Embiids agent refusing to release his Medical records

[Clyde]

Wow, trying hard to block The Bucks from drafting him.

http://www.nba.com/news/features/david_aldridge/david-aldridges-big-board-centers-2014-draft/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt3c

[Waking_Life]

Genius

[MrC1991]

Who really wants to go to the Bucks though?

[Jameerthefear]

What does this mean for the Magic?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Poor man's Greg Oden?

[Springsteen]

this is definitely an issue now

[BrainDead]

Bust

[Rubio2Gasol]

Let's hope this dude falls to 6.

[navy]

Heat about to get him.

[onhcetum]

this is pretty unethical really. if u have spinal problems, the teams have the right to know before they drop 30 mill on you.

they should ban him from the draft (being serious).

[Rubio2Gasol]

this is pretty unethical really. if u have spinal problems, the teams have the right to know before they drop 30 mill on you.

they should ban him from the draft (being serious).

Not really.

If he refuses to release the records and you pick him, that's that. Organization has a choice.

[Clyde]

If the Cavs keep the pick I really cant see them passing on Embiid....though they did just draft Anthony Bennett so who knows.

It's not unlikely that these top players will somehow dictate where they end up more or less.

Embiid not releasing medical records, Exum only doing private workouts, this could make for an interesting draft.

[Clyde]

this is pretty unethical really. if u have spinal problems, the teams have the right to know before they drop 30 mill on you.

they should ban him from the draft (being serious).

it's unethical, but this is big business, which as we know, is highly unethical.

It's all about money, branding, and more money.

[ProfessorMurder]

this is pretty unethical really. if u have spinal problems, the teams have the right to know before they drop 30 mill on you.

they should ban him from the draft (being serious).

Oh yeah I'm sure if there was something wrong he'd just send out his records and flat out decline millions of dollars.

He doesn't owe anyone anything. If they pick him, it's on them.

It's the best move for him. He either drops to a less shitty team, or gets paid, or gets paid while having a f*cked up back.

[Meticode]

I'm fine with this, if the Cavs don't want to draft him because they're not sure on his back, then don't draft him.

[Akrazotile]

This is pretty big news, IMO.

Every spot you fall, is less guaranteed money. Agents dont want their guys to drop in the draft.

This isnt like skipping an event at the combine. People know hes had an issue and want assurance. If the records werent that bad, releasing them would actually help him. If his agent thinks hiding the med records is a safer bet than disclosing them... There are probably some very dicey things on them.

[Clyde]

This is pretty big news, IMO.

Every spot you fall, is less guaranteed money. Agents dont want their guys to drop in the draft.

This isnt like skipping an event at the combine. People know hes had an issue and want assurance. If the records werent that bad, releasing them would actually help him. If his agent thinks hiding the med records is a safer bet than disclosing them... There are probably some very dicey things on them.

A few dollars not to end up in Milwaukee isn't that big of a deal. Big players want big markets.

I understand he's losing out on his first contract, but Im sure they are assuming they can make that back elsewhere

[iamgine]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Clearly there should be a rule that if you choose to enter the NBA draft then all your medical records are forfeit to all NBA teams.

[Clyde]

Question, say Wiggins/Parker go 1 and 2, does Philly draft Embiid and pair him with Noel??

They basically have the same game, and neither strike me as a player who can play the 4 in today's NBA.

the plot thickens.......

[flipogb]

hope he drops off top 5, highly unlikely tho

[Akrazotile]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Clearly there should be a rule that if you choose to enter the NBA draft then all your medical records are forfeit to all NBA teams.


I agree with this, but if its not a rule right now I cant fault him for his strategy.

[Akrazotile]

Question, say Wiggins/Parker go 1 and 2, does Philly draft Embiid and pair him with Noel??

They basically have the same game, and neither strike me as a player who can play the 4 in today's NBA.

the plot thickens.......


If I were them Id draft Embiid for the value and play him alongside Noel. Once they both start to develop and you know what you have in each, you can always trade one of them if it doesnt look like theyll fit together well.

