Duncan > Malone Chuck Dirk KG Mchale

[Jlamb47]

Duncan is the best PF EVER. The end.

[CelticBaller]

Who

[imdaman99]

I will wait for Robert Shaw to bless this thread before I confirm that you are right :bowdown:

[Jlamb47]

I will wait for Robert Shaw to bless this thread before I confirm that you are right :bowdown:

Robert Shaw dont know basketball though. He should be on tennis forums

[Jlamb47]

Who

your secretly favorite player

[Marchesk]

Bob Petit has no case? Obviously on longevity, Tim has him.

But, Petit does have 2 MVPs, a championship (over Russell's Celtics), 10X all-NBA first team, slightly higher PER (25.3 - 24.6), without blocks/steals factored in for Bob. And slightly higher WS/48 (.213 -.211).

I think old Bob has a case here.

[Fiddlesticks]

Elvin Hayes is the greatest Power Forward of all time. What other Power Forward has a scoring title in his rookie season? Definitely overlooked because we are all prisoners of the current moment.

[T_L_P]

Bob Petit has no case? Obviously on longevity, Tim has him.

But, Petit does have 2 MVPs, a championship (over Russell's Celtics), 10X all-NBA first team, slightly higher PER (25.3 - 24.6) without blocks/steals factored in for Bob. And slightly higher WS/48 (.213 -.211).

I think old Bob has a case here.

Their Playoff PERs are much different though (24.7-22.6), and WS/48 (.195-.159). And Petit only played 88 Playoff games total.

I do agree that Petit should be high on top PF lists. I obviously didn't watch him play but he did some incredible, incredible stuff. I just can't put him in the same tier as Tim (although I definitely don't get the sense from your post that you'd put Petit ahead of Tim, right?)

[T_L_P]

Elvin Hayes is the greatest Power Forward of all time. What other Power Forward has a scoring title in his rookie season? Definitely overlooked because we are all prisoners of the current moment.

Playoff career: 23/13/2/1/3, .501 TS%, in 45 minutes of play, over the span of 96 games.

GOAT PF. :bowdown:

[Marchesk]

(although I definitely don't get the sense from your post that you'd put Petit ahead of Tim, right?)

No, I just a thought a discussion could be had. Petit did also lead the league in scoring twice, and he was a very good rebounder.

I'm fine with Duncan being higher. I think Petit doesn't get much mention on ISH, though. He's probably top 15 all-time.

[Fiddlesticks]

Playoff career: 23/13/2/1/3, .501 TS%, in 45 minutes of play, over the span of 96 games.

GOAT PF. :bowdown:
shooting % and all that stuff are nerd numbers, I only care about per game averages and 23/13/2/1/3 are truly GOAT PF numbers.

[Jlamb47]

No, I just a thought a discussion could be had. Petit did also lead the league in scoring twice, and he was a very good rebounder.

I'm fine with Duncan being higher. I think Petit doesn't get much mention on ISH, though. He's probably top 15 all-time.


yeah but put duncan in that era and hes doing alot more then petit.

Duncan numbers are stupid in playoffs

[Rocketswin2013]

Bob Petit has no case? Obviously on longevity, Tim has him.

But, Petit does have 2 MVPs, a championship (over Russell's Celtics), 10X all-NBA first team, slightly higher PER (25.3 - 24.6), without blocks/steals factored in for Bob. And slightly higher WS/48 (.213 -.211).

I think old Bob has a case here.
Stats don't matter. Imaginary impact does matter though.


Intangibles> Talent

Dave Cowens> Kareem

Joakim Noah > Duncan

[Marchesk]

yeah but put duncan in that era and hes doing alot more then petit.

But then Duncan has to grow up in that era. It's really not a fair argument to say, "If rookie Duncan time-traveled to 1954 ...". When making all-time lists, the only fair thing to do is to consider player's overall careers. You can't put them in different eras, on different teams, with different coaches.

Otherwise, I'm going to claim Oscar > Magic if Oscar gets to play with Kareem his first 8 years.

[T_L_P]

shooting % and all that stuff are nerd numbers, I only care about per game averages and 23/13/2/1/3 are truly GOAT PF numbers.

Duncan puts up 22/12/4/1/2, over more than twice as many games.

GOAT PF numbers for Tim indeed.

Shooting numbers are hardly nerdy though. You've just said 29 PPG on .101 shooting is better than 28 PPG on .902 shooting (by definition).

:roll:

[Marchesk]

Stats don't matter. Imaginary impact does matter though.


Intangibles> Talent

Dave Cowens> Kareem

Joakim Noah > Duncan

You forgot the eye test, bro. And aesthetics.

MJ/Dr J > Kobe/Hakeem > Kareem > Wilt > Lebron

Aesthetically speaking.

[MrC1991]

Do yall realize that robert_shaww by himself and his hard on for Tim Duncan has this board talking about Tim Duncan as much as LeBron/Kobe/KD.

[Fiddlesticks]

Duncan puts up 22/12/4/1/2, over more than twice as many games.

GOAT PF numbers for Tim indeed.

Shooting numbers are hardly nerdy though. You've just said 29 PPG on .101 shooting is better than 28 PPG on .902 shooting (by definition).

:roll:
yes the point of the game is to get more points, it doesn't matter how many shots you take as long as you score more points. Also it isn't Hayes' fault that Tim Duncan has Parker, Ginobili, and Pop

[Jlamb47]

Do yall realize that robert_shaww by himself and his hard on for Tim Duncan has this board talking about Tim Duncan as much as LeBron/Kobe/KD.


TD should be talked about just as much or even more then them.
Durant got 0 and Lebron is 2/2 in the finals Duncan is 4/5
U act like TD not on there level

[T_L_P]

yes the point of the game is to get more points, it doesn't matter how many shots you take as long as you score more points. Also it isn't Hayes' fault that Tim Duncan has Parker, Ginobili, and Pop

Yeah, it's just about points.

So defense doesn't matter?

What a tool. :lol

No, Hayes had a 20/7/5 player in Bob Dandridge.

[MrC1991]

TD should be talked about just as much or even more then them.
Durant got 0 and Lebron is 2/2 in the finals Duncan is 4/5
U act like TD not on there level

I never said he was on there level. I think hes the greatest PF and is in my top 10 of all time. People always talked about the LeBrons and the Kobes of the world more than him. :confusedshrug: don't get all sensitive n shit.

[Fiddlesticks]

Yeah, it's just about points.

So defense doesn't matter?

What a tool. :lol

No, Hayes had a 20/7/5 player in Bob Dandridge.
Bob Dandridge vs Parker, Ginobili, and Pop. Gee I wonder who I would rather have? Also scoring wins basketball games.

[Jlamb47]

I never said he was on there level. I think hes the greatest PF and is in my top 10 of all time. People always talked about the LeBrons and the Kobes of the world more than him. :confusedshrug: don't get all sensitive n shit.


yeah cuz there perimeter players. Ppl enjoy watching them play more. and not sensitive at all homie. but i feels ya

[Jlamb47]

yes the point of the game is to get more points, it doesn't matter how many shots you take as long as you score more points. Also it isn't Hayes' fault that Tim Duncan has Parker, Ginobili, and Pop


the point is to score to win and the other half is to stop them from scoring to win. Duncan plays defense like no other. thats half the game

stop team from scoring and out scoring them

[T_L_P]

Bob Dandridge vs Parker, Ginobili, and Pop. Gee I wonder who I would rather have? Also scoring wins basketball games.

And Wes Unseld.

Damn, so many legends. :applause:

Duncan > Hayes though. Hayes isn't even a top five PF.

[Fiddlesticks]

And Wes Unseld.

Damn, so many legends. :applause:

Duncan > Hayes though. Hayes isn't even a top five PF.
Elvin Hayes is atleast better than Karl Malone. He has a championship.

[MrC1991]

And Wes Unseld.

Damn, so many legends. :applause:

Duncan > Hayes though. Hayes isn't even a top five PF.

Is it possible that robert_shaww, Milbuck, Euroleague, etc man of many personalities is on a personal mission to get Tim Duncan as talked about as Michael Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, etc? He seems to be doing an incredible job at it.

[Rocketswin2013]

Is it possible that robert_shaww, Milbuck, Euroleague, etc man of many personalities is on a personal mission to get Tim Duncan as talked about as Michael Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, etc? He seems to be doing an incredible job at it.
Robert_Shaww is Milbuck. I don't have the thread link but he was exposed for it and several winesses saw him admit it.

[T_L_P]

Elvin Hayes is atleast better than Karl Malone. He has a championship.

Yeah, I can live with that. :cheers:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Agree.

After him you got Malone, KG, Chuck, Pettit, Dirk, Hayes, McHale......

[Fiddlesticks]

Agree.

After him you got Malone, KG, Chuck, Pettit, Dirk, Hayes, McHale......
Hayes, McHael, KG, Pettit, Dirk, Malone, Chuk

[T_L_P]

Hayes, McHael, KG, Pettit, Dirk, Malone, Chuk

That's your order?

[Fiddlesticks]

That's your order?
after Tim Duncan

[ArbitraryWater]

Bob Petit has no case? Obviously on longevity, Tim has him.

But, Petit does have 2 MVPs, a championship (over Russell's Celtics), 10X all-NBA first team, slightly higher PER (25.3 - 24.6), without blocks/steals factored in for Bob. And slightly higher WS/48 (.213 -.211).

I think old Bob has a case here.

You're so fed up with old players its amazing :oldlol: Soooo delusional...

Duncan >>>>> Pettit

[SHAQisGOAT]

Hayes, McHael, KG, Pettit, Dirk, Malone, Chuk

McHale can't be above any of those guys.. He won 3 rings, he had a terrific peak/prime also but a short one (due to injuries) and never was the main-man. It's pretty hard to exactly rank Timmy, Malone, KG, Chuck, Pettit, Dirk and Hayes, some more than others, but McHale gotta come after them.

[Fiddlesticks]

McHale can't be above any of those guys.. He won 3 rings, he had a terrific peak/prime also but a short one (due to injuries) and never was the main-man. It's pretty hard to exactly rank Timmy, Malone, KG, Chuck, Pettit, Dirk and Hayes, some more than others, but McHale gotta come after them.
nah, McHale has the best post game of all time.

[r0drig0lac]

Do yall realize that robert_shaww by himself and his hard on for Tim Duncan has this board talking about Tim Duncan as much as LeBron/Kobe/KD.
exactly, this is getting ridiculous

[Round Mound]

The Powerforward Position is Probably The Hardest To Rank.

[Milbuck]

Robert_Shaww is Milbuck. I don't have the thread link but he was exposed for it and several winesses saw him admit it.
I am not that idiot robert_shaww. It was proven to be a photoshopped picture by Smook attempting to get back at me for trolling the Rockets. I have picture evidence and 12 pages of a thread showing various posters exposing the picture as fake, and Smook admitting to photoshopping pictures.

I have TD as the GOAT PF.

[navy]

Why is Tim duncan not a center?

[T_L_P]

Why is Tim duncan not a center?

Interchangeable skillset, spent his most of his career and his best years at the PF position.

He's a PF.

[Just2McFly]

Interchangeable skillset, spent his most of his career and his best years at the PF position.

He's a PF.
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[Cone]

duncan > dirk >>>> rest

[T_L_P]

duncan > dirk >>>> rest

I'd put KG right there with Dirk though.

Other than that I agree.

[T_L_P]

.....

'97-'07, and then again most of the time with Splitter.

Nazr was the PF?

[k0kakw0rld]

Duncan is the best PF EVER. The end.
This.

[Micku]

Career wise, yeah.

Peak vs peak? I don't think so. It's pretty much a toss up I think. All of them were beastin.

Although you can argue that Duncan done more with less at his peak. Dirk is another player who done more with less.

[T_L_P]

Career wise, yeah.

Peak vs peak? I don't think so. It's pretty much a toss up I think. All of them were beastin.

Although you can argue that Duncan done more with less at his peak. Dirk is another player who done more with less.

I agree, but Duncan did prove he could win with very little during his peak, like you said!

Garnett has a case I think. '04 KG was just :wtf: