Wait so Kobe can 2peat with gasol as a 2nd option but bosh as a 3rd option is not....

[rule1223]

enough for lebron? former near perennial 20/10 bosh is in his prime right now and playing 3rd fiddle for lebron yet heat fans want more? Please tell me again how Kobe is a cancer to his team while lebron makes his teammates better

[215Philly]

1 game

[Black and White]

LeBron being a great team-mate/fitting into a team easily is fabricated bullshit, Wade and Bosh both had to take massive steps back to make this work, Bosh is basically a spot up shooter now.

[DFish24]

LeBron being a great team-mate/fitting into a team easily is fabricated bullshit, Wade and Bosh both had to take massive steps back to make this work, Bosh is basically a spot up shooter now.

:applause:

[russwest0]

LeBron being a great team-mate/fitting into a team easily is fabricated bullshit, Wade and Bosh both had to take massive steps back to make this work, Bosh is basically a spot up shooter now.

:applause:

[stalkerforlife]

LeBron being a great team-mate/fitting into a team easily is fabricated bullshit, Wade and Bosh both had to take massive steps back to make this work, Bosh is basically a spot up shooter now.

:applause:

[DaSeba5]

For starters, Bosh knew what he signed up for. He could have easily stayed in Toronto and remained the player you want him to be. Wade also had to accept that he would be the 2nd option in order for them to win a title. The first year they struggled to fit and they lost. Then they accepted it and won 2 titles. So.... :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

LeBron being a great team-mate/fitting into a team easily is fabricated bullshit, Wade and Bosh both had to take massive steps back to make this work, Bosh is basically a spot up shooter now.
Wade is not capable of being his pre-LeBron self. He's not 25 anymore.

The way bosh plays has little to do with LeBron. Miami doesn't have a legit center, so bosh can't really be an effective stretch 4 type. Look what having Robin Lopez did for Aldridge. Bosh could step it up too if he had a serviceable center.


Another hater posing as an "objective poster" revealing his true colors.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

LeBron being a great team-mate/fitting into a team easily is fabricated bullshit, Wade and Bosh both had to take massive steps back to make this work, Bosh is basically a spot up shooter now.

Lebron is better than Kobe because he makes his teammates better.

:roll:

[Black Mamba's B]

LeBron being a great team-mate/fitting into a team easily is fabricated bullshit, Wade and Bosh both had to take massive steps back to make this work, Bosh is basically a spot up shooter now.
Been saying this for years. Media agenda driven bs.. like on how LeBron can cover all five positions :facepalm

[Jameerthefear]

Gasol is better than Bosh.

[DaSeba5]

Wade is not capable of being his pre-LeBron self. He's not 25 anymore.

The way bosh plays has little to do with LeBron. Miami doesn't have a legit center, so bosh can't really be an effective stretch 4 type. Look what having Robin Lopez did for Aldridge. Bosh could step it up too if he had a serviceable center.

I agree. Miami needs a legit center so Bosh doesn't have to play the 5. His best position is playing a stretch 4. Miami really needs to find a legit center somehow even though they've won 2 titles. Eventually it will finally cost them a series.

[Black and White]

Wade is not capable of being his pre-LeBron self. He's not 25 anymore.

The way bosh plays has little to do with LeBron. Miami doesn't have a legit center, so bosh can't really be an effective stretch 4 type. Look what having Robin Lopez did for Aldridge. Bosh could step it up too if he had a serviceable center.


Another hater posing as an "objective poster" revealing his true colors.

No, if anything this is good for LeBron, superstar players normally require other players to adjust to their style of play. Think Kobe, Jordan, Shaq, Duncan etc, if those players are added to a squad there is no question that players on that squad would have to adapt/take a step back to accomodate the player. The only exception to this IMO is Durant.

[Black and White]

I agree. Miami needs a legit center so Bosh doesn't have to play the 5. His best position is playing a stretch 4. Miami really needs to find a legit center somehow even though they've won 2 titles. Eventually it will finally cost them a series.

