more overrated: duncan vs wade

[mehyaM24]

duncan: role player the last 6-7 years, yet credited ALL of the spurs' success. also has 2 of the GOAT international players, GOAT coach, system and played with another HOF center in david robinson

wade: dwhistle says it all

:confusedshrug:

[navy]

Who let you out the asylum?

[RagaZ]

Wade is overrated.

I rate Parker higher than Wade in the All Time list if Parker wins the FMVP this season.

[Milbuck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTGjjeMQ_cM

[T_L_P]

Duncan in the last 7 years: 18.0 PPG / 10.5 PPG / 2.5 APG / 0.7 SPG / 1.8 BPG

Defensive anchor, best player on his team over that period of time (not every year, collectively).

Role player. :roll:

[mehyaM24]

Wade is overrated.

I rate Parker higher than Wade in the All Time list if Parker wins the FMVP this season.

parker is very underrated bro. he was the leader of this and last years spurs team,no question.

i wouldnt argue with anyone rating him higher than wade alltime :confusedshrug:

[T_L_P]

parker is very underrated bro. he was the leader of this and last years spurs team,no question.

i wouldnt argue with anyone rating him higher than wade alltime :confusedshrug:

Address this please


Duncan in the last 7 years: 18.0 PPG / 10.5 PPG / 2.5 APG / 0.7 SPG / 1.8 BPG

Defensive anchor, best player on his team over that period of time (not every year, collectively).

[aboss4real24]

TD Does nuthn special , hes overrated

Blake will b better than him wen its all sed n dun

[Uncle Drew]

TD Does nuthn special , hes overrated

Blake will b better than him wen its all sed n dun
:roll:

[robert_shaww]

Tim Duncan is the most overrated player in the nba in the last 10 years. and Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker the most underrated in the same period.

[T_L_P]

TD Does nuthn special , hes overrated

Blake will b better than him wen its all sed n dun

Blake is getting knocked out of the Playoffs year-in, year-out with an MVP candidate.

Duncan won a title with a past-his-prime David Robinson and a bunch of washed up vets.

Blake's gonna have to be a 30 PPG scorer on 60% FG to make up for the massive difference on defense. Blake's can't even score more on the fastest, highest scoring team in the league. :roll:

[mehyaM24]

TD Does nuthn special , hes overrated

Blake will b better than him wen its all sed n dun

blake still needs to put in the work offensively,but his potential is sky high.

unlike duncan however,he wasnt a role player this year...

[T_L_P]

blake still needs to put in the work offensively,but his potential is sky high.

he definitely wasnt a role player this season...

Nothing bro? What's wrong, can't address a post? :oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

Nothing bro? What's wrong, can't address a post? :oldlol:

i dont address tim duncan stans. this will be my last post directed to you.

[T_L_P]

i dont address tim duncan stans. this will be my last post directed to you.

-Calls Duncan a role player
-Gets proved otherwise
-Backs down like a bitch

:oldlol:

[aboss4real24]

Blake is a superior player offensively then td

[T_L_P]

Blake is a superior player offensively then td

Yet Duncan's offensive stats are superior on teams that played at a much slower pace. :rolleyes:

Can you make any case for Blake already being better offensively than a prime Tim Duncan?

[SsKSpurs21]

-Calls Duncan a role player
-Gets proved otherwise
-Backs down like a bitch

:oldlol:

:oldlol:

T_L_P owning dudes. :cheers:

[aboss4real24]

Yet Duncan's offensive stats are superior on teams that played at a much slower pace. :rolleyes:

More conjecture from an illiterate. Can you make any case for Blake already being better offensively than a prime Tim Duncan?


i watch games all i need to see

Blake does a better job gettn deep in the paint and low in the post area
He's a better finisher, Blake is stronger n faster and superior athletically

Blake runs the floor better

And he's becoming jus as gud of a shooter as td, and mite b a Better1 soon

Lac has more weapons then sas had back then, Thats y BG's actual ppg mite b a lil lower then td n sum seasons, Td had more of a scoring load

[casual_fan]

If anything Duncan is underrated.

Wade is a deserving hall of famer but some people overrate him due to his rigged ring. But mostly i see him ranked where he should be all time.

