Stop saying Bosh would average 25 and 12 on his own team!

[JT123]

Like Wade, Bosh is declining and could never come close to those averages again! Idiots on this board seem to think that every player exits their prime in their mid 30's, but that is not true. Some players just decline at an early age, and Bosh is one of them. Anyone who has actually spent time watching Bosh this year knows what I'm saying is fact. Wade missed about 30 games this year, giving Bosh plenty of opportunities to step up his scoring game, but Bosh never did. There were way too many nights this year when the Heat needed Bosh to step up and he would just go into ghost mode. He shouldn't have even been an All Star this year! Big Al was straight up robbed. :facepalm

[CeilingFan#1]

Yeah, no way he'd still average 25/12. He'd probably be down to 23/10.5 by now.

[Im so nba'd out]

dont let it get to you they just say it to get a reaction.We all know he is not the same player :cheers:

[Warfan]

Maybe 21-22/9 or something. His soft ass aint grabbing 10 boards.

He's too passive even when wade is out, seems to have become more of a habit because of the role he has had in Miami aswell.

[CeilingFan#1]

His soft ass aint grabbing 10 boards.


And how do you know that info? :biggums:

[JT123]

Maybe 21-22/9 or something. His soft ass aint grabbing 10 boards.

He's too passive even when wade is out, seems to have become more of a habit because of the role he has had in Miami aswell.
I honestly can't see him averaging more than 16/7 on his own team at this point. People who claim his rebounding would go up due to Bron "not stealing rebounds" are morons. The Heat have been dead last in the league in rebounding for 3 years in a row, meaning that even if Lebron is stealing 1 or 2 boards from Bosh every night, there are still PLENTY of other rebounds to be had! :no:

[JT123]

And how do you know that info? :biggums:
Maybe because we actually watch him play instead of just looking at his stats from 4 years ago. :coleman:

[AnaheimLakers24]

bran should make him better

[CeilingFan#1]

Maybe because we actually watch him play instead of just looking at his stats from 4 years ago. :coleman:

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[Poetry]

It's not that he's declined much, it's that he's being utilized in a completely different way.

In 2009-10, during his 24/(11) season, Bosh shot 22 three-pointers. 22 total.

In 2013-14, he shot 218. He went from shooting 22 to 218.

In 2009-10, Bosh averaged 8.4 free throw attempts.

In 2013-14, Bosh averaged 3.4 free throw attempts.

Mind you, this is a guy who shot .820 from the line.

Someone completely altered Bosh's game. I don't know if it was Spo or 'Bron, but someone is to blame for turning him into what he is today.

[Warfan]

honestly can't see him averaging more than 16/7 on his own team at this point. People who claim his rebounding would go up due to Bron "not stealing rebounds" are morons. The Heat have been dead last in the league in rebounding for 3 years in a row, meaning that even if Lebron is stealing 1 or 2 boards from Bosh every night, there are still PLENTY of other rebounds to be had!


This year he avg 16/7 playing 32 mins being the 3rd option for most of the season. He would play more minutes, get more touches and wouldn't play as far away from the basket on both ends which would help him grab more boards (albeit not too many more). There is no way he averages the same stats he did this year playing an extra 6/7 mins while being the first option.



And how do you know that info? :biggums:
:lol

[Combat Wombat]

I honestly can't see him averaging more than 16/7 on his own team at this point. People who claim his rebounding would go up due to Bron "not stealing rebounds" are morons. The Heat have been dead last in the league in rebounding for 3 years in a row, meaning that even if Lebron is stealing 1 or 2 boards from Bosh every night, there are still PLENTY of other rebounds to be had! :no:

I'm surprised you can see anything with Lebron's jizz in your eyes.

[JT123]

This year he avg 16/7 playing 32 mins being the 3rd option for most of the season. He would play more minutes, get more touches and wouldn't play as far away from the basket on both ends which would help him grab more boards (albeit not too many more). There is no way he averages the same stats he did this year playing an extra 6/7 mins while being the first option.

At this stage of Bosh's career the only way he can score is by wide open jumpers, which he relies on other players to create for him. I've noticed that when he's in the game without Lebron or Wade he hardly ever shoots the ball, probably because he is aware that he can no longer create offense for himself. :confusedshrug:

[CarlosBoozer]

I think it's possible, depends which team he would be joining.

[CeilingFan#1]

It's not that he's declined much, it's that he's being utilized in a completely different way.

In 2009-10, during his 24/(11) season, Bosh shot 22 three-pointers. 22 total.

In 2013-14, he shot 218. He went from shooting 22 to 218.

In 2009-10, Bosh averaged 8.4 free throw attempts.

In 2013-14, Bosh averaged 3.4 free throw attempts.

Mind you, this is a guy who shot .820 from the line.

Someone completely altered Bosh's game. I don't know if it was Spo or 'Bron, but someone is to blame for turning him into what he is today.

He's obviously a big Rasheed fan.

[Jameerthefear]

Bosh right now would average 18/8 on his own team. He isn't a 20/10 player.

[Warfan]

At this stage of Bosh's career the only way he can score is by wide open jumpers, which he relies on other players to create for him. I've noticed that when he's in the game without Lebron or Wade he hardly ever shoots the ball, probably because he is aware that he can no longer create offense for himself. :confusedshrug:

Spo's/Heats system is slowly turning him into a 3 and D guy that is used to space the floor. We've seen games where bron is out and he has great games, even twice this year against Portland and Chicago. If he had his own team the he would be focal point of the offense, not the 3rd or even 4th option like he is on Miami now. He's not taking 11/12 shots if he had his own team, and he would get to the line more instead of taking 3's and 15/20+ footers like he constantly does now. His talent and ability certainly isn't on full display in Miami.

[AintNoSunshine]

Are you trying to reason with/convince agenda driven haters?

[mugiwara]

Bosh would average 25 & 12 playing for Philly last year.

[sd3035]

Bran just can't make his teammates better, but still get's bailed out by the most stacked team of all time in spite of his shortcomings

[Flash31]

Bosh WOULD avg at least 25,9 on his OWN team.

It's like these LeBron stans and Heat Haters forget Bosh is playing as the 3rd option sometimes 4th avg near a career low in min and fga and the team does not cater to him.
He's being used in a whole different role than what he was as the man.He's been shooting more jumpers,more from midrange,more from 3 and way less in the post than ever before.

We saw before when the Heat were just Big Two with Bosh when LJ or Wade were not playing and him solo----he put up 25,9

We all saw his games as the solo star against SA.We saw what he put up against Por.

Right now,Bosh as 3rd option is at 16,7 and limited opportunities,min
If Bosh was the MAN,he would put up at least 25,9.Now it wouldn't be at 54% fg and hed be playing more min,but he could do it.

There's been lots of Heat games where Bosh doesnt't even get 10 fga and with the other two stars and his role his rbs pg and fta pg have decreased bc of it.

If any star was only getting 10 fga sometimes less and being used way differently and seldom got plays called with career min low and fga,they wouldn't seem like a big star either.

If Bosh avg his career fga from Tor in Miami or just 3 more fga than now
he'd avg 20,6-7.

[ralph_i_el]

depends on the team. A 6'11" player who can shoot out to 3 and is perhaps the most accurate midrange spot up shooter in the league is putting up over 20 points per 36 minutes. Especially if they are as smooth and agile an athlete as Bosh. Idk about the rebounds, but he was soft in Toronto when he was pulling down 12 per game :confusedshrug:

if bosh got a few more elbow and low post opportunities he'd be over 20ppg

[KyrieTheFuture]

Chris Bosh was a statpadder in Toronto but he was still better than KLove

[ThePhantomCreep]

I honestly can't see him averaging more than 16/7 on his own team at this point. People who claim his rebounding would go up due to Bron "not stealing rebounds" are morons. The Heat have been dead last in the league in rebounding for 3 years in a row, meaning that even if Lebron is stealing 1 or 2 boards from Bosh every night, there are still PLENTY of other rebounds to be had! :no:

Sure thing, homer. Dude was basically a 22/10 player in Toronto, and still only 30. He could average 22/10 in his sleep as the #1.

[PJR]

Sure thing, homer. Dude was basically a 22/10 player in Toronto, and still only 30. He could average 22/10 in his sleep as the #1.

And do what? Win 34 games?

[Basketbolero]

And do what? Win 34 games?
Good for 8th place in the East :lol

[Marlo_Stanfield]

its his own fault, he gets plenty of opportunities each game and when hes close to the basket he rarely attacks it even with slow guys like hibbert on him.when he has the ball at the three point line he rather chucks up a semi contested shot than to make the extra pass to open guys.
i like the guy for his clutchness and he seems to be a cool dude but hes overrated as a player. i would take Ibaka over this guy any day:confusedshrug:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Bosh WOULD avg at least 25,9 on his OWN team.

It's like these LeBron stans and Heat Haters forget Bosh is playing as the 3rd option sometimes 4th avg near a career low in min and fga and the team does not cater to him.
He's being used in a whole different role than what he was as the man.He's been shooting more jumpers,more from midrange,more from 3 and way less in the post than ever before.

We saw before when the Heat were just Big Two with Bosh when LJ or Wade were not playing and him solo----he put up 25,9

We all saw his games as the solo star against SA.We saw what he put up against Por.

Right now,Bosh as 3rd option is at 16,7 and limited opportunities,min
If Bosh was the MAN,he would put up at least 25,9.Now it wouldn't be at 54% fg and hed be playing more min,but he could do it.

There's been lots of Heat games where Bosh doesnt't even get 10 fga and with the other two stars and his role his rbs pg and fta pg have decreased bc of it.

If any star was only getting 10 fga sometimes less and being used way differently and seldom got plays called with career min low and fga,they wouldn't seem like a big star either.

If Bosh avg his career fga from Tor in Miami or just 3 more fga than now
he'd avg 20,6-7.
stfu retarded Wade stan no one wants to read your crap:coleman:

[Demitri98]

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[ThePhantomCreep]

And do what? Win 34 games?

Didn't he win 47 games with guys like Jose Calderon, Anthony Parker, and TJ Ford? With decent talent, he could easily be the centerpiece of a 47-50 win team in the East. LeBron Ball wrecked his game, face it.

[PJR]

Didn't he win 47 games with guys like Jose Calderon, Anthony Parker, and TJ Ford? With decent talent, he could easily be the centerpiece of a 47-50 win team in the East. LeBron Ball wrecked his game, face it.

Ya, that was when he was 22 years old, and much more athletic, with a quicker first step.

That was always one of two times he made the playoffs in 7 seasons with The Raptors.

This year Raptors team won as many playoff games as Bosh did in 7 years.

[Doranku]

Ya, that was when he was 22 years old, and much more athletic, with a quicker first step.

That was always one of two times he made the playoffs in 7 seasons with The Raptors.

This year Raptors team won as many playoff games as Bosh did in 7 years.

"Heat" fans talking down their own player. :roll:

[Dizzle-2k7]

bosh is a great player, all star, and easily a 24/10 on his own team..

dude NEVER gets plays called for him on the heat.. hes basically a 20 million dollar decoy thanks to Lebron-ball

[riseagainst]

It's not that he's declined much, it's that he's being utilized in a completely different way.

In 2009-10, during his 24/(11) season, Bosh shot 22 three-pointers. 22 total.

In 2013-14, he shot 218. He went from shooting 22 to 218.

In 2009-10, Bosh averaged 8.4 free throw attempts.

In 2013-14, Bosh averaged 3.4 free throw attempts.

Mind you, this is a guy who shot .820 from the line.

Someone completely altered Bosh's game. I don't know if it was Spo or 'Bron, but someone is to blame for turning him into what he is today.


:applause:

[PJR]

For 19 million (a near third of the salary cap) I expect more than 13/7 on 45%(Bosh's averages the last two post seasons).

Bottom line is, history shows the more physical the teams, the more Bosh wilts. He's got to step up. It's all on him.

[Fudge]

Why is Illuminati complaining? We have the best trio in NBA history, along with the BEST 3rd option you can ever ask for.

:coleman:

We OUTCHEA. #3PEAT

[ThePhantomCreep]

Ya, that was when he was 22 years old, and much more athletic, with a quicker first step.

That was always one of two times he made the playoffs in 7 seasons with The Raptors.

This year Raptors team won as many playoff games as Bosh did in 7 years.

With a significantly better overall team. Bosh is 30, not 40, which makes the "natural decline" arguments from the LeBron fans dubious at best.

[ThePhantomCreep]

bosh is a great player, all star, and easily a 24/10 on his own team..

dude NEVER gets plays called for him on the heat.. hes basically a 20 million dollar decoy thanks to Lebron-ball
So much this.

[Bigsmoke]

bosh is a great player, all star, and easily a 24/10 on his own team..

dude NEVER gets plays called for him on the heat.. hes basically a 20 million dollar decoy thanks to Lebron-ball

He averaged 24/10 once in his career and you're 100% sure he can average that yearly.

It's called a contact year.

[Bigsmoke]

With a significantly better overall team. Bosh is 30, not 40, which makes the "natural decline" arguments from the LeBron fans dubious at best.

Bosh from 3 years ago > Bosh now.

How do you guys watch basketball and not see this shit right in front of you? He is declining.

[PJR]

Bosh from 3 years ago > Bosh now.

How do you guys watch basketball and not see this shit right in front of you? He is declining.

It's just the typical shtick from the idiot Kobe/Laker stans (who for whatever hate LeBron and the Heat) on ISH. They don't even believe their own drivel.

Yeah, it's LeBron holding back Bosh from making an impact against the Pacers. Morons lol.

[DMAVS41]

Meh...

Give Bosh his own team as the first option and let him play 36 to 38 minutes and he's going to give you something around 24/10/3.

Aldridge averaged 23/11/3 playing 36 minutes and taking 21 shots a game. He shot 51% TS.

Does anyone actually believe Bosh couldn't do that and more? 51% TS?????

As most already know, I don't even like Bosh...and he's a bum when it comes to the Pacers...but he's also not being used at all on offense like he would be.

[jzek]

Agree.

More like 20 and 10

[PJR]

but he's also not being used at all on offense like he would be.

And I my response to this is...who cares?

The way he would ideally like to play (get more isolations), does not translate to wins or better production for the team.

Bosh at the PEAK of his abilities was a face you up, and either stick the 18 footer, or blow by you(this is how he use to get to the free line a lot).

He can't blow by guys like that anymore. That's why he doesn't do it anymore.

The way Bosh use to manufacture his offense was very similar to that of Amare Stoudemire (Amare was a much better finisher in pick n roll though, MUCH better).

But once you lose your quickness, you become a one tricky pony.

Fortunately for Bosh, he's still really good at that one trick (18 foot jump shot), and has extended his range in his time with the Heat. But he's still a one trick pony nonetheless. And a very expensive one at that.

[Legends66NBA7]

Yeah even if he did average that as the best player, his team would be pretty mediocre at best. The year he averaged 24/10, Bosh's team ranked last in the NBA in defense. It was prime Bosh's worst individual year defensively. Some of the context of those high scoring games came against some weak competition too.

So honestly, what good is he worth as the 1st option ?

[Rake2204]

It is quite tough to imagine what Chris Bosh would do on his own team these days. I believe his demise has been greatly exaggerated.

I feel Miami, both the coaching staff and its players, realized very early on that combining three primed superstars (or near prime) onto one team was not going to be like an episode of Captain Planet where everyone's powers are equally functional, utilized, and effective. That is, it was never going to be as simple as a 27 and 8 guy, a 27 and 5 guy, and a 24 and 11 guy coming together and averaging 78 and 24.

Instead, I think there was a Dream Team effect that set in. Someone's statistical output had to give. On the Dream Team, everyone's gives, because the roster is made up of 12 superstars. On the Heat, I think some had to forfeit a small bit of statistical production while others had to give much more. In Bosh's case, with the likes of Wade and James on the perimeter & slashing all about, I think it made sense that he'd be the guy who'd likely have to give up the most, in terms of post touches and whatnot.

It looks like Bosh was coerced into making the biggest sacrifice. It looks like Miami wanted to establish a system and they knew Bosh was not going to be massive enough to establish himself as a worthy monster threat in the post in comparison to James and Wade's skills elsewhere. So instead of trying to force Bosh in his position, they took him and melding him into the system, at the risk of forfeiting his gaudy numbers.

[PJR]

Yeah even if he did average that as the best player, his team would be pretty mediocre at best. The year he averaged 24/10, Bosh's team ranked last in the NBA in defense. It was prime Bosh's worst individual year defensively. Some of the context of those high scoring games came against some weak competition too.

So honestly, what good is he worth as the 1st option ?

Precisely.

And you give any talented player a high enough usage, and he can do numbers. Big whoop?

Toni Kukoc did 18/7 after Pippen and Jordan left. The Bulls sucked ass.

Numbers don't always translate to wins.

Bosh isn't much of a passer, so he never really got other guys easy shots. And never had much of a post up game, so he doesn't distort defenses down low typically like a big man does. Those are skill sets that generally make a positive impact on a team from his respective position (playmaking, and post play). He was never that great at either of those. And that's why he never did much as a Raptor. His teams hardly ever overachieved.

On the Heat, Bosh is in the exact role that you'd like to have him, if your goal is competing for a title. Third banana to two superior players in terms of impact.

[r0drig0lac]

It's not that he's declined much, it's that he's being utilized in a completely different way.

In 2009-10, during his 24/(11) season, Bosh shot 22 three-pointers. 22 total.

In 2013-14, he shot 218. He went from shooting 22 to 218.

In 2009-10, Bosh averaged 8.4 free throw attempts.

In 2013-14, Bosh averaged 3.4 free throw attempts.

Mind you, this is a guy who shot .820 from the line.

Someone completely altered Bosh's game. I don't know if it was Spo or 'Bron, but someone is to blame for turning him into what he is today.
in short: yes, it would probably put these numbers as a first option

[knicksman]

lebron cant make teammates better and even he admitted it thats why he formed the superteam. As magic have said "Why only one being happy when it could be 2." Thats why he chose to be a pure pg rather than an all around player like bran because the happier your teammates, the higher the chances of winning. Its also the secret to success of duncan and russell. Its also the secret of jordan. He couldve remain 32 8 8 player yet he was a loser early in his career. He was considered selfish despite averaging 8 apg. Meanwhile 2nd 3 peat jordan only averaged 4 apg yet his team becomes more dominant. Jordan is the standard yet lebron made robertson his standard who hasnt won anything as the man. Yet people comparing him to Jordan. Hes not even better than kobe.