So I keep hearing that LeBron can guard 1-5.

[russwest0]

Who did he guard tonight?

[PickernRoller]

Myth by his stans.

#Can'tGuard1-5

[Dro]

Indiana's starting lineup almost scored 100 points...Surely there was someone he could have guarded....

[Black and White]

He couldn't stop David West

[navy]

Bad defensive showing by Lebron today. Happens.

[JohnMax]

it takes too much energy to guard West and Hibbert

[LONGTIME]

Of course he can guard 1-5, he's the best player on the planet.

[Solefade]

Bad defensive showing by Lebron today. Happens.


this, the whole team played like ass defensively and pacers played well offensively and hitting open shots :confusedshrug:

doubt it will happen again this series

[navy]

it takes too much energy to guard West and Hibbert
Not really, the problem is he leaves West to help on the ball. We'll see how Spo adjust that strategy.

[crunk-juice]

PG is the better defender

[kennethgriffin]

only guy that could ever do it successfully was dennis rodman

pippen could do 1-4


lebron can guard 2,3,4

kobe guarded 1,2,3

[russwest0]

Bad defensive showing by Lebron today. Happens.

It happened in the ECF and Finals last year too but once he got a garbage time block on Tiago Splitter no one in the media cared :oldlol:

[ABfor3]

LeBron is overrated on defense

[LONGTIME]

PG is the better defender

:no: Lebron is the elite of the elite.

[AnaheimLakers24]

guarded himself in the 4th

[Angel Face]

guarded himself in the 4th

:oldlol:

[navy]

It happened in the ECF and Finals last year too but once he got a garbage time block on Tiago Splitter no one in the media cared :oldlol:

Lebron shut down Paul George in Game 7 and made Tony Parker sit on the bench while Popovich relied on Manu Ginobli. You give and you take.

Like I said it happens. Lebron's poor defense this game was more due to how they game planned then effort. Im not worried about it.

Then again this is ISH, not sure why Im responding seriously....


Lebron shut down the Pacers, they were just hitting contested shots. There's that's better.

[Warfan]

He has played well on that end of the floor so far in the playoffs but wasn't good today.

[poido123]

guarded himself in the 4th


:lol

[T_L_P]

The simple answer is, he can't.

Rodman was probably the only player that ever could (does anyone know how he did against smaller guards?)

[BlazerRed]

OP don't be mean to my boy Lebron!! :cry:

[Eye Test]

guarded himself in the 4th

:applause: and did a fantastic job

[nzahir]

only guy that could ever do it successfully was dennis rodman

pippen could do 1-4


lebron can guard 2,3,4

kobe guarded 1,2,3

So I guess drose and parker are nobodies huh? Lebron can guard the 1-4, only 5s he can guard would be someone like bosh, pau at times, and small bigs

[coin24]

guarded himself in the 4th


:lol :lol

Really got inside his head and shut him down:bowdown:

DPOY:applause:

[MrC1991]

lmfao @ AnaheimLakers24...but come on yall you know LeBron can guard 1-4 if he puts his best effort into it.

[INDI]

The simple answer is, he can't.

Rodman was probably the only player that ever could (does anyone know how he did against smaller guards?)

There's a youtube vid of him guarding Jordan pretty decent when he was on the pistons. Going from guarding Jordan the most dominant guard ever to guarding Shaq the most strongest center ever is pretty impressive

[Dro]

lmfao @ AnaheimLakers24...but come on yall you know LeBron can guard 1-4 if he puts his best effort into it.
I can't lie....I took Anaheim off ignore for that one....It was funny...Don't even remember why I had him on ignore in the first place...:confusedshrug:

[MrC1991]

Dude legit made me laugh out loud. Good job, Anaheim.

[Genaro]

Lebron can't guard bigs. West took a huge dump on him today.

[MrC1991]

Lebron can't guard bigs. West took a huge dump on him today.

How much bigger is West than Lebron? Maybe West just had himself a good game.

[Genaro]

How much bigger is West than Lebron? Maybe West just had himself a good game.
He sure did. Cause his defender was not fitted to guard him. :lol

[T_L_P]

There's a youtube vid of him guarding Jordan pretty decent when he was on the pistons. Going from guarding Jordan the most dominant guard ever to guarding Shaq the most strongest center ever is pretty impressive

I've seen footage of him taking Magic and Penny too, so I know he can guard tall PGs/SGs. I'm just wondering if he ever guarded someone like Stockton for a prolonged time (not that he'd necessarily have to).

But yeah, Rodman's versatility on defense. LeBron stans can't even fathom how great it was, when they think he can guard 1-5. :oldlol:

[nzahir]

There's a youtube vid of him guarding Jordan pretty decent when he was on the pistons. Going from guarding Jordan the most dominant guard ever to guarding Shaq the most strongest center ever is pretty impressive
Those are just clips bud, rodman couldnt guard shaq; and especially not a prime shaq. Rodman didnt do bad on shaq, just saying he(or nobody really) could guard shaq. Just contain him. Rodman on detroit could guard mj a bit, but just to tire him for some plays

[MrC1991]

He sure did. Cause his defender was not fitted to guard him. :lol

lol true homie, but West is one crafty dude in the post.

[MrC1991]

I've seen footage of him taking Magic and Penny too, so I know he can guard tall PGs/SGs. I'm just wondering if he ever guarded someone like Stockton for a prolonged time (not that he'd necessarily have to).

But yeah, Rodman's versatility on defense. LeBron stans can't even fathom how great it was, when they think he can guard 1-5. :oldlol:

Rodman and Pippen are some of the GOAT defenders. Especially a younger Rodman. Whew he was nasty on D

[nzahir]

How much bigger is West than Lebron? Maybe West just had himself a good game.
Only an inch taller. Well it says west weighs the same as lebron, but he just looks a bit bigger.

[Mr Exlax]

I believe he can. He's not gonna be successful every outing. It's about consistency. Does he consistenly get killed by 4s and 5s? No he does not, so therefore he can defend those positions. Are you people serious with this shit? He can't shut down every player at every position. There's nobody that has.

[chazzy]

He's still coasting, just wait

[stalkerforlife]

LeDefer can't even guard his own position, much less any others.

[plowking]

Lebron can't guard bigs. West took a huge dump on him today.

Bron guards West better than anyone on our team. In fact, most of the time, he keeps him quiet.

Last two years we've played Indiana, whenever Bron was on West he played his best defense. He actually struggled a bit against Paul George but did a great job on West.

Bron can guard 1-5. He obviously isn't going to do it for the whole game due to match ups, but he can.

[plowking]

I believe he can. He's not gonna be successful every outing. It's about consistency. Does he consistenly get killed by 4s and 5s? No he does not, so therefore he can defend those positions. Are you people serious with this shit? He can't shut down every player at every position. There's nobody that has.

It's as if people assume he has to shut them down to guard them.

People love taking microcosm's from Lebron's career/game and making it seem like a consistency since he entered the league. All it takes is one play where someone makes a fadeaway on him, and boom, "told you he can't guard them". :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

guarded himself in the 4th


:oldlol:

[Cold soul]

LeBron is overrated on defense

This... It has been for the last few years.

[imdaman99]

Stop hating OP, I seen bran cover Kendrick Perkins in the Finals and lock him up :bowdown:

[Mr Exlax]

It's as if people assume he has to shut them down to guard them.

People love taking microcosm's from Lebron's career/game and making it seem like a consistency since he entered the league. All it takes is one play where someone makes a fadeaway on him, and boom, "told you he can't guard them". :oldlol:

They have low bball IQ

[Suguru101]

only guy that could ever do it successfully was dennis rodman

pippen could do 1-4


lebron can guard 2,3,4

kobe guarded 1,2,3

Rose and Parker didn't get shut down?

[poido123]

It's as if people assume he has to shut them down to guard them.

People love taking microcosm's from Lebron's career/game and making it seem like a consistency since he entered the league. All it takes is one play where someone makes a fadeaway on him, and boom, "told you he can't guard them". :oldlol:


It's somewhere in between you overrating the fck out of his defense and someone overreacting to one bad day...

He is not what I'd call a sustained effort defender, where he will spend an entire quarter or game defending a player like a glove. He will do it in small bursts, and he's quite effective at doing it IF done in small bursts. He takes too much time off on defense and he loses his man off the ball too often. The rest is ESPN garbage trying to make him a player/defender that he is not.

[plowking]

It's somewhere in between you overrating the fck out of his defense and someone overreacting to one bad day...

He is not what I'd call a sustained effort defender, where he will spend an entire quarter or game defending a player like a glove. He will do it in small bursts, and he's quite effective at doing it IF done in small bursts. He takes too much time off on defense and he loses his man off the ball too often. The rest is ESPN garbage trying to make him a player/defender that he is not.

No, he doesn't lose his man off the ball. Hardly ever in fact.
He is a great defender. All time great in fact. You need to accept that.

Sustained effort defender? There isn't a single perimeter player in NBA history that can spend an entire game defending a player like a glove for a whole game outside of defensive specialists. Pippen and Payton didn't do it unless they were man marking a guy the entire game, and you want Lebron doing it? :oldlol:
And Lebron has done it for quarters. Go watch him shut down Parker and Rose again if you don't believe me. I even remember the game threads on it. First half Parker goes off for 14 points being guarded by Chalmers, and multiple people commented "Well he sure isn't injured playing like that". Then Bron switches onto him in the 2nd half and he misses something like 6 or 7 of his next shots in a row, and all of a sudden the haters come out with "Yeah, but he's injured".

[Ne 1]

This myth was put to rest last year. Actually haven't really heard much of that talk in over a year. Last year was pretty rampant. But died down pretty quickly after the Finals.

I always thought he was an overrated defender. I was convinced of that after I saw the Lakers iso'ing Swaggy P for an entire quarter and he was scoring at will on :lebroncry:

Iso Joe was killing him. Lance was bodying him. West was toying with him.

http://gfycat.com/MeatyDimIchneumonfly

[LoneyROY7]

And yet still a better defender than Kevin Urant.

[nathanjizzle]

yea, that falacy is annoying as ****. just because lebron switches for a few minutes a game doesnt mean he can guard that position. when he tried to guard kg for most of a game, he almost fouled out.

[Mr Exlax]

yea, that falacy is annoying as ****. just because lebron switches for a few minutes a game doesnt mean he can guard that position. when he tried to guard kg for most of a game, he almost fouled out.

How many other times has it happened though? KG plays what? Center now? How many other ones would make him almost foul out? He can and has done it and been successful at it. He won't shut down every player at every position like i keep saying. He is a great stop gap if needed.

[Heatles201]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Yt0xJKDY8 - Bran to rustywest

[russwest0]

Come on peeps I'm as big of a LeBron stan as there is but at least don't make shit up about his defense to try and make it seem better than it is. He's not a perfect player and that's OK. Not everyone can be on that peak MJ level and that's OK.

In the 2013 ECF Lance Stephenson and Paul George routinely burned LeBron on the perimiter and LeBron also gave up open jumpers to guys like George Hill because he tried to flop for the whistle.

In the 2013 Finals whoever he guarded basically got hot. Ginboli's one game where he actually played well it came with LeBron on him most of the time. Tony Parkers best game? LeBron on him for most of the stretch in the 4th where Parker dominated. Etc.

LeBron has also never legitimately guarded a worthwhile center for more than a few minutes at a time (aside from scrubs like Kendrick Perkins who the Clippers even had JJ Redick guard) which is nothing different than something many SF's do. So this myth that he actually guards "1-5" and is "the only player in the league," let alone "one of the few players in history" that can do it is just pathetic.

You people are the reason our beloved LeBron has haters like he does.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

This myth was put to rest last year. Actually haven't really heard much of that talk in over a year. Last year was pretty rampant. But died down pretty quickly after the Finals.

I always thought he was an overrated defender. I was convinced of that after I saw the Lakers iso'ing Swaggy P for an entire quarter and he was scoring at will on :lebroncry:

Iso Joe was killing him. Lance was bodying him. West was toying with him.

http://gfycat.com/MeatyDimIchneumonfly

More Kobetard propaganda :facepalm . I swear you guys are nowhere to be seen after all those games where Lebron did a great job on West.

[DaSeba5]

Come on peeps I'm as big of a LeBron stanas there is but at least don't make shit up about his defense to try and make it seem better than it is. He's not a perfect player and that's OK. Not everyone can be on that peak MJ level and that's OK.

In the 2013 ECF Lance Stephenson and Paul George routinely burned LeBron on the perimiter and LeBron also gave up open jumpers to guys like George Hill because he tried to flop for the whistle.

In the 2013 Finals whoever he guarded basically got hot. Ginboli's one game where he actually played well it came with LeBron on him most of the time. Tony Parkers best game? LeBron on him for most of the stretch in the 4th where Parker dominated. Etc.

LeBron has also never legitimately guarded a worthwhile center for more than a few minutes at a time (aside from scrubs like Kendrick Perkins who the Clippers even had JJ Redick guard) which is nothing different than something many SF's do. So this myth that he actually guard "1-5" and is "the only player in the league," let alone "one of the few players in history" that can do it is just pathetic.

