Bill Russell and Wilt out of the goat conversation.

[Im so nba'd out]

The thing that these bill and wilt stans never bring up...





There was around 8 teams in the league when they were racking up championship...So never bring them up again in goat conversation threads thank you in advance :cheers: .

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What are your thoughts on Mikan, my friend?

[Deuce Bigalow]

What are your thoughts on Mikan, my friend?
No one even doubts Mikan on here. I mean how could you doubt such greatness?

[Im so nba'd out]

basically if you won your division today you would be awarded a championship in the 60's....so ya that pretty much wipes them out of all goat conversations.

[Im so nba'd out]

#Top5alltime
ya have fun with that
http://i.imgur.com/xM0lzo2.gif

[RoundMoundOfReb]

No one even doubts Mikan on here. I mean how could you doubt such greatness?
Check out my new thread. Would love to hear your thoughts...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10034360#post10034360

[finchyyy]

You do realise that if there is less teams, every team is much stronger right?

[Im so nba'd out]

less teams = harder to win.....6'6 centers... stronger league...........1950's.......bill russell in goat conversations...............http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Rapper-TI-Laughing1.gif

[Lebron23]

You do realise that if there is less teams, every team is much stronger right?


not really. The Celtics roster were just way better than their opponents.

[Im so nba'd out]

o ya and i forgot russell played with 8 hall of fames ya he is banned from all goat conversations i think we are all in agreement :cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

Russell won five rings in leagues that had nine teams, another ring in a league with 12 teams, and his final ring, without HCA in any series, in a league of 14 teams.

Chamberlain only played two seasons in leagues with eight teams, five seasons in a leagues with nine teams, one season in a league with 10 teams, one season in a league with 12 teams, two seasons in leagues with 14 teams, and two seasons in leagues with 17 teams.

BTW, I could make a pretty good argument that the '67 Lakers had as much talent as the '14 Heat. Their record that year... 36-45.


Wilt won as many titles in 17 team leagues as Kareem did. In fact, he went to more Finals in his their four years in the league together (a 3-1 edge.) He also played on a 69-13 team in one of those 17 team leagues, and BTW, they not only won 33 straight games that year, they won them by an average margin of 16 ppg.

[Psileas]

The thing that these bill and wilt stans never bring up...





There was around 8 teams in the league when they were racking up championship...So never bring them up again in goat conversation threads thank you in advance :cheers: .

Too bad your team has never won a single title ever since the 4 round format was introduced and only made the Finals once. Therefore, it needs to historically be brought to the same level with teams like Indiana and nowhere near teams like the Heat. :cheers:

[BoutPractice]

Talent gets distributed according to the number of teams, and the competition always rises to the top in the Finals regardless.

[r15mohd]

Talent gets distributed according to the number of teams, and the competition always rises to the top in the Finals regardless.

yes that notion, in hindsight, is correct but it's very flawed using it as a foundation for the 1950/60s...talent was no where in comparison to what has been available from the 80s to present

[Psileas]

yes that notion, in hindsight, is correct but it's very flawed using it as a foundation for the 1950/60s...talent was no where in comparison to what has been available from the 80s to present

Why do you (and many others) put the 50s and 60s in the same sentence apart from the fact that they are both mostly presented in black and white films? Early-mid 50's NBA was almost exclusively white, while mid-late 60's NBA was mainly black and already attracting elite talent. And Wilt+Russell had no problem dominating those leagues. Not to mention that, at their position, it's tougher to hide competition. After all, 6'10+ humans have never been a usual sight, any such person who shows decent basketball skill is attracting interest by high level leagues and so was the case back then.

[ForeverHeat]

Those guys were great for their generation, but would get eaten alive today. Everyone today is much wiser in their preparation, the games standards have improved over many decades. Everyone is also stronger, taller and faster. Russell and Wilt would at best as good as someone like Hibbert or Howard, and thats putting it nicely. Certainly not GOAT.

[PHILA]

Everyone is also stronger, taller and faster. Russell and Wilt would at best as good as someone like Hibbert or Howard, and thats putting it nicely
John Salley is yet another player (from the modern era) who has stated that Chamberlain is the strongest man he ever met in his life.



http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/29/john-salley-talks-about-veganism-and-the-nba/

Aug 29, 2013

Then there is John Salley, the former Pistons Bad Boy and current sports talk personality, who has taken the next step and is vegan (he does not use or ingest animal products, so for example no cheese, yogurt or eggs). He talked about that change and why he did it, speaking with Ethan Sherwood Strauss in a fascinating interview at TrueHoop. (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/62516/john-salley-on-veganism-in-the-nba)

(http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/62516/john-salley-on-veganism-in-the-nba)
The first question was did Salley switch to veganism for health reasons?
Yeah. When Wilt Chamberlain died. Any kind of blockage is heart disease; when you have a blood clot anywhere, that’s heart disease. When Wilt Chamberlain died, strongest man I ever met in my life, I started paying attention.

[jlip]

The thing that these bill and wilt stans never bring up...





There was around 8 teams in the league when they were racking up championship...So never bring them up again in goat conversation threads thank you in advance :cheers: .

How can someone who has been posting here since '08 act like bringing up the number teams in the 60's is a new revelation? There is a thread with this same stale and tired argument at least once a week.

[LAZERUSS]

I'll say it again...

Go up and down the rosters of the 10 team league in '67, and tell me that those were weak teams.

[Psileas]

Those guys were great for their generation, but would get eaten alive today. Everyone today is much wiser in their preparation, the games standards have improved over many decades. Everyone is also stronger, taller and faster. Russell and Wilt would at best as good as someone like Hibbert or Howard, and thats putting it nicely. Certainly not GOAT.

Why the heck would they be worse today than they actually were back then? Hibbert and Howard look like jokes compared to Wilt and Russell even without era adjustments (Hibbert grabs 1 rebound every 2 eternities, Howard learns 1 offensive move not called "dunk" just as often), yet Wilt and Russell today would only be as good as them, with (or even without) era adjustments?

Yeah, I can easily depict a 34 y.o (and coming off a serious injury and a 70's level of medical treatment) Hibbert individually playing healthy, 23-24 y.o Kareem to a standstill for a whole postseason like Wilt did, his series against Washington and Marcin "GOATat" Gortat made it clear...:rolleyes:

[LAZERUSS]

Why the heck would they be worse today than they actually were back then? Hibbert and Howard look like jokes compared to Wilt and Russell even without era adjustments (Hibbert grabs 1 rebound every 2 eternities, Howard learns 1 offensive move not called "dunk" just as often), yet Wilt and Russell today would only be as good as them, with (or even without) era adjustments?

Yeah, I can easily depict a 34 y.o (and coming off a serious injury and a 70's level of medical treatment) Hibbert individually playing healthy, 23-24 y.o Kareem to a standstill for a whole postseason like Wilt did, his series against Washington and Marcin "GOATat" Gortat made it clear...:rolleyes:

Well, Hibbert did hold Gortat to a 31 point, 16 rebound game in one of them.

[Marchesk]

And how many teams in today's league are contenders? You can probably start by removing half the teams from consideration.

Anyway, Russell's teams were busy denying Wilt, Oscar, Thurmond, West, Baylor, and Petit teams.

[Wally450]

In another 60 years when there's 60 teams in the NBA and we look back at this era, will we be able to say LeBron, Kobe and Shaq aren't all time greats because there's only 30 teams?

[atljonesbro]

Hilarious how they get a pass too :oldlol: People go so far out of their way to make excuses. Smaller league, smaller talent pool for the league = MUCH easier championships. Russell would not win near as many championship in a full league with the talent pool we have today.

Pathetic we just give this guy a free pass. 8 team league :facepalm

[Psileas]

In another 60 years when there's 60 teams in the NBA and we look back at this era, will we be able to say LeBron, Kobe and Shaq aren't all time greats because there's only 30 teams?

You can bet that our children and even more so our grandchildren will discredit the players of this generation. Not all of them, but in general, this will be the trend, as it's always been. Every generation wants to believe that only they lived the GOATs. "Been there, done that" situation for older generations who will have known better.

[fpliii]

People like the OP and his supporters want Russ and Wilt to go away so ****ing bad so they can prop their favorite players up another two spots. :oldlol:

[casual_fan]

How can you be in the goat conversation, if your opponents couldn

[The-Legend-24]

They were never in it to begin with.

[ArbitraryWater]

Question for you: If you cut today's league in half, you think a Howard, Curry, Paul, Melo, etc. will leave the league, or the "bums" ?
Wouldn't like 10 teams own 2-3 all stars?

[TheMan]

Question for you: If you cut today's league in half, you think a Howard, Curry, Paul, Melo, etc. will leave the league, or the "bums" ?
Wouldn't like 10 teams own 2-3 all stars?
This

Imagine that if Major League Baseball cut their league to 8 teams, every team would have stud pitching rotations.

[Marchesk]

Question for you: If you cut today's league in half, you think a Howard, Curry, Paul, Melo, etc. will leave the league, or the "bums" ?
Wouldn't like 10 teams own 2-3 all stars?

It would be a better league. Don't need to go all the way down to 10 teams, but say 20? Much more competitive.

[ForeverHeat]

[QUOTE=casual_fan]How can you be in the goat conversation, if your opponents couldn

[casual_fan]

Question for you: If you cut today's league in half, you think a Howard, Curry, Paul, Melo, etc. will leave the league, or the "bums" ?
Wouldn't like 10 teams own 2-3 all stars?

Yes the remaining teams would be stacked. It still would be easier to win if all teams are equally stacked and you need to win less games for a title.

The likelihood to" luck out " an win a title due to a match up advantage or something similar increases.

[Im so nba'd out]

People like the OP and his supporters want Russ and Wilt to go away so ****ing bad so they can prop their favorite players up another two spots. :oldlol:
who would get proped up on the sixers :confusedshrug: thats the thing i have no agenda im LEN UNBIASED i just call it how i see it.The game takes way more skill to be good now and coaches have advanced 50-60 years with schemes to think that wilt or bill russell would dominate in any era is absurd...

[MavsSuperFan]

You do realise that if there is less teams, every team is much stronger right?
you do realize the total population of the us was much smaller and there were no international players, and teams had racial quotas which made them choose inferior white players right?

[MavsSuperFan]

[QUOTE=casual_fan]How can you be in the goat conversation, if your opponents couldn

[MavsSuperFan]

This

Imagine that if Major League Baseball cut their league to 8 teams, every team would have stud pitching rotations.
in the 60s the nba had many structural problems.

1. the compensation for most of the league was low. this diverts talent away from the nba. Although stars like wilt were relatively well compensated (they made less than what is nba min now) most players had to work second jobs and jobs in the offseason to make ends meet. the stars of that era were in some ways beating up semi pro players.

2. zero international players and the US had a much smaller population

3. racial quotas. teams didnt try to have the best possible team. they tried to keep white faces.

[MavsSuperFan]

yes that notion, in hindsight, is correct but it's very flawed using it as a foundation for the 1950/60s...talent was no where in comparison to what has been available from the 80s to present
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[2010splash]

Russell and Wilt were great players for their time of course, but they dominated in a WEAK ASS era and had very little competition compared to today. The game has improved by leaps and bounds (a natural consequence of time passing) and the players of the 60's were far inferior physically/athletically to the players of today.

Russell and his Celtics aren't winning a single title against this Heat team. If you transported LeBron or Durant back to Russell and Wilt's era, they'd average video game stats like 60/20/10 on like 70% shooting.

[Im so nba'd out]

didn't the players back in the 50's and 60's have to look at the ball when they dribbled........
http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/857421.gif

[casual_fan]

in the 60s the nba had many structural problems.

1. the compensation for most of the league was low. this diverts talent away from the nba. Although stars like wilt were relatively well compensated (they made less than what is nba min now) most players had to work second jobs and jobs in the offseason to make ends meet. the stars of that era were in some ways beating up semi pro players.

2. zero international players and the US had a much smaller population

3. racial quotas. teams didnt try to have the best possible team. they tried to keep white faces.


:applause:

Nothing but the truth. However, you are wasting your time with these 50s fans. They are just trolls.

Nobody believes that Wilt or Russel would dominate todays league. It must be a hipster / irony thing or something...:confusedshrug:

I don

[Akrazotile]

What are your thoughts on Mikan, my friend?


WOAT

Dude dominated in an era of 3'9 cig-smoking white circus midgets before the concept of "running" was even widely known to most people.

In todays game he wouldnt even be qualified to be a ball boy in the d-league.

[atljonesbro]

in the 60s the nba had many structural problems.

1. the compensation for most of the league was low. this diverts talent away from the nba. Although stars like wilt were relatively well compensated (they made less than what is nba min now) most players had to work second jobs and jobs in the offseason to make ends meet. the stars of that era were in some ways beating up semi pro players.

2. zero international players and the US had a much smaller population

3. racial quotas. teams didnt try to have the best possible team. they tried to keep white faces.
Exactly. People act like the talent pool was up to par to today's league :oldlol: Russell is NOT winning 11 championships in a 30 team league with today's talent pool. Not even close.

[Psileas]

People like the OP and his supporters want Russ and Wilt to go away so ****ing bad so they can prop their favorite players up another two spots.

+1
And they use the old, tired Goebbelian tactics: Ignore facts, just repeat a lie multiple times, attract as many trolling peers as possible to sing the lie in unison, and it will start looking like truth.

This is an ultra-tolerant board, so trolls can repeat that centers were 6'5, that they had only 1 hand, that they played on 8 foot rims and whatever other BS for as long as they love, but it won't change that they don't know sh!t. Wilt and Russell will be GOAT candidates forever among NBA historians (something that none of these people could ever become) and history lovers.

[Marchesk]

Nobody believes that Wilt or Russel would dominate todays league. It must be a hipster / irony thing or something...

Just like nobody believes Kareem would dominate today's super-skilled centers.

An all-star center goes 0/0 in not one but two playoff games.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What a dominant era.

[Psileas]

WOAT

Dude dominated in an era of 3'9 cig-smoking white circus midgets before the concept of "running" was even widely known to most people.

In todays game he wouldnt even be qualified to be a ball boy in the d-league.

How is "as big as Africa" Greenland? Yet to be recognized as a continent?

[Shade8780]

MJ > Russell > Kareem > Bird > Magic > Wilt

[MavsSuperFan]

How is "as big as Africa" Greenland? Yet to be recognized as a continent?
Africa is huge, im not sure if its the largest continent or asia is.

http://static02.mediaite.com/geekosystem/uploads/2010/10/true-size-of-africa.jpg

[casual_fan]

Just like nobody believes Kareem would dominate today's super-skilled centers.

An all-star center goes 0/0 in not one but two playoff games.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

What a dominant era.


Center don't develop post games, because the new rules make post ups less effective. Doesn't change the fact that todays game is far superior.

Btw. 0 / 0 is a realistic season average for a lot of old school players in todays league :roll:

Hibbert is trash though. In any era

[LAZERUSS]

Might as well post this here, too...


Again,

You would never see a 6-8 white guy running away with the rebounding title in the 2010's. Or a 37 year old 6-2 white guy leading the league in assists, and in only 33 mpg, in the '10's. Or a 6-11 injury-prone, cement shoed, white guy leading the league in bpg in the '10's. Or a 6-3 white PG, playing full time, shooting .357 (with a season high of .381) in the '10's.

Nope, that only happened in the 50's.

[Marchesk]

Africa is huge, im not sure if its the largest continent or asia is.

Asia is, and it's not even close.

Square Miles:
Asia: 17,212,000
Africa: 11,608,000

Greenland: 836,330
Algeria: 919,595

Africa is real big. But Asia is GOAT. However, Greenland has ice two freaking miles high on top of it.

And Population:
Asia: 4.3 billion
Rest of the World: 2.7 billion

Don't mess with Asia!

[Real14]

If they out of tha conversation then lebronna iz definitely out of that conversation az well.

[Marchesk]

I forgot, today is a weak era for continents. The true GOAT continent, Pangea:

http://geology.csupomona.edu/drjessey/class/Gsc101/pangea.gif

[Psileas]

Center don't develop post games, because the new rules make post ups less effective. Doesn't change the fact that todays game is far superior.

Looks like an excuse. Is this why there have been so few centers with good post moves ever since Shaq had been beasting back in the early 2000s?
So, if the rules were friendly towards the centers, this would excuse guards from developing perimeter games?

As for the game's superiority, you can make the same argument of today vs the 80's and 90's and the same will be done in 2030 vs today. If you are unable to respect older eras, expect this shit to come back at you and hit you somewhere in the future.



Btw. 0 / 0 is a realistic season average for a lot of old school players in todays league

Hibbert is trash though. In any era

What matters in the end is the bolded. Because you can't argue with the reality, that he did put up 0/0. No hypotheticals here.


Asia is, and it's not even close.

Square Miles:
Asia: 17,212,000
Africa: 11,608,000

Greenland: 836,330
Algeria: 919,595

Africa is real big. But Asia is GOAT. However, Greenland has ice two freaking miles high on top of it.

And Population:
Asia: 4.3 billion
Rest of the World: 2.7 billion

Don't mess with Asia!

Yes, Asia is the biggest continent.
I was making fun of a stupid thread that the other guy had opened and argued that Greenland was as big as Africa.

[oarabbus]

Africa is huge, im not sure if its the largest continent or asia is.



Asia is FAR larger than AFrica.

[mehyaM24]

nope. much as i think wilt is overrated,he deserves to be top 10 and in most goat discussions.

i don't believe he was on the caliber of a PEAK jordan/shaq/kareem/bird/magic.....but you cant deny the numbers (significant postseason dropoff) he put up.

[LAZERUSS]

Looks like an excuse. Is this why there have been so few centers with good post moves ever since Shaq had been beasting back in the early 2000s?
So, if the rules were friendly towards the centers, this would excuse guards from developing perimeter games?

As for the game's superiority, you can make the same argument of today vs the 80's and 90's and the same will be done in 2030 vs today. If you are unable to respect older eras, expect this shit to come back at you and hit you somewhere in the future.



What matters in the end is the bolded. Because you can't argue with the reality, that he did put up 0/0. No hypotheticals here.



Yes, Asia is the biggest continent.
I was making fun of a stupid thread that the other guy had opened and argued that Greenland was as big as Africa.

Hell, a nearly 37 year old Shaq, as recently as 2009, and only playing 30 mpg, averaged 18 ppg on a .609 FG%, and won an All-Star MVP.

[Im so nba'd out]

+1
And they use the old, tired Goebbelian tactics: Ignore facts, just repeat a lie multiple times, attract as many trolling peers as possible to sing the lie in unison, and it will start looking like truth.

This is an ultra-tolerant board, so trolls can repeat that centers were 6'5, that they had only 1 hand, that they played on 8 foot rims and whatever other BS for as long as they love, but it won't change that they don't know sh!t. Wilt and Russell will be GOAT candidates forever among NBA historians (something that none of these people could ever become) and history lovers.
this would sound real good and maybe trick people if i was proping up a playrt but im not.Im just saying what everyone thinks i am not trying to get attention for none of my favorite players.Im not trying to say how they would avg 8/8 in today's game.All im saying is they played vs 8 teams and should not be in the goat conversation.

[Psileas]

this was sound real good and maybe trick people if i was proping up a playing but im not.Im just saying whatever one thinks i am not trying to get attention for none of my favorite players.Im not trying to say how they would avg 8/8 in today's game.All im saying is they played vs 8 teams and should not be in the goat conversation.

Even if the "8 teams" argument held much water, it should be a non factor as to whether someone should be in the GOAT discussion. According to this "logic", Jordan growing up (or time traveling, as ISHers love so much to "do") in that era should not be a GOAT candidate either.
But it's secondary, really. Because of these facts: Russell won back to back titles in the NCAA, with hundreds of teams competing. He won titles in the late 60's, when teams were more than 8, and did so without HCA at times, and Wilt was still his biggest competitor. Wilt's teams did better when teams became more in the 70's, not worse. When Russell retired, it took 19 years till any other team repeated and 24 years till any other team 3peated. Kareem individually dominated the 70's, but never managed to win a 2nd title during that span, let alone repeat, let alone win anywhere near as much as Russell, and that's a player who began his career immediately when Russell retired. So, if Russell isn't a GOAT candidate, then Kareem should not even be a top-20 candidate...
Such facts make "8 teams" types of arguments seem lame.

[sd3035]

Poor man's Javale McGee and Ben Wallace in today's league

-real talk

[Draz]

Poor mans Mozgov and Lee

[Marchesk]

Poor mans Kareem Hakeem O'Neil.

[casual_fan]

Looks like an excuse. Is this why there have been so few centers with good post moves ever since Shaq had been beasting back in the early 2000s?
So, if the rules were friendly towards the centers, this would excuse guards from developing perimeter games?

As for the game's superiority, you can make the same argument of today vs the 80's and 90's and the same will be done in 2030 vs today. If you are unable to respect older eras, expect this shit to come back at you and hit you somewhere in the future.



What matters in the end is the bolded. Because you can't argue with the reality, that he did put up 0/0. No hypotheticals here.



Yes, Asia is the biggest continent.
I was making fun of a stupid thread that the other guy had opened and argued that Greenland was as big as Africa.

If Basketball stays popular of course the game will be better in 2030. By then i will freely admit it and won

[Akrazotile]

Poor mans Antoine Walker

[jongib369]

So did Kareem not learn how to play the game until the 80's? What you guys are saying about the 60's you'd think he'd be averaging 30 rebounds and 60 PPG his rookie year into the next few.....Considering he'd be by far the best center today, and how he held his own against centers like Hakeem and Ewing at such an old age...How could Wilt hold his own against him if Kareem wasn't EXTREMELY underdeveloped like you assume they all were?..... Don't think any of you put much thought into this lol....A lot are trolling but some of you :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2U4JSrpO78


To those of you who think the 60s/70s sucked, what would Dwight average against these guys

Wilt

Russell

Thurmond

Reed

Malone

[LAZERUSS]

So did Kareem not learn how to play the game until the 80's? What you guys are saying about the 60's you'd think he'd be averaging 30 rebounds and 60 PPG his rookie year into the next few.....Considering he'd be by far the best center today, and how he held his own against centers like Hakeem and Ewing at such an old age...How could Wilt hold his own against him if Kareem wasn't EXTREMELY underdeveloped like you assume they all were?..... Don't think any of you put much thought into this lol....A lot are trolling but some of you :facepalm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2U4JSrpO78


To those of you who think the 60s/70s sucked, what would Dwight average against these guys

Wilt

Russell

Thurmond

Reed

Malone

He likely would not have scored against Wilt, Russell, or Thurmond. He would have been torched by Reed at the offensive end. And Moses would have battered him until he gave up and went home crying (which probably would not have been long.)

Those five would make a mockery of today's NBA.

[jongib369]

He likely would not have scored against Wilt, Russell, or Thurmond. He would have been torched by Reed at the offensive end. And Moses would have battered him until he gave up and went home crying (which probably would not have been long.)

Those five would make a mockery of today's NBA.
Yeah his FG% would likely be pretty bad against those guys, especially Thurmond and Wilt with the size advantage they have over him. Good luck getting position Dwight, god knows what his footwork would look like...

Would love to see Reed and Jefferson go at it.

I could watch this guy post up all day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNdz7IAnsZs

[GimmeThat]

The thing that these bill and wilt stans never bring up...





There was around 8 teams in the league when they were racking up championship...So never bring them up again in goat conversation threads thank you in advance :cheers: .



maybe my kids won't call me a chimpanzee

[deja vu]

Put Kevin Love in the 60s and he would dominate with 40 ppg + 25 rpg and win several titles.

[fpliii]

+1
And they use the old, tired Goebbelian tactics: Ignore facts, just repeat a lie multiple times, attract as many trolling peers as possible to sing the lie in unison, and it will start looking like truth.

This is an ultra-tolerant board, so trolls can repeat that centers were 6'5, that they had only 1 hand, that they played on 8 foot rims and whatever other BS for as long as they love, but it won't change that they don't know sh!t. Wilt and Russell will be GOAT candidates forever among NBA historians (something that none of these people could ever become) and history lovers.
:applause:

[LAZERUSS]

Put Kevin Love in the 60s and he would dominate with 40 ppg + 25 rpg and win several titles.

He was basically the same height, and close to the same weight, and with the same athleticism and skill-set as Jerry Lucas. Lucas had a two 20-20 seasons in his career, and had his clock cleaned by Wilt in their H2H's.

That means, put Wilt in the 2010's, and I guess he would have exceeded his 50-25 seasons.

[Marchesk]

Put Kevin Love in the 60s and he would dominate with 40 ppg + 25 rpg and win several titles.

Empty stats doe

[Psileas]

Here is the type of titles Love would win:


"Wilt outscores Love 57-23, Love's Pistons miss playoffs for 8th season in a row."

[jongib369]

Here is the type of titles Love would win:


"Wilt outscores Love 57-23, Love's Pistons miss playoffs for 8th season in a row."
Stan Love, Kevin's 6-8 father, played at Oregon and then for the Baltimore Bullets and the Lakers in a four-year NBA career, so he usually gets credit for his son's all-around game.

But he doesn't take it. Stan says Kevin seems to have been born with a feel for when and where to throw the basketball.

That said, though, there was always a deep appreciation around the Love household for big men who could play. Kevin's middle name — Wesley — is a tribute to one of them. Wes Unseld was a teammate of Stan's on the Bullets.

Many basketball professionals, UCLA Coach Ben Howland included, say Love is the best passing big man since Unseld.

That means something to Kevin, because he appreciates basketball history. One of his favorite stories is about his dad once dunking on Wilt Chamberlain.

"Yeah," Stan says, "It's true. But here's the rest of the story: The next four times up the court Wilt was pointing at me and dunked in my face. Four times in a row."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq8tB5ivQEU

[LAZERUSS]

Stan Love, Kevin's 6-8 father, played at Oregon and then for the Baltimore Bullets and the Lakers in a four-year NBA career, so he usually gets credit for his son's all-around game.

But he doesn't take it. Stan says Kevin seems to have been born with a feel for when and where to throw the basketball.

That said, though, there was always a deep appreciation around the Love household for big men who could play. Kevin's middle name — Wesley — is a tribute to one of them. Wes Unseld was a teammate of Stan's on the Bullets.

Many basketball professionals, UCLA Coach Ben Howland included, say Love is the best passing big man since Unseld.

That means something to Kevin, because he appreciates basketball history. One of his favorite stories is about his dad once dunking on Wilt Chamberlain.

"Yeah," Stan says, "It's true. But here's the rest of the story: The next four times up the court Wilt was pointing at me and dunked in my face. Four times in a row."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq8tB5ivQEU

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[cltcfn2924]

Those guys were great for their generation, but would get eaten alive today. Everyone today is much wiser in their preparation, the games standards have improved over many decades. Everyone is also stronger, taller and faster. Russell and Wilt would at best as good as someone like Hibbert or Howard, and thats putting it nicely. Certainly not GOAT.
Well, Wilt is dead and Russell is 80+. When you want to displace someone from an era, you have to give them the same benefits of training, to do otherwise is just to fit your agenda. We need to stop having these completely irrelevant threads, they don't mean s*&t.

[Psileas]

Well, Wilt is dead and Russell is 80+. When you want to displace someone from an era, you have to give them the same benefits of training, to do otherwise is just to fit your agenda. We need to stop having these completely irrelevant threads, they don't mean s*&t.

That's the point. Why so many fans who don't want to be labelled as trolls or idiots ignore this simple logic is beyond me. And when it comes to talent, are there so many people who actually believe that every new generation is more naturally talented than its previous one at dealing with an artificial creation that didn't even exist before 1891? :oldlol:

Btw, I'm sure all those guys are so unfortunate they didn't live in Dr Naismith's era and didn't have the chance to invent basketball in its modern form, letting some grandpa steal their glory by inventing some game with upside down chairs. :lol