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Jballer
05-20-2014, 12:59 PM
I thought to start a thread on "up to date consensus mock drafts" to see what the experts predict about our pick.

I am choosing the "range from 15 - 25 as in theory any or all of these players are available to the Raptors depending on surprises from picks above 20 being the mid point.

* source 15 - 25 Nba draft dot net

15 *Atlanta Kyle Anderson SF UCLA
16 Chicago Adreian Payne PF Michigan St.
17 *Boston Tyler Ennis PG Syracuse
18 *Phoenix Dario Saric SF/PF Croatia
19 Chicago TJ Warren SF NC State
20 Toronto Nik Stauskas SG Michigan
21 *Oklahoma Cty Elfrid Payton PG Louisiana Laf...
22 Memphis Shabazz Napier PG UConn
23 *Utah Glenn Robinson III SF Michigan
24 *Charlotte Semaj Christon PG Xavier
25 Houston Vasilje Micic PG Serbia

Jballer
05-20-2014, 01:06 PM
From Chris Mannix at SI.com

* Chris is actually very connected it seems to me. His final draft picked out the Cavs picks and moves past two years. This is only his Mock 1.0 but his final Mock draft usually has some strong bearing on "insider voices"

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15. Atlanta Hawks -- Jusuf Nurkic, C, Bosnia
Hawks GM Danny Ferry likes to tap the international market -- witness the drafting of Dennis Schroeder and Lucas Nogueira in the first round last year -- and could nab another in Nurkic, a bruising post player. Nurkic is raw but has the physical tools to develop into the type of center Atlanta needs.

16. Chicago Bulls (via Phoenix) -- T.J. Warren, SF, NC State
Warren is unorthodox -- he has great size for a small forward but lacks the traditional athleticism and perimeter shooting. But Warren is a scorer (which the Bulls need) with a nice in-between game and a willingness to move without the ball that Tom Thibodeau will love.

17. Boston Celtics (via Brooklyn) -- Kyle Anderson, G, UCLA
The success of Michael Carter-Williams this season has increased teams' fascination with taller point guards. Anderson is a natural playmaker who thrived when UCLA handed him the reins this season. Scouts question Anderson's speed and defense, but when paired with a two-guard who can defend point guards -- like, say, Avery Bradley -- those issues can be ironed out.

18. Phoenix Suns (via Washington) -- Adreian Payne, PF, Michigan State
Payne is 23, which is the biggest thing working against him. He is a terrific inside-out player who rebounds and is solid from the free-throw line. The Suns' success with Channing Frye this season could motivate them to grab a player who plays a lot like him.

19. Chicago Bulls -- P.J. Hairston, SG, Texas Legands
If Hairston put up the numbers he did in the D-League (21.8 points) at North Carolina, he would be a lottery lock. Hairston's issues at UNC will be a hot topic at the combine, but if teams like what they hear he could come off the board quickly because of his inside-outside scoring.

20. Toronto Raptors -- Doug McDermott, SF, Creighton
League executives see him going anywhere between 10 and 25. If he's here, McDermott's NBA-ready offensive game fills Toronto's need for a polished frontcourt scorer.

21. Oklahoma City Thunder (via Dallas) -- Jerami Grant, F, Syracuse
Grant is a project. He's a big-time athlete with great physical tools, but it's still unclear what position he plays in the NBAl. Is he a small forward? Grant will need to become more of a perimeter threat (he didn't make a three-pointer in five attempts this season). Is he an undersized four? He will need to improve his strength and rebounding to play there. Grant needs time to develop. Which is exactly what Oklahoma City is in a position to give him.

22. Memphis Grizzlies -- Zach LaVine, G, UCLA
LaVine's stock soared after a hot-shooting start to the season and plummeted after his shooting leveled off. LaVine is perhaps the fastest player in the draft, with elite athleticism. He needs to add strength and be more consistent, but he's a potential NBA starter.

23. Utah Jazz (via Golden State) -- K.J. McDaniels, SF, Clemson
McDaniels is a tremendous athlete whose stock has steadily improved throughout the season. He's also a fearsome shot blocker who thrives in the open floor. His offensive skills don't match his athleticism yet, but if they do McDaniels has enormous potential.

24. Charlotte Bobcats (via Portland) -- Bogdan Bogdanovic, G, Serbia
The Bobcats need perimeter shooting and Bogdanovic may be just what they are looking for. Bogdanovic is an emerging three-point shooter who can get to the basket and plays an unselfish game.

25. Houston Rockets -- Clint Capela, F, France
Capela is another dynamic athlete who thrives in transition. While the Rockets will be on the lookout for a stretch four in the offseason, Capela is a long, mobile big with a high defensive ceiling and the potential to develop into an intimidating power forward as he fills out.

Jballer
05-20-2014, 04:15 PM
* draft express.

This doesnt look updated recently but has a disclaim based on "Team Need".

A lot of players like Ennis or Stauksas go higher in this projection.


15 Rodney Hood SF 21 yrs; 6'8"; 208 lbs. Duke, Soph
16 Zach LaVine SG 19 yrs; 6'6"; 181 lbs.UCLA, Fr
17 Gary Harris SG 19 yrs; 6'4"; 205 lbs.Michigan State, Soph
18 T.J. Warren SF/PF 20 yrs; 6'8"; 220 lbs.N.C. State, Soph
19 Clint Capela PF 20 yrs; 6'11"; 222 lbs.Chalon, Intl
20 Adreian Payne PF 23 yrs; 6'10"; 239 lbs.Michigan State, Sr
21 Kristaps Porzingis PF18 yrs; 7'0"; 220 lbs.Sevilla, Intl
22 K.J. McDaniels SF 21 yrs; 6'6"; 196 lbs.Clemson, Jr
23 Kyle Anderson SF 20 yrs; 6'8"; 230 lbs.UCLA, Soph
24 Trailblazers P.J. Hairston SG 21 yrs; 6'5"; 229 lbs.Tex Legends, Jr
25 Jerami Grant SF 20 yrs; 6'8"; 214 lbs. Syracuse, Soph

Chamberlain
05-20-2014, 04:45 PM
I have a feeling that if Clint Capella is on the board at #20 he will be a Raptor.

I think Kyle Anderson would be an interesting choice too. Lowry isn't your typical point guard and may benefit from having a point forward on the court with him. The knock on Anderson is his lack of speed and high body fat percentage, so he may not translate to the big leagues very well.

Jballer, I assume we'll be doing our annual mock draft in the coming weeks?

Jballer
05-20-2014, 04:57 PM
TJ Warren... K J McDaniels... and Clint Capella...


seem to be names accross other boards I can paste in i.e. CBS Sports / ESPN etc. All players "fitted with the Raptors".

However, I also suspect some authors have a "Toronto will always pick a Canadian or Euro bias".

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I can run a pick top 20 game 1 point per right player right position.

Any others interested ??

Qwyjibo
05-20-2014, 09:36 PM
Hood and Warren, just out of the reach of the Raptors in a lot of these. Damn.

Jballer
05-21-2014, 09:20 AM
* Cbs Sports.

Too hard to format the entire 3 panel expert from 15 - 20. Its here.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft

Raptor "predicted" Picks at 20:


Kyle Anderson SF | UCLA
Elfrid Payton PG | Louisiana-Lafayette
Zach LaVine SG | UCLA

Again just above and below Raptor picks are

TJ Warren SF NC State
Kyle Anderson SF UCLA
Client Capella PF Euro
KJ McDaniels SF Clemson

Jballer
05-21-2014, 09:24 AM
I now understand why the Cavaliers play half court ball. The franchise is incapable of running with horse shoes stuck up the @%&*:cheers:

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Despite Cleveland getting #1 - No noted changes to :
*NBAdraft.net - "consensus"
*Draft express
*CBS

Note : Inside Hoops has not updated a mock draft LOL

Jballer
05-21-2014, 01:12 PM
Bleecher Report Analysis.

Again.. I sense a little "Canadian Team Euro Bias"....

KJ McDaniels keeps rising in the proxiimity of the Raptors Picks

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15. Atlanta Hawks: Clint Capela, PF, Switzerland

Capela is a tantalizing prospect currently playing in the LNB Pro A league in France. He's 6'11" with an enormous 7'4" wingspan and has a ridiculously great highlight reel. The wiry giant has fantastic upside and clearly loves to finish the occasional alley-oop. Capela's game would be a nice change of pace for the Hawks, who currently rely heavily on outside shooting and will need to add a different dynamic to their offense in order to return to the playoffs in 2015.

16. Chicago Bulls (via Charlotte Bobcats): Tyler Ennis, PG, Syracuse

Derrick Rose might not skip a beat once he makes his eventual return to the NBA, but the Bulls would be wise to add some depth at the point guard position. Ennis is a fiery, competitive point guard who could probably carve out a niche on just about any NBA team. His no-frills response to Tim and Sid of the Sportsnet Radio Network reflects his tenacity: Perhaps Ennis can channel some of his frustration at Syracuse's collapse into his NBA career.

17. Boston Celtics (via Brooklyn Nets): Jerami Grant, SF, Syracuse

Let's make a run on Syracuse players who weren't totally responsible for the abrupt way their run at an undefeated season ended. Grant averaged 12.8 points and 6.1 rebounds during his sophomore season at the 'Cuse, a huge leap from his production as a freshman. The Celtics could use Grant in a variety of ways, as he has the ability to compete at both forward spots. However, his jump shot is a bit shaky and will keep him from rising much further than the middle of the first round in this loaded draft class.

18. Phoenix Suns (via Washington Wizards): Rodney Hood, SF, Duke

Rodney Hood and Jabari Parker formed an excellent scoring tandem at Duke. The lengthy 6'7" forward averaged 13.3 points per game and made a name for himself during his lone season in Durham. He might not have had the opportunity to showcase his talent had he not transferred from Mississippi State. The attention lavished upon Parker definitely spilled over to Hood, and he made the most of it. Look for him to continue that success with a young, hungry team like the Phoenix Suns.

19. Chicago Bulls: K.J. McDaniels, SF, Clemson

McDaniels is the kind of high-energy defensive specialist that would fit in perfectly in head coach Tom Thibodeau's scheme in Chicago. He's also an absolute wizard when it comes to getting directly to the basket, averaging 17.1 points per game during his junior season at Clemson. McDaniels is unafraid to take outside shots but will need to work on his 30.4 percent three-point shooting if he is to be trusted with those looks in the NBA. But let's get back to the defensive mastery. McDaniels averaged a staggering 2.8 blocks per game at just 6'6" tall and will have everyone in the league looking over his shoulder on fast breaks. SMU coach Larry Brown, who knows a thing or two about the NBA, compared McDaniels to a few prominent NBA stars. Via Aaron Brenner of The Post and Courier: "He reminds me of Paul George and Andre Iguodala, the kid (Kawhi) Leonard at San Antonio. (He’s) a human stat sheet. Guys that find ways to help your team win. He’s going to be playing at the next level doing the same thing." No mincing of words there. Brown's comments should have the Association on notice.

20. Toronto Raptors: Jusuf Nurkic, C, Bosnia

Since the Raptors decided they needed Drake as a global ambassador, it makes sense that they add some global flavor to their team by selecting Nurkic. He currently plays for Cedevita in Croatia's Adriatic League but has NBA scouts clamoring over him thanks to his 6'11", 280-pound frame. According to Mike Schmitz of Draftexpress.com, Nurkic averaged 13 points and 5.6 rebounds per game in just over 16 minutes of play each night. It is clear he's dominating inferior competition, but Toronto's coaches will have plenty of time to shape the 19-year-old into a formidable post presence capable of playing at the highest level.

21. Oklahoma City Thunder (via Dallas Mavericks): Gary Harris, SG, Michigan State

Gary Harris did an excellent job of improving nearly every facet of his game during his sophomore season, and the NBA definitely took notice. He's not a great outside shooter, but the Thunder desperately need options on offense when either Russell Westbrook or Kevin Durant is having an off night. Harris also does a decent job of taking care of the ball, a constant issue for Westbrook, averaging just 1.7 turnovers per game in 2013-2014.