You people are the reason our beloved LeBron has haters like he does.

:biggums:

[Relinquish]

only guy that could ever do it successfully was dennis rodman

pippen could do 1-4


lebron can guard 2,3,4

kobe guarded 1,2,3

Lebron made D Rose invisible...so he can guard 1-4. :confusedshrug:

[poido123]

No, he doesn't lose his man off the ball. Hardly ever in fact.
He is a great defender. All time great in fact. You need to accept that.

Sustained effort defender? There isn't a single perimeter player in NBA history that can spend an entire game defending a player like a glove for a whole game outside of defensive specialists. Pippen and Payton didn't do it unless they were man marking a guy the entire game, and you want Lebron doing it? :oldlol:
And Lebron has done it for quarters. Go watch him shut down Parker and Rose again if you don't believe me. I even remember the game threads on it. First half Parker goes off for 14 points being guarded by Chalmers, and multiple people commented "Well he sure isn't injured playing like that". Then Bron switches onto him in the 2nd half and he misses something like 6 or 7 of his next shots in a row, and all of a sudden the haters come out with "Yeah, but he's injured".





The Parker and Rose "shutdown" gets so overrated by Heat fans.

In reality, Rose had the full force of the defense channeled in on him, it wasn't just Lebron. There were plenty of traps set on Rose that you credit Lebron for. While Rose expended all his energy trying to go 1 on 5, Lebron rode the back of his stacked team. :rolleyes:

As for Parker, wasn't he hobbled in the last few games of the finals? IS that what you claim to be great defense? On a guy who is injured? :oldlol: Next you will be claiming Lebron shutdown a coke can or a quadriplegic in a wheelchair :roll:

As for Lebron's defense, he gets beaten off the dribble a lot, he gets beaten off the ball by his direct opponent then proceeds to yell at little Mario for his own transgressions, his on the ball defense is hell overrated and you have to factor in that he spends alot of time coasting/resting on his stacked team, before he decides to amp up defense on a particular player. He likes to wait until the 4th quarter to show his defense, to him its about attention and he knows people will remember that part of the defense in the game.

Most of the hype comes from ESPN and his fans (the Splitter block), the exciting and often glamorous defense he chooses to do which might bring him attention and glory. While I do believe he is a very good defender, I think its easy to overlook the weaknesses.

Chase down blocks, steals in the passing lanes he is very good at. On the ball defense, very capable but in spurts.

You brought up guys like Payton and Pippen? Those guys played hard D the entire game. Sure they got beaten on a killer cross over or a quick dribble, but they had quick recovery and excellent anticipation skills. You should probably of mentioned Jordan too, he was elite at his position at defense.

[DaSeba5]

I think LeBron is a terrific team/help defender, but overrated man to man defender. He just had a bad game today.

[sekachu]

Who did he guard tonight?



It doesn't matter if he could guard 1-5, he isn't that great at individual defensively

[Harison]

only guy that could ever do it successfully was dennis rodman

pippen could do 1-4


lebron can guard 2,3,4

kobe guarded 1,2,3

Russell, KG and Hakeem wants a word with you :confusedshrug:

[AintNoSunshine]

If his team other than DWade isn't so useless and incompetent on offense and he can spend more energy on D, I think he can guard anyone just fine.

[AirTupac]

LeBron still thinks his stupid ass should win DPOY?

[Yankstar]

I give you evidence of Lebron elite defensive skills

http://i.imgur.com/pSngI.jpg

Only he could keep the best player on the planet scoreless in the fourth quarter 2 times in a series :bowdown:

[dabigbaws]

perkins does well on perimeter players lol (srs) i dont know how but he actually covers them pretty good

also i'd love to see lebron try and guard someone like howard

[TheMan]

Of course he can't guard 1-5, that's Bran stan BS, if Spo were dumb enough to put him on Hibbert, he would get mauled, now imagine what Shaq would do...

[hawksdogsbraves]

Of course he can't guard 1-5, that's Bran stan BS, if Spo were dumb enough to put him on Hibbert, he would get mauled, now imagine what Shaq would do...

Hibbert couldn't shoot 50% on an open basket in shoot-arounds. He'd clank half his shots off the rim trying that ugly hook shot he has.

[GODbe]

Most of the times it doesn't even look like he can guard his own position let alone 1-5.