Never, ever underestimate Superstars.

[robert_shaww]

OKC vs SPURS

OKC has the 2 best players in the series (by far) and Parker is not 100%. This series is for OKC in 5 or 6 games because they are playing small with jackson.


MIAMI vs PACERS

how many times did miami lost a 1st game in a series (millions) how many times they won the series (every freaking time). Miami has the 2 best players in that series also, the 2 time champs are winning in 6 games.


Im sure every single indiana and spurs fan know this is the truth.

[navy]

This. At the end of the day Superstars win games.

[fiddy]

This. At the end of the day Superstars win games.
*If they show up

[navy]

*If they show up
Only need to show up 4/7 games.

OKC has two Superstars. Makes it easier.

[robert_shaww]

Only need to show up 4/7 games.

OKC has two Superstars. Makes it easier.

exactly.

[fiddy]

Only need to show up 4/7 games.

OKC has two Superstars. Makes it easier.
Nope. two Superstars cant outsmart Pop.

[navy]

Nope. two Superstars cant outsmart Pop.

Did you watch OKC SA in 2012? Brains is one thing, actual basketball production is another.

Durant and Westbrook are capable of winning 4/7 games no matter what Pop does. It's likely a role player or two will step up and fill the void if they cant. Which is why you cant count OKC out.

[DMAVS41]

OKC vs SPURS

OKC has the 2 best players in the series (by far) and Parker is not 100%. This series is for OKC in 5 or 6 games because they are playing small with jackson.


MIAMI vs PACERS

how many times did miami lost a 1st game in a series (millions) how many times they won the series (every freaking time). Miami has the 2 best players in that series also, the 2 time champs are winning in 6 games.


Im sure every single indiana and spurs fan know this is the truth.

Problem with Miami is that they only have 1 superstar. Wade hasn't been a superstar since 12.

OKC definitely has 2 and with or without OKC...they are capable of beating anyone because of that.

[fiddy]

Did you watch OKC SA in 2012? Brains is one thing, actual basketball production is another.

Durant and Westbrook are capable of winning 4/7 games no matter what Pop does. It's likely a role player or two will step up and fill the void if they cant. Which is why you cant count OKC out.
Dont forget Ibaka is out.

[navy]

Dont forget Ibaka is out.
Still just a role player. :confusedshrug:

Will probably cost them the series, but Durant and Westbrook are good enough to over come that if they play like they are capable.

[Beastmode88]

Still just a role player. :confusedshrug:

Will probably cost them the series, but Durant and Westbrook are good enough to over come that if they play like they are capable.

Lol lebron stans... Ibaka is just a role player like Jason Terry in 2011 right? 2 time leader in blocks is just a role player? My god stans these days. :facepalm

[aj1987]

There's literally on one on the Spurs who can stop KD. Expect him to average 34/11/5.

[navy]

Lol lebron stans... Ibaka is just a role player like Jason Terry in 2011 right? 2 time leader in blocks is just a role player? My god stans these days. :facepalm
:facepalm


Stop being dense. Yes, Ibaka is just a role player. I already acknowledge he was an important one and may cost OKC the series, but he is just a role player.

Durant and Westbrook are Superstars.

[imdaman99]

Still just a role player. :confusedshrug:

Will probably cost them the series, but Durant and Westbrook are good enough to over come that if they play like they are capable.
Role players are those guys that are not consistent and you can't rely on them being there for your team every game. Ibaka is dependable and he consistently gets 12-18 points and has a jumper that is almost always there.

So he is more than a role player, he is their 3rd guy. Not a star but not a role player, somewhere in between.

[JonatanRey]

Disagree with the OKC-Spurs:

1) San Antonio has more superstars than OKC. I disagree in what you call a superstar if you consider Westbrook is one of them.
2) Parker on one leg is a better PG than Westbrook.
3) Ibaka is more than a role player and you need him to try to stop TD. Collison is a fighter and I love him but he's not Ibaka.
4) Bench.

[robert_shaww]

Disagree with the OKC-Spurs:

1) San Antonio has more superstars than OKC. I disagree in what you call a superstar if you consider Westbrook is one of them.
2) Parker on one leg is a better PG than Westbrook.
3) Ibaka is more than a role player and you need him to try to stop TD. Collison is a fighter and I love him but he's not Ibaka.
4) Bench.

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[aj1987]

Role players are those guys that are not consistent and you can't rely on them being there for your team every game. Ibaka is dependable and he consistently gets 12-18 points and has a jumper that is almost always there.

So he is more than a role player, he is their 3rd guy. Not a star but not a role player, somewhere in between.
Ibaka is more than a role-player. Dude was All-Defensive First Team the last two years and led the league in blocks as well. He's ELITE defensively. He also scored ~15 points a game on 53% shooting and grabs 8 rebounds a game.

[T_L_P]

Didn't you say the Spurs' chance of beating Portland in 5 were 1%?

:oldlol:

And they didn't even need Manu to show up to the building to do that, the guy that has been carrying this team.

:oldlol:

[robert_shaww]

Didn't you say the Spurs' chance of beating Portland in 5 were 1%?