Bosh for Gortat?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I agree. Miami needs a legit center so Bosh doesn't have to play the 5. His best position is playing a stretch 4. Miami really needs to find a legit center somehow even though they've won 2 titles. Eventually it will finally cost them a series.

Rank Bosh as a Center compared to all of the other starting centers in the Eastern Conference

Thanks in advance

[edrick]

The Heat have been to the Finals 3 straight years without a real big man. That's pretty good.

[DaSeba5]

Rank Bosh as a Center compared to all of the other starting centers in the Eastern Conference

Thanks in advance

That's not saying much, but it hurts them against good teams like the Pacers. Teams are building themselves to beat Miami. The Wizards would also be giving them fits with their bigs. Then you got the Spurs as well if they make the Finals. It hasn't cost them a series yet, so this could be irrelevant, but it might eventually.

[NumberSix]

No, Bosh is good enough. That's why they will 3peat.

[DaSeba5]

Bosh for Gortat?

I don't want to lose Bosh. We just need an average center who rebound and defend well enough. He doesn't have to be good or great.

[ThePhantomCreep]

The Heat have been to the Finals 3 straight years without a real big man. That's pretty good.
Their second and third options were franchise players before colluding with LeBron. Three straight finals is bare minimum success with this roster.

[Black and White]

I don't want to lose Bosh. We just need an average center who rebound and defend well enough. He doesn't have to be good or great.

Fair enough, I guess Andersen was an attempt to fill that void?

[NumberSix]

I don't want to lose Bosh. We just need an average center who rebound and defend well enough. He doesn't have to be good or great.
Too bad Asik has a ridiculous contract next season.

[DaSeba5]

Fair enough, I guess Andersen was an attempt to fill that void?

He's the perfect back up center for Miami. They play well when they are on the floor together. But he's too old and can't play most of the game, so no.

[DaSeba5]

Too bad Asik has a ridiculous contract next season.

Asik would be the perfect player for Miami. They would be almost impossible to beat in a series. It's really their only huge weakness.

[Black and White]

He's the perfect back up center for Miami. They play well when they are on the floor together. But he's too old and can't play most of the game, so no.

Heat have to get Bosh and Wade to opt out and restructure their deals, they could get an extra 8mil or so out of it to go and get the player you need.

[DaSeba5]

Heat have to get Bosh and Wade to opt out and restructure their deals, they could get an extra 8mil or so out of it to go and get the player you need.

That's the plan. I feel Bosh would accept that, but I'm not sure about Wade. I would hate to lose my favorite player who has been part of the team his whole career, but it's also a business so...

But even though they've won 2 titles without a legit center, I still think it will eventually catch up with them.

[Black and White]

That's the plan. I feel Bosh would accept that, but I'm not sure about Wade. I would hate to lose my favorite player who has been part of the team his whole career, but it's also a business so...

But even though they've won 2 titles without a legit center, I still think it will eventually catch up with them.

Yea, the Wizards are coming up, Pacers are here now, Bulls, Bobcats etc, they all have players that can wreck havoc in the paint, hopefully one of them sees this.

[DaSeba5]

Yea, the Wizards are coming up, Pacers are here now, Bulls, Bobcats etc, they all have players that can wreck havoc in the paint, hopefully one of them sees this.

Hopefully it's not this year. Looking back on it, those teams never had good enough offenses to beat Miami. Chicago has good bigs, but always a bad offense. Even with Rose, Miami just shut Rose down and they were done in 5 games. Same with Indiana. They gave Miami a great series twice, but ultimately lost. The Bobcats the same... their offense was too bad to give Miami a series. The Wizards might have beaten Miami, but I highly doubt it. The team out there is the Spurs. They are the only team with good bigs that almost beat Miami in a series. Dallas didn't really beat Miami because their bigs beat them. LeBron choked and they forced Miami into jump shots.

[INDI]

Gasol is better than Bosh.

Bosh was a 4x nba allstar and made an all nba team, and averaged 24 and 11 before going to the heat.

Gasol was a 1x nba allstar and did not make any all nba teams averaging 21 and 10 before going to the lakers.

Another funny thing about the whole lebron makes teammates better and Kobe makes em worse argument is this

Gasol has made 2 all nba teams since joining with Kobe and his production has been around 19 and 10. Playing with Kobe had people calling pau the best PF in the league

Bosh has not made an all nba team and his production has declined in points and rebounds every year for the heat. Playing with Lebron has people thinking that bosh is primarily a spot up shooter to spread the floor for bron, forgetting the beast he once was


Food for thought

[TheCorporation]

enough for lebron? former near perennial 20/10 bosh is in his prime right now and playing 3rd fiddle for lebron yet heat fans want more? Please tell me again how Kobe is a cancer to his team while lebron makes his teammates better

Why do idiots keep saying 20/10 Bosh? He clearly is NOT a 20/10 guy anymore. Have you seen his stats the last 3 years? I will post them for you so you can understand what I am saying...

18-8
17-7
16-7

So, please tell me how these = 20/10? Stay in school. Oh, you want to compare PLAYOFF stats? Sure, let's do that.

Gasol vs Bosh playoff stats:

*ether pending*

Gasol:

2008: 17-9-4 on 53% 2 blocks
2009: 18-11-3 on 58% 2 blocks
2010: 20-11-4 on 54% 2 blocks

Bosh:

2011 14-8-1 on 49% w/ 1.0 blocks
2012: 12-7-2 on 46% w/ 1.6 blocks
2013: 15-6-1 on 51% w/ 1.6 blocks

Bosh literally did nothing better every single year-by-year comparison...He didn't score more, wasn't more efficient, he didn't assist more, he didn't rebound more, and he didn't block more.

Ether hath been served.

[riseagainst]

Bosh was a 4x nba allstar and made an all nba team, and averaged 24 and 11 before going to the heat.

Gasol was a 1x nba allstar and did not make any all nba teams averaging 21 and 10 before going to the lakers.

Another funny thing about the whole lebron makes teammates better and Kobe makes em worse argument is this

Gasol has made 2 all nba teams since joining with Kobe and his production has been around 19 and 10.

Bosh has not made an all nba team and his production has declined in points and rebounds every year with lebron


Food for thought

wow... looks like lebron got exposed in the "making teammates better department." I've always known this for years and been saying it for a while, but some people are just too naive to see it objectively or agree with it.

:applause:

[INDI]

Why do idiots keep saying 20/10 Bosh? He clearly is NOT a 20/10 guy anymore. Have you seen his stats the last 3 years? I will post them for you so you can understand what I am saying...

18-8
17-7
16-7

So, please tell me how these = 20/10? Stay in school. Oh, you want to compare PLAYOFF stats? Sure, let's do that.

Gasol vs Bosh playoff stats:

*ether pending*

Gasol:

2008: 17-9-4 on 53% 2 blocks
2009: 18-11-3 on 58% 2 blocks
2010: 20-11-4 on 54% 2 blocks

Bosh:

2011 14-8-1 on 49% w/ 1.0 blocks
2012: 12-7-2 on 46% w/ 1.6 blocks
2013: 15-6-1 on 51% w/ 1.6 blocks

Bosh literally did nothing better every single year-by-year comparison...He didn't score more, wasn't more efficient, he didn't assist more, he didn't rebound more, and he didn't block more.

Ether hath been served.

Read the post that I added right above yours and you will see why your argument is light in the weight department

[TheCorporation]

wow... looks like lebron got exposed in the "making teammates better department." I've always known this for years and been saying it for a while, but some people are just too naive to see it objectively or agree with it.

:applause:

You trolls make this too easy..

And despite the fact that LeBron makes all of his teammates worse they still win? How great is LeBron? How great is our god? :bowdown:

LBJ makes his teammates WORSE, and still somehow makes it to 3 NBA Finals, winning two of them. LBJ is so good he can make his teammates worse and still win. Again, how great is our lord and savior, thee LordBron Jame? :bowdown:

[TheCorporation]

Read the post that I added right above yours and you will see why your argument is light in the weight department

You trolls make this too easy..

And despite the fact that LeBron makes all of his teammates worse they still win? How great is LeBron? How great is our god? :bowdown:

LBJ makes his teammates WORSE, and still somehow makes it to 3 NBA Finals, winning two of them. LBJ is so good he can make his teammates worse and still win. Again, how great is our lord and savior, thee LordBron Jame? :bowdown: :bowdown:

[IGOTGAME]

Rank Bosh as a Center compared to all of the other starting centers in the Eastern Conference

Thanks in advance

Best center in the east. In any other system he is 22+/10/3 on great percentages

[INDI]

You trolls make this too easy..

And despite the fact that LeBron makes all of his teammates worse they still win? How great is LeBron? How great is our god? :bowdown:

LBJ makes his teammates WORSE, and still somehow makes it to 3 NBA Finals, winning two of them. LBJ is so good he can make his teammates worse and still win. Again, how great is our lord and savior, thee LordBron Jame? :bowdown: :bowdown:

When you have 3 guys that has averaged anywhere from 24-30 ppg decide to team up and then add in some of the best shooters in the league, that shouldn't be a hard thing to fathom. The argument is not about the heat, it's about star players having to become role players to make it work.

Say what you want about Kobe but when he plays with a star player they remain a star player or they become superstars. When players play with Bron they have to accept an assignment to be less than they was prior to playing with him

[Droid101]

For starters, Bosh knew what he signed up for. He could have easily stayed in Toronto and remained the player you want him to be. Wade also had to accept that he would be the 2nd option in order for them to win a title. The first year they struggled to fit and they lost. Then they accepted it and won 2 titles. So.... :confusedshrug:
Why did bran sabotage Wade's 2nd Finals MVP, then?

[J Shuttlesworth]

When you have 3 guys that has averaged anywhere from 24-30 ppg decide to team up and then add in some of the best shooters in the league, that shouldn't be a hard thing to fathom. The argument is not about the heat, it's about star players having to become role players to make it work.

Say what you want about Kobe but when he plays with a star player they remain a star player or they become superstars. When players play with Bron they have to accept an assignment to be less than they was prior to playing with him
How can you say he's making them worse though? Obviously, 3 guys who used to take 20+ shots a game can't take as many shots as they're used to when they're all on the same team. You can't expect Bosh to average 24 ppg as a 3rd option. How has he made them worse? How is it possible that Wade/Bosh are shooting their career high's in FG% the last two seasons?

[Smoke117]

Your entire thread is ****ing stupid, you ****ing fool. Lebron has already two peated, so what the **** does what you are saying have to do with anything? Seriously you ****ing Kobe fans needs to shut the **** and get over the fact that his career is basically over. Move on...

[INDI]

How can you say he's making them worse though? Obviously, 3 guys who used to take 20+ shots a game can't take as many shots as they're used to when they're all on the same team. You can't expect Bosh to average 24 ppg as a 3rd option. How has he made them worse? How is it possible that Wade/Bosh are shooting their career high's in FG% the last two seasons?

I didnt say he mkes them worse I said that they must become less than they were. Meaning I still believe that the same playing ability they had before is still there but they must form their game to fit his. In bosh case he basically is a glorified role player.

My main argument was in the comparison to kobe and the myth that no one wants to play with him cause hes a ballhog, when truth be told majority of players had their best seasons when they played with him. I am just stating my case for kobe being a better fit for stars to play along than lebron, not trying to knock bron

odom, gasol, shaq, bynum etc... all benefited from kobe and dont look as hot when hes not suited up next to them anymore

[riseagainst]

When you have 3 guys that has averaged anywhere from 24-30 ppg decide to team up and then add in some of the best shooters in the league, that shouldn't be a hard thing to fathom. The argument is not about the heat, it's about star players having to become role players to make it work.

Say what you want about Kobe but when he plays with a star player they remain a star player or they become superstars. When players play with Bron they have to accept an assignment to be less than they was prior to playing with him


:bowdown: :bowdown:

/ether

[Droid101]

Bosh was a 4x nba allstar and made an all nba team, and averaged 24 and 11 before going to the heat.

Gasol was a 1x nba allstar and did not make any all nba teams averaging 21 and 10 before going to the lakers.

Another funny thing about the whole lebron makes teammates better and Kobe makes em worse argument is this

Gasol has made 2 all nba teams since joining with Kobe and his production has been around 19 and 10. Playing with Kobe had people calling pau the best PF in the league

Bosh has not made an all nba team and his production has declined in points and rebounds every year for the heat. Playing with Lebron has people thinking that bosh is primarily a spot up shooter to spread the floor for bron, forgetting the beast he once was


Food for thought
That's straight murder for bran stans.

Don't expect them to respond to this.

[Quickening]

3 finals in 3 years, 2 championships, on for the 3peat, enough said

[Dizzle-2k7]

Bosh was a 4x nba allstar and made an all nba team, and averaged 24 and 11 before going to the heat.

Gasol was a 1x nba allstar and did not make any all nba teams averaging 21 and 10 before going to the lakers.

Another funny thing about the whole lebron makes teammates better and Kobe makes em worse argument is this

Gasol has made 2 all nba teams since joining with Kobe and his production has been around 19 and 10. Playing with Kobe had people calling pau the best PF in the league

Bosh has not made an all nba team and his production has declined in points and rebounds every year for the heat. Playing with Lebron has people thinking that bosh is primarily a spot up shooter to spread the floor for bron, forgetting the beast he once was


Food for thought


das it mane :applause:

[T_L_P]

Whilst I agree that people overrate LeBron's intangibles (he's know better than Kobe at making teammates better), Kobe stans are gladly skipping over one thing: Phil Jackson.

All this shit about Pau getting better because of Kobe. Yeah, it wasn't at all because he got the play for the greatest coach ever. :rolleyes:

[pauk]

Well, one guy was a 20-10 guy with better defense in his prime while the other wasnt.... and last time i looked, think lebron 2peated fairly well with bosh anyways and 3rd one aint over...

[DFish24]

Bosh was a 4x nba allstar and made an all nba team, and averaged 24 and 11 before going to the heat.

Gasol was a 1x nba allstar and did not make any all nba teams averaging 21 and 10 before going to the lakers.

Another funny thing about the whole lebron makes teammates better and Kobe makes em worse argument is this

Gasol has made 2 all nba teams since joining with Kobe and his production has been around 19 and 10. Playing with Kobe had people calling pau the best PF in the league

Bosh has not made an all nba team and his production has declined in points and rebounds every year for the heat. Playing with Lebron has people thinking that bosh is primarily a spot up shooter to spread the floor for bron, forgetting the beast he once was


Food for thought

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[DaSeba5]

Why did bran sabotage Wade's 2nd Finals MVP, then?

Because he choked. :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

LeBron being a great team-mate/fitting into a team easily is fabricated bullshit, Wade and Bosh both had to take massive steps back to make this work, Bosh is basically a spot up shooter now.
ˇ
:applause:


Chris Bosh is easily as good as prime Pau Gasol was, both are perennial 20/10 guys in their primes, finesse players, not rim protectors, decent jump shooters with good touch inside. Only difference is that Bosh is a 3rd option while Pau was 2nd. Kobe didn't need a Dwyane Wade to go to 3 straight Finals and win 2 rings. He did it with Pau, Odom(past prime Odom), Fisher(old ass D-Fish, who could barely make layups, but showed up in the clutch) and a bunch of role players.

Kobe's 3rd option was Lamar Odom, who was basically a poor man's Chris Bosh in 09 and Ron Artest was the 3rd option in 2010, who shot like garbage for the majority of the regular season and the Playoffs (41% FG regular season, 40% in the Playoffs in 2010 :facepalm), people love to bring up Bynum, but disregard the fact that he was often injured and played on limited minutes.

[bdreason]

Bosh is the 2nd option.

[VIntageNOvel]

Whilst I agree that people overrate LeBron's intangibles (he's know better than Kobe at making teammates better), Kobe stans are gladly skipping over one thing: Phil Jackson.

All this shit about Pau getting better because of Kobe. Yeah, it wasn't at all because he got the play for the greatest coach ever. :rolleyes:

you mean just like kahwi and countless scrub under pop ? :confusedshrug:

[T_L_P]

you mean just like kahwi and countless scrub under pop ? :confusedshrug:

Exactly! Difference is most Spurs/Duncan/Parker fans will gladly admit how influential Pop has been.

Kobe stans throw everyone else under the bus.

[Jameerthefear]

i legit wouldn't be surprised if all kobe stans had autism.

[knicksman]

LeBron being a great team-mate/fitting into a team easily is fabricated bullshit, Wade and Bosh both had to take massive steps back to make this work, Bosh is basically a spot up shooter now.

lebron is just another oscar/iverson. They averaged lots of assists but are actually considered cancers by their teammates. And it reflects in their +/-. Bron with stars =+2.8 while kobe =+10.

[navy]

Are we going to act like the Heat havent been to three straight finals?

[navy]

Bosh is the 2nd option.
He's not. He's third and rightfully so. He can barely create for himself and is given open jumpers to take every game. He just has to knock them down.


All of this is irrelevant to what Bosh is being criticized for. It's his defense and rebounding. Which isnt about Lebron, it's about Miami's lack of a center and Bosh's softness. He cant do 20/10 anymore. That's ridiculous. 25/8 if he is the first option and play heavy minutes. A first round exit as well.

[Calabis]

Kobe had the best front court in basketball please quit acting like he carried a group of scrubs. Also Kobe in no way was being asked to do everything LeBron is being asked to do.

[pmj]

Gasol can get his own and doesn't need anyone to do anything from him (which is a good thing playing with Kobe). Gasol would be much better for the Heat as he currently is than Bosh's overrated jump shooting. The Heat get no easy points off rebounds and put backs like Gasol and Bynum gave Kobe.

Everyone has recognized that the big 3 never complimented each other well and this should not be a surprise to anyone.

[raprap]

Terrible thread. People need to realize that miami's system rely on ball movement and cuts. Notice that they dont post bosh anymore? He is basically a spot up shooter and a decoy now. Put bosh on that lakers team in the place of gasol and I guarantee you he will put similar numbers of that of gasol. To make it easier for you kobe nut huggers, lakers = triangle (relies on high post play, low post and player movement) heat = spread out ball movement and hard cuts). The system will dictate the stats of the players, not a superstar.

[red1]

bosh played like dirt though. what a retarded time to make this thread

[tmacattack33]

enough for lebron? former near perennial 20/10 bosh is in his prime right now and playing 3rd fiddle for lebron yet heat fans want more? Please tell me again how Kobe is a cancer to his team while lebron makes his teammates better

:biggums:

I'm not sure about this, but I believe Lebron and Bosh already 2 peated.

[ralph_i_el]

LeBron being a great team-mate/fitting into a team easily is fabricated bullshit, Wade and Bosh both had to take massive steps back to make this work, Bosh is basically a spot up shooter now.

that's what happens when you're the 3rd option :facepalm
It's not Lebron freezing anyone out. It's those guys transitioning from having entire offenses built around them to being complementary pieces for a better player.


If you run an offense through Chris Bosh, he's still putting up 20+ points on good efficiency. When you're not the best offensive player on your team you have to play in your role. I don't believe that anyone doesn't already know this. You must all be trolling and I fell for it

[raprap]

that's what happens when you're the 3rd option :facepalm
It's not Lebron freezing anyone out. It's those guys transitioning from having entire offenses built around them to being complementary pieces for a better player.


If you run an offense through Chris Bosh, he's still putting up 20+ points on good efficiency. When you're not the best offensive player on your team you have to play in your role. I don't believe that anyone doesn't already know this. You must all be trolling and I fell for it
:applause:

black and white is cool though. I dont think hes trolling either.

[rule1223]

:biggums:

I'm not sure about this, but I believe Lebron and Bosh already 2 peated.
yes i know the heat have 2peated asterisks, but the topic is why are fans complaining that lebron doesnt have enough help, when kobe was able to win with his second option being less talented than lebrons third option

[red1]

yes i know the heat have 2peated asterisks, but the topic is why are fans complaining that lebron doesnt have enough help, when kobe was able to win with his second option being less talented than lebrons third option
Its called team basketball son. This heat team doesnt have a center and they are going up against a team with bigs who can exploit that.

[All Net]

yes i know the heat have 2peated asterisks, but the topic is why are fans complaining that lebron doesnt have enough help, when kobe was able to win with his second option being less talented than lebrons third option
Prime Pau was Alot better than current Bosh. Well the way Bosh is forced to play at least.

Miami right now have star names, not star production.

Bosh is letting the team down.

[rule1223]

Its called team basketball son. This heat team doesnt have a center and they are going up against a team with bigs who can exploit that.
kobe was playing with fisher as his pg against guys like rondo, nash, westbrook and parker...

[red1]

kobe was playing with fisher as his pg against guys like rondo, nash, westbrook and parker...
He also had the best frontcourt in the league and arguably the best coaching as well. Fisher was a garbage defender at that point but point guards can be contained by your team's bigs. Especially by a frontcourt with the length that odom and gasol brought to the table. Not to mention that fisher was the perfect complementary piece on offense, a deadly spot-up shooter who let kobe do his thing and didnt need the ball in his hands.


Once again, it's a team sport son.

[tpols]

LeBron being a great team-mate/fitting into a team easily is fabricated bullshit, Wade and Bosh both had to take massive steps back to make this work, Bosh is basically a spot up shooter now.

dat short and sweet ether

[Mr.Kite]

Its called team basketball son. This heat team doesnt have a center and they are going up against a team with bigs who can exploit that.
So LeBron needs more help

[rule1223]

He also had the best frontcourt in the league and arguably the best coaching as well. Fisher was a garbage defender at that point but point guards can be contained by your team's bigs. Especially by a frontcourt with the length that odom and gasol brought to the table. Not to mention that fisher was the perfect complementary piece on offense, a deadly spot-up shooter who let kobe do his thing and didnt need the ball in his hands.


Once again, it's a team sport son.
look at the front courts today blazers have aldridge, rolo, batum, clippers have jordan and griffin, grizzlies have z-bo and gasol, considerably better than kobes frontcourt, yet no one talks about them having a stack frontcourt... the lakers frontcourt was considered the best because kobe made them better (tell me what theyre doing now again?) and thats the point of the topic, why can kobe do so much with so little while lebron is struggling with the amount of talent he has

[red1]

So LeBron needs more help
Where does it say that? It's all about matchups and this pacers team isnt a favorable one. That said it's only been one game so this is just typical ISH overreaction

[red1]

look at the front courts today blazers have aldridge, rolo, batum, clippers have jordan and griffin, grizzlies have z-bo and gasol, considerably better than kobes frontcourt, yet no one talks about them having a stack frontcourt... the lakers frontcourt was considered the best because kobe made them better (tell me what theyre doing now again?) and thats the point of the topic, why can kobe do so much with so little while lebron is struggling with the amount of talent he has
oh so you're a chuckbe fanboy. carry on then

[red1]

chuckbe is a baller I wont lie


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[tpols]

look at the front courts today blazers have aldridge, rolo, batum, clippers have jordan and griffin, grizzlies have z-bo and gasol, considerably better than kobes frontcourt, yet no one talks about them having a stack frontcourt... the lakers frontcourt was considered the best because kobe made them better (tell me what theyre doing now again?) and thats the point of the topic, why can kobe do so much with so little while lebron is struggling with the amount of talent he has

yup..Zbo/marc and jordan/griffin are just as good combos as pau/odom. Cant even imagine griffins efficiency grabbing all the bricks Kobe was chuckin up. He might shoot 70%.