[T_L_P]

i watch games all i need to see

Blake does a better job gettn deep in the paint and low in the post area
He's a better finisher, Blake is stronger n faster and superior athletically

Blake runs the floor better

And he's becoming jus as gud of a shooter as td, and mite b a Better1 soon

Lac has more weapons then sas had back then, Thats y BG's actual ppg mite b a lil lower then td n sum seasons, Td had more of a scoring load

:biggums:

Are you serious? Finishing around the rim is different from getting down low in the paint. The vast majority of Duncan's points came from the low-post.

Also, you're listing a bunch of things to fill a the post but the simple fact is Duncan was much more effective offensively. There's no way you can score more points on a team that overall scores 15-20 less per game, and be called the worse offensive player.

All I know is this: prime Duncan on those stacked as **** Clippers would have made it out of the second round by now. He was making deep, deep Playoff runs without much less to work with.

[ArbitraryWater]

Duncan in the last 7 years: 18.0 PPG / 10.5 PPG / 2.5 APG / 0.7 SPG / 1.8 BPG

Defensive anchor, best player on his team over that period of time (not every year, collectively).

Role player. :roll:

It's actually 17/10/2.9... not 18. And he was not the best player collectively over that time come on :lol

[T_L_P]

It's actually 17/10/2.9... not 18. And he was not the best player collectively over that time come on :lol

http://oi58.tinypic.com/33kvtjk.jpg

:confusedshrug:

And yes he was. Parker put up 20.6 / 3.3 / 6.2 / 1.0 over the same years. Their raw stats are very comparable.

Duncan beats TP in PER (21.4-20.0), WS (9.5-7.5), WS/48 (.148-.116) ORtg/DRtg (107/101-106/108).

[DaSeba5]

Neither.

Wade is underrated.

Duncan is just about where most people say he is in the top 10.

[DonDadda59]

TD Does nuthn special , hes overrated

Blake will b better than him wen its all sed n dun

Blake = Shawn Kemp if he was addicted to Kia commercials and not cocaine.

The Clippers right now are more talented than any team Timmy ever played with... yet the great Blake Griffin can't get them out of the second round?

[Mr Feeny]

Who let you out the asylum?
:oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

It's actually 17/10/2.9... not 18. And he was not the best player collectively over that time come on :lolYes he most certainly was.
But then again you don't know sh*t about basketball so I'm never surprised by your stupidity.

17> 13
4> 2
6 and 5 > 2

:lol

[mehyaM24]

so we agree that its duncan? i cant stand wade, but i think "timmay" has him beat here.


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif

:facepalm

[mehyaM24]

It's actually 17/10/2.9... not 18. And he was not the best player collectively over that time come on :lol

this is why i ignore everything duncan fanatics say. they conveniently ignore gino and parkers production...and conveniently forget pop is his head coach. there is a reason the spurs have been contending since the early 2000s,and it isnt because of duncan.

[Mr Feeny]

so we agree that its duncan? i cant stand wade, but i think "timmay" has him beat here.


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif

:facepalm

Mhmm and still plays better than Kobe in game 7's. #6/24 #DisappearingActs

[mehyaM24]

Mhmm and still plays better than Kobe in game 7's. #6/24 #DisappearingActs

i dont deny that :confusedshrug:

you got duncan or wade, bro?

[Real14]

This iz an excellent question. Both are very overrated but tim duncan wins this race by a hair. Thank you.

[aj1987]

OP is a retarded Kobetard.

[Mr Feeny]

i dont deny that :confusedshrug:

you got duncan or wade, bro?Neither. Wade is actually underrated in my opinion while Duncan is rated just right (a top ten player all time)

[mehyaM24]

OP is a retarded Kobetard.

kobe might be more overrated than wade. try again, sanjay

[mehyaM24]

Neither. Wade is actually underrated in my opinion while Duncan is rated just right (a top ten player all time)

sits out games in the regular season,carried by lebron,plays for the whistle,lazy,cant shoot....far from underrated.

[Mr Feeny]

kobe might be more overrated than wade. try again, sanjayFully agreed here.

[Mr Feeny]

sits out games in the regular season,carried by lebron,plays for the whistle,lazy,cant shoot....far from underrated.We can disgaree. He always comes up big in important games; unfortunately some of the rest who get venerated here on ish can't say the same.

[Young X]

I rate Parker higher than Wade in the All Time list if Parker wins the FMVP this season.Why did everybody let this comment slide?

[Real14]

Fully agreed here.
Fully disagreed here:coleman:

[Mr Feeny]

Fully disagreed here:coleman:

Good for you.

[Threethrows]

Dumbass Duncan haters coming out of the woodwork lately.

[mehyaM24]

Dumbass Duncan haters coming out of the woodwork lately.

nah you're just an idiot who listens to mainstream media.

duncan is so ****ing overrated its beginning to actually annoy me. in the four years before he was drafted, san antonio won 55,62,59,and then 21 games (21 because david robinson missed 76 games,elliot missed 43 games...etc). so the FACT is the spurs won the lottery with a damn good, but injury riddled team,with duncan coming with a silver spoon in his mouth...unlike the great SHAQ,who was drafted by a genuine 21 win orlando team and led them to the finals in 3 years....duncan also has had the same coach his whole career,hes great but boring and overrated

[sd3035]

Duncan is a scrub who fits into a system

Wade is a legend, he's severely underrated

[MrC1991]

I'd take Wade in this argument. He's slightly overrated.

[DonDadda59]

Dumbass Duncan haters coming out of the woodwork lately.

They're nervous as f*ck. It's hilarious to watch :oldlol:

I know they're all thanking whatever Gods they pray to that Jesus made that shot last year otherwise they'd be having full on mental breakdowns right now.

[mehyaM24]

They're nervous as f*ck. It's hilarious to watch :oldlol:

I know they're all thanking whatever Gods they pray to that Jesus made that shot last year otherwise they'd be having full on mental breakdowns right now.

i actually decided to thank duncan himself for playing like a bum in game 7 :oldlol:

tell fatal i said hi

[DonDadda59]

i actually decided to thank duncan himself for playing like a bum in game 7 :oldlol:

tell fatal i said hi

I haven't spoken to Waddington since I retired him, last I heard he ran away to Real GM. He used to PM me begging me to go easy on him back in the day.

If you want, I can arrange the same deal for you :)

[SilkkTheShocker]

:wtf:
They're nervous as f*ck. It's hilarious to watch :oldlol:

I know they're all thanking whatever Gods they pray to that Jesus made that shot last year otherwise they'd be having full on mental breakdowns right now.


Go jerk off to Space Jam, Tyrone.

[DonDadda59]

:wtf:


Go jerk off to Space Jam, Tyrone.

Don't be scared just because the 'historically good' Spurs are coming for dat ass, chump. I'm sure it won't be as bad as '07... maybe :cheers:

Never seen so many dudes running scared because of a way past prime, 38 year old basketball player :oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

:wtf:


Go jerk off to Space Jam, Tyrone.

dude has the blowup jordan doll and everything :roll:

[DonDadda59]

dude has the blowup jordan doll and everything :roll:

They make those? :lebronamazed:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Don't be scared just because the 'historically good' Spurs are coming for dat ass, chump. I'm sure it won't be as bad as '07... maybe :cheers:

Never seen so many dudes running scared because of a way past prime, 38 year old basketball player :oldlol:
I don't have anyone beating Miami the rest of the way. As for TD, he was a top 10 player in the league last year, age or not. The rest of your post is just hypothetical garbage. The facts are right now that Lebron/TD are 1-1 against each other in the playoffs. You can bring up age all you want for 2013
Finals. But you can't cherry pick and forget Lebron took the least talented team ever to the finals in 07

[mehyaM24]

They make those? :lebronamazed:

:oldlol:

so whos more overrated don? your boy duncan or that little bitch, wade?

[DonDadda59]

But you can't cherry pick and forget Lebron took the least talented team ever to the finals in 07

No, I remember that Tim shoved a broomstick up his ass and LeBron had one of the worst ever performances by a supposed superstar in the finals... ever. Only surpassed by himself in '11.

22 PPG on 35.6% (.428 TS, .378 eFG), 27 assists and 23 TO?

BRUTAL :yaohappy:


so whos more overrated don? your boy duncan or that little bitch, wade?

Neither. Tim Duncan is a center who became the greatest PF of all time. He's one of the most skilled and impactful players basketball has ever seen. Under his tenure, no matter the lineup, the Spurs have had the best winning percentage in professional team sports.... not just the NBA but PROFESSIONAL SPORTS.

And most 'Heat fans' have no idea that Wade had a finals MVP long before the decision happened. And that at one time Wade was in the conversation for best player in the league.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Typical Jordan Stan. Fault Lebron for everything. But give spurs a pass because they are old. Your logic is to simply put down Lebron but sugarcoat any of Duncan's failures. You know like his team choking each season since 2010. Or missing crucial layup in the closing minute of game 7 of the finals. One player takes a team of garage to the finals. Played bad, no doubt. But you're going to give all the praise to a that played on a team so stacked he didn't even win finals MVP. I hope you don't start dropping the old excuse when Miami beats spurs again. Because according to you they should be afraid of San Antonio, right?


No, I remember that Tim shoved a broomstick up his ass and LeBron had one of the worst ever performances by a supposed superstar in the finals... ever. Only surpassed by himself in '11.

22 PPG on 35.6% (.428 TS, .378 eFG), 27 assists and 23 TO?

BRUTAL :yaohappy:



Neither. Tim Duncan is a center who became the greatest PF of all time. He's one of the most skilled and impactful players basketball has ever seen. Under his tenure, no matter the lineup, the Spurs have had the best winning percentage in professional team sports.... not just the NBA but PROFESSIONAL SPORTS.

And most 'Heat fans' have no idea that Wade had a finals MVP long before the decision happened. And that at one time Wade was in the conversation for best player in the league.

[Paul George 24]

duncan: role player the last 6-7 years, yet credited ALL of the spurs' success. also has 2 of the GOAT international players, GOAT coach, system and played with another HOF center in david robinson

wade: dwhistle says it all

:confusedshrug:

kobe brya日NT

[Deuce Bigalow]

No, I remember that Tim shoved a broomstick up his ass and LeBron had one of the worst ever performances by a supposed superstar in the finals... ever. Only surpassed by himself in '11.

22 PPG on 35.6% (.428 TS, .378 eFG), 27 assists and 23 TO?

BRUTAL :yaohappy:



Neither. Tim Duncan is a center who became the greatest PF of all time. He's one of the most skilled and impactful players basketball has ever seen. Under his tenure, no matter the lineup, the Spurs have had the best winning percentage in professional team sports.... not just the NBA but PROFESSIONAL SPORTS.

And most 'Heat fans' have no idea that Wade had a finals MVP long before the decision happened. And that at one time Wade was in the conversation for best player in the league.
Are you sure it was Duncan shoving dat broomstick? He wasn't that much better...

18.5 ppg on 16.3 fga (44.6 FG%, 62.5 FT%, 48.3 TS%)

[DonDadda59]

Typical Jordan Stan. Fault Lebron for everything. But give spurs a pass because they are old. Your logic is to simply put down Lebron but sugarcoat any of Duncan's failures. You know like his team choking each season since 2010. Or missing crucial layup in the closing minute of game 7 of the finals. One player takes a team of garage to the finals. Played bad, no doubt. But you're going to give all the praise to a that played on a team so stacked he didn't even win finals MVP. I hope you don't start dropping the old excuse when Miami beats spurs again. Because according to you they should be afraid of San Antonio, right?

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2zoktxy.gif

Cleveland was a great defensive team and the last 2 games of that series were won by a combined 4 points. If Bron wasn't busy pissing himself in the meantime, they could've won both and maybe turned that into an actual series. Same story as '11, if Bron doesn't choke something fierce, MIA has another 'ship and Wade a second finals MVP. 8 points in a finals game? C'mon son.

And there's no guarantee either the Spurs or the Heat make the finals, but if they do I have the Spurs favored. If they lose, they lose. But I'm not going to sit here and make preemptive excuses claiming the Spurs are like the Showtime Lakers or Jordan's Bulls.

[T_L_P]

this is why i ignore everything duncan fanatics say. they conveniently ignore gino and parkers production...and conveniently forget pop is his head coach. there is a reason the spurs have been contending since the early 2000s,and it isnt because of duncan.

Parker and Manu are legends and great players. When have I said otherwise? Duncan definitely has a case over the two for the past seven years, does he not?

Also, Manu and Parker were mediocre until at least '04. Parker was averaging 14 PPG on 40% during the '03 title run. How many guys have won championships with someone like that as their second option?

[Carter_17]

Wade by far. People consider him top 10 all time and he had like what , 3 good years in the NBA before injuries?

[pastis]

Parker and Manu are legends and great players. When have I said otherwise? Duncan definitely has a case over the two for the past seven years, does he not?


pls what? are u on pot or what?:biggums: :biggums: just get the hell out of here. what a moron you are, incredible. since 04 duncan clearly third best on his team.


topic: both are overrated, but duncan get this one easy. wade top 25 and this is just where he belongs. duncan way way overrated. since 04-05 just a role player, easy baskets etc.

[Carter_17]

pls what? are u on pot or what?:biggums: :biggums: just get the hell out of here. what a moron you are, incredible. since 04 duncan clearly third best on his team.


topic: both are overrated, but duncan get this one easy. wade top 25 and this is just where he belongs. duncan way way overrated. since 04-05 just a role player, easy baskets etc.


Wade will be lucky if he will be able to jump 1 ft , not to mention play in NBA level , when he will be 38. This dude is an injury prone and he doesn't even care. When carter had similar injury he stopped elevating and he improved his jump shot and learned to play defense aswell . He adapted his game in order to protect himself.
Wade just continue leaping and jumping like his knee injury never happened. Now after just 10 years in the NBA he can hardly play 40 games per season... Nobody has a case above wade when we talk about overated players.
10 years in the nba , 1 ring as first option ( with Shaq in the team ) , 2 rings with LeBron and Bosh playing 40 games per season. No regular season MVPs, his prime was 2006-2009 and after that he seems washed up, he is 33 years old and he seems like he can hardly play next year.

[T_L_P]

pls what? are u on pot or what?:biggums: :biggums: just get the hell out of here. what a moron you are, incredible. since 04 duncan clearly third best on his team.


topic: both are overrated, but duncan get this one easy. wade top 25 and this is just where he belongs. duncan way way overrated. since 04-05 just a role player, easy baskets etc.

Duncan since the last title: 18 / 10.5 / 2.5 / 0.7 / 1.8 / 21.4 PER / 9.5 WS

Parker since the last title: 20.6 / 3.3 / 6.2 / 1.0 / 0.1 / 20.0 PER / 7.5 WS

Manu since the last title: 15.3 / 3.7 / 4.5 / 1.3 / 0.3 / 18.3 PER / 6.3 WS

Please explain how Duncan does not have a case for best player on his team over that period of time? Your agenda is so stupid. Would a role player lead the league in Playoff PER in '06? Would he be the best player on the '07 title team? Would he be the best Spur in last year's Finals?

I'm sure you'll tell me about 1-2 feet baskets, overrated defense (without pointing out anything in particular), saved in the clutch etc. But all that shows is you have a very superficial basketball knowledge, and you can't back anything you say. Is Noah a role player? Duncan's Playoff stats in '07 look a lot better than Noah's ever have.

[pastis]

Duncan since the last title: 18 / 10.5 / 2.5 / 0.7 / 1.8 / 21.4 PER / 9.5 WS

Parker since the last title: 20.6 / 3.3 / 6.2 / 1.0 / 0.1 / 20.0 PER / 7.5 WS

Manu since the last title: 15.3 / 3.7 / 4.5 / 1.3 / 0.3 / 18.3 PER / 6.3 WS

Please explain how Duncan does not have a case for best player on his team over that period of time? Your agenda is so stupid. Would a role player lead the league in Playoff PER in '06? Would he be the best player on the '07 title team? Would he be the best Spur in last year's Finals?

you are just a moron with tha quotation. btw: its easy to have this "for DUncan-good stats" if you are only one of many weapons, so easy money. under the rim: waiting for the assist, easy basket, easy rebound = summary of DUncans career

[T_L_P]

you are just a moron with tha quotation. btw: its easy to have this "for DUncan-good stats" if you are only one of many weapons, so easy money. under the rim: waiting for the assist, easy basket, easy rebound = summary of DUncans career

Ha, just like a thought. You make a stupid statement, I prove you wrong, then you come back with a bunch of conjecture.

Casual fans are so predictable. It's easy everything for Duncan, apparently. Though you'll never show me anything to prove it: you can't.

Duncan is still the leader and has been the best player on his team since the last title. Deal with it.

[pastis]

Ha, just like a thought. You make a stupid statement, I prove you wrong, then you come back with a bunch of conjecture.

Casual fans are so predictable. It's easy everything for Duncan, apparently. Though you'll never show me anything to prove it: you can't.

Duncan is still the leader and has been the best player on his team since the last title. Deal with it.

haha, what do you prooved. that he is third best player, yes indeed. you have been schooled so many times by creepingdeaht od dmavs41 and calling me casual fan? just shut the **** up and lick his black ass.

[navy]

Duncan is still the leader and has been the best player on his team since the last title. Deal with it.
Popovich is the leader. And Tony Parker was definitely the best player in 2011-2013

[T_L_P]

haha, what do you prooved. that he is third best player, yes indeed. you have been schooled so many times by creepingdeaht od dmavs41 and calling me casual fan? just shut the **** up and lick his black ass.

You do it again. I'll give you credit: you're a world class troll.

Statistically, Duncan has clearly been the best Spur since '07. Popovich, Kawhi, even Tony, they still readily call Duncan their leader.

And then you tell me to shutup because you've got nothing. Pathetic, kid. Just pathetic. :facepalm

Now, added to ignore list.

[T_L_P]

Popovich is the leader. And Tony Parker was definitely the best player in 2011-2013

Popovich and Duncan are the leaders. You want me to find all the quotes of Pop saying Duncan is still the guy people look up to on the floor?

And yes, 2011-2013. Never said any different. 2007-2014, as a whole though?

[pastis]

Popovich and Duncan are the leaders. You want me to find all the quotes of Pop saying Duncan is still the guy people look up to on the floor?

And yes, 2011-2013. Never said any different. 2007-2014, as a whole though?


first of all, quoting the coach is so easy :D

shall i quoate a recent statment form Carlsie:

[QUOTE]

[navy]

Popovich and Duncan are the leaders. You want me to find all the quotes of Pop saying Duncan is still the guy people look up to on the floor?

And yes, 2011-2013. Never said any different. 2007-2014, as a whole though?
Yeah, but he definitely doesnt(appear) lead that team in a way I would define. He holds seniority and Ive seen him pull Parker away like a child so there's that. I dont think it takes away from a player. He's just never seemed like the leader of that team like Pop.

I would have to look in depth. I think 2011 is when Parker was handed the reigns as it coincided with Duncan and Manu's decline and his prime. I dont think it would be up for debate had Tony Parker not declined from his peak, which looks like it will be last year. It also hurts his case that he can be taken out of his game in the playoffs with no secondary arsenal.

[T_L_P]

Yeah, but he definitely doesnt(appear) lead that team in a way I would define. He holds seniority and Ive seen him pull Parker away like a child so there's that. I dont think it takes away from a player. He's just never seemed like the leader of that team like Pop.

I would have to look in depth. I think 2011 is when Parker was handed the reigns as it coincided with Duncan and Manu's decline and his prime. I dont think it would be up for debate had Tony Parker not declined from his peak, which looks like it will be last year. It also hurts his case that he can be taken out of his game in the playoffs with no secondary arsenal.

He's not the most vocal leader, but he talks as much as any other player. And Tim's leadership has always been by example. Popovich is the mentor and Duncan is the leader, the guy who makes sure the Spurs' philosophy is in place. Those two are like a marriage in that sense, and they are the sole reasons the Spurs have been good for so long (since joining together).

2011-2014 Parker is obvious better than Duncan. No question. If the OP said that I would not have made reply. But he said he's been a role player for the past seven years, when the simple fact is he's either been the best or a very close second best over the whole period of time. :confusedshrug:

[Anaximandro1]

Never seen so many dudes running scared because of a way past prime, 38 year old basketball player :oldlol:
running around like headless chickens ...

Never forget how great Duncan was.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7l1WzDrDFeU/U4CBQ5wXofI/AAAAAAAAC4U/sfxMohRTweQ/s1600/23.jpg


[QUOTE=mehyaM24]the great SHAQ

[T_L_P]

And just for reference, here's what these other all time great big men put up in their last seven years;

Shaquille O'Neal: 16.5 PPG / 8.1 RPG / 1.6 APG / 0.4 SPG / 1.5 BPG / 18.7 PER

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 20.1 PPG / 6.7 RPG / 2.7 APG / 0.8 SPG / 1.9 BPG / 19.7 PER

Duncan: 18.0 PPG / 10.5 RPG / 2.5 APG / 0.7 SPG / 1.8 BPG / 21.4 PER

And Duncan was playing better defense than both of them. Yet he's the role player. :roll:

[Dresta]

Wade will be lucky if he will be able to jump 1 ft , not to mention play in NBA level , when he will be 38. This dude is an injury prone and he doesn't even care. When carter had similar injury he stopped elevating and he improved his jump shot and learned to play defense aswell . He adapted his game in order to protect himself.
Wade just continue leaping and jumping like his knee injury never happened. Now after just 10 years in the NBA he can hardly play 40 games per season... Nobody has a case above wade when we talk about overated players.
10 years in the nba , 1 ring as first option ( with Shaq in the team ) , 2 rings with LeBron and Bosh playing 40 games per season. No regular season MVPs, his prime was 2006-2009 and after that he seems washed up, he is 33 years old and he seems like he can hardly play next year.
This is one of the biggest pile of regurgitated bullshit i'm yet to see on ISHs, and that's saying something.