[Clyde]

I agree with this, but if its not a rule right now I cant fault him for his strategy.

it's a great strategy.

his agent is the same guy who got Tyreke Evans a 44million dollar, so I assume he knows what he's doing

[BlackVVaves]

Rather interesting.

Is the agent attempting to manuever his client into a better landing spot?

Or is he trying to withhold information that will obliterate his draft stock?

Could end up being a blessing for a team like Orlando or Utah, or a defining blow to their franchise that takes years to recover from...

[iamgine]

I agree with this, but if its not a rule right now I cant fault him for his strategy.
If it's not a rule right now then it's a big fail to whoever write the NBA rulebook.

[Eric Cartman]

Gonna draft like a fly if this goes on. Hope the Cavs draft him and he busts fantastically.

[Clyde]

If I were them Id draft Embiid for the value and play him alongside Noel. Once they both start to develop and you know what you have in each, you can always trade one of them if it doesnt look like theyll fit together well.

It's one way to do it. Pick the best available player and work it out later.

though if the scenario panned out like I said, i could see philly trading down for a ton of picks.

Every team past 3 wants in bad, and Philly's GM like stock piling assets.

I may be getting ahead of myself as we are only 2 days past the lotto.....but it's fun to speculate

[gts]

Clearly there should be a rule that if you choose to enter the NBA draft then all your medical records are forfeit to all NBA teams.


I agree...

Problem is he has to pass a team physical after he's drafted and before they'll offer a contract so it's not like he's guaranteeing himself a contract.

If there's something he's hiding all he doing is branding himself as the guy who screwed (*insert team name here) over

[onhcetum]

Oh yeah I'm sure if there was something wrong he'd just send out his records and flat out decline millions of dollars.

He doesn't owe anyone anything. If they pick him, it's on them.

It's the best move for him. He either drops to a less shitty team, or gets paid, or gets paid while having a f*cked up back.

it's a pretty shitty world we live in. no more accountable for ones own actions, every1 just looking for a shortcut to a pay day.

i'd be pissed if i were an owner (i'd still have billions, but that's beyond the point). what about on a smaller scale with a small business?

colleges can't release medical information on graduates who have mental issues who constantly saw consoling or "slower" students with ADHD who received extra time on exams and projects

and i think that's bullshit

and you think a business owner would want to know that? deadlines dont get pushed back in the real world...

[Clyde]

Rather interesting.

Is the agent attempting to manuever his client into a better landing spot?

Or is he trying to withhold information that will obliterate his draft stock?

Could end up being a blessing for a team like Orlando or Utah, or a defining blow to their franchise that takes years to recover from...

latest Simmons article (which I get some info from) states he (simmons) attended a private 2 hour workout and he looked great

Q: Wait

[Kiddlovesnets]

People say that you should always go for the bigs, but if I were a team's GM I wont use a top 10 pick on them. A PF like Anthony Davis is fine, but definitely not big and heavy centers. Look at Andrew Bogut and Greg Oden, the era of centers is totally done and they are way too injury-prone to make any impact in NBA.

[Milbuck]

This is where having the 2nd pick in a draft with a big 3, maybe 4, becomes critical. **** Embiid, we'll take Jabari or Exum.

[JohnFreeman]

Bucks should take Jabari

[maybeshewill13]

Article is a few days old, but the only reason to refuse to release medical records is if they're bad.

Think about it. Not releasing records has a chance of making him drop in the selections, which costs him and his agent money on the rookie deal. Why take that risk unless the records suggest something bad? If they were good you'd flaunt that shit and try get picked number one and get paid.

[ProfessorMurder]

it's a pretty shitty world we live in. no more accountable for ones own actions, every1 just looking for a shortcut to a pay day.

i'd be pissed if i were an owner (i'd still have billions, but that's beyond the point). what about on a smaller scale with a small business?

colleges can't release medical information on graduates who have mental issues who constantly saw consoling or "slower" students with ADHD who received extra time on exams and projects

and i think that's bullshit

and you think a business owner would want to know that? deadlines dont get pushed back in the real world...

Why do you immediately side with the owners and bosses?

Nobody is screwing you over, and you'd gladly take a payday if you were in their position.

[NumberSix]

Honestly, anyone who does this should be blackballed. Don't want to play for the Bucks? Go play in another league.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Honestly, anyone who does this should be blackballed. Don't want to play for the Bucks? Go play in another league.

Well the Bucks do seem to be an unwanted destination for young players, even trash like Yi Jianlian refused to play for them. Wont be surprised if Embiid does not either, although it may as well be them hiding his severeness of injury so he wont drop too bad.

[Clyde]

Article is a few days old, but the only reason to refuse to release medical records is if they're bad.

Think about it. Not releasing records has a chance of making him drop in the selections, which costs him and his agent money on the rookie deal. Why take that risk unless the records suggest something bad? If they were good you'd flaunt that shit and try get picked number one and get paid.

I think the assumption (his and his agents) is he will have a long career and make tons of money.

it not like the fall off in money is that big
http://content.draftexpress.com/gallery/General/1123040709.jpg

[Akrazotile]

[QUOTE=Clyde]latest Simmons article (which I get some info from) states he (simmons) attended a private 2 hour workout and he looked great

Q: Wait

[navy]

Honestly, anyone who does this should be blackballed. Don't want to play for the Bucks? Go play in another league.
Except the reason this works is because the other teams are looking for an advantage as well.

[Clyde]

basing my opinion on my belief he wouldnt fall past #4

and at 4 in orlando he pays 0 tax

[Clyde]

This renders everything else in that workout description meaningless, IMO.


There are tons of people who could look NBA Caliber in a workout against nobody. And most of them wouldnt make a D-1 college team.


Obviously this isnt the case with Embiid, my only point is that a workout against no competition is meaningless for analyzing anything useful about him.

the fact that he can move and have a 2 hour workout speaks volumes.

[oarabbus]

it's unethical, but this is big business, which as we know, is highly unethical.

It's all about money, branding, and more money.

Repworthy post if we had it.



the fact that he can move and have a 2 hour workout speaks volumes.


Clyde with solid posts throughout the topic. Basically agree with all points.

Although:


Honestly, anyone who does this should be blackballed. Don't want to play for the Bucks? Go play in another league.

I see the logic here too, this is a good point.

[Le Shaqtus]

Don't want no more centers in ORL, Vuc will do for now.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Honestly, anyone who does this should be blackballed. Don't want to play for the Bucks? Go play in another league.

Does what? Can the Bucks not pick him.

No one in the goddamn draft wants to play for the Bucks.

[gasolina]

So the nba decides it needs to protect itself from unproven 17 yr old high school kids entering the draft, but doesnt blink on possibly injured college freshmen?

[ZenMaster]

You don't hear about a stress fracture in the back too often.

If his back couldn't handle playing 30 something games it's going to take some work to play 82, good luck.

[tanner892]

is he good? can the heat get him?

[rhowen4]

Who really wants to go to the Bucks though?
i'll go to the bucks

holler at me mallory

[TheMilkyBarKid]

is he good? can the heat get him?
They got oden didn't they?

[nycelt84]

If it's not a rule right now then it's a big fail to whoever write the NBA rulebook.

Its not a fail. Federal law prohibits the NBA or any employer from doing what you're suggesting.

[RedBlackAttack]

This renders everything else in that workout description meaningless, IMO.


There are tons of people who could look NBA Caliber in a workout against nobody. And most of them wouldnt make a D-1 college team.


Obviously this isnt the case with Embiid, my only point is that a workout against no competition is meaningless for analyzing anything useful about him.
Lingering back issues would definitely be apparent in a setting like that. This article is a few days old and has already been debunked I believe. When I get home, I will find the recent reports conflicting with this one.

Regardless, there is a lot of posturing going on right now by both teams and agents. When it is all said and done, the Cavs will take Embiid because he's the best center prospect I have seen since Shaq. It's a no-brainer, imo.

The Bucks will have their choice of Wiggins/Parker. Not a bad place to be.

[RedBlackAttack]

You don't hear about a stress fracture in the back too often.
*
If his back couldn't handle playing 30 something games it's going to take some work to play 82, good luck.
Andre Drummond had almost exactly the same injury.

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

inb4 fall to the lakers at #7

[NattyPButter]

so u don't want to show any info on back well something must be wrong with his back if you want to hide it.

[navy]

so u don't want to show any info on back well something must be wrong with his back if you want to hide it.
No the article related to the bucks only. Trying to avoid going to Milbuck's house.

[deja vu]

Silver should force Embiid's agent to release his medical records. C'mon, the interests of NBA franchises should be protected. We don't want another Sam Bowie scenario where a player hides his injury so that he can be drafted higher than he should be.

[navy]

Silver should force Embiid's agent to release his medical records. C'mon, the interests of NBA franchises should be protected. We don't want another Sam Bowie scenario where a player hides his injury so that he can be drafted higher than he should be.
Releasing medical records is illegal.

[JtotheIzzo]

Cavs trade pick to Portland.

Portland picks Embiid.

Embiid never plays a full season and is forced into early retirement.

[RedBlackAttack]

Cavs trade pick to Portland.

Portland picks Embiid.

Embiid never plays a full season and is forced into early retirement.
So... we get Aldridge?

[BoutPractice]

I'd still take a chance on him.

Rewatching the different prospects, in terms of pure tools/NBA potential he is flat out better than all of them. There's more separation than I thought. Lot of risk but you're talking about a potential dynasty and when you're that bad you'd rather gamble than go for mediocrity.

Maybe he falls to a smart team with more options (generally speaking smart teams have more options anyway).

Los Angeles is a possibility of course...

But the most fun scenario is this: if there's real injury uncertainty, Philadelphia could land an absolute coup by getting both a top 3 pick (logically, Parker or Exum) AND Embiid. Already did this with Nerlens Noel. If Embiid doesn't pan out, they still have their early lottery pick, which would be huge for any team, and if he does... you may be in the best scenario looking at a young team with healthy MCW, Exum/Parker, Noel, and Embiid, which you can either develop together or turn into stars.

[russwest0]

I'd still take a chance on him.

Rewatching the different prospects, in terms of pure tools/NBA potential he is flat out better than all of them. There's more separation than I thought. Lot of risk but you're talking about a potential dynasty and when you're that bad you'd rather gamble than go for mediocrity.

Maybe he falls to a smart team with more options (generally speaking smart teams have more options anyway).

Los Angeles is a possibility of course...

But the most fun scenario is this: if there's real injury uncertainty, Philadelphia could land an absolute coup by getting both a top 3 pick (logically, Parker or Exum) AND Embiid. Already did this with Nerlens Noel. If Embiid doesn't pan out, they still have their early lottery pick, which would be huge for any team, and if he does... you may be in the best scenario looking at a young team with healthy MCW, Exum/Parker, Noel, and Embiid, which you can either develop together or turn into stars.

Embiid ain't falling all the way down to pick 10

[RedBlackAttack]

I'd still take a chance on him.

Rewatching the different prospects, in terms of pure tools/NBA potential he is flat out better than all of them. There's more separation than I thought. Lot of risk but you're talking about a potential dynasty and when you're that bad you'd rather gamble than go for mediocrity.

Maybe he falls to a smart team with more options (generally speaking smart teams have more options anyway).

Los Angeles is a possibility of course...

But the most fun scenario is this: if there's real injury uncertainty, Philadelphia could land an absolute coup by getting both a top 3 pick (logically, Parker or Exum) AND Embiid. Already did this with Nerlens Noel. If Embiid doesn't pan out, they still have their early lottery pick, which would be huge for any team, and if he does... you may be in the best scenario looking at a young team with healthy MCW, Exum/Parker, Noel, and Embiid, which you can either develop together or turn into stars.
:wtf:

Embiid will undeniably be a Top 3 pick unless he's motoring around in one of those grocery store scooters because of his back. His injury is nothing like Noel's and his ceiling is about 100 floors higher. Noel was 206 pounds at the combine. Embiid has his length, except in a giant frame (he's already listed at 250) and he has a lot of filling out to do.

And, he's apparently healthy enough to work out currently.

I'd still be very surprised if he's not the No. 1 pick. Creating scenarios where he drops to 7 or 10(!) is a waste of your time.

[BoutPractice]

I don't know, we've seen this before. Extreme scenarios happen all the time in this league.

It's like the stock market, people forget the fundamentals and get excited for nothing.

[DukeDelonte13]

i thought this rumor was known to be fake...


it doesn't make any sense considering any team that works him out is going to do their own independent testing.

[Rubio2Gasol]

i thought this rumor was known to be fake...


it doesn't make any sense considering any team that works him out is going to do their own independent testing.

It would be interesting to see who he actually works out for. Could.very well be a ploy to avoid spending g 5 years in Miluakeee lol.

[ZenMaster]

Andre Drummond had almost exactly the same injury.

[QUOTE]Embiid's injury presumably occurred because of the torque placed on his lumbar spine when his enormous frame lunges for a rebound or bends over for a loose ball. Being seven feet tall means that every time he twists or turns, he's subjected to greater torque than the rest of us. Imagine holding a pencil by its very tip and wobbling it back and forth. Now imagine the pencil is seven feet long

[the wise man]

Come to Miami

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[bigt]

The furthest embiid is dropping is going to be 6 to the celtics. We drafted Sully with back issues, he had a shaky rookie year, but looked solid last season. Him and embiid can work on their back issues together.

Agreed, if by some miracle Embiid isn't picked in the top 5 the Celtics truly are riding the luck of the Irish. There's simply too much potential upside with Embiid to pass up I think, especially once you're outside the top 3. Sometimes you have to take a risk or two for a team to make it to the top.

[mattvNJ]

Come to Miami

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

god i ****ing hate you guys.

Also hes not slipping past 3.

Cavs- Embiid
Mil- Wiggins
Philly- Parker

Unless Cavs make their classic style of pick, Snaggy Doughy Phresh Mcdermott first :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Clyde]

Come to Miami

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

:facepalm

[no pun intended]

http://i.imgur.com/RvQdozM.jpg

he wants it bad

[nightprowler10]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Clearly there should be a rule that if you choose to enter the NBA draft then all your medical records are forfeit to all NBA teams.
I could be wrong, but I don't think they can make that a rule. A person's medical records can only be forcefully opened by the feds I think.

[Jailblazers7]

There is no scenario where I see Embiid making it past Philly. The Sixers would probably more than happy to take Embiid and sit him for however long the doctors say he needs to if his back still needs recovery time.

[D-FENS]

Drop to 6 to Boston. Perfect fit for him.

[DukeDelonte13]

There is no scenario where I see Embiid making it past Philly. The Sixers would probably more than happy to take Embiid and sit him for however long the doctors say he needs to if his back still needs recovery time.


if Embiid's back is medically cleared, he's going 1 or 2... in the unlikely event that he's cleared and he slips to 3, i think philly should take him but if they are seeing that Noel can beast in practice maybe they go a different route.

[imnew09]

Falls to 7, he wants the Lakers

[FireDavidKahn]

Clearly forcing his way to Minnesota in a Kevin Love trade.:banana:

[Jailblazers7]

if Embiid's back is medically cleared, he's going 1 or 2... in the unlikely event that he's cleared and he slips to 3, i think philly should take him but if they are seeing that Noel can beast in practice maybe they go a different route.

Yeah, in my mind there is like a 1% chance Embiid gets passed up by both. But if he does, then the Sixers would definitely take him regardless of Noel. Play Nerlens at the 4 and Embiid at the 5.

Noel strikes me as more of a PF anyway. Best when he is playing facing the hoop, should be a good p'n'r guy, and can run around crash the boards. Embiid is a legit 5 who can actually read defenses and pass out of the post. I don't see any reason why he couldn't play alongside Noel. Defensively, that duo would be unreal because Nerlens (at least pre-injury) is so damn quick for his size that guarding smaller 4's shouldn't be a huge problem.

[stalkerforlife]

I wouldn't touch this kid until after around pick 10.