Kobe made Gasol better while Bran made Bosh worse

[Ca$H]

Why did Gasol improve with Kobe and why did Bosh get worse with Bran?

[ImKobe]

it's the system. Triangle is better than anything Miami's running. Gasol's a great post player and a playmaker and the triangle played to his strengths, him and Kobe meshed really well while Lebron & Bosh just don't have that chemistry.

Kobe & Pau are amigos for life - it's hard to find that kind of chemistry these days.

[GODbe]

I never understood this. When LeBald fans attempt to compare him to Kobe they say that Kobe's "a selfish ballchucker" while LeBald "gets the teammates involved and makes everyone around him better". Yet in fact, all he's done is make them spot up shooters and have people thinking they've declined :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

Funny. Pau seems to play MUCH better with his Spanish teammates than he does with Kobe. Weird.

[Milbuck]

You could make the strong case that the triangle offense helped him...

But then again, I remember there being a big fuss about Kobe back in I think 2012 when he got hurt. People were talking about how Bynum and Gasol were going to be "unleashed" with him out, and then they proceeded to shoot something like 6-10% below their season averages with Kobe out.

[gts]

Couple things did Bosh really get worse?

Gasol was clearly the number 2 option where Bosh has become number three behind Wade and Lebron... Gasol never had that competition in the Lakers hierarchy...

[AnaheimLakers24]

Funny. Pau seems to play MUCH better with his Spanish teammates than he does with Kobe. Weird.
1st option vs 2nd option

shut up bush

[Hey Yo]

Kobe definitely helped Pau's offensive rebounding avg. go up.

[buddha]

Funny. Pau seems to play MUCH better with his Spanish teammates than he does with Kobe. Weird.

Yeah Pau is a racist son of a sterling.

[SexSymbol]

Actually, Kobe is probably the best guy for a bigman to play with.
Shaq has said, that Kobe would find him in the best spots.
I understand that, as Kobe is a terrific, one of all time great post players, he knows where his players can get a good, high percentage shot

[Black and White]

Phil Jackson and the triangle offense is a very important factor, and Kobe and Gasol had great chemistry,

LeBron doesn't look to use Bosh in the same way, in fact a lot of the time Bosh is hardly used as a power forward rather a spot up shooter on drives, I would like to see LeBron use him for a pick and pop type role, or at least get him deeper looks in the paint, its just a different scenario.

[Nikola_]

Bran need dat space inside to operate
no post presence allowed

[ArbitraryWater]

You could make the strong case that the triangle offense helped him...

But then again, I remember there being a big fuss about Kobe back in I think 2012 when he got hurt. People were talking about how Bynum and Gasol were going to be "unleashed" with him out, and then they proceeded to shoot something like 6-10% below their season averages with Kobe out.

When did that happen, robert?

[SexSymbol]

When did that happen, robert?
In 2012, he stated it in his post, learn to read

[Milbuck]

When did that happen, robert?
:oldlol: Still?

You know that Smook got exposed for photoshopping those pictures, right? For multiple people, not just with me.

[Black and White]

When did that happen, robert?

:facepalm

Read his post

[edrick]

Why did Gasol improve with PJ and why did Bosh get worse with Bran?

fixed

[Dr Seuss]

When did that happen, robert?

i believe it was those stretch of games in april 2012, closing out the regular season.

EDIT:
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320409003
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320411024
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320413013
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320415013
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320417013
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320418009


Way tooo fuking lazy to type it out

[Smoke117]

He made him better how exactly? Gasol basically averaged the same numbers his last 3 years on Memphis with the same efficiency through the 2011 Lakers. He only rebounded slightly more. Kobe didn't make anybody better, Gasol did what he had been doing for years.

[bballnoob1192]

one of the many myths about kobe is that he is selfish, but the truth is his passing ability is one of the greatest of all time. I mean one of his greatest playoff plays of all-time is his oop to shaq against portland, yet haters still think he is some kind of selfish ballhog.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2740003/shaq-kobe-alley-oop-o.gif

[sd3035]

Lebald's hall of fame cast are mainly there as decoys so nobody bothers to defend Lebald. They bail him out when needed though

[TheMarkMadsen]

He made him better how exactly? Gasol basically averaged the same numbers his last 3 years on Memphis with the same efficiency through the 2011 Lakers. He only rebounded slightly more. Kobe didn't make anybody better, Gasol did what he had been doing for years.

Must be why Gasols FG% went up 9% while his scoring remained the same the year he was traded to the lakers..

In fact, Gasols first few years with the lakers were all career highs in FG% while maintaining the same ppg and taking the same amount of shots

So essentially you're lying your ass off

[T_L_P]

Phil

[The-Legend-24]

You could make the strong case that the triangle offense helped him...

But then again, I remember there being a big fuss about Kobe back in I think 2012 when he got hurt. People were talking about how Bynum and Gasol were going to be "unleashed" with him out, and then they proceeded to shoot something like 6-10% below their season averages with Kobe out.
Or the most recent example. Last years playoffs. :roll:

[Rubio2Gasol]

Funny. Pau seems to play MUCH better with his Spanish teammates than he does with Kobe. Weird.

Not really, about the same.

The 08-11 are the best years I've seen him have by a long way and I think what he did against Garnett in 10 an Dwight in 09 was really special :bowdown:

I give Kobe and Phil alot of credit for it, I've followed his career extensively and he simply wasn't as agressive and dominant as he was those years anywhere else.

When people start talking about numbers and what he averaged in Memphis, you realize how ****ing stupid these idiots are. They probably never watched Pau a day in their life before he moved to LA. Probably didn't watch the finals in 08 either. There was a HUGE change in the way he went about the game and it was on display in the most important moments.

[TerranOP]

1st option --> 2nd option

1st option --> 3rd option

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[tmacattack33]

Why did Gasol improve with Kobe and why did Bosh get worse with Bran?

Yes, I agree. Chris Bosh can't play defense and rebound because of Lebron.

It has nothing to do with him aging.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Yes, I agree. Chris Bosh can't play defense and rebound because of Lebron.

It has nothing to do with him aging.

He's 30, not 40.

He could probably get a few rebounders if he was playing the of $20 million spot-up shooter.

[Nevaeh]

Funny. Pau seems to play MUCH better with his Spanish teammates than he does with Kobe. Weird.

Or maybe it's just the Derek Fisher effect...

[Beastmode88]

didnt pau's stats go down? :banana:

[Smoke117]

Must be why Gasols FG% went up 9% while his scoring remained the same the year he was traded to the lakers..

In fact, Gasols first few years with the lakers were all career highs in FG% while maintaining the same ppg and taking the same amount of shots

So essentially you're lying your ass off


His TS% is basically the same from his last full season with Memphis in 2007. He was taking more ft's on Memphis as opposed to the Lakers show improved his efficiency there. He was never really all that better on the Lakers than he was in the 2007 season.