If you can't see that Wade has adapted his game massively to cope with athletic decline then you are a blind fool. His style is completely different, and yet he is still being effective, and shooting the highest percentages of his career (efficiency usually being what goes down as a player ages btw). He still has a good midrange game, and the stats show it. Unlike Carter, Wade has always been known for his defense, and still plays much better defense than Carter :roll:.

You act like his career has been like Grant Hill's, when in actuality he's only had two seasons seriously hampered by injury: the 06/07 season (when prior to getting injured he was the best player in the league), and the 07/08 season (which was a result of not rehabbing from previous injury properly and playing through it to compete in 07 playoffs - opposite to what the actually injury prone D-Rose did). Since then Wade has played (including playoffs, by season): 86 of 89 games (MVP calibre season), 82 of 87 games (top 5 season), 97 of 103 games (top 3 season), 72 of 89 games (top 5 season + lock out), and 91 of 104 games (top 10 season). That is, since the two seasons of injury problems, Wade has played 91% of possible games for the Heat, and every playoff game. Yet apparently this constitutes 'getting 2 rings playing only 40 games with Bron and Bosh' - delusional. The only season he has taken extended time off has been this one, and that has only been to prolong his career, and to get the best possible out of him during the playoffs (thus far he is delivering).

Regular season MVPs as a measure of how good a basketball player someone was, in reality, means **** all, and that can be demonstrated by the fact that Steve Nash and Derrick Rose have as many MVPs combined as Shaq & Duncan.

Dumbass.


And just for reference, here's what these other all time great big men put up in their last seven years;

Shaquille O'Neal: 16.5 PPG / 8.1 RPG / 1.6 APG / 0.4 SPG / 1.5 BPG / 18.7 PER

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 20.1 PPG / 6.7 RPG / 2.7 APG / 0.8 SPG / 1.9 BPG / 19.7 PER

Duncan: 18.0 PPG / 10.5 RPG / 2.5 APG / 0.7 SPG / 1.8 BPG / 21.4 PER

And Duncan was playing better defense than both of them. Yet he's the role player. :roll:
Yet Duncan=role player, and Shaq= carried Miami and D-Wade to the chip

This is the world these stans live in :hammerhead:; this is how far they have to distort reality just to continue their worship of grown men who don't even know they exist. It is one of the most pathetic things i have ever seen.

[JohnFreeman]

Neither are overrated. Both are top 5 at their position of all time.

[Lord Leoshes]

both r awesome players, & i'll take both of them on my team any day

[jrong]

I'd take Wade in this argument. He's slightly overrated.

Sigh, I'm called upon to do this again. Here are CAREER per 36 stats and FG% for Wade and LeBron

Wade: 23.9 pts, 4.9 rebs, 5.9 asts, 1.7 stls, 1.0 blks, 49.2%
James: 25.9 pts, 6.6 rebs, 6.1 asts 1.5 stls 0.3 blks 49.7%

This includes all of Wade's injury years, including 08 when he played in a sling, and his years deferring to LeBron. Wade's per 36 numbers were once on par with James'.

Now it's fair to say that Wade's body wouldn't have held up if he played James' minutes and, even if it did, that there would have been slight attrition in his production.

But per 36 numbers for two high usage wings is absolutely an apples-to-apples comparison of their dominance. So that's how close career-wise Wade is even now in per-minute production to a player that some think has a chance to be the GOAT.

So ask yourself, is Wade widely perceived as being almost as good as James? Then he's underrated.

Duncan is not. He's top 10, right where he should be. James is already top 10. Wade is top 15 - 20, but most people haven't gotten it yet, if they ever will.

And that's how you do that.

[rmt]

Sigh, I'm called upon to do this again. Here are CAREER per 36 stats and FG% for Wade and LeBron

Wade: 23.9 pts, 4.9 rebs, 5.9 asts, 1.7 stls, 1.0 blks, 49.2%
James: 25.9 pts, 6.6 rebs, 6.1 asts 1.5 stls 0.3 blks 49.7%

This includes all of Wade's injury years, including 08 where he played in a sling, and his years deferring to LeBron. Wade's per 36 numbers were once on par with James'.

Now it's fair to say that Wade's body wouldn't have held up if he played James' minutes and, even if it did, that there would have been slight attrition in his production.

