Johnson? And anyway, you'll never seem me post that Wilt would put up those numbers today. I gave a perfectly reasonable estimate (pulled from my ass doe), and said that would still be dominant in today's game.

[swagga]

A lot. Can you imagine how many he would win if he didn't have to face the most dominant dynasty of alltime, the '57-'69 Celtics every year?

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080202231409/uncyclopedia/images/1/11/Beating-a-dead-horse.gif

[Marchesk]

Why do you keep saying that? Absolute bullshit... that has happened to no player so far.

Oh really? Where do you think Oscar was ranked in the 80s? Top 5 most likely. He had GOAT consideration at one point.

[swagga]

Accusing me of trolling is the best reply you can come up with for Gus Johnson? And anyway, you'll never seem me post that Wilt would put up those numbers today. I gave a perfectly reasonable estimate (pulled from my ass doe), and said that would still be dominant in today's game.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/marius_ursus/boogieman9io.gif

[PsychoBe]

wasn't wilt a bigman that shot fade-aways and fancy fingerolls? dude would get butchered worse than pau gasoft.

[Deuce Bigalow]

wasn't wilt a bigman that shot fade-aways and fancy fingerolls? dude would get butchered worse than pau gasoft.
And yet led the league in FG% NINE times.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Wilt was a healthy 71 1/2, was faster than most guards TODAY, had leaping ability compared to Javale McGee or better, was THE STRONGEST player ever( not arguable),best rebounder ever, one of the best passing Centers ever( not arguable either,led league in assists in a tough era for assists) and on top of that was the most unstoppable scoring force ever when he wanted too. and he had a ton of moves in the psot, power moves and could shoot the freaking fadeaway from all angles. his only knock was his FT shooting but then again he wasnt Deandre Jordan from the line either.
he would have feasted in any era:coleman:

[sd3035]

wasn't wilt a bigman that shot fade-aways and fancy fingerolls? dude would get butchered worse than pau gasoft.

Gasol is a lot stronger too

[Roundball_Rock]

The point about the relative lack of black players in the 60's is interesting and a point worth considering. However, I find it interesting how that argument is frequently made regarding the 60's but the same logic is never applied to the 80's and 90's, which had few international players relative to the 21st century NBA. The talent pool today is far more wide open than it was 20-30 years ago.

Wilt has to be in the top 5 of any legitimate list (and has a strong case for GOAT), unless your criteria heavily weights winning (in which case you would have to put Russell at #1 all-time). Regarding winning, Wilt had the misfortune of playing against the GOAT dynasty. How many rings would he have won in the 2000's or 1990's (a decade in which there was only one great team)?

[sd3035]

This guy was supposedly stronger than Shaq :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://hoopspeak.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/wilt4.jpg

looks like RuPaul

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/nope.gif

Came in looking for a question, was instead immediately bombarded with assumptions, nice one OP :oldlol:

[La Frescobaldi]

my friend you seem to not be retarded or a full time troll as the other wilt stans so I will cease my trolling for this post and ask you sincerely these simple questions:

Don't you think him not giving a shit about practice or the other teammates or the coach or anything BUT HIMSELF had a profound effect on the team's preparation and training? How can you overlook that when rating him? Isn't the final purpose to win something rather than putting 50 pts? Don't you think it is immediately related to him winning nothing so many times?

And how come you think such an unprofessional guy would be elite within the complex systems played today where practice is always necessary?

Btw, what does elite mean when he lost 49 games in a season, IN HIS PRIME? Do you see kobe/shaq/duncan/lebron/hakeem/jordan/bird/magic. Hell kevin love/chris bosh/etc never did that. And some of those guys were on absolutely retardedly bad teams.

Finally, why in the good god and sweet jesuses name do you think a choking, mentally weak, unsportsmanlike, egotistical, uninterested wilt playing in an extremely weak era, in an inferior game (game evolved a lot) can have more impact than shaq?

Don't you think it is a bit weird that he only won ONE FMVP in his entire career? I mean hakeem did it for christ's sake and against shaq nonetheless, why couldn't wilt?

simple questions and as you can see zero trolling, I can't understand why a poster with your knowledge discards some of the important things in basketball like professionalism, heart, leadership for simple ppg/rpg/apg. Or are you in the crowd that thinks kevin love is close to lebron?

gosh. Give me 2 minutes while I cure world hunger!!

Chamberlain always listened to his coaches, man. I dunno about his 50 25 season, even a grey haired old guy was just a kid. But all accounts say plainly that his coach told him to do that.... and he did it. He had some amazingly bad coaches. But Hannum and Sharman were awesome, 2 of the greatest coaches the NBA has seen, and when he had them, Chamberlain shone at the highest levels ever seen.
Heart though? I don't think anybody seriously questioned his heart, like, say, Shaq with his recuperating on company time, etc.

The worthless FMVP did not exist during most of his career. To me, the FMVP being given to.... curious choices... is not a recent thing though:
1969 winner Logo
should have gone to John Havlicek
1970 winner Willis Reed
should have gone to Walt Frazier
1971 winner Kareem
arguably Oscar Robertson although I'm probably in a minority on that view.
1972 winner Chamberlain
1973 winner Willis Reed
just more examples?
.......... 1976 went to JoJo White but Hondo or Cowens were highly arguable.

Now I'm not saying Chamberlain should have won a FMVP or whatever but instead what I'm saying is that's pretty much just politics and a useless award. Means nothing. Jordan got one of his over Scottie Pippen, imo. Kobe is also debatable, instead of Pau Gasol.

And, as I've pointed out recently and for decades now, I never saw Chamberlain choke. Ever. He had a couple bad playoff games, for him, but I never saw him choke. Again, I didn't see his early years so I can't say; but that stuff all showed up: a) in the Boston press, who were goaded on by Red Auerbach and the Celtics in order to bother Chamberlain, and b) after he retired.

As far as unprofessional? don't know, never saw it. Bob Lanier was unprofessional at times; Chuck Oakley was unprofessional at times; Andrew Bynum was dirt at all times. Never saw anything like that from Chamberlain. If you mean off the court, well who cares about that really? Bill Russell sat in the bleachers for years while the Celtics practiced; Wilt ran laps. So what?

Kevin Love? Who knows? I don't think he's at Lebron's level, no. But Minnesota is no place for any great player afaik. Unfortunately. I'm a huge Pekovic fan no mistake!! But Love has not got the desire to race back on defense to suit me.

[r0drig0lac]

better than shaq (if you can get away with offensive fouls the whole career as shaq did, much better), probably 32/15/4/4 (peak 35/18) on a contender, playing fewer minutes, better efficiency.

[Asukal]

I think Jerry West said it best............He (Wilt) was just unique.

Of course he was unique. Where else can you find a player who dominated the stats sheet yet is a career loser? :applause:

[Rocketswin2013]

The problem with Wilt is that he just wasn't as good as stats may imply, he just wasn't.

He was slow in the post, he didn't play physical enough and he was just horrible from the FT-line, in fact he was so bad from the FT-line that it cost him a ring in '69 when he choked big time from the line.

And he shrunk in terms of production and it's hilarious how Lazeruss (Jlauber) always try to blame the killing defense and how Wilt got tripled and swarmed. Yet to this date Lazeruss hasn't been able to show us any of the so called swarmings that according to him happened to Wilt on daily basis.

Wilt is extremely overrated.
:applause: Playoff choker. Stat padder. Fringe top 10 player all-time. Nowhere near Kareem or Jordan as a GOAT contender. I'd take LeBron or Duncan over him.

[LAZERUSS]

The problem with Wilt is that he just wasn't as good as stats may imply, he just wasn't.

He was slow in the post, he didn't play physical enough and he was just horrible from the FT-line, in fact he was so bad from the FT-line that it cost him a ring in '69 when he choked big time from the line.

And he shrunk in terms of production and it's hilarious how Lazeruss (Jlauber) always try to blame the killing defense and how Wilt got tripled and swarmed. Yet to this date Lazeruss hasn't been able to show us any of the so called swarmings that according to him happened to Wilt on daily basis.

Wilt is extremely overrated.

A typical pure garbage post.

Chamberlain single-handedly carried his teams, year-after-year, deep into the playoffs. His teams either won, or lost to the eventual champion every year but one. And in five of those losses, his teams lost in game seven's, and in four of those, by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2...all while slaughtering his opposing centers, most all whom are in the HOF. No and's, if's, or but's. He WAXED his opposing centers.

And had he had the "good fortune" to habitually lead his team's down in flames in the first round, ala Hakeem "King of the First Round Exits" Olajuwon...his scoring and efficiency would have been considerably higher. Instead, he carried his teams, against WELL KNOWN and PUBLICIZED SWARMING DEFENSES (I have posted page-after-page of articles about that, including CELTIC PLAYERS themselves.) And yes, I have posted footage of Wilt being swarmed in the '64 Finals by the CELTICS. Of course, if we had more than 2% of his footage, like we do of the loser Hakeem, there would be TONS of proof.

Chamberlain also averaged 31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, and shot .540 from the field (in post-seasons that shot about .435 on average in that span) in his 23 "Must-Win" post-season games, which ranks third (in scoring) among the GOATS (and BTW, well ahead of Hakeem.)

And yes, he CARRIED his '67 team OFFENSIVELY in that Finals, all while completely trashing Russell and Thurmond. Of course he not only had the HIGH games, he put them up in their BIGGEST games, as well.

And before a clown like yourself suggests that he didn't "carry" the '72 Lakers...he averaged 19.2 ppg, 23.2 rpg, and shot .600 from the field in that Finals. And with two badly injured hands, he DOMINATED the clinching game five win with a 24 pt, 10-14 shooting, 29 rebound (NY had 39 BTW), 8 block game...en route to winning the FMVP. Oh, and his second best player, "Mr. Clutch" West... shot .325 from the field. In FACT, Wilt's teammates collectively shot, get this... .414 from the field in that '72 post-season, and yet, due to Wilt's BRILLIANCE, they easily won a world title.

GOAT.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Rocketswin2013]

A typical pure garbage post.

Chamberlain single-handedly carried his teams, year-after-year, deep into the playoffs. His teams either won, or lost to the eventual champion every year but one. And in five of those losses, his teams lost in game seven's, and in four of those, by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2...all while slaughtering his opposing centers, most all whom are in the HOF. No and's, if's, or but's. He WAXED his opposing centers.
How many FT attempts did he miss in those games?

[LAZERUSS]

How many FT attempts did he miss in those games?

I'll let you post them, but if you do, also post his teammates' FG% in those five games. I will let you in on this, though, in Wilt's FIVE Game seven's against the eventual champions, he collectively outscored his opposing HOF centers (ALL of them were HOFers), by a 21 ppg to 11.4 ppg margin: he collectively outrebounded them by a 28.2 rpg to 20.4 rpg margin; and he outshot them from the field by....better buckle up for this one... a .634 to .458 margin. Oh, and he OUTSCORED his opposing centers from the FT line by a collective margin of 25-12. Again, he just CRUSHED them.

So, if you want to denigrate Wilt for his FT shooting, give me his teammates FG%'s in those game seven's. I will give you a hint...in the three that we do have,... they shot .343, .360, and .418. In the two that we don't his '62 team collectively shot .354 in the entire post-season, and his '65 team collectively shot .413 from the field in their entire playoffs.

Edit...CORRECTION, Wilt outshot his opposing centers from the field in those five game sevens by a ... .645 to .458 margin (not .634 to .458.)

Next...

[LAZERUSS]

:applause: Playoff choker. Stat padder. Fringe top 10 player all-time. Nowhere near Kareem or Jordan as a GOAT contender. I'd take LeBron or Duncan over him.

BTW, how do rank Kareem's post-seasons from '72 thru '79? How about his performance in the clinching game six win in the '80 Finals? Or how about his post-season H2H's against Moses in '81 and '83? And how about his play in his '88 and '89 post-seasons?

Give me a breakdown of this player who was so much better than Chamberlain.

I can tell you this...he may have been the KING of CHOKERS.

[CavaliersFTW]

I'll let you post them, but if you do, also post his teammates' FG% in those five games. I will let you in on this, though, in Wilt's FIVE Game seven's against the eventual champions, he collectively outscored his opposing HOF centers (ALL of them were HOFers), by a 21 ppg to 11.4 ppg margin: he collectively outrebounded them by a 28.2 rpg to 20.4 rpg margin; and he outshot them from the field by....better buckle up for this one... a .634 to .458 margin. Oh, and he OUTSCORED his opposing centers from the FT line by a collective margin of 25-12. Again, he just CRUSHED them.

So, if you want to denigrate Wilt for his FT shooting, give me his teammates FG%'s in those game seven's. I will give you a hint...in the three that we do have,... they shot .343, .360, and .418. In the two that we don't his '62 team collectively shot .354 in the entire post-season, and his '65 team collectively shot .413 from the field in their entire playoffs.

Next...
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Straight_Ballin]

I'll bite, OP, you freaking troll.

Chamberlain is the greatest I have ever seen, along with Kareem & Jordan. It's not because of stats - although all three of them were perfectly capable of throwing down enormous numbers whenever they pleased. It is more simple and basic than all these efficiency numbers, points or whatever you like.

It's because above all other players, those guys have been the best that I've ever seen. Kareem could take over games in the '70s - just take over the court, made it his and his alone while the rest of the players watched. Younger guys, who never saw Chamberlain play, I'm telling you OP, all their talk is garbage. He was phenomenal, able to control transition, defense, offense, unbelievable nose for the ball, best rebounder I ever saw including mighty Dennis Rodman.... out-run guys 10 years younger than him... he was the whole package in every respect of basketball. If you could have seen just one of his 30pt 30rb 10 block games as it happened you'd start to see just a glimmer of what he was like in '67 & '68.

I can't speak to Bill Russell; he was old when I started watching the pro game. But I can tell you he was something else, all right. One of the smartest players ever, if not the smartest.
Bill Walton was definitely right there in his very, very few days but the injuries never stopped.

I thought LeBron James was going to get in that little circle but his flopping has ruined it for me. He disrespects the game when he does it and that's not the sign of an all-time great. He lies to the referees and that means he is a liar to the game. I was glad to see the League take action on that because that's a bald-faced lie no question. Guys that flop should be banned from the Hall of Fame. It's not manly, it's girlie.

The numbers don't matter. I truly do believe Chamberlain, with his finesse game and unbelievable athletic prowess in today's league that uses high school foul rules, could go 38 or 40 ppg. On a bad team that gave him the green light and with teammates willing and wanting to help him - even in today's slower paced league, he could do whatever his coach asked. But there's no way to know that.

The only guy in history to even approach #13's numbers was Jordan. People say the '60s was an easier time to score.... but nobody else back then ever put up numbers higher than what we have seen every season for 50 years. Look up their numbers, they are on that great Basketball Reference website. Nobody else in the '60s put up numbers higher than what we saw in 1975 or 1985 or 2005. 30 or 33 ppg has been the standard scoring champ numbers for 50 years, and if you take Chamberlain out of the picture...... the great players of the 1960s were exactly at those same numbers. Chamberlain was the only one, man. The only one!!

Getting triple teamed by Duncan, Splitter and Manu is no different from getting triple teamed by Reed, DeBusshere & Frazier. He'd still throw down the dunk - and probably miss the free throw!!

The best personal competitions I have seen on a court were Chamberlain / Jabbar and the only downside on it is, Wilt was long past his greatest days.

There's never been a player that could stop Chamberlain, not even close.

Finally. A legit post by someone that actually admitted that they SEEN Wilt play. I will take your word for it.

[LoneyROY7]

The problem with Wilt is that he just wasn't as good as stats may imply, he just wasn't.

He was slow in the post, he didn't play physical enough and he was just horrible from the FT-line, in fact he was so bad from the FT-line that it cost him a ring in '69 when he choked big time from the line.

And he shrunk in terms of production and it's hilarious how Lazeruss (Jlauber) always try to blame the killing defense and how Wilt got tripled and swarmed. Yet to this date Lazeruss hasn't been able to show us any of the so called swarmings that according to him happened to Wilt on daily basis.

Wilt is extremely overrated.

:applause:

[Rocketswin2013]

Wilt Chamberlain has the most excuses for his playoff failures out of any player on this board......................Ever...

Choker. End of story. Bricked crucial FT's at the line that cost his team several titles. Simple.

[Rocketswin2013]

And Wilt Chamberlain was rarely going up against centers who shot over 45% from the field. Lol I don't know why Lazeruss brings that up so much.

[LAZERUSS]

And Wilt Chamberlain was rarely going up against centers who shot over 45% from the field. Lol I don't know why Lazeruss brings that up so much.


Kareem in '71...shot .577 against the NBA. In his playoff series against a 34 year old Wilt, who was only a year removed from major knee surgery... .481.

Kareem in '72...shot .574 against the NBA. In his playoff series against a 35 year old Wilt... .457. Oh, and in the last four pivotal games of that series (three of them Laker wins BTW)... .414. All while knocking the skyhook all over the gym.

And how about Bellamy in their '68 playoff series? The Bellamy who had shot .541 against the NBA that year? ... He outshot Bellamy by a .584 to .421 margin (all while badly outscoring, outrebounding, and outassisting him.)

And sorry, but as bad a shooters as Nate and Russell were, Chamberlain reduced them both to WAY BELOW their normal FG%'s. Hell, in Russell's '67 season he actually shot decent... .454, but against Wilt in the EDF's... .358. And in that same post-season, Wilt held Thurmond, who had shot .437 against the NBA, to a ... .343 FG%.


Try again...

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt Chamberlain has the most excuses for his playoff failures out of any player on this board......................Ever...

Choker. End of story. Bricked crucial FT's at the line that cost his team several titles. Simple.

Oh, I still don't see a response to this post yet, either...


BTW, how do rank Kareem's post-seasons from '72 thru '79? How about his performance in the clinching game six win in the '80 Finals? Or how about his post-season H2H's against Moses in '81 and '83? And how about his play in his '88 and '89 post-seasons? And what was Kareem's FG% in the '84 Finals again? And how come Kareem only won ONE FMVP in the MAGIC era? And how come MAGIC outvoted Kareem in their last EIGHT regular seasons together in the MVP balloting?

Give me a breakdown of this player who was so much better than Chamberlain.

I can tell you this...he may have been the KING of CHOKERS.

Still waiting...