THAT is why LeDefer will never crack my top 10...

[stalkerforlife]

Obviously, LeDefer is a coward and a choker. The collusion destroyed his legacy and reputation as a man. HOWEVER, what is more disgusting, is his DEFERRING time after time to PAD HIS STATS. That's why his stats do NOT impress me. Case in point, when the half is ending, he is WIDE OPEN and wants NOTHING to do with the ball because he's afraid to hoist up a low percentage shot that will hurt his stats. He does this ALL THE TIME. Late in games, he DEFERS because he is scared of failing and he doesn't want to make his shooting percentage look bad. It is BETA. BETA. BETA.

The guy is a STAT PADDING fraud. Give me Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Durant, and plenty of other players just from THIS GENERATION over LeDefer. Give me WADE over LeDefer. I want an ALPHA leading my team, not some prima donna worrying about what everyone else thinks of him.

[TylerOO]

No WAY bro. You are WRONG

[moe94]

No WAY bro. You are WRONG

[Black and White]

In b4 shitstorm


ps: No WAY bro. You are WRONG

[JohnFreeman]

Shut up alt.

[Jameerthefear]

No WAY bro. You are WRONG

[Eye Test]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1199533/yaylebron.gif

i dont want the guy supposedly leading my team to celebrate like this if we win, i rather lose :facepalm

just look how contagiously emotional that is by looking at battier

[zoom17]

No WAY bro. You are WRONG

[stalkerforlife]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1199533/yaylebron.gif

i dont want the guy supposedly leading my team to celebrate like this if we win, i rather lose :facepalm

You ain't lying.

Are you going back to your Jabbar name? Legends like you should never change your name or leave.

[GODbe]

Honestly if I were starting a team I'd take current Wade over rookie LeBald.

[Mr. Incredible]

Let it all out young fella :applause: :bowdown:

[oarabbus]

NO way BRO. YOU ARE wrong

[Eye Test]

You ain't lying.

Are you going back to your Jabbar name? Legends like you should never change your name or leave.

thanks, my ban gets lifted Thursday so ill be back that day unless king jeffry has other plans

[JohnFreeman]

Honestly if I were starting a team I'd take current Wade over rookie LeBald.
Well you are an idiot.

[TylerOO]

Well you are an idiot.

Well YOU are an IDIOT*

[lilteapot]

Op is saying this after one game

[stalkerforlife]

Op is saying this after one game

I am saying this after a CAREER.

Don't get me wrong, LeDefer is not completely to blame. His fans and the media portrayed him to be something he isn't and he gets the backlash.

[Kvnzhangyay]

The very fact that you have to tell other people he isn't in your top 10 just shows how good he is

So where do you rank Lebron?

[lilteapot]

I am saying this after a CAREER.

Don't get me wrong, LeDefer is not completely to blame. His fans and the media portrayed him to be something he isn't and he gets the backlash.
Well then you're a bigger idiot than I thought

[stalkerforlife]

So where do you rank Lebron?

Top 25-40 all time, currently. If he goes back to the Cavs and wins ONE title, it will do wonder for him on my list.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Top 25-40 all time, currently. If he goes back to the Cavs and wins ONE title, it will do wonder for him on my list.

Doesn't that just show how amazing he is already?

[Cold soul]

Lebron going end up 10 all-time time he already is close it's time to accept it and move on. I say this as Lebron hater BTW.

[moe94]

Top 25-40 all time, currently. If he goes back to the Cavs and wins ONE title, it will do wonder for him on my list.

This is the part where you list 25+ careers that are better than LeBron.

[stalkerforlife]

This is the part where you list 25+ careers that are better than LeBron.

That's the point, dude. LeDefer is a stat padding fraud. All the weak sheep follow along with the media and the stats and refuse to actually analyze what's taking place. If I list 25 better players than him, you will just go run to your boxscore and tell yourself you are the victor. LeMedia and lack of basketball IQ have blinded millions.

[Kvnzhangyay]

That's the point, dude. LeDefer is a stat padding fraud. All the weak sheep follow along with the media and the stats and refuse to actually analyze what's taking place. If I list 25 better players than him, you will just go run to your boxscore and tell yourself you are the victor. LeMedia and lack of basketball IQ have blinded millions.

So how do u rank people then?

[moe94]

That's the point, dude. LeDefer is a stat padding fraud. All the weak sheep follow along with the media and the stats and refuse to actually analyze what's taking place. If I list 25 better players than him, you will just go run to your boxscore and tell yourself you are the victor. LeMedia and lack of basketball IQ have blinded millions.

http://news.seagm.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Dodge-This1.gif

[Jameerthefear]

Moe stop being a headass.

[stalkerforlife]

So how do u rank people then?

My eyes.

[Black and White]

Moe stop being a headass.

You beefing with Moe as well?

[PsychoBe]

http://news.seagm.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Dodge-This1.gif

haha i get it. he's dodgin' the question :applause:

or duckin? :eek:

or...weaving? :lol

or....he's in the matrix? :wtf:

mister anderson??? :confusedshrug:

i give up :facepalm

[moe94]

haha i get it. he's dodgin' the question :applause:

or duckin? :eek:

or...weaving? :lol

or....he's in the matrix? :wtf:

mister anderson??? :confusedshrug:

i give up :facepalm

You got it the first time. :coleman:

[Jameerthefear]

You beefing with Moe as well?
I always beef with moe. F*ck moe.

[Black and White]

I always beef with moe. F*ck moe.

He said something that pissed you off huh?

[Jameerthefear]

He said something that pissed you off huh?
He's wack as f*ck. Don't want anything to do with that dude. F*ck moe94

[dubeta]

Meanwhile in Cali...

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/J-58hkaEf3I/hqdefault.jpg

And somehow this fakkit is top 10 all time?

[stalkerforlife]

25 players better than LeDefer off the top of my head...

Hakeem
Shaq
Duncan
Karl Malone
Kobe
Pippen
Jordan
Bird
Zeke
Barkley
David Robinson
Ewing
Dirk
Jabbar
Drexler
Kidd
Durant
Tony Parker
Garnett
Wade
Mchale
Payton
Dwight Howard
Stockton
Rodman

I do NOT count players i've never seen play. That is just silly. The players I named weren't ref and media made. LeDefer is a beta and a coward and a stat padding fraud. I don't care about his 2 titles after he colluded to form a super team in his prime. At least guys like Payton chased titles after their primes.

[Black and White]

25 players better than LeDefer off the top of my head...

Hakeem
Shaq
Duncan
Karl Malone
Kobe
Pippen
Jordan
Bird
Zeke
Barkley
David Robinson
Ewing
Dirk
Jabbar
Drexler
Kidd
Durant
Tony Parker
Garnett
Wade
Mchale
Payton
Dwight Howard
Stockton
Rodman

I do NOT count players i've never seen play. That is just silly. The players I named weren't ref and media made. LeDefer is a beta and a coward and a stat padding fraud. I don't care about his 2 titles after he colluded to form a super team in his prime. At least guys like Payton chased titles after their primes.


The bolded are fine (Hakeem is debateable), the rest have no case over him, LOL @ Durant and Howard.

Are you going by career or peak play?

[GODbe]

25 players better than LeDefer off the top of my head...

Hakeem
Shaq
Duncan
Karl Malone
Kobe
Pippen
Jordan
Bird
Zeke
Barkley
David Robinson
Ewing
Dirk
Jabbar
Drexler
Kidd
Durant
Tony Parker
Garnett
Wade
Mchale
Payton
Dwight Howard
Stockton
Rodman

I do NOT count players i've never seen play. That is just silly. The players I named weren't ref and media made. LeDefer is a beta and a coward and a stat padding fraud. I don't care about his 2 titles after he colluded to form a super team in his prime. At least guys like Payton chased titles after their primes.
Great list:applause: . About 20-25 more i'd add in there.