But per 36 numbers for two high usage wings is absolutely an apples-to-apples comparison of their dominance. So that's how close career-wise Wade is even now in per-minute production to a player that some think has a chance to be the GOAT.

So ask yourself, is Wade widely perceived as being almost as good as James? Then he's underrated.

Duncan is not. He's top 10, right where he should be. James is already top 10. Wade is top 15 - 20, but most people haven't gotten it yet, if they ever will.

And that's how you do that.

I disagree with using per 36 when comparing players. lLebron is extremely durable
And never gets injured. Wade is the complete opposite. That's like comparing Manu with Duncan. Manu always has great PER especially for the few minutes he plays but can he carry a team over the course of a season night after night year after year. No. IMO its unfair to compare work horses with players who have to be coddled half/third of the season.

[jrong]

I disagree with using per 36 when comparing players. lLebron is extremely durable
And never gets injured. Wade is the complete opposite. That's like comparing Manu with Duncan. Manu always has great PER especially for the few minutes he plays but can he carry a team over the course of a season night after night year after year. No. IMO its unfair to compare work horses with players who have to be coddled half/third of the season.

I addresed that point:


Now it's fair to say that Wade's body wouldn't have held up if he played James' minutes and, even if it did, that there would have been slight attrition in his production.

But per 36 numbers for two high usage wings is absolutely an apples-to-apples comparison of their dominance. So that's how close career-wise Wade is even now in per-minute production to a player that some think has a chance to be the GOAT.

Could Wade have physically sustained playing all the extra minutes? No. Also, even, if his body held up, would his rate of production dip slightly with the extra time? Yes.

But, is per 36 a good tool to compare to the on-court dominance/ production of two players who play the same role, high usage wings? 100% Yes.

(Obviously you can't compare Manu and Duncan by per 36. They don't play the same role. It's not apples to apples.)

As a featured player, Wade was once virtually as dominant/ productive as James. In terms of his career, even after being diminished by injury and deferring, he's still not far off.

[Dresta]

I disagree with using per 36 when comparing players. lLebron is extremely durable
And never gets injured. Wade is the complete opposite. That's like comparing Manu with Duncan. Manu always has great PER especially for the few minutes he plays but can he carry a team over the course of a season night after night year after year. No. IMO its unfair to compare work horses with players who have to be coddled half/third of the season.
Bullshit. Wade has been no more coddled than Duncan has.

From 8th season onwards respective minutes of Wade/Duncan:

8th - Wade: 37.1mpg (40 in playoffs), Duncan: 33.4mpg (38 in playoffs)
9th - Wade: 33.2mpg (39 in playoffs), Duncan: 34.8mpg (37 in playoffs)
10th - Wade: 34.7mpg (36 in playoffs), Duncan: 34mpg (39 in playoffs)
11th - Wade: 33mpg (35 in playoffs, Duncan: 34mpg (33 in playoffs)

Not exactly much of a difference there. And only this last season has Wade really had his minutes reduced at all (his 9th season was compressed lockout one so that is why his minutes decreased there) until the current season, and that's the only period he's really missed time in except for those two seasons in the middle of his prime (07-08). Should not be compared to Manu. Wade has carried a heavy workload more or less every season of his career; he's averaged 20ppg 9 seasons (same as Duncan), and 25 6 seasons (to Duncan's single season) and 30 once (duncan never).

[MrC1991]

Sigh, I'm called upon to do this again. Here are CAREER per 36 stats and FG% for Wade and LeBron

Wade: 23.9 pts, 4.9 rebs, 5.9 asts, 1.7 stls, 1.0 blks, 49.2%
James: 25.9 pts, 6.6 rebs, 6.1 asts 1.5 stls 0.3 blks 49.7%

This includes all of Wade's injury years, including 08 when he played in a sling, and his years deferring to LeBron. Wade's per 36 numbers were once on par with James'.

Now it's fair to say that Wade's body wouldn't have held up if he played James' minutes and, even if it did, that there would have been slight attrition in his production.

But per 36 numbers for two high usage wings is absolutely an apples-to-apples comparison of their dominance. So that's how close career-wise Wade is even now in per-minute production to a player that some think has a chance to be the GOAT.

So ask yourself, is Wade widely perceived as being almost as good as James? Then he's underrated.

Duncan is not. He's top 10, right where he should be. James is already top 10. Wade is top 15 - 20, but most people haven't gotten it yet, if they ever will.

And that's how you do that.

Just my opinion though homie. Both are all time greats to their positions. :confusedshrug: