Tony Parker is Top 15 All Time if he wins the FMVP this year

[RagaZ]

And obviously the Championship. I think Duncan will have a huge series it if it's Spurs-Heat in the finals but i think Parker will win it if it's against Pacers.

4 rings + 2 FMVP. People talk about Wade as a Top 15 player. But 4-2 > 3*-1*.

4 rings and 2 FMVP is enough to be a Top 15 player all time.

He's not respected in the U.S, because he's french and Americans hate the French.

But facts are facts.

[robert_shaww]

True. Could have been 3 and 5....just 5 seconds away...

[T_L_P]

Dude, you can't believe he'd be top 15. Nobody even puts Wade there. There's no way a guy who averages 19/3/5 throughout his Playoff career should be anywhere near the top 15.

He's 103rd in Playoff PER.

But yes, a ring/Finals MVP would help his resume tremendously. Not sure where it'd put him though.

[Jailblazers7]

Doubt it. I bet 20 years from now he gets the Dennis Johnson treatment regardless of a Finals win and MVP this season.

[tmacattack33]

:oldlol:

[Marchesk]

If ISH had it's way, the top 15 would have like 12 current players.

[fpliii]

If ISH had it's way, the top 15 would have like 12 current players.
:applause:

/thread

[Milbuck]

You could literally sub in like 10 players in just the current NBA in Paker's spot and they'd win FMVP on this Spurs team. This team's success goes far, FAR beyond any individual player. Honestly, I'm struggling to think of all-star players (real all-star players, not like Hibbert or JJ) from this year who wouldn't at least have a shot of winning FMVP if you subbed them in for TP. The Spurs machine transcends the individual, it's been that way for years now.

[Carbine]

True. Could have been 3 and 5....just 5 seconds away...

Parker would not have won FMVP.

Considering voters use numbers as the biggest factor:

16.5/6.8 and 2 rebounds on 43 percent shooting for Parker.

18/12 and 1 assist and GREAT defense on 50 percent shooting for Duncan.

Not to mention Duncan put up 25 first half points in game 6, a feat that voters would take notice of in the closeout game.

[All Net]

Should Robert horry be Top 20 too? Parker is very good just not top 20 good.

[2LeTTeRS]

I'm sorry but I can name 15 point guards that I'd take over Parker; no way he ends up as top 15 players of all time.

[SCdac]

Where would Chauncey Billups be had he won back-to-back Finals MVPs in 04 and 05? Do people of ISH even have him top-50 currently? Billups was sick and ran their offense, but one could argue he wasn't the most important player on the Pistons. Same for Parker.

[alenleomessi]

everything is on Pop

[sammichoffate]

Where would Chauncey Billups be had he won back-to-back Finals MVPs in 04 and 05? Do people of ISH even have him top-50 currently? Billups was sick and ran their offense, but one could argue he wasn't the most important player on the Pistons. Same for Parker.Billups would probably be in my 15-20 range if he had 2 FMVPs. I think he was the most important player on that team, simply because he was the one who had the most leadership and the one who changed everything when he got there. It's very similar to Parker, he gets pretty underrated on here at times and overrated by idiots.

[T_L_P]

Billups would probably be in my 15-20 range if he had 2 FMVPs. I think he was the most important player on that team, simply because he was the one who had the most leadership and the one who changed everything when he got there. It's very similar to Parker, he gets pretty underrated on here at times and overrated by idiots.

Parker doesn't have the most leadership though.

But even with 2 FMVP I don't think Billups would have even entered my top 25.

[diamenz]

i couldn't say all-time, but he's one of the best ever at what he does.

[Mass Debator]

Top 15 guards of all time maybe, but top 30 all-time isn't out of the question if he performs well.

[sammichoffate]

Parker doesn't have the most leadership though.

But even with 2 FMVP I don't think Billups would have even entered my top 25.The list outside my top 10 is pretty sketchy actually. It's hard to account for players like Barkley, KG, Stockton, and etc. :(

[TheMarkMadsen]

Parker doesn't have the most leadership though.

But even with 2 FMVP I don't think Billups would have even entered my top 25.

He's been leading the spurs to 60 win seasons for years now..

[sammichoffate]

He's been leading the spurs to 60 win seasons for years now..More like him, Tim, and Manu. Spurs don't have the letter "I" in their alphabet :lol

[T_L_P]

He's been leading the spurs to 60 win seasons for years now..

He said leadership. Learn to read.

Anyone who thinks Parker is the leader of this team is doubly idiotic. Parker himself says it's Pop and Tim.

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm


OP's criteria really is rings/fmvp's only? God gracious... Who would even believe this bullshit? A FMVP would be Parker's first title as best player.. And clearly, one of the least dominating ones ever. In fact, Manu was the best in the 1st round, and the Spurs just work as a team. Often, their is no clear leader/best player.

[ArbitraryWater]

Billups would probably be in my 15-20 range if he had 2 FMVPs. I think he was the most important player on that team, simply because he was the one who had the most leadership and the one who changed everything when he got there. It's very similar to Parker, he gets pretty underrated on here at times and overrated by idiots.

Billups and Top 15-20?????

What the hell is wrong with these guys? :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

He said leadership. Learn to read idiot. :facepalm

Anyone who thinks Parker is the leader of this team is doubly idiotic. Parker himself says it's Pop and Tim.

Parker had been leading the team in shots and scorin for years..

He's the orchorstrater of the offense, the team begins and ends with Tony Parker.

Tony Parker was the spurs only all star this year

If anything, Pop is the leader, but Parker is clearly the leader on the floor.

Pop & Parker won 60 games with Duncan averaging 13/9 for an entire season..

[T_L_P]

Parker had been leading the team in shots and scorin for years..

He's the orchorstrater of the offense, the team begins and ends with Tony Parker.

Tony Parker was the spurs only all star this year

If anything, Pop is the leader, but Parker is clearly the leader on the floor.

Pop & Parker won 60 games with Duncan averaging 13/9 for an entire season..

Why are you posting the same drivel again?

Parker is the leader on the floor?

Skip to 1:54 and tell me Parker is the leader. :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6NbJMq-QfU

[VengefulAngel]

Dude, you can't believe he'd be top 15. Nobody even puts Wade there. There's no way a guy who averages 19/3/5 throughout his Playoff career should be anywhere near the top 15.

He's 103rd in Playoff PER.

But yes, a ring/Finals MVP would help his resume tremendously. Not sure where it'd put him though.

I agree with this. :applause: :applause:

[navy]

Game 7 do or die shot, Tony Parker is on the bench for offense and he plays point guard?

Top 15? :oldlol:

[9512]

If tony parker wins fmvp all of frence will explode in extacy. They will celebrate this more than their 1998 world cup soccer victory.

It will be frence's victory against their old arch nemesis the US of A (called "ricains" which is the equivalent of pejorative "yanks").

Because frence have beaten ze ricains!!! Hon hon hon! Escargots!

[Victoire]

Parker doesn't have the most leadership though.

But even with 2 FMVP I don't think Billups would have even entered my top 25.

He does have "the most leadership" since 2007-2008. Stop your hate toward Parker. The greatness of Parker doesnt overshadow Duncan's. Grow up a bit.

[DMAVS41]

Doesn't work like that man.

Have to have the individual dominance and team success for all time rankings.

Parker somewhere in the top 100 probably when it's all said and done.

[Bob Dole]

lol it maybe makes him a top 15 pg of all time.

Rings and fmvps are so overrated in player rankings. Context people, Context.

Pgs better than Parker:

Big O
Magic
Isaiah
Stockton
Mark Price
Steve Nash
Jason Kidd
Gary Payton
Kevin Johnson
Tim Hardaway
Chris Paul
Dave Bing
Nate Archibald
Walt Frazier
Bob Cousy
Chauncey Billups

And I'm probably missing a few more. Get this ring counting crap out of here.

[Big#50]

He will crack top 50 maybe. The first fmvp was a Maxwell MVP. He was the third best player in his team that year.

[9512]

He does have "the most leadership" since 2007-2008. Stop your hate toward Parker. The greatness of Parker doesnt overshadow Duncan's. Grow up a bit.

Check the video posted (skip to 1:54) you hear it straight from coach pop's mouth who the spurs' leader is.

Don't let franch media like canal + or bein sport brainwash you w/ their pro-franch propaganda.

[the mesiah]

If ISH had it's way, the top 15 would have like 12 current players.
Or the "since I didn't see him play, I can't put him in my top 10" card.

[sportjames23]

If ISH had it's way, the top 15 would have like 12 current players.


:applause:

/thread

[joeyjoejoe]

Peak play is very important in rankings and Parker is far from worthy or we could just put fisher and horry in top 5

[ninephive]

Game 7 do or die shot, Tony Parker is on the bench for offense and he plays point guard?

Top 15? :oldlol:
Exactly, same with G6 overtime...they went with Manu. Look what happened.

[ninephive]

lol it maybe makes him a top 15 pg of all time.

Rings and fmvps are so overrated in player rankings. Context people, Context.

Pgs better than Parker:

Big O
Magic
Isaiah
Stockton
Mark Price
Steve Nash
Jason Kidd
Gary Payton
Kevin Johnson
Tim Hardaway
Chris Paul
Dave Bing
Nate Archibald
Walt Frazier
Bob Cousy
Chauncey Billups

And I'm probably missing a few more. Get this ring counting crap out of here.
Lol, how many times will Paul have to choke for people to realize what kind of player he is?

[Artillery]

He's a horrible playoff performer. Last year was his chance to redeem himself and he choked hard in game 6 and 7. Hilarious for anyone to call him top 15.

[T_L_P]

He does have "the most leadership" since 2007-2008. Stop your hate toward Parker. The greatness of Parker doesnt overshadow Duncan's. Grow up a bit.

Skip to 1:54, tell me Parker is the leader of this team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6NbJMq-QfU

[Bob Dole]

Lol, how many times will Paul have to choke for people to realize what kind of player he is?

Tony Parker isn't even close to the basketball player Chris Paul is. Take that clutch bull to someone who cares what espn says.

Chris Paul on this spurs team would be absolutely unfair to the other teams in the league.