[TylerOO]

The bolded are fine (Hakeem is debateable), the rest have no case over him, LOL @ Durant and Howard.

Are you going by career or peak play?

Hes an obvious troll.

[Black and White]

Hes an obvious troll.

He is sure putting in effort, typing out that stupid list.

[Roundball_Rock]

25 players better than LeDefer off the top of my head...

Hakeem
Shaq
Duncan
Karl Malone
Kobe
Pippen
Jordan
Bird
Zeke
Barkley
David Robinson
Ewing
Dirk
Jabbar
Drexler
Kidd
Durant
Tony Parker
Garnett
Wade
Mchale
Payton
Dwight Howard
Stockton
Rodman

I do NOT count players i've never seen play. That is just silly. The players I named weren't ref and media made. LeDefer is a beta and a coward and a stat padding fraud. I don't care about his 2 titles after he colluded to form a super team in his prime. At least guys like Payton chased titles after their primes.

Barkley: played with Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle in Phoenix and then went to Houston to play with Hakeem and Drexler (they were all post-prime but had a enough gas left in the tank to reach the WCF).

Shaq: played with Penny and Horace Grant in Orlando; played with 4 all-stars in LA in 1998; spent the early 2000's with Kobe; played with Wade in Miami; played with Nash and Amare in Phoenix (he was old at this point but still was an all-star for most of his time in Phoenix).

Duncan: landed on a team with arguably the second best center in the league and arguably the GOAT coach. Parker and Ginolobi joined later.

Malone: spent his entire career with Stockton.

Kobe: Shaq, Glen Rice, Gasol, Artest, Bynum, Odom.

Jordan: Pippen for his entire (winning) career, Grant, Rodman, Kukoc and arguably the GOAT coach. MJ refused to come back if the Bulls did not bring Pippen and Jackson back. Is that collusion?

Ewing: Starks, Oakley, Mason, Houston, Sprewell, Camby.

Durant: Wesbtrook, Harden, Ibaka.

Garnett: the original "big 3" of the 2000's--you know, the one which took out the top 3 players in the East in consecutive series in 2010.

Payton: played with 2 other all-stars in Kemp, Schrempf and also had Hawkins and Perkins.

Bird: McHale, Parish, D. Johnson, Ainge, Walton.

These are just some examples. Yet we are to get on Lebron for playing with Wade and Bosh, a player who is a 15/6 type at this point?

[Straight_Ballin]

I always beef with moe. F*ck moe.

You should be more concerned with the reason why you decided to like anime.
Your obsession of wanting to be one of the characters in the "goosh goosh" vid on YouTube is cringe worthy....

[stalkerforlife]

The bolded are fine (Hakeem is debateable), the rest have no case over him, LOL @ Durant and Howard.

Are you going by career or peak play?

I'm going by my eyes.

LeDefer is not real, dude. He is a figment of your imagination. He bull rushes defenders, travels, crab dribbles, and almost his entire game is illegal. The NBA needed a face to the league and they made special rules for him. Watch the games. Be objective. He. Is. Not. Real.

[funnystuff]

Barkley: played with Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle in Phoenix and then went to Houston to play with Hakeem and Drexler (they were all post-prime but had a enough gas left in the tank to reach the WCF).

Shaq: played with Penny and Horace Grant in Orlando; played with 4 all-stars in LA in 1998; spent the early 2000's with Kobe; played with Wade in Miami; played with Nash and Amare in Phoenix (he was old at this point but still was an all-star for most of his time in Phoenix).

Duncan: landed on a team with arguably the second best center in the league and arguably the GOAT coach. Parker and Ginolobi joined later.

Malone: spent his entire career with Stockton.

Kobe: Shaq, Glen Rice, Gasol, Artest, Bynum, Odom.

Jordan: Pippen for his entire (winning) career, Grant, Rodman, Kukoc and arguably the GOAT coach. MJ refused to come back if the Bulls did not bring Pippen and Jackson back. Is that collusion?

Ewing: Starks, Oakley, Mason, Houston, Sprewell, Camby.

Durant: Wesbtrook, Harden, Ibaka.

Garnett: the original "big 3" of the 2000's--you know, the one which took out the top 3 players in the East in consecutive series in 2010.

Payton: played with 2 other all-stars in Kemp, Schrempf and also had Hawkins and Perkins.

Bird: McHale, Parish, D. Johnson, Ainge, Walton.

These are just some examples. Yet we are to get on Lebron for playing with Wade and Bosh, a player who is a 15/6 type at this point?
Ethre

[stalkerforlife]

Barkley: played with Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle in Phoenix and then went to Houston to play with Hakeem and Drexler (they were all post-prime but had a enough gas left in the tank to reach the WCF).

Shaq: played with Penny and Horace Grant in Orlando; played with 4 all-stars in LA in 1998; spent the early 2000's with Kobe; played with Wade in Miami; played with Nash and Amare in Phoenix (he was old at this point but still was an all-star for most of his time in Phoenix).

Duncan: landed on a team with arguably the second best center in the league and arguably the GOAT coach. Parker and Ginolobi joined later.

Malone: spent his entire career with Stockton.

Kobe: Shaq, Glen Rice, Gasol, Artest, Bynum, Odom.

Jordan: Pippen for his entire (winning) career, Grant, Rodman, Kukoc and arguably the GOAT coach. MJ refused to come back if the Bulls did not bring Pippen and Jackson back. Is that collusion?

Ewing: Starks, Oakley, Mason, Houston, Sprewell, Camby.

Durant: Wesbtrook, Harden, Ibaka.

Garnett: the original "big 3" of the 2000's--you know, the one which took out the top 3 players in the East in consecutive series in 2010.

Payton: played with 2 other all-stars in Kemp, Schrempf and also had Hawkins and Perkins.

Bird: McHale, Parish, D. Johnson, Ainge, Walton.

These are just some examples. Yet we are to get on Lebron for playing with Wade and Bosh, a player who is a 15/6 type at this point?

No player that is supposedly the best in the game has ever left his own team in his prime to join a finals MVP in his prime. That is unprecedented. That is cowardly. Every single example you gave was bollocks.

[Roundball_Rock]

Free agency did not even exist until the end of the 80's.

Other greats did not need to leave because, as the list illustrates, they enjoyed the luxury of being part of competent franchises who were able to build around them. Had Cleveland been competent Lebron would have stayed. What makes Lebron unique is not the "collusion" but rather the incompetence of the Cavs. Name me one other top-tier all-time great whose original team failed to put decent talent around him at some point...

[stalkerforlife]

Free agency did not even exist until the end of the 80's.

Other greats did not need to leave because, as the list illustrates, they enjoyed the luxury of being part of competent franchises who were able to build around them. Had Cleveland been competent Lebron would have stayed. What makes Lebron unique is not the "collusion" but rather the incompetence of the Cavs. Name me one other top-tier all-time great whose original team failed to put decent talent around him at some point...

LeExcuses from another blind sheep.

:facepalm

[Roundball_Rock]

Is there any other top 15 player all-time whose original team surrounded him with no players better than Big Z, Larry Hughes and Anderson Varjeo for his first 7 seasons? :roll:

[Kvnzhangyay]

LeExcuses from another blind sheep.

:facepalm

So what makes your view right and the majority's wrong?

[DaSeba5]

LeExcuses from another blind sheep.

:facepalm

Name calling doesn't make your argument stronger.

[LongLiveTheKing]

But its Lebron's goal to make the OP's top 10
oh no