2013 Bran vs 2001 Kobe playoff averages

[Ca$H]

Bran's "number one option" title- 25.9 8.4 6.6

Kobe's "sidekick" title- 29.4 7.3 6.1

You could have easily replaced Bran with 2001 Kobe and Miami would win the title with ease. No way Pop dares Kobe to shoot like he did with Bran. Kobe has historically torched the spurs in the playoffs including 2008 (without Shaq).

[red1]

0/10 kobe is a rapist

[Jlamb47]

Bran's "number one option" title- 25.9 8.4 6.6

Kobe's "sidekick" title- 29.4 7.3 6.1

You could have easily replaced Bran with 2001 Kobe and Miami would win the title with ease. No way Pop dares Kobe to shoot like he did with Bran. Kobe has historically torched the spurs in the playoffs including 2008 (without Shaq).


BUT KOBE WAS A SIDEKICK. I TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS EVERYTIME THEY DIS KOBE FIRST 3 RINGS LIKE HE WASNT PUTTING UP CRAZY NUMBERS

[Solefade]

lebron is way better than kobe ever was



and this is coming from a kobe stan

[Jlamb47]

Kobe's #11-12 on all time list
lebron's already broken top 10


dealwitit


Lebron is 2/2 in the finals
biggest choker of all time
deal wit it

[Suguru101]

Except that Shaq was attracting major attention from the defense, so Kobe's defender often shaded away from him or broke eye contact for seconds at a time... which is all Kobe needed.

Meanwhile, LeBron is the first option, gets the most attention and the whole game plan geared to stop him, gets doubled team... and he is still shooting like 56% from the field vs Kobe's 47%.

[Jlamb47]

Except that Shaq was attracting major attention from the defense, so Kobe's defender often shaded away from him or broke eye contact for seconds at a time... which is all Kobe needed.

Meanwhile, LeBron is the first option, gets the most attention and the whole game plan geared to stop him, gets doubled team... and he is still shooting like 56% from the field vs Kobe's 47%.


um in 2011 Wade and him were arguably 1a 1b that year
first option?
Lebron got Bosh Wade and Allen dude had more weapons then kobe/shaq
so STFU wit that weak comment

Kobe was getting doubled himself watch the playoffs
and we didnt even double Lebron when he played spurs so STFU

[red1]

Lebron is 2/2 in the finals
biggest choker of all time
deal wit it
a spurs fan's worst nightmare

http://celticfanchat.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/heat-allen-basketball-0537c.jpeg

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron - double/triple teamed on every possession with the entire strongside being overloaded

Kobe - open shots from Shaq's double/triple teams

/thread

[pegasus]

Bran's "number one option" title- 25.9 8.4 6.6

Kobe's "sidekick" title- 29.4 7.3 6.1

You could have easily replaced Bran with 2001 Kobe and Miami would win the title with ease. No way Pop dares Kobe to shoot like he did with Bran. Kobe has historically torched the spurs in the playoffs including 2008 (without Shaq).

:applause:

Kobe was a much better defender and clutch too.

[pegasus]

LeBron - double/triple teamed on every possession with the entire strongside being overloaded

Kobe - open shots from Shaq's double/triple teams

/thread

Having 5 feet to shoot is double/triple teamed now?:lol

[Ne 1]

Great point. Yeah, Kobe's performances and level of play during the 2001 and 2002 playoffs was better than some championship team's first option, which is why you can't just judge rings as "first option rings" or "second option rings" without context.

Yes, the consensus during those years was that Shaq was the best player in the NBA, but if you try using that to discredit Kobe, then you also have to remember that the consensus was that Kobe was the second best player in the league starting around the 2001 playoffs. The gap was much larger in 2000, but Kobe was still a top 10 player in the league and the best shooting guard in the league IMO. Not to mention that was one of his peak defensive seasons and he stepped up in some huge moment in the playoffs. The 3-peat Lakers were not a typical championship team, because there was no 3rd All-Star caliber player, or even really a 3rd scoring option save for 2000 with an aging Glen Rice in that role putting up 12/4/2 on 41% shooting in the playoffs. This left plenty of room for Kobe to play his game and produce like a first option himself with Derek Fisher or Rick Fox as the closest thing the team had to a 3rd option in 2001 and 2002. Neither were scoring options. The offense went through Shaq first, but Kobe didn't have to take a backseat like Wade has the last 3 seasons because there was no Chris Bosh, much less a Ray Allen now as well, and because Kobe was improving, not declining like Wade.

[SexSymbol]

Except that Shaq was attracting major attention from the defense, so Kobe's defender often shaded away from him or broke eye contact for seconds at a time... which is all Kobe needed.

Meanwhile, LeBron is the first option, gets the most attention and the whole game plan geared to stop him, gets doubled team... and he is still shooting like 56% from the field vs Kobe's 47%.
That's stupid, Shaq clogged up the paint, preventing Kobe from driving way too many times.
As a result he had to be the bail out shooter more than a slasher, and he was still putting up prime MJ numbers

[tpols]

Except that Shaq was attracting major attention from the defense, so Kobe's defender often shaded away from him or broke eye contact for seconds at a time... which is all Kobe needed.

Meanwhile, LeBron is the first option, gets the most attention and the whole game plan geared to stop him, gets doubled team... and he is still shooting like 56% from the field vs Kobe's 47%.

The spurs were leaving Lebron WIDE open and daring him to shoot.

Lebron was attracting negative defensive attention.. they were running away from him. :oldlol:

[lakerspng]

If half these "Bron stans" were alive and watching ball in 2001 when Kobe was massacring the league, they would understand, but they weren't. Pointless to even start the discussion.

For anyone to say LeBron is a far better player than Kobe ever was, is beyond ridiculous. LeBron's better at some aspects of the game. Kobe's better at some aspects of the game. They both have strengths and weaknesses. LeBron could use some of Kobe's aggressiveness, Kobe could use some of LeBron's court vision. Both are still shy of what they could be / could have been, because of their flaws, but well above 99% of the players who've ever stepped on a court.

[Milbuck]

LeBron - double/triple teamed on every possession with the entire strongside being overloaded

Kobe - open shots from Shaq's double/triple teams

/thread
The Spurs flat out sagged off him and dared him to shoot...now he's getting tripled teamed? :oldlol:

[GimmeThat]

I'm just gonna say they put a bunch of 3 point shooters around Lebron for good reasons.


Hint: players who generally excelled playing with Shaq shot the 3's well and of those who had driving ability played exceptionally well.

[Trollsmasher]

The spurs were leaving Lebron WIDE open and daring him to shoot.

Lebron was attracting negative defensive attention.. they were running away from him. :oldlol:
like this?
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2013/06/lebron-jumper-II.jpg

meanwhile Kobe's shots were completly open for 80% of the time, both jumpers and shots around the rim

[lakerspng]

like this?
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2013/06/lebron-jumper-II.jpg

meanwhile Kobe's shots were completly open for 80% of the time, both on jumpers and around the rim

come on. that's ridiculous. Kobe and Shaq were both doubled constantly. Anyone who watched the games knows that. They left Lakers shooters open and just hoped they didn't get burned.

[TheMarkMadsen]

^^^^

:lol

We all watched last years finals bro, it'll be another 10 years before your revisionist history will work..

Trying to act like they were even guarding Lebron and shit :roll:

[Solefade]

come on. that's ridiculous. Kobe and Shaq were both doubled constantly. Anyone who watched the games knows that. They left Lakers shooters open and just hoped they didn't get burned.


the game is extremely simplified for everyone else when you have someone as imposing and physically dominant as shaq (not to mention you have the GOAT coach who can easily capitalize on this)...it's not the same thing lebron is seeing these days

[Mure]

Lebron > Kobe.

[lakerspng]

the game is extremely simplified for everyone else when you have someone as imposing and physically dominant as shaq...it's not the same thing lebron is seeing these days

dude. you obviously didn't watch. What Kobe did to break down defenses, pull defenders away from Shaq and open it up for him in the paint and then give him drop offs/alley oops, was amazing. Their chemistry off court was horrific, their chemistry on court was awesome to watch. and Kobe was constantly hounded on the perimeter by two defenders. but whatever suits your agenda.

[TheMarkMadsen]

These kids have no clue

Watch this if you want to learn

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qTeXsiV-l5Q


01 Lakers are a top 3 GOAT team and the GOAT playoff team.

[tmacattack33]

Bran's "number one option" title- 25.9 8.4 6.6

Kobe's "sidekick" title- 29.4 7.3 6.1

You could have easily replaced Bran with 2001 Kobe and Miami would win the title with ease. No way Pop dares Kobe to shoot like he did with Bran. Kobe has historically torched the spurs in the playoffs including 2008 (without Shaq).

:oldlol:

Nice selective facts usage.

You chose 2001 and neglected to mention Kobe's inferior stats in 2000, 2002, 2003, and 2004 (and I could keep going, but we're just focusing on his time with Shaq in LA)

[jstern]

It's called not being the focus of the defense, shooting 43% from the field, while not giving an f u c k that Shaq is on your team I'm going to shoot it anyway.

[Jlamb47]

Kobe> Lebron

Lebron was sagged off while Kobe was being doubled
Saying Lebron was triped is crazy
Wade and Bosh and Allen on the squad

[Hey Yo]

um in 2011 Wade and him were arguably 1a 1b that year
first option?
Lebron got Bosh Wade and Allen dude had more weapons then kobe/shaq
so STFU wit that weak comment

Kobe was getting doubled himself watch the playoffs
and we didnt even double Lebron when he played spurs so STFU
LeBron was the first option until they got to the Finals that year. Quite clear they decided James would hold back so Wade could shine brighter and try to get one more Finals MVP. It backfired and before the next season started Wade told the media that he was turning the team over to LeBron.

We all know what's happened since Wade made that DECISION!!

[Ne 1]

It's called not being the focus of the defense
Kobe's pick and rolls caused the big men to go back. Kobe slashing through the defense broke teams down so they were unable to get back to Shaq. If they couldn't get back, its a problem. Kobe creates for Shaq directly with his penetration and nobody got the ball to Shaq better than Kobe did. Kobe's clutch ability and ability to consistently take over in 4th quarters also helped Shaq tremendously. Defenders stayed on Shaq AND Kobe normally, double-teams preferred to leave one of the other Lakers role players open for obvious reasons. Shaq didn't draw Kobe's defenders away or sacrifice his game for Kobe. Kobe did it for Shaq by venturing into the paint and being enough of a threat to draw Shaq's man off him. Shaq didn't play on the perimeter to draw off Kobe's man. Kobe would draw the defense and dish it to Shaq for the slam.

[Rose'sACL]

Kobe> Lebron

Lebron was sagged off while Kobe was being doubled
Saying Lebron was triped is crazy
Wade and Bosh and Allen on the squad
why are all OKC fans lakers fans too ? i don't have a problem with liking 2 teams but every okc fan on this forum is a lakers fan. that is too big of a coincidence.

[TheMarkMadsen]

why are all OKC fans lakers fans too ? i don't have a problem with liking 2 teams but every okc fan on this forum is a lakers fan. that is too big of a coincidence.

Says the bran Stan rocking a spurs avatar.

[Jlamb47]

why are all OKC fans lakers fans too ? i don't have a problem with liking 2 teams but every okc fan on this forum is a lakers fan. that is too big of a coincidence.

i think its more of kd fans are proping kobe to make lebron look bad or other way around
this forum bashes more players to make there favorite look better
im a spurs fan but i enjoy watching other teams. but gotta keep it real

[Ne 1]

LeBron - double/triple teamed on every possession with the entire strongside being overloaded

Kobe - open shots from Shaq's double/triple teams

/thread
Kobe was always the primary facilitator/play maker on those championship teams. People like to say Shaq made the game easier for Kobe because he was getting double teamed. I find this hilarious because Kobe would also draw double teams too and made the game easier for Shaq as well. How many times have we seen highlights from that era of Kobe penetrating into the paint drawing a second defender then dropping the ball into Shaqs hands for an open power slam? People always brings this up as if Kobe was just getting spoon feed open shots. Teams weren't playing off of Kobe to double Shaq, the double teams came from the other positions more often than not. If anything, Kobe directly created for Shaq more with his penetration. Kobe's points didn't come easily, and he provided more than just scoring. Kobe was the best SG in the league ... you don't think defensive schemes weren't being drawn up to focus on the best perimeter scorer/player in the game back then? You don't think teams were worrying about Kobe? Do people really think that teams doubled off of Kobe Bryant off all players? Maybe if they got a rotation wrong and tried to help one pass away. Even in 2000, teams would much rather double off of guys like Ron Harper and AC Green.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Ne 1 been droppin the knowledge lately

[Cold soul]

Ne 1 been droppin the knowledge lately


One of the best posters on this board hands down. :applause:

[Rose'sACL]

Says the bran Stan rocking a spurs avatar.
do all spurs fans like lebron?
TLP doesn't and most spurs fans on this forum don't. I like him as a player and have continuously bashed him for "the decision".
They are my team in the east and if it is a spurs-heat finals then i would support spurs like i did last finals. you can check threads from last season's playoffs if you want.They move the ball around and play good defense. Hawks is the only other team in the east that passes the ball like spurs so if you like team basketball then spurs, warriors, clippers, hawks and heat are the most likable teams.

[Knoe Itawl]

Kobe was always the primary facilitator/play maker on those championship teams. People like to say Shaq made the game easier for Kobe because he was getting double teamed. I find this hilarious because Kobe would also draw double teams too and made the game easier for Shaq as well. How many times have we seen highlights from that era of Kobe penetrating into the paint drawing a second defender then dropping the ball into Shaqs hands for an open power slam? People always brings this up as if Kobe was just getting spoon feed open shots. Teams weren't playing off of Kobe to double Shaq, the double teams came from the other positions more often than not. If anything, Kobe directly created for Shaq more with his penetration. Kobe's points didn't come easily, and he provided more than just scoring. Kobe was the best SG in the league ... you don't think defensive schemes weren't being drawn up to focus on the best perimeter scorer/player in the game back then? You don't think teams were worrying about Kobe? Do people really think that teams doubled off of Kobe Bryant off all players? Maybe if they got a rotation wrong and tried to help one pass away. Even in 2000, teams would much rather double off of guys like Ron Harper and AC Green.

haha, this guy thinks that the defensive attention a prime Shaq drew is comparable to Kobe during that time. Bryant Stans. :facepalm

[Cold soul]

haha, this guy thinks that the defensive attention a prime Shaq drew is comparable to Kobe during that time. Bryant Stans. :facepalm

Kobe haters. :facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe haters. :facepalm

Don't bother with "knoeitall"

This guy back in the day would huff and puff about how Kobe would neve win without Shaq.

When they got Pau he said it didn't matter they'd still lose..

3 final trips later and he was rarely heard from again :roll:

[rhythmic]

Except that Shaq was attracting major attention from the defense, so Kobe's defender often shaded away from him or broke eye contact for seconds at a time... which is all Kobe needed.

Meanwhile, LeBron is the first option, gets the most attention and the whole game plan geared to stop him, gets doubled team... and he is still shooting like 56% from the field vs Kobe's 47%.

Ah that old story idiots tell everyone...only problem is, Kobe already showed that he never needed Shaq to win anything.

Before Kobe became a star, Shaq was being swept left & right playing alongside Jones, Van Exel, Penny & Campbell. Why couldn't he carry them?

[riseagainst]

I don't get it. Why would the defender defending Kobe go and double team Shaq? Wouldn't the logical thing to do is to let another defender double Shaq?

[rzp]

like this?
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2013/06/lebron-jumper-II.jpg

meanwhile Kobe's shots were completly open for 80% of the time, both jumpers and shots around the rim

HAHAHA PWNED

/thread

[Cold soul]

Don't bother with "knoeitall"

This guy back in the day would huff and puff about how Kobe would neve win without Shaq.

When they got Pau he said it didn't matter they'd still lose..

3 final trips later and he was rarely heard from again :roll:

Alright thanks for the heads up. :cheers:

[Quizno]

like this?
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2013/06/lebron-jumper-II.jpg

meanwhile Kobe's shots were completly open for 80% of the time, both jumpers and shots around the rim
this poster may as well have said "I didn't watch basketball back then" :lol

[LongLiveTheKing]

Spurs focused all their attention on Shaq so of course Kobe would average a lot of points.
Lebron>>>Kobe

[Warfan]

Yeah, lebrons playoff run last year was a bit disappointing compared to how great he was in the RS. I'd say his best run was in 2012, which is probably better than any playoff run that kobe had.

[SamuraiSWISH]

The Spurs flat out sagged off him and dared him to shoot...now he's getting tripled teamed? :oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[raprap]

Nobody cares about kobe anymore. Just move on kobe stans. :oldlol:



LeBron> kobe

[Ne 1]

Yeah, lebrons playoff run last year was a bit disappointing compared to how great he was in the RS. I'd say his best run was in 2012, which is probably better than any playoff run that kobe had.
Eh, he has a few playoff runs I'd say that are on par. 29/7/6 on 56 TS% + championship in 2001 (in the toughest defensive era of the past 25 years; 1999-2004). 30/6/6 on 58 TS% + Finals in 2008. 30/5/6 on 56 TS% + championship in 2009 29/6/6 on 57 TS% + championship in 2010.

[lakerspng]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0HtbJFEzJM

just watch that. in 2001, especially during the playoffs Kobe was a freaking monster.

I will say flat out, there is no one in the league today doing what he was doing then. That guy in today's league is the best player in basketball, bar none.