:oldlol:

And they didn't even need Manu to show up to the building to do that, the guy that has been carrying this team.

:oldlol:

manu carried the spurs vs mavs, parker vs blazers.

[Marchesk]

"Superstar" is a manufactured term to market the league. Teams win games. Consider last season's final. Bosh got the critical rebounds. Allen hit the three. "Superstars" win nothing by themselves.

[aj1987]

"Superstar" is a manufactured term to market the league. Teams win games. Consider last season's final. Bosh got the critical rebounds. Allen hit the three. "Superstars" win nothing by themselves.
Wilt apologists. :facepalm

[fpliii]

Timmy :applause:

[T_L_P]

manu carried the spurs vs mavs, parker vs blazers.

:oldlol: Pathetic

You've barely made a comment about Manu since the Mavs series. Let me tell you, there's no way Duncan goes 9/4/4, .286 shooting throughout a series. Even at age 50.

Duncan's still leading this team in Playoff PER, at 38. That consistency. :applause:

[robert_shaww]

:oldlol: Pathetic

You've barely made a comment about Manu since the Mavs series. Let me tell you, there's no way Duncan goes 9/4/4, .286 shooting throughout a series. Even at age 50.

Duncan's still leading this team in Playoff PER, at 38. That consistency. :applause:

manu in round 1

tony in round 2

its time for duncan in round 3....(and without ibaka...)

[AlexanderRight]

Why can't people just say that a series will be a close hard fought one and that they don't know who will come out on top. Everyone's always trying to act hard guaranteeing wins.

[T_L_P]

manu in round 1

tony in round 2

its time for duncan in round 3....(and without ibaka...)

It's time for what? Over the course of the Playoffs, Duncan has been our best or second best player. At 38, he should be putting up '03 D. Rob numbers, not carrying his team through a series.

Also, don't just skip over my post. Address how scrubby Manu played in the series. You like to bring up 2011 enough for Duncan, self-proclaimed Spurs fan. :oldlol:

Jordan didn't make the Playoffs at 38. Magic wasn't in the league at 38. Bird wasn't in the league at 38. Shaq was a benchwarmer at 38.

The fail of this post. :facepalm

[robert_shaww]

It's time for what? Over the course of the Playoffs, Duncan has been our best or second best player. At 38, he should be putting up '03 D. Rob numbers, not carrying his team through a series.

Also, don't just skip over my post. Address how scrubby Manu played in the series. You like to bring up 2011 enough for Duncan, self-proclaimed Spurs fan. :oldlol:

Jordan didn't make the Playoffs at 38. Magic wasn't in the league at 38. Bird wasn't in the league at 38. Shaq was a benchwarmer at 38.

The fail of this post. :facepalm

jordan was playing in washington...didnt play with manu or parker....:facepalm so now duncan is better than bird????

[20Four]

Why not just use your regular name milbuck? Why sign in as your ALT? :facepalm

[T_L_P]

jordan was playing in washington...didnt play with manu or parker....:facepalm so now duncan is better than bird????

What does any of that have to do with what I said? You said Duncan should/needs to carry his team this round, and I'm pointing out that most 38-year-olds aren't even in the league, let alone carrying their teams.

2014 Manu (round 2): 9/4/4, .283 shooting. "Didn't play with Manu" :roll:

No, he was playing with a 22/4/5 Jerry Stackhouse, in the pathetic East.

[robert_shaww]

What does any of that have to do with what I said? You said Duncan should/needs to carry his team this round, and I'm pointing out that most 38-year-olds aren't even in the league, let alone carrying their teams.

2014 Manu (round 2): 9/4/4, .283 shooting. "Didn't play with Manu" :roll:

No, he was playing with a 22/4/5 Jerry Stackhouse, in the pathetic East.

manu is a hall of famer, with 37 years old he was carrying duncan in round 1. (go watch game 4 again, down 1-2 on the road...double digit deficit...., idiot)

[T_L_P]

manu is a hall of famer, with 37 years old he was carrying duncan in round 1. (go watch game 4 again, down 1-2 on the road...double digit deficit...., idiot)

You're very good at picking out one point of contention and running with it.

Good work, troll. :applause:

The fact still remains, 38-year-olds aren't supposed to be carrying their teams.

[robert_shaww]

You're very good at picking out one point of contention and running with it.

Good work, troll. :applause:

The fact still remains, 38-year-olds aren't supposed to be carrying their teams.

37 years old aren

[T_L_P]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]37 years old aren

[ProfessorMurder]

Still just a role player. :confusedshrug:

Will probably cost them the series, but Durant and Westbrook are good enough to over come that if they play like they are capable.

You dumb Heat fans were trying to act like Ibaka was an allstar, and OKC was stacked a month ago. Now he's a role player.

[robert_shaww]

Never said they should. You're the one postulating that Manu has been carrying this team all along. In fact, didn't you say he and Parker have been better than Duncan since like '04?

i said dunca hasnt been much better than manu or paker since 05....

[T_L_P]

i said dunca hasnt been much better than manu or paker since 05....

And again, you know that's total bullshit.

'06 Playoffs--

Tim: 26/11/3/1/2
Manu: 18/5/3/2/1
Parker: 21/4/4/1

'07 Playoffs--

Tim: 22/12/3/1/3
Manu: 17/6/4/2
Parker: 21/3/6/1

So, care to explain how either of them close to Tim in either of those years?

[robert_shaww]

And again, you know that's total bullshit.

'06 Playoffs--

Tim: 26/11/3/1/2
Manu: 18/5/3/2/1
Parker: 21/4/4/1

'07 Playoffs--

Tim: 22/12/3/1/3
Manu: 17/6/4/2
Parker: 21/3/6/1

So, care to explain how either of them close to Tim in either of those years?

in 07 thats pretty close...and parker was the finals MVP

[atljonesbro]

2) Parker on one leg is a better PG than Westbrook.
.
Edgy

[robert_shaww]

2007 per 36

Ginobili:

22PPG
4.6 AST
5.7 REB
2.0 STL


Duncan:

20.1 PPG
3.6 AST
11.2 REB
0.9 STL


:rolleyes:

(in 2006 its even worse)

[TMT]

T_L_P, don't feed the trolls man.

I do, however, agree that the bad matchups KD and Russ present against the Spurs are cause for concern. This is still a series that is probably going to 7.

[dunksby]

Stop calling every star player a superstar, there are only two active superstars in the league right now and they are LeBron and KD (Kobe when healthy). OKC has superior star power with the ability to take over games and win them against superior team ball and coaching. Same story with the MIA/IND series, I remember so many people had Boston upsetting the Heat till LeBron took over and basically won them the game. Similar thing happened when the Thunder backdoor swept the Spurs although I do admit the situation concerning this year's WCF is very different compared to 2012.

[robert_shaww]

Ppg Per 36 From 2005 To 2014

Duncan: 178,9 / 9 Seasons: 19.8 Ppg

Ginobili: 183,7 / 9 Seasons: 20,4 Ppg

Parker: 185,2 / 9 Seasons: 20,5 Ppg

The End.

[kamil]

OKC vs SPURS

OKC has the 2 best players in the series (by far) and Parker is not 100%. This series is for OKC in 5 or 6 games because they are playing small with jackson.


MIAMI vs PACERS

how many times did miami lost a 1st game in a series (millions) how many times they won the series (every freaking time). Miami has the 2 best players in that series also, the 2 time champs are winning in 6 games.


Im sure every single indiana and spurs fan know this is the truth.

It aint over until one team wins 4 games. Anything can happen, fool.

[JonatanRey]

L O L

Comparing players based on PPG? Use AST next time. It will be funnier.

Nick Young is over Paul George, Lillard and CP3 on points per minute. Is he over them?

[20Four]

Milbuck! Stop posting :facepalm

[aj1987]

T_L_P, don't feed the trolls man.

I do, however, agree that the bad matchups KD and Russ present against the Spurs are cause for concern. This is still a series that is probably going to 7.
If KD doesn't go cold, it won't go past 6 games.

[ArbitraryWater]

Still just a role player. :confusedshrug:

Will probably cost them the series, but Durant and Westbrook are good enough to over come that if they play like they are capable.

Ibaka and role player :facepalm :banghead: :banghead:


Also, you are so wrong about 2012... Thunder won because Ibaka/Perkins went ape shit, and Refs in Game 6.

[Artillery]

manu carried the spurs vs mavs, parker vs blazers.

Stats for the 2014 playoffs says Duncan's been the Spurs most consistent(and best) player. Parker sucked against the Mavs and wasn't even needed to blow the Blazers out in game 5 while Manu only played well against Dallas but fell off a cliff against Portland.

PER:
20.7 - Duncan
18.3 - Ginobili
17.1 - Parker

TS%:
.562 - Duncan
.536 - Ginobili
.528 - Parker

Win Shares:
1.7 - Duncan
0.7 - Ginobili
0.5 - Parker

WS/48:
.198 - Duncan
.106 - Ginobili
.058 - Parker

ORtg:
123 - Duncan
102 - Ginobili
102 - Parker

[All Net]

It all depends what role players give them..

[aj1987]

It all depends what role players give them..
They just need good defense from Adams. KD and WB can carry the offensive load.

[Big#50]

This. At the end of the day Superstars win games.
Replace superstars with refs.

[T_L_P]

2007 per 36

Ginobili:

22PPG
4.6 AST
5.7 REB
2.0 STL


Duncan:

20.1 PPG
3.6 AST
11.2 REB
0.9 STL


:rolleyes:

(in 2006 its even worse)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=duncati01&y1=2007&p2=ginobma01&y2=2007
Here we go again, making up stats to fit your agenda.

Duncan per 36: 22/11/3/1/3
Manu per 36: 20/7/4/2

Duncan, 27 PER
Manu, 22 PER

:facepalm

Duncan averaged 22.2 in the '07 Playoffs on 36.8 minutes. Now he loses 2.1 of them in under a minute of play? Where are you getting this stats?