22. Memphis Grizzlies: Adreian Payne, PF, Michigan State

The Grizzlies have a strong frontcourt tandem in Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph, but they would be wise to prepare for the future by drafting Payne. Payne has great size at 6'9" and 215 pounds, and he can score in a variety of ways. Whether it is posting up as a power forward or knocking down spot-up jumpers from the perimeter (42.3 percent from beyond the arc in 2013-2014), Payne's versatility should give the Grizzlies a major boost on offense.

23. Utah Jazz (via Golden State Warriors): Cleanthony Early, SF, Wichita State

Early is likely to end up in the latter half of the first round, and the Jazz would be a perfect spot for his all-around scoring ability and solid defensive work ethic. Early made headlines after his 31-point performance against Kentucky in the NCAA tournament, as he displayed an ability to pop up from outside, drive to the hoop and hit a mid-range jumper or two. Early's athleticism makes him an intriguing pick, and I think the Jazz take him a bit earlier than most observers might expect.

24. Charlotte Bobcats (via Portland Trail Blazers): Zach LaVine, SG, UCLA

LaVine will have to bulk up in order to survive the rigors of the pro game. Scouts love his raw potential and athleticism, despite the fact he averaged just 9.4 points per game sharing the ball with Jordan Adams and Anderson. Fans would be wise to note that Jrue Holiday left the Bruins with less than spectacular numbers, but the word from scouts gave him the confidence to make the leap, and we all know how well that has turned out. Expect LaVine to make a similarly smooth transition. LaVine would give the Bobcats an excellent shooting option at guard and put some pressure on Michael Kidd-Gilchrist to raise his game on offense.

25. Houston Rockets: Jordan Adams, SG, UCLA

Adams hasn't officially declared for the NBA draft but has filed paperwork to explore his draft status, according to Chris Foster of the Los Angeles Times. He is still just testing the waters, but he may be better off by jumping ship to the league since his teammates LaVine and Anderson have already abandoned Westwood. Adams averaged 17.4 points per game on 48.5 percent shooting from the field and helped lead UCLA to the Sweet 16 of the NCAA tournament in 2014.

Jballer
05-21-2014, 02:16 PM
Chris Mannix 2.0 if you will.

*source CNNSI

15. Hawks -- James Young, G, Kentucky freshman, 6-7, 213
Atlanta would love to get a big man to join Al Horford and Paul Millsap, but taking any of the ones available here would be a reach. Young is streaky, and he shot only 34.9 percent from beyond the arc, but scouts love his potential. Young has good size and could grow into an ideal backcourt partner for point guard Jeff Teague.

16. Bulls (via Hornets) -- Tyler Ennis, G, Syracuse freshman, 6-3, 182
Derrick Rose's injury history makes fortifying the point guard position a priority. Ennis, 19, won't wow with his physical tools, but he is a heady playmaker who made big shots last season and displayed composure that belied his age.

17. Boston Celtics (via Nets) -- T.J. Warren, F, NC State sophomore, 6-8, 220The search for Paul Pierce's replacement at small forward continues. Warren has a little Pierce in him -- he owns a nice mid-range game, rebounds well for his position and attacks the angles relentlessly -- though he shot only 26.7 on threes. With Jeff Green on the trade block and Gerald Wallace not part of the Celtics' long-term future, Warren fills a need.

18. Suns (via Wizards) -- Kyle Anderson, G, UCLA sophomore, 6-9, 230
Anderson blossomed as a point guard last season, but his defensive deficiencies make playing the position in the NBA problematic. Ideally, Anderson works alongside a smaller scoring guard, allowing him to run an offense while defending twos. With three first-round picks, the Suns could look for an international player to stash overseas, too.

19. Bulls -- P.J. Hairston, G, D-League's Texas Legends (21 years old), 6-5, 229
After leaving the North Carolina program last December following an NCAA investigation into his use of rental cars, Hairston averaged 21.8 points in the D-League. Hairston has prototypical size for a shooting guard and his scoring and three-point shooting (35.8 percent with the Legends) would boost a Bulls lineup that struggled offensively without Rose.

20. Raptors -- Zach LaVine, G, UCLA freshman, 6-6, 181
With Kyle Lowry's status uncertain as he enters free agency, the Raptors snap up a potential replacement. LaVine insists that he is a point guard, and he has the speed and athleticism to play the position. But is he a playmaker? Kyle Anderson handled those responsibilities for the Bruins. Can he become a consistent shooter? LaVine was streaky last season, finishing at 44.1 percent from the field and 37.5 percent from beyond the arc, and by the end of the year his playing time had diminished considerably (he averaged 24.4 minutes for the season).

21. Thunder (via Mavs, Rockets and Lakers) -- Mitch McGary, PF, Michigan sophomore, 6-10, 250
McGary, who skipped the combine while rehabilitating a back injury that ended his season in mid-December, is a wild card. At his best, McGary is a high-energy player who rebounds, runs the floor and finishes at the rim. He's also an excellent screener with good pick-and-roll potential, two strengths that will play well in Oklahoma City. With center Kendrick Perkins an amnesty candidate, the Thunder could use (cheap) frontcourt help.

22. Grizzlies -- K.J. McDaniels, SF, Clemson junior, 6-6, 196
Small forward is a glaring need for the Grizzlies, whose organization is in flux after the ouster of CEO Jason Levien. McDaniels is a spectacular athlete with a wingspan (6-foot-11

Jballer
05-21-2014, 03:00 PM
Stats:

6 mock drafts have Raptors picking players for position : 1-2-3 Guard Shooting Guard - Small Forward.

2 mock drafts have us picking players for position: 4-5 - Forward Center.

barkleynash
05-21-2014, 07:48 PM
hoping kj slips, on paper he sounds like the perfect fit

Jballer
05-22-2014, 11:36 AM
Source : Cannot be named here - that other place :cheers:

Another projection that Raptors take a big man "camp".

Very different from a lot of consensus drafts vis a vis TJ Warren/ Capella/ Enis / Levine

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15. James Young ATL Shooting Guard / 6-7 / Kentucky / Freshman 14.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg
Young proved what an explosive athlete he can be with his dunk over UConn's big men in the national championship game. Young is an athletic lefty two guard with a sweet shot, and plays with good intensity. Though he ran into some bumps during his freshman season and did not shoot as well as scouts would have liked, he remains UK's second-best prospect and shows a real competitive fire. Young was projected as a one-and-done lottery pick entering the season, and over his final 10 games he looked as much.

16. Jerami Grant CHI Small Forward / 6-8 / Syracuse / Sophomore 12.2 ppg, 6.9 rpg
Grant lacks readiness, but his athleticism is among the top players in this year's draft. Defensively, he shouldn't have any trouble guarding small forwards. But his skill level makes him a tweener as he is very raw in terms of passing and ballhandling. He's a high-level athlete with great length and quickness. His offensive game showed solid development in his sophomore season at Syracuse. He shows a lot of potential but whether he has given scouts enough to work with and can overcome the tweener label to be a Top 20 pick is the question. The team was not as effective when he went down to injury, but he bounced back quickly and is one of the draft's top overall athletes.

17. Elfrid Payton BOS Point Guard / 6-3 / Louisiana-Lafayette / Junior 19.1 ppg, 6.0 apg, 5.9 rpg
Payton made a name for himself by being a valuable contributor to the Under 19 USA team that won gold in Prague at the World Championships, where he received high praise from all of the coaches. He followed up a tremendous summer by leading the Raging Cajuns into the Big Dance. He is an elite-level athlete for a PG with great length and quickness, and although his shot remains a work in progress, it showed signs of improvement towards the end of the year. Payton has a chance to be a standout starter in the league, which is something that cannot be said about many PGs on the college level. He's still got a long ways to go, but being the age of a sophomore gives him added intrigue. Look for Payton to get looks beginning at the end of the lottery and find a spot in the mid-first round. He has even drawn some comparisons from scouts to another former Payton (Gary) due to his defensive prowess.

18. Kyle Anderson PHX Point Guard / 6-9 / UCLA / Sophomore 14.9 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 6.6 apg
Anderson had among the greatest impacts to their respective team in college this season. His ability to set up teammates and handle the ball at 6-foot-9 is extremely rare. Slow Mo showed excellent improvement between his freshman and sophomore seasons, cutting down on his turnovers and improving upon his assists-per-turnover ratio. He looks much more comfortable creating offense for himself and others and his once inconsistent jumpshot has become much more reliable. He's even became effective from college three-point line. While there is still concern about his lack of speed and quickness, his skill level and length makes him a very intriguing prospect. Becoming a lottery selection now looks well within his grasp.

19. Shabazz Napier CHI Point Guard / 6-1 / Connecticut / Senior 17.4 ppg, 4.9 apg
Nobody's stock improved more with their tourney performance than Napier's, leading the Huskies to their (and his) second national championship in four seasons. Napier went from a player who some criticized for lack of chemistry in past years to the ultimate leader. He refused to allow his team to lose, repeatedly putting the Huskies on his back to "survive and advance". Though he's not an explosive athlete, his talent has never been in question as he shows great quickness and belief in his abilities. His tournament performance has made him a lock for the first round and a player that could challenge to be one of the top point guards selected.

20. Cleanthony Early TOR Power Forward / 6-8 / Wichita State / Senior 15.8 ppg, 5.9 rpg
Early impressed scouts all season with his energy level and outside shooting ability. His excellent tourney performance against Kentucky sealed the deal for him as a likely first rounder. He's without question a tweener for the next level lacking great size to play in the post and skill level to play on the perimeter. But looking at his strengths, he's an above-average athlete who plays with good energy and has excellent touch from the perimeter. After a tremendous season and performance in the NCAA tournament, Early should find a spot in the mid to late first round.

21. TJ Warren OKC Small Forward / 6-8 / North Carolina State / Sophomore 24.8 ppg, 7.2 rpg
Warren is a talented forward with a nose for scoring. He spring boarded off of a solid freshman campaign to become one of the most prolific scorers in the country, third in the nation at over 24 per game. Though just an average NBA level athlete, Warren shows a knack for taking what the defense gives him and is one of those guys that makes the game look easy. He still needs to extend his range and add a three-point shot to his repertoire, but he shows good form on his shot and should be able to improve that over time. Warren's incredible season taking home ACC POY honors virtually locks up a first round selection, and he could even get looks in the late lottery.

22. Glenn Robinson III MEM Small Forward / 6-6 / Michigan / Sophomore 11.0 ppg, 3.8 apg
Probably the biggest head scratcher among the early entrants. GRIII really had a disappointing season, struggling to live up to preseason first team All-American hype. He often found himself as the third option with more assertive teammates Nik Stauskus and Caris LeVert taking over games late. His tourney performance was solid, but he had far too many ups and downs for scouts. Regardless, he should make an excellent role player and could be underrated due to a down sophomore season. He's a player who some thought could be a mid-lottery pick coming into the season, so he might be viewed as one of those "inefficiency in the market" type of prospects.

23. CJ Wilcox UTA Shooting Guard / 6-5 / Washington / Senior 18.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.5 apg
Wilcox isn't flashy but has a solid all around game and underrated athleticism, as his combine numbers reinforced. He's got solid length with a 6-foot-8 wingspan and can fill it up from outside with one of the purest strokes in the draft. Wilcox flew under the radar throughout his college career, but could end up hearing his name called in the first round. He is well liked by scouts due to his composed, mature game and outside shooting ability. While not great at creating offense for himself, if he's put next to a quality point guard, he could become an excellent catch-and-shoot scorer. Wilcox grew up in Utah, with his father having played at Brigham Young, so he would be a good fit for the Jazz. So if he exceeds expectations and becomes a star, Utah would likely have an easier time resigning him than other players.

24. Adreian Payne CHA Power Forward / 6-9 / Michigan State / Senior 15.8 ppg, 7.4 rpg
Payne has proven to be a clutch performer and a true weapon as a three-point shooter. While he still has some work to do as a post threat, his potential to be an inside-outside big forward with high-level athleticism gives him real intrigue. He was a top recruit and stayed four years, developing a once questionable work ethic under Coach Izzo. His jump shot has become extremely accurate with excellent form and rotation. His tournament performance helped him and snagging a late lottery pick is a possibility.

25. Tyler Ennis HOU Point Guard / 6-2 / Syracuse / Freshman 12.7 ppg, 5.6 apg
Ennis turned into one of the most consistent and valuable freshmen in the country, leading the Orange to an undefeated record through more than half the season. Although he lacks elite-level athleticism, he does a good job of changing speeds and getting by defenders into the paint. He's very good at finding teammates for baskets while on the move. His command of the PG position and decision-making were advanced for a college freshman. Ennis' game likely would have benefited from another season or two in college, but as a possible lottery pick, he probably made the right decision from a financial standpoint.

Jballer
05-22-2014, 03:46 PM
Consensus Mock Draft

*source Sportsblog.com my nba draft

Consensus drafts have their faults but honestly this is the closest to the way I think it will go down.

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15 HAWKS
TJ Warren
Ht/Wt: 6' 8" / 233 lbs
Position: SF
Team: NC State
Class: Sophomore


16 *BULLs
Tyler Ennis
Ht/Wt: 6' 2" / 180 lbs
Position: PG
Team: Syracuse
Class: Freshman


17 *CELTICS
Jusuf Nurkic
Ht/Wt: 6'11" / 280 lbs
Position: C
Team: Bosnia
Class: International


18 *SUNS
Clint Capela
Ht/Wt: 6' 11" / 210 lbs
Position: PF
Team: Switzerland
Class: International


19 BULLS
Kyle Anderson
Ht/Wt: 6' 9" / 235 lbs
Position: SF/PF
Team: UCLA
Class: Sophomore


20 RAPTORS
Rodney Hood
Ht/Wt: 6' 8" / 204 lbs
Position: SG/SF
Team: Duke
Class: Sophomore

21 *THUNDER
Adreian Payne
Ht/Wt: 6'10" / 225 lbs
Position: PF
Team: Michigan St.
Class: Junior


22 GRIZZ
Jerami Grant
Ht/Wt: 6' 8" / 203 lbs
Position: SF
Team: Syracuse
Class: Sophomore


23 *JAZZ
KJ McDaniels
Ht/Wt: 6' 6" / 200 lbs
Position: SF
Team: Clemson
Class: Junior


24 *HORNETS
Jordan Adams
Ht/Wt: 6' 5" / 220 lbs
Position: SG
Team: UCLA
Class: Sophomore


25 ROCKETS
Cleanthony Early
Ht/Wt: 6' 8" / 215 lbs
Position: SF
Team: Wichita St.
Class: Senior

Jballer
05-26-2014, 10:47 AM
Ryan Wolstat ‏@WolstatSun 19h
Some of the players Raptors have or plan to interview: Stauskas, Ennis, McDermott, Payton, McDaniels, Kyle Anderson, Smart, possibly Hood

Its only a tweet rumour but Wolstat is no dummy.

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Right now based on a variety of consensus I suspect best available talent:

1) Shooting forward / Shooting Guard / Point Guard

2) Anderson, McDermott, McDaniels, Hood if he drops that low.


I dont think I like McDermott despite his shooting prowess. Scares me a bit. Reminds me too much of the Charolotte pick a couple years ago - guy with diabeties. Cant recall his name but a pure shooter 1 and done in the NBA.

It doesnt sound like Warren will interview ?? If so indication he knows where he is going (above the Raptors) AND / OR wont play for Toronto ??

I see Capella dropping. I suspect Capella is a late 1st round pick likely to Thunder / Heat / San An or some (cap strapped) team that is looking to stash a "pontential" talent on some Euro team for a year or two.

No rumors around PF Early even though a number of drafts have him ranked as best "available" PF around 20 spot.

The thing is on draft day it seems to me that big men tend to rise generally while small forwards / shooting guards tend to drop expect where a team makes a surprise "reach" for the guy they want ala Cavs ala Colangelo's Raptors.

Jballer
05-26-2014, 02:35 PM
Jeff Goodman tweets :

Johnny O'Bryant will work out for Atlanta (Wed), Toronto (Thurs), New York (June 1), Phoenix (June 2) and SA (June 3), source told ESPN

Kyle Anderson set up visits to Atlanta (Thurs), Boston (June 3), Toronto (June 5), source told ESPN. Hawks have 15, Celtics 17, Toronto 20

barkleynash
05-26-2014, 02:42 PM
If Cleanthony Early can be the new Draymond Green, I'd be so pumped to see him. He can play 3 and 4. Guard bigger guys and punish small forwards. Mobile, can shoot it and has an excellent basketball IQ.
Flexibility is so important in todays nba game. A more three man version of Pat pat would be awesome.

Jballer
05-26-2014, 04:10 PM
McDermott - more questions???


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The tape measures were not kind to forward Doug McDermott, the reigning Naismith Player of the Year after a season at Creighton in which he averaged 26.7 points and shot 52.6 percent from the field.

When it came time to measure McDermott at the NBA’s draft combine Thursday, there was disappointment — he was only 6-foot-6.25 without shoes. That should put him at about 6-foot-7.5 with shoes (maybe slightly higher), below the 6-foot-8 at which he was listed by the Bluejays.

The bigger problem is that McDermott’s wingspan is only 6-foot-9.25, which puts him in the company of guards Dante Exum, C.J. Wilcox and Marcus Smart. McDermott is a poor defender, and there was already concern that he would struggle to find a role in the NBA because, as great a scorer as he is, it’s difficult to define his position. These measurements only firm up that worry.

Jballer
05-27-2014, 10:42 AM
Update on Adrien Payne projected potential Raptor pick

Adreian Payne: The athletic stretch four measured with the third biggest wingspan at 7-4 after measuring a 7-foot wingspan in 2009 at the LeBron James Camp. He also has gained 25 pounds since then, which is impressive. Payne had one of the largest height-to-wingspan differentials with a plus-7. Payne's measurable (6-9 no shoes and 239 pounds)

Jballer
05-27-2014, 10:44 AM
Update on K.J McDaniels - prejected potential Raptors Pick

K.J. McDaniels: The Clemson forward showed one of the reasons why he was able to register 1.4 steals and 3.3 blocks per 40 minutes as a small forward last season as he measured with a 6-11

Jballer
05-27-2014, 11:00 AM
Combine results published on line.
* links on NBA draft.net

Of course not all the top picks would work out or be published.

Guys in red all "projected potential" Raptor picks..

Having said that Glenn Robinson3 from Michigan could be included as we was projected around or just under 25 poisition. He only shows up in half the articles on previous page. Michigan guys seem to adjust well to Toronto..

Top 5 No-Step Vert

1. Glenn Robinson III, Markel Brown: 36.5”
2. Cleanthony Early: 34”
3. Zach LaVine, Jahii Carson, Nick Johnson: 33.5”
4. Marcus Smart, KJ McDaniels, Cory Jefferson, Jordan Clarkson: 33”
5. Aaron Gordon: 32.5”

Top Max Vert
1. Markel Brown, Jahii Carson: 43.5”
2. Zach LaVine, Glenn Robinson III, Nick Johnson: 41.5”
3. Cleanthony Early: 40”4. Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Deonte Burton: 39.5”
5. Aaron Gordon: 39”

Top 3 Positional Lane Agility
PG Zach LaVine 10.42, Jordan Clarkson 10.76, Aaron Craft 10.78
SG Dante Exum 10.75, Nik Stauskas 10.79, Nick Johnson 10.80
SF Doug McDermott 11.10, TJ Warren 11.10, Cleanthony Early 11.15
PF Aaron Gordon 10.81, Dwight Powell 11.28, Cameron Bairstow 11.39
C Isaiah Austin 11.00, Patric Young 11.18, Alex Kirk 11.20

[B][U]Top 3 Positional

Jballer
05-27-2014, 11:11 AM
* sourse Washinton Post sport op ed piece

Tyler Ennis projected potential Raptors Pick

We hear so much about Ennis’ lack of athleticism, and some of those claims are fair. But the former Syracuse standout actually tested better than expected at the NBA combine, jumping for a 36-inch max vertical. Meanwhile, his 6-foot-3 body that boasts a 6-foot-7 wingspan means he could match up against point guards of any size.

But with Ennis, it all comes down to elite decision-making. That turnover rate starts to look even more impressive when you realize that defenses began trapping him consistently when he dribbled around screens at the end of the season. That strategy became the best way to stifle a one-dimensional Syracuse offense. Still, Ennis wasn’t giving away the rock.

Jballer
05-27-2014, 01:53 PM
If Cleanthony Early can be the new Draymond Green, I'd be so pumped to see him. He can play 3 and 4. Guard bigger guys and punish small forwards. Mobile, can shoot it and has an excellent basketball IQ.

Cleanthony seems to be a classic tweener 3/4 and actually kind evokes memory of a guy like Corliss Williamson... if you are old enough to remember him.

True tweener 3/4 are awesome players if they are in the right system.. if not it turns into what the Pistons have with Josh...

Draft boards variously list him as PF / SF or just forward.

kmart
05-27-2014, 03:21 PM
Raptors working out Ennis on Thursday. There seems to be a lot of interest there for the Raps. Don't know where he would fit in the scheme if Lowry does resign though.

Qwyjibo
05-27-2014, 03:43 PM
Raptors working out Ennis on Thursday. There seems to be a lot of interest there for the Raps. Don't know where he would fit in the scheme if Lowry does resign though.
Come on, you really don't know?

PG - Lowry
SG - Ennis
SF - Vasquez


https://moremaor.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dwane-casey-the-strongest-candidate-to-be-hired-as-raptors-new-head-coach-nba-special-report-82772.jpeg

Jballer
05-28-2014, 09:30 AM
@ Q - LOL.

"I think" the interest in Ennis is at least partly political. If KLow and agent are demanding money the Raptors are not prepared to pay this interest in Ennis sends a message.

However I dont mind the move personally as indicated earlier. Tyler Ennis is better than Stone / De Colo / Bucyks combined as third off the bench. 3 for 1 so to speak and you would save cap money with one contract @ $1.3M verses 3 minimum salaries @ $900M each. Groom for future.

Also imagine the roster impact.

1) Allows you to bring in a vetern min contract at the 3/4 position. The guy we invited to summer camp for example or an Alan Anderson contributor for reasonable money (the anti Fields)
2) What "potential package" could you land for Gervais Vasquez, Terrence Ross and Amir Johnson ?? Could you land Greg Monroe from the Pistons in a sign and trade ?

Pure speculation on my part but...its the kind of "flexible roster asset" team that Masai built in Denver. Its his modus operandi.

Jballer
05-28-2014, 09:37 AM
Top Talented Picks that could slip into the second round

* source CBS sports online from May 22

I am not sure I agree with KJ McDaniels slipping; in fact I think he may rise but the other two players seem to be strong potential fits with the Raptors 2nd round pick.

Players "projected rumored" the Raptors may select

K.J. McDaniels, Clemson: There's a good chance McDaniels could be snatched up by the end of the first round but if that isn't the case, he'll be found money for whoever drafts him. Armed with great length at 6 feet, 6 inches, McDaniels can defend multiple positions and fits the description of a prototypical NBA wing. Built to be a quality role player at the pro level, McDaniels averaged an 7.1 rebounds and 2.8 blocks for Clemson last season but must improve his outside shooting (30.4 percent from three-point range) if he's to stick as an NBA small forward.

Johnny O'Bryant, LSU: A pure five-man in college, O'Bryant will transition to power forward in the NBA and has the ability to rebound his position from day one. O'Bryant is 6-9 and a legitimate 260. He's a brute who will bang, hit the glass and won't be afraid to mix things up in the paint. The most important thing for O'Bryant at the professional level will be his ability to develop a pick-and-pop game so he can play off his point guard on offense.

Cory Jefferson, Baylor: Jefferson already fits the profile of an NBA power forward. At 6-9 and 220 pounds, Jefferson has the necessary strength to defend his position at the NBA level. Another thing to keep in mind about Jefferson? He made 14 three-point shots last season as a junior after only making three as a sophomore and has shot the ball exceptionally well in early workouts. While he's built like an interior presence, Jefferson has also worked hard to develop a face-up game on offense and that's something that should benefit him moving forward. This should be a rotation player somewhere in the next few seasons.

kmart
05-28-2014, 12:24 PM
Come on, you really don't know?

PG - Lowry
SG - Ennis
SF - Vasquez


https://moremaor.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dwane-casey-the-strongest-candidate-to-be-hired-as-raptors-new-head-coach-nba-special-report-82772.jpeg

Whoops forgot that Vasquez could play the 3 :oldlol:

Jballer
05-28-2014, 12:41 PM
Consensus Mock draft

*nbadraft dot net.

Consensus drafts can be misleading but movement of players up and down lists is informative.

15 *Atlanta Kyle Anderson SF
16 Chicago Dario Saric SF/PF
17 *Boston Adreian Payne PF
18 *Phoenix Tyler Ennis PG
19 Chicago Nik Stauskas SG
20 Toronto TJ Warren SF
21 *Oklahoma Cty Elfrid Payton PG
22 Memphis Shabazz Napier PG
23 *Utah Glenn Robinson III SF
24 *Charlotte Cleanthony Early SF/PF
25 Houston Jordan Clarkson PG/SG

Notes:

GR3's performance at combine in athletic drills must be moving him up.

Ennis moving down although I dont see Suns drafting a PG (garbage)

Stauskas / TJ Warren seem to settle into low first round as opposed to just outside the lottery i.e. 8 - 15 is now 15- 20

Cleanthony moving up.

Legends66NBA7
05-28-2014, 12:47 PM
Come on, you really don't know?

PG - Lowry
SG - Ennis
SF - Vasquez


https://moremaor.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dwane-casey-the-strongest-candidate-to-be-hired-as-raptors-new-head-coach-nba-special-report-82772.jpeg

Don't forget, we already have 5 PG's on the current roster too. He could be thinking:

PG - Lowry
SG - Buckys
SF - De Colo
PF - Stone
C - Vasquez

6th man - Ennis


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Jballer
05-28-2014, 04:00 PM
Adam Zagoria: 6-7 former Buffalo standout Javon McCrea works out today w/ the Chicago Bulls. Also has Philly & Toronto in the next week.

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Eric Koreen: Raptors will release rest of players on morning of. Also will have workouts next TUES, WED, THURS. Twitter @ekoreen

kmart
05-28-2014, 11:39 PM
Don't forget, we already have 5 PG's on the current roster too. He could be thinking:

PG - Lowry
SG - Buckys
SF - De Colo
PF - Stone
C - Vasquez

6th man - Ennis


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http://blogimages.thescore.com/raptorblog/files/2011/03/72124210.jpg

Why'd Masai try to get rid of our size advantage?

Jballer
05-29-2014, 09:42 AM
Updates

Ennis Tyler - not a work out just an interview already done ?
Ryan Wolstat: Masai Ujiri already met with Tyler Ennis at the Combine. Maybe not at workout tomorrow. Was flying somewhere to scout this morning Twitter @WolstatSun

Jordon Bachynski (?? who ??)

Jordan Bachynski: on my way to the airport to fly into Toronto! #DraftDreams #GreatWhiteNorth Twitter

Wolstat on McDaniels Warren Early Anderson et all - piggyback off Celtics

Ryan Wolstat: Interesting workout in Boston June 3rd: K.J. McDaniels, T.J. Warren, Early, Anderson, Daniels, Hairston. Expect Raptors to try to get same. Several players that intrigue Raptors on the list Twitter @WolstatSun

Jballer
05-29-2014, 12:46 PM
Sean Deveney: Tyler Ennis will be working out for the @Toronto Raptors today. But I am told they're not expecting him to be on the board at No. 20. Twitter @SeanDeveney


These later workouts may appear to be one of the two 2nd round picks.

Interesting predispostion to Guards i.e. point guards.

Josh Lewenberg: Also working out for Raptors today: G Jake Odum, G Keith Appling, F Jordan Dykstra, F Ronald Roberts, C Norvel Pelle Twitter @JLew1050

Jballer
05-29-2014, 12:53 PM
Updates fro experts @ bleecher report.

TJ Warren becoming a consensus pick.

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15. Atlanta Hawks: Adreian Payne, Michigan State
The Spartans' big power forward had them poised as favorites to win the NCAA tournament in most brackets. That plan did not pan out, but Payne earned a reasonably high draft pick with his fine season. The Hawks somehow managed to sneak into the playoffs after losing Al Horford, but their lack of depth up front became a major pain along the way.
Payne can cure what ails them.

16. Chicago Bulls (from Charlotte Bobcats): Tyler Ennis, Syracuse
Even if his former coach at Syracuse Jim Boeheim doesn't think he's ready, Ennis will merit a first-round selection somewhere between No. 10 and 20. Every year, the Bulls get ready for a title shot with Derrick Rose, and for three consecutive seasons now, he has not been available for a concerted playoff run.
While Ennis is hardly the answer to Rose's fragility, he would give the team greatly needed depth at the position instead of running poor Kirk Hinrich ragged every night.

17. Boston Celtics (from Brooklyn Nets): Zach LaVine, UCLA
It happens every year. A player who could easily have been drafted in the top 10 bounces down the draft board like a plinko chip on The Price Is Right.
LaVine offers good size as a 6'6" point guard, and that helps his chances at serving as a combo guard in the pros. He certainly has the scoring chops, but he treads the fine line between hunting for buckets and keeping his teammates involved. Also, he only weighs 181 pounds, so keep him away from the skim milk.

18. Phoenix Suns (from Washington Wizards): P.J. Hairston, Texas Legends/UNC
Hairston could have been a higher draft pick, but his career got derailed by an NCAA investigation into improper benefits. As a result, the former leading scorer for the Tar Heels landed in the D-League.
That transition should have helped improve his game for the NBA, though he comes as a roll of the dice. Phoenix does not shy away from risk, and the Suns' front office will be feeling lucky after they aced the Luis Scola trade.

19. Chicago Bulls: Jerami Grant, Syracuse
Grant comes as something of a wild card. The forward has the potential to be a double-double producer in the NBA, but his offensive game has questions surrounding it.
As one unnamed Western Conference player personnel director told Mike Waters of Syracuse.com about Grant: "I like his size and length and athletic ability. He needs to show that he can handle the ball on the perimeter and shoot the ball on the perimeter.''

20. Toronto Raptors: T.J. Warren, NC State
Despite playing on a middling Wolfpack team, Warren poured on the points and averaged 24.9 per night. He showed good skills on both the offensive and defensive boards, and the fluid forward could provide sneaky value after his team missed out on March Madness.

21. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Dallas Mavericks via Houston Rockets and Lakers): Clint Capela, Switzerland
If nothing else, the Serge Ibaka calf injury which held him out of Game 1 and 2 of the Western Conference Finals proved that OKC needs greater depth in the frontcourt. Capela has proved himself as one of the league's best shot-blockers and rebounds, except that was in the French league. Still, the 6'11" Swiss from Geneva would be a boon for the Thunder.
Also, while it might be hard to believe, the Mavs actually traded this pick to the Lakers many moons ago to acquire none other than Lamar Odom.

22. Memphis Grizzlies: Jusuf Nurkic, Bosnia and Herzegovina
The Grizz love their grit and grind, and Nurkic offers the best blend of that at this point in the draft. He has the potential to be a double-double producer, but he needs to work on his conditioning, not to mention staying out of foul trouble.
Don't expect a smooth transition from the Adriatic League, but he could instantly become a potent backup center for a few minutes per night.

23. Utah Jazz (from Golden State Warriors): Kyle Anderson, UCLA
Bruins small forward Kyle Anderson put up 14.6 points, 8.8 rebounds, 6.5 assists and 1.8 steals per game. Good luck finding that kind of production this late in the first round. The Jazz will take everything they can get.

24. Charlotte Hornets (from Portland Trail Blazers): K.J. McDaniels, Clemson
This team has a core of Kemba Walker, Gerald Henderson, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Al Jefferson locked up for next season, but the ever-versatile Josh McRoberts will likely seek a payday in free agency. Having already addressed that small forward position with Saric at No. 9, this is the spot to gamble.
Though somewhat undersized for small forward at 6'6", McDaniels plays big. At Clemson, he turned in 17.1 points, 7.1 rebounds and 2.8 blocks per game last season. Last year, the Knicks drafted one of the best rookies of the 2013-14 season at No. 24 with Tim Hardaway Jr., and the Hornets will be hoping that the 24th pick remains lucky.

25. Houston Rockets: Cleanthony Early, Wichita State
The Rockets love their scoring, and Early did plenty of that on a Shockers team that went undefeated for much of the season. The 6'7" small forward averaged 16.3 points per game, shot 49 percent from the field and 38 percent from downtown. He would be a good fit on the second unit.

Chamberlain
05-29-2014, 04:33 PM
I was thinking earlier about the possibility of picking PJ Hairston as well. To me, the Raptors could use a guy who can consistently shoot the long ball and not be a complete train wreck in every other facet of the game (Novak). I think he'd actually be able to contribute pretty early (tore up the D-League) off of the bench to provide some instant offense.

Jballer
06-02-2014, 06:11 PM
Updates June 2 @ Bleecher report

I wont post everyone here but in essence:

1) Cleanthony Early rises to Chicago (based on combine tests ??)

2) Ennis still a Bulls pick

3) K McDaniels still hovering 2 - 3 picks below Toronto

4) Capela falls again to 25 - questions of if he comes to the NBA and some teams need to stash a pick over seas.



20. Toronto Raptors: T.J. Warren, SF, North Carolina State

Toronto wound up cracking the secret to its woes by limiting the amount of isolation scorers on its roster, but now it could use some more depth in that regard.

When DeMar DeRozan sits, T.J. Warren can pick up some of the scoring slack. Playing with Greivis Vasquez, he won't have to handle everything himself, but the Raptors would certainly benefit from having a bench guy who defenses know can get and make his own shot.

Jballer
06-02-2014, 06:15 PM
I was thinking earlier about the possibility of picking PJ Hairston as well. To me, the Raptors could use a guy who can consistently shoot the long ball and not be a complete train wreck in every other facet of the game (Novak). I think he'd actually be able to contribute pretty early (tore up the D-League) off of the bench to provide some instant offense.

I dont know him or his game but Hairston is all over the map in terms of censensus picks - 2nd only to McDermott (10th -30th). In that I mean my posts and various sources have him 15 -20 range and 25- to early 2nd round.

I wonder if his suspension is a "maturity thing" with some scouts ?? A red flag so to speak.

Does anyone know if he got game? any utube linkys ?

Jballer
06-02-2014, 06:23 PM
Ryan Wolstat: Melvin Ejim expected to be one of players in for a Raptors workout tomorrow. Twitter @WolstatSun

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Of interest mostly because Suns pick 14 / 18 / and 27 !

A number of names rumored as Raptor targets.


Michael Scotto: Phoenix Suns worked out NBA prospects Zach LaVine, Gary Harris, Rodney Hood, James Young, Clint Capela and Johnny O'Bryant today. #NBADraft Twitter @MikeAScotto

Chamberlain
06-02-2014, 09:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVqGHX0mZY0

A video of some highlights from one of Hairston's 40 point games this year.

[QUOTE]Strengths: Hairston is a very effective scorer, both inside and out

Jballer
06-03-2014, 11:00 AM
InsideHoops Mock Draft 1.0

Toronto Raptors select ???????

Someone want to send Jay a pm ??

:cheers:

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2014 NBA MOCK DRAFT
By Jeff Lenchiner. Updated May 28, 2014

1) Cleveland Cavaliers: Andrew Wiggins - SG, 6'8", 200lbs, Kansas

2) Milwaukee Bucks: Jabari Parker - SF, 6'8", 241lbs, Duke

3) Philadelphia 76ers: Joel Embiid - C, 7'0", 250 lbs, Kansas

4) Orlando Magic: Dante Exum - PG, 6'6", 188 lbs, Australia

5) Utah Jazz: Julius Randle - PF, 6'9", 225 lbs, Kentucky

6) Boston Celtics: Aaron Gordon - PF, 6'8", 210 lbs, Arizona

7) Los Angeles Lakers: Marcus Smart - PG, 6'4", 225 lbs, Oklahoma State

8) Sacramento Kings: Noah Vonleh - PF, 6'10", 240 lbs, Indiana

9) Charlotte (From Detroit): Gary Harris - SG, 6'4", 210 lbs, Michigan State

10) Philadelphia (From New Orleans): Doug McDermott - SF, 6'7", 225 lbs, Creighton

11) Denver Nuggets: Dario Saric - PF, 6'10", 225 lbs, Croatia

12) Orlando (From New York via Denver): Tyler Ennis - PG, 6'2", 180 lbs, Syracuse

13) Minnesota Timberwolves: Rodney Hood - F, 6'8", 215 lbs, Duke

14) Phoenix Suns: James Young - SF, 6'7", 200 lbs, Kentucky

15) Atlanta Hawks: Nik Stauskas - SG, 6'6", 191 lbs, Michigan

Expanded NBA Mock Draft coming every few days throughout May

16. Chicago (From Charlotte)
17. Boston (From Brooklyn)
18. Phoenix (From Washington)
19. Chicago
20. Toronto
21. Oklahoma City (From Dallas via Houston and LA Lakers)
22. Memphis
23. Utah (From Golden State)
24. Charlotte (From Portland)
25. Houston
26. Miami
27. Phoenix (From Indiana)
28. LA Clippers
29. Oklahoma City
30. San Antonio


Read more at http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-mock-draft.shtml#PDJ843LFlZb7QTYH.99

Jballer
06-03-2014, 11:11 AM
2nd rounders I guess
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Jeff Goodman: Toronto Raptors will host Jordan Clarkson and a pair of Canadians tomorrow in Khem Birch and Melvin Ejim, per sources. Twitter @GoodmanESPN

Josh Lewenberg: Raptors will get a look at 4 guards this AM. Jordan Clarkson is a big PG, won All-SEC 2nd Team honours as a junior w/ Missouri last year Twitter @JLew1050

Josh Lewenberg: At 5-11 ASU's Jahii Carson is known for his speed/athleticism, Russ Smith won a national championship w/ Louisville in 2013 Twitter @JLew1050

Josh Lewenberg: Arizona's Nick Johnson is a 6-3 combo guard & the reigning Pac 12 Player of the Year, nephew of Hall of Famer Dennis Johnson Twitter @JLew1050

Jballer
06-03-2014, 02:48 PM
Nik Stauskas is more than a shooter.

- Not likely available to the Raptors selecting at 20th
- Unless the Raptors somehow move up picks
- Currently projected closely between 10 - 16 in most mock draft picks
- Added only because of the Canadian / Lithuanian content

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20140603/nik-stauskas-nba-draft/

Jballer
06-04-2014, 11:14 AM
Workouts Update :

On Tuesday, the Raptors worked out Louisville guard Russ Smith, Arizona guard Nick Johnson, Missouri guard Jordan Clarkson, Buffalo forward Javon McCrea and Gonzaga forward San Dower. Afterward, Raptors director of scouting Dan Tolzman, who Masai Ujiri hired shortly after he took over as general manager last year, spoke with the media on those players and the entire draft, which he has been scouting all year long. On impressions of the draft as a whole: [COLOR="Red"]

Jballer
06-04-2014, 11:21 AM
Updated Mannix Mock Draft
*source CNNSI


15. Atlanta Hawks -- Zach LaVine, G, UCLA freshman, 6-6, 181
No player has more athletic potential in the 2014 draft than LaVine. Can he harness it? That remains to be seen. LaVine was the definition of streaky last year, shooting at a blistering clip in the first month of the season before tailing off badly at the end of it. LaVine is determined to become a point guard, though several interested teams see him as a two. It's similar to how some teams felt about another uber-athletic UCLA guard: Russell Westbrook.

16. Chicago Bulls -- P.J. Hairston, G, D-League's Texas Legends (21 years old), 6-5, 229
The Bulls badly need a scorer, and Hairston averaged 21.8 points in 26 games in the D-League. Scouts are divided on the significance of D-League numbers, though, and Hairston's history -- he left North Carolina early last season after an NCAA investigation into improper use of rental cars -- is a concern. But imagine what Tom Thibodeau could do with a player with Hairston's size and skills if he is willing to buy in.

17. Boston Celtics -- Jusuf Nurkic, C, Bosnia (19 years old), 6-11, 280
The Celtics need a center -- the 6-9 Jared Sullinger is better suited for power forward -- and Nurkic is the best on the board. Nurkic is a physical player with soft hands and a knack for finishing around the basket. He's raw, having started playing in 2009, but Boston ownership is willing to rebuild slowly. Nurkic, who has been compared to Minnesota's Nikola Pekovic, has a huge upside.

18. Phoenix Suns -- James Young, G, Kentucky freshman, 6-7, 213
With its second of three first-round picks, the Suns can continue to load up on perimeter threats with Young. He was a streaky shooter at Kentucky last season, sinking only 34.9 percent from beyond the arc, but he has great size and athleticism at shooting guard. Bledsoe is 6-1 and Dragic is 6-3, so Young would offer an interesting contrast in Phoenix's backcourt. The Suns could look for a player to stash overseas here, too.

19. Chicago Bulls -- T.J. Warren, F, NC State sophomore, 6-8, 220
Warren is a pure scorer. He is something of a throwback, with most of his production coming from well-angled drives and a polished mid-range game. He also rebounds well for his position. Warren isn't much of a three-point shooter (26.7 percent last season), but Bulls fans might remember another small forward who developed that shaky part of his game with the team: Luol Deng. Warren doesn't have Deng's defensive instincts, but he has enormous offensive potential.

20. Toronto Raptors -- Tyler Ennis, G, Syracuse freshman, 6-3, 182
Could Ennis really fall this far? It's possible. While Ennis is a steady playmaker and effective pick-and-roll player, there are questions about his athleticism and his ability to make plays off the dribble against NBA defenders. The Raptors would eagerly snag the Toronto-born Ennis here to either back up pending free agent Kyle Lowry or be in the mix to replace him.

21. Oklahoma City Thunder -- Elfrid Payton, G, Louisiana-Lafayette junior, 6-4, 185
With Derek Fisher likely gone, Oklahoma City has an opening for another guard in the rotation. Payton made only 30 three-pointers in three seasons with the Ragin' Cajuns, but he's an effective slashing scorer and a strong defender. The forward-thinking Thunder are also aware of what guard Reggie Jackson could cost when he becomes a restricted free agent after next season.

22. Memphis Grizzlies -- K.J. McDaniels, SF, Clemson junior, 6-6, 196
The Grizzlies -- who are being run by interim boss Chris Wallace -- have a need at small forward, where Tayshaun Prince is entering the last year of his contract. McDaniels is a superior athlete and shot blocker and was one of the most improved players in college basketball last season, averaging 17.1 points, 7.1 rebounds and 2.8 blocks.

23. Utah Jazz -- Cleanthony Early, SF, Wichita State, 6-7, 209
Early will have to adjust to life as a full-time small forward, but NBA executives liked what they saw from him at the combine. He is a solid shooter and rebounder who plays well in transition. An oft-asked question about Early: Is he quick enough to defend threes? If he is, he could be a steal.

24. Charlotte Hornets -- Clint Capela, PF, Switzerland (20 years old), 6-11, 222
Hornets coach Steve Clifford loves defenders, and the long, athletic Capela has huge potential. Capela is a very good athlete whom international scouts say improved significantly as a defender last season with Elan Chalon in France. Capela may be a draft-and-stash candidate, but don't be surprised if a strong player development coach like Clifford wants to get his hands on him early.

25. Houston Rockets -- Kristaps Porzingis, PF, Latvia (18 years old), 7-0, 220
The Rockets' search for a stretch four continues. Porzingis is raw and didn't put up eye-popping numbers in Spain last season, but he has a smooth shooting stroke -- which any team with Dwight Howard will love -- and excels in transition. It could be years before Porzingis is NBA-ready, but he has the potential to develop into a dynamic offensive player.

Chamberlain
06-04-2014, 02:32 PM
Going to try to reply to the past few posts here, bare with me if my thoughts get jumbled.

- Jeff's mock draft is terrible, in my opinion. Sorry, Jeff.
- With the exception of Jordan Clarkson, all of those guys working out for the Raptors should be available at #37, possibly even #59. Clarkson may be a first rounder, though.
- If Stauskas is available at #20, you draft him and flee the scene ASAP so as to not get arrested.
- I'd love to see the Raptors trade their way into a top10 pick, but it will likely cost #20, one of the second rounders, and a roster player (if its just an expiring contract, do it).
- Would like it if Ennis fell to #20, but if Elfrid Payton is also there, I take Payton 10 times out of 10.

It sounds like this is going to be a really ridiculous draft. Lots of movement near the top. Some of those top7 teams are looking to trade down for either proven talent or multiple later picks. I really hope Masai continues to be aggressive and finds away to get a home run of a pick.

Legends66NBA7
06-05-2014, 03:23 AM
Jacked this from the main board (ESPN Insider Request):

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Jballer
06-05-2014, 09:37 AM
Workouts:

Following Tuesday's auditions, a pair of combo guards, Jordan Clarkson and Nick Johnson - also expected to go in the second round - echoed a similar sentiment. Versatility will also be a valuable commodity when the Raptors make their first-round selection at pick no. 20. UCLA's Kyle Anderson is a point guard in a 6-foot-9 body, athletic Clemson product K.J. McDaniels can defend multiple positions, while NC State's T.J. Warren projects as a versatile and unconventional scorer. All three wing players are expected to workout in Toronto later this week.

Jballer
06-05-2014, 09:39 AM
Mock Draft

* source TSN.ca

Sorry too hard to format the entire 15 -20 range other than to say the predictions are in line with others.

Tyler goes before Toronto picks
Warren also gone
McDaniels hovers just below our pick
Levine and other same names in the mix


20. Toronto Raptors

Will Strickland
Duane Watson

PG Kyle Anderson, UCLA

SF Cleanthony Early, Wichita State

Strickland: Masai Ujiri will seek insurance against losing one of his PG leaders in Kyle Lowry or Greveis Vasquez. Anderson may be the answer.

Watson: Early is strong, athletic and a great scorer, but will have to work on extending his range. A top player on an often-underrated team, his underdog mentality will fit right in with the Raptors.

Jballer
06-06-2014, 11:15 AM
Mock Draft

*updated consensus source mynbadraft

In a nod to Chamberlain.. Clint comes to Toronto.

Perhaps the "ch-man" is now a sports expert author :cheers:

15 Hawks
James Young
Ht/Wt: 6' 7"/200 lbs
Position: SF
Team: Kentucky
Class: Freshman

16 *Bulls
Tyler Ennis
Ht/Wt: 6' 2"/180 lbs
Position: PG
Team: Syracuse
Class: Freshman

17 *Celtics
Rodney Hood
Ht/Wt: 6' 8"/204 lbs
Position: SG/SF
Team: Duke
Class: Sophomore

18 *Suns
TJ Warren
Ht/Wt: 6' 8"/233 lbs
Position: SF
Team: NC State
Class: Sophomore

19 Bulls
Adreian Payne
Ht/Wt: 6'10"/225 lbs
Position: PF
Team: Michigan St.
Class: Junior

20 Raptors
Clint Capela
Ht/Wt: 6' 11"/210 lbs
Position: PF
Team: Switzerland
Class: International

21 *Thunder
Kyle Anderson
Ht/Wt: 6' 9"/235 lbs
Position: SF/PF
Team: UCLA
Class: Sophomore

22 Grizz
Jerami Grant
Ht/Wt: 6' 8"/203 lbs
Position: SF
Team: Syracuse
Class: Sophomore

23 * Jazz
KJ McDaniels
Ht/Wt: 6' 6"/200 lbs
Position: SF
Team: Clemson
Class: Junior

24 *Hornets
Jordan Adams
Ht/Wt: 6' 5"/220 lbs
Position: SG
Team: UCLA
Class: Sophomore

25 Rockets
Cleanthony Early
Ht/Wt: 6' 8"/215 lbs
Position: SF
Team: Wichita St.
Class: Senior

Chamberlain
06-06-2014, 04:35 PM
I think I'd be okay with the Raptors taking Clint Capella but I also don't think it will happen. After the success the team experienced this year, I think Masai is going to try and draft a player who can contribute right away. Capella, at best, is a few years from making an impact, and maybe even a year or two away from making the jump to the NBA. I think he has a bright future, but not anytime soon.

This is going to be an interesting draft for the Raptors. They have point guard depth, wing depth (though an improvement would be great) and a good rotation of bigs. It seems to me like they might just take the best/most versatile player available, which is never a bad strategy when picking outside of the lottery.

Jballer
06-12-2014, 12:15 PM
Workouts:

- more Capela news


Josh Lewenberg: Working out for the Raptors today: C Clint Capela, C Artem Klimenko, F LaQuinton Ross, F Jamil Wilson, G Markel Brown, G Markel Starks Twitter @JLew1050

Jballer
06-12-2014, 12:17 PM
Still no updated Mock Draft from InsideHoops.com

At least not one with picks predicted in the 15-30 range.

:facepalm

Umm guys the draft is 15 days away.

Chamberlain
06-12-2014, 04:42 PM
Chamberlain Mock Draft Version 1.0

1. Cleveland Cavaliers

Joel Embiid - As long as is back checks out, and all reports indicate that it has, he should be number one. Long, strong, athletic and only still learning the game. Embiid could be a top 3 center within 2-3 years.

2. Milwaukee Bucks

Jabari Parker - Personally I think Wiggins will be the superior player, but I've always felt (and am hearing reports) that the Bucks prefer Parker. He'll be an offensive force for many years and he fills a position of great need.

3. Philadelphia 76ers

Andrew Wiggins - No brainer, could be 1, 2, or 3. The most upside of anyone in the draft save for maybe Embiid, will impact games defensively and on the run almost immediately. Big time star potential.

4. Orlando Magic

Dante Exum - The big unknown, but apparently they love him in Orlando. Big combo guard who is still learning to play like a true PG, a boat load of potential but also a pretty big risk.

5. Utah Jazz

Marcus Smart - I could see him as a big, strong, powerful combo guard in Utah, either replacing Trey Burke or playing beside him. I don't know how well that mix would work but Smart seems like a Jazz type of player and its hard to see too many teams passing on him.

6. Boston Celtics

Noah Vonleh - I could see this kid turning into a LaMarcus Aldridge type player. He's tall, long, strong, and athletic. Very good rebounder, decent mid range game that has been improving and some pretty nice post moves. This pick is rumoured to be in play in a Kevin Love deal, but assuming to trade is made, Vonleh should be their guy.

7. Los Angeles Lakers

Julius Randle - The Lakers will want somebody who they think can contribute right away, and with no depth anywhere at their roster, they take the player who is physically most ready to play and won't need to compete with Kobe for shots.

8. Sacramento Kings

Doug McDermott - The best scorer in the draft, hands down. Questions will arise about his athletic ability but he is big and strong and knows how to get open. Might be a nightmare defensively, but the Kings have a pretty formidable tandem in the paint to cover for him.

9. Charlotte Bobca...Hornets

Nik Stauskas - Best shooter in the draft. They've got a blossoming point guard, a decent low post combo, and a great athlete/defender on the wing. The missing piece to this puzzle is a shooter who can also create his own shots. Stauskas is athletic, can get to the rim, and of can hit the 3 at a very high clip.

10. Philadelphia 76ers

Aaron Gordon - The most athletic player in this draft aside from Wiggins. Could be a defensive force in the future and a guy who can net you a lot of hustle points. Having a future lineup in Philly consisting of Noel/Gordon/Wiggins/??/MCW, could be the scariest defensive and running team in the league.

11. Denver Nuggets

Gary Harris - Denver seems to always make an unsexy, safe pick. I'm not big on Harris, but he's a good shooter, good defender, and he's still young.

12. Orlando Magic

Rodney Hood - Deceptively quick and athletic, a good perimeter threat and has the ability to add some offensive punch to this lineup. Having Exum and Hood on your wing for the future is a great starting point.

13. Minnesota Timberwolves

Dario Saric - I have visions of Love being moved, and Rubio and Saric being the starting point of the new era San Antonio Spurs. Not in terms of dominance and longevity, but in the way the game is played with beautiful ball movement and efficient offensive possessions.

14. Phoenix Suns

Zach Lavine - Crazy athlete, still learning the game and honing his skills. Phoenix is in a very good position to make the playoffs next year, and while adding somebody who can contribute right away would be great, they have two other picks to draft somebody with a lower ceiling or a proven roster player.

15. Atlanta Hawks

James Young - Super athletic kind of do-it-all kind of guy. Stepped up huge in the NCAA tournament, really making a name for himself. His athleticism is obvious, but you could see growth in his all around game throughout the year. Still a project, but could end up being a steal at #15.

16. Chicago Bulls

Adreian Payne - An NBA ready player. Will likely be nothing more than a glue guy, but if Derrick Rose is healthy, a stretch 4 who can rebound, pick and pop, and play defense, it would be a great fit.

17. Boston Celtics

TJ Warren - If there is a Rondo trade, the Celtics will take Payton here, but assuming there are no moves, and the Celtics taking a PF with their earlier pick, they fill another hole; wing scoring/depth. TJ Warren is a guy who just knows how to score, and he's no slouch on defense either. Could be a potential starter very early in his career.

18. Phoenix Suns

Jusuf Nurkic - Massive center, a player Phoenix desperately needs after trading away Marcin Gortat for peanuts. It will take him a few years to adjust and be NBA ready, but they have a young core and can wait a few years for him to make an impact.

19. Chicago Bulls

Elfrid Payton - Very tough, defensive minded PG who can get to the rim. Is a pretty good playmaker, though his shooting mechanics need a lot of work. Would be great in a role backing up Derrick Rose, and even sharing a back court with him at times. They have the potential to be lethal together.

20. Toronto Raptors

Tyler Ennis - With Lowry's future in question, Toronto should try to play it safe and grab some PG depth so they don't leave themselves with a NBDL player in their starting backcourt. Ennis is a true point guard, thinks the game at a high level, but is a subpar athlete. I can see him being great in half court settings, an area where the Raptors need to improve.

21. Oklahoma City Thunder

Kristaps Porzingis - Tall, long and athletic. Needs to bulk up but has very good fundamentals on each side of the floor. Rumour has it that OKC have a promise with him to take him in the first round. They'd better do it at #21 rather than #29 because he will not fall that far.

22. Memphis Grizzlies

Clint Capella - Very long and athletic big man. Very raw at this point but you can see flashes of brilliance in his game. Memphis has decent depth at all positions, but with Zach Randolph getting older and less mobile, the Grizzlies could use a young player to boost some energy into the lineup.

23. Utah Jazz

Jerami Grant - Fantastic athlete and two way player. Limited star potential, but he's a case of low risk/medium reward. Should be a serviceable rotation player for many years. The Jazz are lacking skill at the SF position, and this fills a need.

24. Charlotte Horncats

KJ McDaniels - An athletic defender, similar to MKG. Both have the ability to get to the rim and play tough perimeter defense. I can see a dangerous lineup with both KJ/MKG on the wings with Jefferson or Biyombo down low.

25. Houston Rockets

Kyle Anderson - Has the skill to go much, much higher, but his lack of athleticism and perceived poor work ethic will make him drop. Houston is loaded with athletes, and while they have talented point guards, they are not traditional play makers. Anderson fills the void of having someone who is always thinking to make the play for other players.

26. Miami Heat

Shabazz Napier - Miami's PG situation in the playoffs has been a nightmare. Chalmers can't stay on the court or keep up with an injured Tony Parker, and while Norris Cole is playing well, he's pretty one dimensional. Napier gives them a kid with fire and a winning pedigree who doesn't shy away from the big moments. His toughness is needed on a team who has sky high expectations every single year.

27. Phoenix Suns

Damien Inglis - The first real sleeper pick for me in this draft. Incredible athleticism and defensive talent. Very raw offensively but has some good natural instincts. I could see the Suns potentially drafting him and keeping him overseas for a year or two to continue his development.

28. Los Angeles Clippers

Jordan Clarkson - A do-it-all combo guard. Their guard depth was tested in the playoffs this year, and a Clarkson type player who can come in for CP3 and keep things steady is sorely needed.

29. Oklahoma City Thunder

Bogdan Bogdanovich - Could go much higher based on his potential to stay overseas and develop, but Bogdanovich is a good all around player who doesn't really have many weaknesses. He's a big game player and should be an effective part of any NBA bench.

30. San Antonio Spurs

Jarnell Stokes - Stokes will have a Leonard-like impact in terms of boosting the teams youth and energy levels. He's a skilled rebounder, shot blocker and defender. Not a really polished low post game, but is incredibly strong and bullies his way into the paint. Under the tutelage of Duncan and Diaw, he could grow into a decent starter someday.

Second Round notables

#37 Toronto Raptors - Cleanthony Early
#41 Denver Nuggets - Dwight Powell
#43 Atlanta Hawks - Khem Birch
#44 Minnesota Timberwolves - PJ Hairston
#58 San Antonio Spurs - Melvin Ejim
#59 Toronto Raptors - Jordan Bachynski

Chamberlain
06-12-2014, 04:51 PM
Questions and comments encouraged.

Jballer
06-13-2014, 03:49 PM
Questions and comments encouraged.

Wow :cheers:

I dont think Ennis gets past Boston and Chicago who both need a "steady hand" for quality minutes behind Rajon and Rose. Its possible some PG rich team (Cavaliers / Kings ) trade down and Ennis slips - but neither Chicago or Boston have the pieces to pry away those high picks. You have Payton > Ennis by one spot ... maybe... not sure.... but Jame Young and Nurik are the two guys lower than you predict that move Payton and Ennis up.

I dont think Cleanthony is around that late... but if you substitute GRIII I think you may be correct.

Chamberlain
06-14-2014, 09:57 PM
Wow :cheers:

I dont think Ennis gets past Boston and Chicago who both need a "steady hand" for quality minutes behind Rajon and Rose. Its possible some PG rich team (Cavaliers / Kings ) trade down and Ennis slips - but neither Chicago or Boston have the pieces to pry away those high picks. You have Payton > Ennis by one spot ... maybe... not sure.... but Jame Young and Nurik are the two guys lower than you predict that move Payton and Ennis up.

I dont think Cleanthony is around that late... but if you substitute GRIII I think you may be correct.

Thanks for the feedback, Jballer.

Ennis may go much higher, but as is the case in every draft, a good player or two always slips. With Boston, I feel everything depends on the Love speculation. If they don't get him, they may trade Rondo, which would mean they probably try to get a PG at #6 if he's available (Smart or Exum), or pick one up at #17 (Ennis or Payton). Personally, I feel Payton is better suited to play in the NBA, but I can understand why someone else would have their values reversed. If everything stays "as is", Boston picks a SF at #17 if they can, and leave Phil Pressey as the backup PG for now. Chicago picked up DJ Augustine after the Raptors let him go and he's been great in their system, I don't see them taking a PG.

Are you saying that James Young and Nurkic will be picked sooner? Or later?

As for Early, I feel like the hype that was created around him during the season and tournament have kind of leveled off. He's a pure tweener, lacking strength to play in the post and ball skills to play on the perimeter. I think people are starting to see that his potential is quite limited. I think best case scenario for Early is that he is an energy type bench player who can give you an advantage if you're playing small ball. I think he slips to the 2nd round on draft night.

barkleynash
06-15-2014, 04:30 PM
My draft board looks like this. Fifty fifty chance that Payton or Ennis falls to us at 20. Early and Mcdaniels will most surely be there for us. Capella and Porzingas will both probably be there for us. Maybe only one.

My big board would be Ennis, Payton, Capella, Porzingas, Mcdaniels, Early.

If we don't draft a wing expect Ujiri to bring in a free-agent wing defender.
If we draft a point guard, de colo will be gone.
If we draft a post player Hansbrough will be gone.
I feel like Fields should get a shot at playing regular bench minutes, mostly with ross on the floor.
Great guard play is so crucial. i don't think the raps will let either payton or Ennis go undrafted if they fall to 20.

Thoughts?

Chamberlain
06-15-2014, 07:36 PM
I agree with all of that. Whether its through the draft or free agency, another SF will be brought in. I also agree with Fields playing more regular minutes. He's a good glue guy, does a little bit of everything, its just that his contract is horrific. If he's there, you should play him and try to make it at least semi-worth it. Though, I would not hesitate to move him for almost anything that brings cap relief.

It'll be an interesting draft, though, with Lowry's status still up in the air. If he's leaving, you 100% need a PG coming in.

Jballer
06-16-2014, 10:04 AM
Thanks for the feedback, Jballer.

Boston - Rondo - Love

Are you saying that James Young and Nurkic will be picked sooner? Or later?

As for Early....

I could be wrong but I think Love to Boston is smoke screen ; especially with a new rookie coach. Boston wont accelerate the rebuild unless they get two or three all -stars ; certainly it make no sense to accelerate the rebuild by getting Love and trading Rondo.... I mean Love / Rondo and <<insert here>> have to be the selling point to get Love to wear Celtic green.

Young and Nurik drop into the 21 - 28 range. Young is atheletic swing man project and Nurik is a big man project. Neither of these guys are talented enough as projects to crack top 10. There are too many others like them including FA and RFA. These are they type of guys Late round teams can take a chance on because they "may be special someday" and if these guys play in D League or overseas they stay off the cap.

Early... nope I disagree. Small Ball mantra with shooting is in style in the NBA. Tweeners that can rebound... small ball power forwards (Melo ? etc ) are in vogue. There is a danger they dont get positional play and away from the ball right away...but Early is too polished and too good a shooter. My best Guestimate is picks 25 - 30

Jballer
06-16-2014, 10:11 AM
My draft board looks like this. Fifty fifty chance that Payton or Ennis falls to us at 20. Early and Mcdaniels will most surely be there for us. Capella and Porzingas will both probably be there for us. Maybe only one.

My big board would be Ennis, Payton, Capella, Porzingas, Mcdaniels, Early.

If we don't draft a wing expect Ujiri to bring in a free-agent wing defender.
If we draft a point guard, de colo will be gone.
If we draft a post player Hansbrough will be gone.
I feel like Fields should get a shot at playing regular bench minutes, mostly with ross on the floor.
Great guard play is so crucial. i don't think the raps will let either payton or Ennis go undrafted if they fall to 20.

Thoughts?


Well Ennis / Payton make sense : 1) You can eliminate the contracts of De Colo / Stone / Bucyks i.e. 3 for 1 and a rookie deal at that. You save about $1.5 Million on the cap.

But I disagree Enis / Payton is around.

Despite what mock draftsand the experts say...(it does change from year to year) but in general :

1) Big men seem to rise up the board as you cant teach size.
2) PG tend to rise secondly and are picked over swing men. PG is a very discipline skill need each team need
3) Swing men 2/3 - and atheltic swing men tend to drop slightly as there are always a lot available in the draft. Further there are always more of them available as FA...

2/3 my be the guys that win championships - I get that - but there are hundreds in the league for every 1% (Melo,LBron, Wade, Pierce etc) Further the 1% actually play everywhere on the floor including the 4 and even the 5 for some minutes.

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My big board would be :

One of TJ Warren, Adrien Payne , James Young is available plus

Capella, Porzingas, Mcdaniels, Early.

Chamberlain
06-16-2014, 01:52 PM
I get what you're saying Jballer, about the small ball taking over. As a former post player, I'm still partial to the thinking that teams need a conventional C and PF :oldlol:

Early wouldn't surprise me if he went #20, he also wouldn't surprise me if he went #40. To me, he's one of the hardest guys to read.

Kristaps Porzingas withdrew his name from the draft, along with a few other players. I'll be releasing the long awaited Version 2.0 of Chamberlain's Mock Draft in the near future to reflect these changes.

Jballer
06-18-2014, 11:49 AM
Mock Draft :
source Inside Hoops


2014 NBA MOCK DRAFT
Updated June 17, 2014

1) Cleveland Cavaliers: Andrew Wiggins - SG, 6'8", 200lbs, Kansas

2) Milwaukee Bucks: Jabari Parker - SF, 6'8", 241lbs, Duke

3) Philadelphia 76ers: Joel Embiid - C, 7'0", 250 lbs, Kansas

4) Orlando Magic: Marcus Smart - PG, 6'4", 225 lbs, Oklahoma State

5) Utah Jazz: Julius Randle - PF, 6'9", 225 lbs, Kentucky

6) Boston Celtics: Aaron Gordon - PF, 6'8", 210 lbs, Arizona

7) Los Angeles Lakers: Dante Exum - PG, 6'6", 188 lbs, Australia

8) Sacramento Kings: Noah Vonleh - PF, 6'10", 240 lbs, Indiana

9) Charlotte (From Detroit): Gary Harris - SG, 6'4", 210 lbs, Michigan State

10) Philadelphia (From New Orleans): Doug McDermott - SF, 6'7", 225 lbs, Creighton

11) Denver Nuggets: Dario Saric - PF, 6'10", 225 lbs, Croatia

12) Orlando (From New York via Denver): Tyler Ennis - PG, 6'2", 180 lbs, Syracuse

13) Minnesota Timberwolves: Rodney Hood - F, 6'8", 215 lbs, Duke

14) Phoenix Suns: Zach LaVine - G, 6'5", 180 lbs, UCLA

15) Atlanta Hawks: Nik Stauskas - SG, 6'6", 191 lbs, Michigan

16) Chicago Bulls (From Charlotte): James Young - SF, 6'7", 200 lbs, Kentucky

17) Boston Celtics (From Brooklyn): Adreian Payne - F, 6'10", 245 lbs, Michigan State

18) Phoenix Suns (From Washington): P.J. Hairston - G, 6'6", 220 lbs, UNC

19) Chicago Bulls: Elfrid Payton - G, 6'3", 190 lbs, Louisiana-Lafayette

20) Toronto Raptors: T.J. Warren - F, 6'8", 215 lbs, North Carolina State

Expanded NBA Mock Draft coming every few days

21. Oklahoma City (From Dallas via Houston and LA Lakers)
22. Memphis
23. Utah (From Golden State)
24. Charlotte (From Portland)
25. Houston

Read more at http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-mock-draft.shtml#ftlJ0cKy8jtRfyoe.99

Jballer
06-18-2014, 11:58 AM
I get what you're saying Jballer, about the small ball taking over. As a former post player, I'm still partial to the thinking that teams need a conventional C and PF :oldlol:


I think size (wingspan as a function of size) still gets rated highly. You still cant teach size. Size generally is picked higher and "ceiling potential for 2/3 picked lower" in the average draft.

As you say in this era of small ball, inside out game, pick and roll teams still value size to set high picks 20 feet out at the top of the key and size to have a turnaround face to the basket game for 15 foot shots on rotation mismatches. They may not want Chuck and Drex pounding inside old school half court offense but they do want open looks when a guy shoots with 4 inch size mismatch advantage over a rotation defender. Face to the bucket should result in RBs as well.

PGs too tend to rise in general in my opinion as a skill pick. Brandon Roy, DRose, Liliard ... I mean Lilliard came from small school small program yet teams were willing to reach for him. Hence I am tending to think the bigs and PGs will get picked over some 2/3 players with "potential" ala TJ Warren / Young / Levine etc

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Seemingly only the Raptors (and Cavs) seem to "reach" for 2-3 in the draft be it TRoss, Joey Graham etc

Jballer
06-18-2014, 12:02 PM
I'll be releasing the long awaited Version 2.0 of Chamberlain's Mock Draft in the near future to reflect these changes.

I have the simple game in another thread... ? :cheers:

Jballer
06-18-2014, 03:27 PM
Mock Draft 3.0
Source Mannix at CNNSI

KJ McDaniels rises - his atletic performance at combine in play
Zach Levine ditto
Warren drops
More odds on Ennis

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15. Atlanta Hawks -- Jusuf Nurkic, C, Bosnia (19 years old), 6-11, 280
Atlanta drafted two international players in the first round last year and can grab another with a big upside here. Nurkic is raw, but the big, physical center has soft hands and tools that remind some scouts of Minnesota's Nikola Pekovic.

16. Chicago Bulls -- P.J. Hairston, G, D-League's Texas Legends (21 years old), 6-5, 229
Chicago has been aggressively shopping its two first-round picks, according to league sources, with an eye on either moving up for a shot at a better player or flipping them for a veteran scorer. Hairston put up some big numbers in the D-League after being exiled from North Carolina and has great size and strength for his position.

17. Boston Celtics -- James Young, G, Kentucky freshman, 6-7, 213
Young has been getting solid reviews in his workouts as teams continue to believe that the wingman, who put up pedestrian shooting numbers at Kentucky, will develop into a dangerous perimeter shooter. With Avery Bradley headed towards restricted free agency, the Celtics need some insurance. This pick, like No. 6, could be a trade chip, too.

18. Phoenix Suns -- Zach LaVine, G, UCLA freshman, 6-6, 181
Where will LaVine go? His stock is all over the board. He has off the charts athleticism and showed occasional flashes of a nice jumper at UCLA. In Phoenix, LaVine brings a little more size to a smallish backcourt and should thrive in Jeff Hornacek's up-tempo system.

19. Chicago Bulls -- K.J. McDaniels, SF, Clemson junior, 6-6, 196
This is another pick the Bulls are willing to deal, according to sources. McDaniels is a spectacular athlete with huge defensive potential, which Tom Thibodeau will love. McDaniels showed improvement offensively throughout the season, though his perimeter game is still a work in progress.

20. Toronto Raptors -- Tyler Ennis, G, Syracuse freshman, 6-3, 182
While Ennis is a steady playmaker and effective pick-and-roll player, there are questions about his athleticism and his ability to make plays off the dribble against NBA defenders. The Raptors would eagerly snag the Toronto-born Ennis here to either back up pending-free agent Kyle Lowry or be in the mix to replace him.

21. Oklahoma City Thunder -- Elfrid Payton, G, Louisiana-Lafayette junior, 6-4, 185
With Derek Fisher gone, Oklahoma City has a need for another guard in the rotation. Payton has looked strong in workouts and could be snapped up earlier. He isn't much of a shooter, but he's an effective slashing scorer and a strong defender. The forward thinking Thunder are also aware of what Reggie Jackson could cost when he becomes a restricted free agent after next season.

22. Memphis Grizzlies -- T.J. Warren, F, NC State sophomore, 6-8, 220
It's looking more and more likely that interim boss Chris Wallace and head coach Dave Joerger -- who will have strong input on this decision, according to a source -- are leaning towards a small forward. Warren has looked excellent in workouts, showcasing the old school game that was so effective at NC State. He can contribute now and take over for Tayshaun Prince after next season.

23. Utah Jazz -- Jerami Grant, F, Syracuse sophomore, 6-8, 214
There are a lot of concerns about what kind of offensive player Grant can develop into; he's little more than a dunk and put back guy now. The son of ex-NBAer Harvey Grant -- and nephew of Horace -- has a strong pedigree though, and superior length and athleticism for the position.

24. Charlotte Hornets -- Clint Capela, PF, Switzerland (20 years old), 6-11, 222
The Hornets get a strong rim protecting prospect here in Capela, who will need seasoning. Hornets coach Steve Clifford loves defenders, and the long, athletic Capela has huge potential. Capela is a very good athlete who international scouts say improved significantly as a defender last season with Elan Chalon in France. Capela may be a draft-and-stash candidate but don't be surprised if a strong player development coach like Clifford wants to get his hands on him early.

25. Houston Rockets -- Cleanthony Early, SF, Wichita State, 6-7, 209
The cap-space-clearing Rockets will shop this pick; if they keep it, Early is the kind of athlete who can thrive in Houston's up-tempo system. With Chandler Parsons a restricted free agent, Early is protection in case a team makes Parsons an offer the Rockets can't match.

Jballer
06-23-2014, 11:22 AM
Mock Draft Update
USA today "the common sense draft"
(never knew USA Today had common sense :roll: )

Notes:
KJ McD doesnt make the first round
Ennis falls to around 24
GRIII and Cleathony move up just below the Raptor range i.e. 21- 25


20. Toronto Raptors: SG/SF James Young, Kentucky

Young's high upside was covered up a bit on a young and deep Kentucky team. But he is a prototype NBA swingman, and the Raptors have to be wondering about the low production they've had from 2013 slam dunk champion Terrence Ross.

Jballer
06-23-2014, 11:28 AM
Mock Draft:

*source updated Draft Express.

Notes:

Ennis goes to Bulls at 19 just before Toronto.
Chamberlain's prediction to perfection. Maybe he writes there :)


20. Clint Capela
PF/C (Chalon - International)
20 years old | 6'11" | 222 lbs
2013-14 Eurocup, French, Hoop Summit (44 GP)
9.7 PPG 6.7 RPG 1.0 APG 24.4 PER


From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz35TbHNgZw
http://www.draftexpress.com

Chamberlain
06-25-2014, 09:26 PM
Tomorrow morning sometime I'm going to post my final mock draft for those interested. I'm sure once I post it, five trades will happen and I'll be at work unable to make changes, but such is life.

Side note, does anyone think we might move our two second rounders to get another pick in the 20s?

Dr.Funk
06-25-2014, 10:48 PM
Tomorrow morning sometime I'm going to post my final mock draft for those interested. I'm sure once I post it, five trades will happen and I'll be at work unable to make changes, but such is life.

Side note, does anyone think we might move our two second rounders to get another pick in the 20s?


Some teams that don't want the guaranteed contract of a first rounder are probably more than willing.

Chamberlain
06-25-2014, 11:21 PM
Chamberlain Mock 2.0

Added two big trades that I see happening, added a full second round, and added a best case scenario for first round players.

Round 1

1. Cleveland - Andrew Wiggins
- A no brainer to me. Perfect player to compliment Kyrie Irving as he doesn't need to be the go-to scorer right off the bat. Cleveland has horrendous defense, and Wiggins helps instantly. Philly/Orlando/Utah/Boston apparently looking to trade up, but I don't see it happening.

Best: Scottie Pippen

2. Milwaukee - Jabari Parker
- Management loves him, he grew up nearby, and it fits the teams rebuild as they are trying to do it as quickly as possible. Great offensive weapon to build around, will probably need to be surrounded by defense to hide his weaknesses on that end.

Best: Paul Pierce

3. Philadelphia - Dante Exum
- I can't pretend to know too much about Exum other than he's a tall, quick combo guard and that he tested off the charts on his psych tests and teams all loved his work outs. Philly is apparently in love with him and will take him if Wiggins isn't available or they can't trade up.

Best: Penny Hardaway

4. Orlando - Joel Embiid
- Rough couple of weeks for Embiid. We all know the stories and potential dangers. I just can't see him falling past Orlando.

Best: Hakeem Olajuwon

5. Utah - Noah Vonleh
- Looking at the roster, they seem set for big men, but Kanter is due for a contract soon and they probably won't want to pay him the money he's looking for.

Best: LaMarcus Aldridge

6. Boston - Marcus Smart
- Striking out on both getting #1 and Kevin Love, the Celtics decide to go the complete opposite direction and trade Rajon Rondo and Jeff Green. Marcus Smart is a great defensive player, with the potential to be a good facilitator/scorer on offense. A great PG to lead a young team.

Best: Prime Deron Williams

7. LA Lakers - Julius Randle
- IF they keep the pick, they take a player who is ready to contribute, plays a position of need, and is a good building block for the future. Rumours swirling that this pick may be traded to Philly for Michael Carter-Williams. We'll see.

Best: Kevin Love

8. Sacramento - Aaron Gordon (pick traded to Boston along with Ben McLemore for Rajon Rondo and 2015 2nd)
- Boston gets another young defensive oriented player with the potential to be a high energy role player for many years. Offensively raw but shows some skill, and insanely athletic and an absolute gym rat.

Best: Shawn Marion

9. Charlotte - Nik Stauskas
- They've got a nice young PG and a pretty good front line. They lack offense at the wing position, and they seem to be building an athetlic team (ruling out Dougie McBuckets). Stauskas spreads the floor with his sharp shooting and keeps defenses honest with ability to get to the rim.

Best: Peja Stojakovich

10. Philadelphia - Dario Saric
- If there is one team in the lottery who is okay with waiting two years for this player, it's Philly. They have a ton of picks and can afford the extra roster spot. He'd be a solid point-forward type facilitator with Exum not being a true PG.

Best: Toni Kukoc

11. Denver - Gary Harris
- I'm not that high on Gary Harris, though I was during the season. Denver would like to add some back court depth, and at the very least he'll be a good defender and would look nice next to Ty Lawson, though it makes for a smaller back court than you would ideally like.

Best: Jerry Stackhouse

12. Orlando - Elfrid Payton
- Orlando gets the PG they were initially looking for at #4 before Embiid fell into their laps. Tough, defensive PG. Natural leader. Went toe to toe with Marcus Smart in workouts and beat him out for a starting position with the US U19 team.

Best: Rajon Rondo

13. Minnesota - Doug McDermott
- Assuming Love leaves, Doug fills a scoring void, plays a similar style game, and could end up being a steal at 13. He finds a way to score. People get scared that he'll become Adam Morrison but to me it's obvious that McBuckets is a superior player in terms of thinking the game and being able to create space to get his shot.

Best: Wally Szczerbiak

14. Phoenix - Zach Lavine
- Phoenix is the best team to not make the playoffs, and I think they will take a gamble on the athleticism of Lavine, as I think they are going to be more focused on bringing in a veteran after July 1st to help with their run. Lavine is an outstanding athlete and has tons of skill, but there are questions as to whether or not he understands the game.

Best: Russell Westbrook

15. Atlanta - James Young
- Alanta has a promising young PG, solid bigs and a lack of wing scoring. Young has tremendous upside, can shoot, play defense and get to the rim. Will need to get stronger and mature, but this is another possible steal.

Best: Jamaal Crawford

16. Chicago - Shabazz Napier (traded to the Knicks, along with #19, future 1st rounder, and Taj Gibson for Carmelo Anthony)
- Knicks going into full rebuild. Sign and Trade Melo away for two picks and a veteran big man. Knicks get a gritty leader and perhaps the steal of the draft. Someone who has the fire to succeed and can learn how to be a true PG from newly acquired Jose Calderon.

Best: Damian Lillard

17. Boston - TJ Warren
- After trading away Rondo, and taking two defensive oriented players in Smart and Gordon, the Celtics go the other way and add some wing scoring with TJ Warren, who is a pure scorer.

Best: Rip Hamilton

18. Phoenix - Jusuf Nurkic
- Adding another piece for the future; a massive center with soft hands who they can probably stash overseas for a year or two until they are both ready to commit to each other.

Best: Nikola Pekovich

19. Chicago - Jarnell Stokes (To NYK from previous trade)
- Some scouts see Stokes as a better prospect than Julius Randle. They have very similar skill sets. A beast on the block and is maybe great at nothing, but good at everything. Should be a very solid rotational player for years.

Best: Zach Randolph


20. Toronto - Tyler Ennis
- With Lowry up in the air, it makes sense to have a back up plan. Even if Lowry stays, you can shore up the PG position for years with this pick. I don't think Ennis is a starter on a great team, but he can be a quality 6th man on a contender. He sees the game very well and with the right mixture of players could be a nice point guard for the future.

Best: Andre Miller


21. Oklahoma City - Adreian Payne
- Thunder are obviously in win-now mode, and Payne gives them an extra asset to play on the block as a stretch four. He creates room for other people, is good defensively and rebounds well. Perfect fit for OKC.

Best: Robert Horry

22. Memphis - Rodney Hood
- Fills a void at the SF position. May be able to contribute right away. Has a nice shooting touch, can play defense and has athleticism. He is good in all areas of the game but may need time to adjust.

Best: Tayshaun Prince

23. Utah - Jordan Adams
- This guy can score. With Hayward maybe on the way out, Utah needs someone who can fill the stat sheet. Won't give you a whole lot defensively and is a little undersized for the SG spot, but he's a potential 16PPG 6th man.

Best: Manu Ginobili

24. Charlotte - Mitch McGary
- Rumors of a promise here. Josh McRoberts just opted out, and McGary replaces his size and rebounding ability. Being on a team with former teammate Nik Stauskas hopefully keeps him motivated and focused.

Best: Marcin Gortat

25. Houston - Kyle Anderson
Their biggest hole is on the wing, and with no true playmaker on the team, he fits the bill as a point forward. Didn't score well on his athleticism tests, but with guys like Howard, Harden, Lin, Bevery, Parsons, etc., you can afford a slow player with this amount of skill.

Best: Hedo Turkoglu (prime)

26. Miami - Jordan Clarkson
- They obviously need help at all positions that aren't PF/SF, and PG seems to be their biggest weakness after watching these playoffs. Clarkson can score and defend and has the ability to get out on the break and lead an offense. Should be a good fit here.

Best: Michael Carter-Williams

27. Phoenix - Clint Capella
- Seems to be a theme here for Phoenix, take a project and let him sit overseas for a year or two. Phoenix needs to save their cap space for veterans who can help now. Capella is a very athletic big man with raw skill who needs to refine his game before he can be an impact player.

Best: Derrick Favors

28. LA Clippers - Spencer Dinwiddie
- Often injured point guard with size. Surprisingly efficient and well faceted in all areas. Clippers need some bench help in the back court, and provided he's healthy, he should be able to back up both guard spots in his rookie year.

Best: George Hill

29. Oklahoma City - Vasilje Micic
- International PG with a similar playing style to Jose Calderon. OKC desperately needs PG help, and along with adding Payne, Micic should be able to step in during year one and play some backup minutes.

Best: Jose Calderon

30. San Antonio - Bogdan Bogdanovich
- Regarded as perhaps the best young player in Europe currently. Great scoring and playmaking ability. Seems like a no brainer for the Spurs if he is available. Might stay a year or two overseas but will be worth the wait. Very low risk pick, in my opinion.

Best: Manu Ginobili



Questions/Coments?

Chamberlain
06-25-2014, 11:21 PM
Second Round

31. Milwaukee - CJ Wilcox
32. Philadelphia - Cleanthony Early
33. Cleveland - Jerami Grant
34. New York - PJ Hairston
35. Utah - Thanasis Antetokoumbo
36. Milwaukee - Semaj Christon
37. Toronto - Damien Inglis
38. Detroit - Glenn Robinson III
39. Philadelphia - Dwight Powell
40. Minnesota - KJ McDaniels
41. Denver - Walter Tavares
42. Houston - James Michael McAdoo
43. Atlanta - Khem Birch
44. Minnesota - Johnny O'Bryant
45. Charlotte - DeAndre Daniels
46. Washington - Alessandro Gentile
47. Philadelphia - Aaric Murray
48. Milwaukee - Melvin Ejim
49. Chicago - CJ Fair
50. Phoenix - Juvonte Reddic
51. New York - Markel Brown
52. Philadelphia - Deonte Burton
53. Minnesota - Nick Johnson
54. Philadelphia - Cory Jefferson
55. Miami - Sean Kilpatrick
56. Denver - DeAndre Kane
57. Indiana - Jahii Carson
58. San Antonio - Jordan Bachynski
59. Toronto - Jabari Brown
60. San Antonio - Andre Dawkins


Questions/Comments?

Jballer
06-26-2014, 09:14 AM
Quite awesome. Well done.

1) I think I think that Tyler Ennis is the Toronto pick.

All the experts pick it.

I have reservations. I worry about the pick based on Canadian content. I think Ennis is good but I worry that a TJ Warren / Rodney Hood / Adrien Payne or other potentially spectacular player (upside) will be overlooked for the Canadian content. I always distrust the "hometown favorite" theory of picking.

I fail to see how Boston and Chicago would let him slip as well (unless they trade). Boston is projected to take PJ from D league. While his athletism "maybe better" the Celtics need a steady option for Rondo - especially if he is or is not the cornerstone of some move to create a massive overhaul to win sooner ala Love. Similar arguements for Bulls and DRose whether they chase Melo / LBron or anyone.

2) 2nd Round Picks.

If KJ McDaniels the freakishly talented shot blocking 3 or GRIII from Michigan are available to the Raptors - for god sake Masai - pick one of them. Both may not have NBA primetime games ready this year - but both will be strong 6th men in a few years. Further both seem to have the talent, knack and apptitude to play lock down d - something your coach wants. These guys will contribute this year in a "meaningful" way (not all star but meaningful) and frankly may spell out Amir, PP, and or TRoss to rest them and get their heads in the game when they go to sleep out there.

Jballer
06-26-2014, 01:47 PM
Assuming the Salmons rumor is true.

With the 20th and 22nd draft picks (bracketing Oklahoma)..

20 Tyler Ennis and

22 One of TJ Warren / Adrien Payne / Cleanthony Early / Clint Capella

Not bad Masai :cheers: