The NBA 5 Most Underrated and overrated Players of the last 25 years:

[robert_shaww]

NO agenda here, just my desinterested, open minded, nonpartisan and unemotional list:


Most Underrated:

Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
D. Wade
karl Malone
Scottie Pippen


Most Overrated:

Shaquille O

[Kvnzhangyay]

Wade underrated???

[veilside23]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]NO agenda here, just my desinterested, open minded, nonpartisan and unemotional list:


Most Underrated:

Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
D. Wade
karl Malone
Scottie Pippen


Most Overrated:

Shaquille O

[robert_shaww]

based on what ?

My research, 4 hours thinking and reading...

[Cone]

underrated: dirk, tony parker, ellis, melo, pippen

overrated: love, kg, curry, gasol, kobe

[TheMarkMadsen]

My research, 4 hours thinking and reading...

Damn you can't argue with that to be honest.

[robert_shaww]

Damn you can't argue with that to be honest.

at least give me some respect....4 hard hours...

[lilgodfather1]

An over rated list without Kobe Bryant on it is invalid. It just is. An under rated list without Ray Allen on it is also invalid.

[kamil]

My research, 4 hours thinking and reading...

Admit it, you spent 4 hours furiously rubbing one out all over the bathroom floor.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Most Underrated:

Chris Paul
Scottie Pippen


Most Overrated:

Kobe Bryant
Carmelo Anthony

[Lebronxrings]

Most Underrated:

Chris Paul
Scottie Pippen


Most Overrated:

Kobe Bryant
Carmelo Anthony
chris paul aint underrated :biggums:
Your list is decent from that tho. I would also put pau gasol in underrated category.

[Smook A.]

Most Underrated:

Scottie Pippen

[Lebronxrings]

Underrated:
Pippen
Westbrook
Pau Gasol
Fisher

Overrated:
kobe
melo
jordan
everyone in wilt era

[Akrazotile]

Underrated:
Fisher
Vujacic
Odom
Gasol
Shaq

Overrated:
00 Kobe
01 Kobe
02 Kobe
09 Kobe
10 Kobe

[Lebronxrings]

Underrated:
Fisher
Vujacic
Odom
Gasol
Shaq

Overrated:
00 Kobe
01 Kobe
02 Kobe
09 Kobe
10 Kobe
good list i forgot shaq. :hammerhead:

[red1]

Underrated:
Fisher
Vujacic
Odom
Gasol
Shaq

Overrated:
00 Kobe
01 Kobe
02 Kobe
09 Kobe
10 Kobe
:lol

[Random_Guy]

lol @ pippen being underrated, dude is in the hall of fame. also, people were saying that he was the number two player after jordan during his active eras, and even today people are saying that he would be a top 3 player behind lbj and kd. not saying he isnt that great, in fact i think a lot of the compliments are quite realistic, but dude isnt underrated at all.
underrated should be a guy like allen iverson, he went from the mvp that brought a team to the finals to a selfish chucker cancer in a short span of 10 years.
honestly i wonder if this is the route that kobe will go on in 50 years :facepalm:

[Cold soul]

An over rated list without Kobe Bryant on it is invalid. It just is. An under rated list without Ray Allen on it is also invalid.

Why?

[sd3035]

underrated Wade
overrated Duncan

[poido123]

How can a GOAT be overrated?

:roll:

[Cold soul]

Most Underrated:

Tim Duncan
D.Wade
Tony Parker
Dr. J
Scottie Pippen


Most Overrated:

Karl Malone
Chris Paul
Lebron James
Amar'e Stoudemire

[DaSeba5]

Your overrated list has 5 HoFers (I do think Gasol is one) and 4 of those players are top 10 of all time. One of them is the GOAT. How are any of them overrated? They are all some of the best players of all time.

[poido123]

Most Underrated:

Tim Duncan
D.Wade
Tony Parker
Dr. J
Scottie Pippen


Most Overrated:

Karl Malone
Chris Paul
Lebron James
Amar'e Stoudemire


Good list. :applause:

Can add Blake Griffin to overrated list and Toni Kukoc, Jeff Hornacek, John Stockton to underrated list.

[r0drig0lac]

Most Underrated:

Tim Duncan
D.Wade
Tony Parker
Dr. J
Scottie Pippen


Most Overrated:

Karl Malone
Chris Paul
Lebron James
Amar'e Stoudemire
this is a solid list

[robert_shaww]

this is a solid list

why is the 2d scorer of all time, k malone, overrated?

tell me.

[Flash31]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]NO agenda here, just my desinterested, open minded, nonpartisan and unemotional list:


Most Underrated:

Manu Ginobili
Tony Parker
D. Wade
karl Malone
Scottie Pippen


Most Overrated:

Shaquille O

[houston]

underrated:

tony parker
rip hamilton
ben wallace
shawn marion
chauncey billups


overrated:

chris webber
steve nash
tracy mcgrady
vince carter
chris paul

[livingby3's]

Jeremy Lin
Derek Fisher
Ray Allen
Pau Gasol
Khawi Leonard
Blake Griffin
Aaron Afflalo

Chris Paul
Kevin Love
Steven Adams
Paul George
Dirk Nowitzki

[AintNoSunshine]

My research, 4 hours thinking and reading...

So your whole lifes worth of work?

[DaSeba5]

I only find MJ overrated when he's considered the clear GOAT on another level from Kareem, Russell, Wilt, ect.

MJ is the GOAT to me, but with the way some people talk about him you would think he's the best in every single category of basketball.

[Fiddlesticks]

Most Underrated:

Latrelle Sprewell
Ron Artest
Tim Hardaway
Rod Strickland
Paul Pierce


Most Overrated:

Kobe Bryant
James Worthy
Kevin Love
Reggie Miller
Kyrie Irving

[sportjames23]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]

Most Overrated:

Shaquille O

[MrC1991]

Most Underrated:

Scottie Pippen

Agree x100000000000000000000

[poido123]

I only find MJ overrated when he's considered the clear GOAT on another level from Kareem, Russell, Wilt, ect.

MJ is the GOAT to me, but with the way some people talk about him you would think he's the best in every single category of basketball.


At his position, he nearly is.

[Fiddlesticks]

no one is more underrated than Mark Aguirre in the history of the game. He could have been Kobe if he paired with prime Shaq.

[joeyjoejoe]

Under

Marion
Malone
Cp3
Isiah
Horace

Over

Kobe
Parker
westbrook

[lilgodfather1]

Why?
Ray Allen never gets any real credit. He was an incredible player during his prime, and yet never gets talked about. Well never gets talked about, unless it is to try and discredit LeBron.

No credit for the 2008 title.

Unless you were talking about Kobe. I love Kobe for the most part. Great player, but when people put him up there with Shaq, and Magic, anf Jordan, it is just too ridiculous. He just isn't in that tier of greats. He is in the next tier with Bird, Duncan, LeBron, etc.

[Milbuck]

Most underrated:

Gary Payton
Scottie Pippen
Alonzo Mourning
Dwyane Wade
Chris Mullin

Most overrated:

James Harden
Reggie Miller (really tough pick)
Chris Paul
Kevin Love
James Harden

[Cold soul]

Ray Allen never gets any real credit. He was an incredible player during his prime, and yet never gets talked about. Well never gets talked about, unless it is to try and discredit LeBron.

No credit for the 2008 title.

Unless you were talking about Kobe. I love Kobe for the most part. Great player, but when people put him up there with Shaq, and Magic, anf Jordan, it is just too ridiculous. He just isn't in that tier of greats. He is in the next tier with Bird, Duncan, LeBron, etc.


Okay fair enough.

[Milbuck]

I love Kobe for the most part. Great player, but when people put him up there with Shaq, and Magic, anf Jordan, it is just too ridiculous. He just isn't in that tier of greats. He is in the next tier with Bird, Duncan, LeBron, etc.
How are Shaq and Magic an entire TIER above Duncan, Bird, and Kobe? Lebron's not done, but throw him in there when his career's over.

I'll give you MJ, he's on a god tier with Kareem and Russell based on accomplishments.

But Shaq and Magic are not a whole level of greatness above Bird, Kobe, Duncan, and Lebron (when he's done). I'm especially surprised by the Shaq mention..aside from his MJ-level 3-year peak..his career has had several obvious lows.

[houston]

Ray Allen actually overrated

[pastis]

underrated:

Parker
Ginobili
Dirk
Ray Allen
every single team8 duncan ever had

overrated
DUNCAN
wade
kobe
KG
blake/love

flah31 is the biggest moron on ish.

[navy]

Ray Allen actually overrated
By who? Lebron haters maybe.

[Round Mound]

Underrated

Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
John Stockton
Hakeem Olajuwon
Patrick Ewing
David Robinson
Tim Duncan

Basically The Superior 90s Stars That Where Overshadowed By The Jordan-Pippen-Grant-Rodman-Kukoc/Phil Jackson Bulls

Overrated

Allen Iverson
Kobre Bryant
Reggie Miller

[bdreason]

Overrated:

Kobe
Nash
Iverson
Rose
Jordan


Great players... promoted like Gods in the media because of their marketability.

[Akrazotile]

Underrated:

Kidd
Hornacek/Allen
Marion
Rodman
Robinson/Ilgauskus


Overrated:

Iverson
Kobe
Melo/Tmac
Love
Ewing/ Jermain ONeal

[D.J.]

As for underrated, Mitch Richmond? No love for him? First 10 seasons:


22/6/4 on 47/37/81
22/5/3 on 50/36/87
24/6/3 on 49/35/85
23/5/4 on 47/38/81
22/5/3 on 47/37/85
23/4/4 on 45/41/83
23/4/4 on 45/37/84
23/3/3 on 45/44/87
26/4/4 on 45/43/86
23/4/3 on 45/39/86


Not many guys have been that consistent for their first 10 years.

[Milbuck]

As for underrated, Mitch Richmond? No love for him? First 10 seasons:


22/6/4 on 47/37/81
22/5/3 on 50/36/87
24/6/3 on 49/35/85
23/5/4 on 47/38/81
22/5/3 on 47/37/85
23/4/4 on 45/41/83
23/4/4 on 45/37/84
23/3/3 on 45/44/87
26/4/4 on 45/43/86
23/4/3 on 45/39/86


Not many guys have been that consistent for their first 10 years.
I should've mentioned him. It was between him and Chris Mullin in my first post. I think Mullin peaked higher with a 5 year stretch of 26/5/4/2/1 on 60% TS. Injuries killed him after that though.

Both those guys were terrific players, and either of them at their prime would probably be the best 2 guard in the game today.

[ImKobe]

underrated: Kobe, Malone, Stockton, Payton, Zo, Manu, Parker, D-Rob
overrated: Lebron, CP3, KG, Dirk

[T_L_P]

why is the 2d scorer of all time, k malone, overrated?

tell me.

Constantly lost to weaker teams in his prime, let his best chance of winning a title ('96) slip away even with Hornacek averaging 18 PPG on .648 TS% in the Playoffs. Didn't play very good defense.

[Carter_17]

Overrated:
Wade, Westbrook, Rose , Nash , Barkley

Underrated
Penny, Monta Ellis, Brandon Jennings, J. Smith, Odom

[robert_shaww]

Constantly lost to weaker teams in his prime, let his best chance of winning a title ('96) slip away even with Hornacek averaging 18 PPG on .648 TS% in the Playoffs. Didn't play very good defense.

its a team game...this is not tennis.

[JohnFreeman]

Ray Allen? His Sonic and Bucks days are underrated

[JohnFreeman]

People who say LeBron is overrated are just haters. If LeBron is overrated, you better believe Kobe is in that category.

[T_L_P]

its a team game...this is not tennis.

You're right. I forgot GMs pick players to get their stats, no win games. :rolleyes:

This isn't football either. NBA players -- great NBA players -- can change things by themselves. Malone simply could never get it done. It's not like he made six Finals and lost everytime to the Bulls. He was losing to 44 win Warriors teams and 47 win Rockets teams.

[Dresta]

Wade underrated???
Yes: he is perpetually hated on by Kobe and Bron stans on here, who will do anything to prove him only a lucky guy who had the good fortune to play with Shaq and Lebron. Even though they both joined him and not vice versa.

(though funnily enough, some of the Kobe stans who used to hate him have shifted somewhat to propping him up in an effort to drag down Lebron)

[JohnFreeman]

Yes: he is perpetually hated on by Kobe and Bron stans on here, who will do anything to prove him only a lucky guy who had the good fortune to play with Shaq and Lebron. Even though they both joined him and not vice versa.

(though funnily enough, some of the Kobe stans who used to hate him have shifted somewhat to propping him up in an effort to drag down Lebron)
I would take prime Wade over prime Kobe

[robert_shaww]

You're right. I forgot GMs pick players to get their stats, no win games. :rolleyes:

This isn't football either. NBA players -- great NBA players -- can change things by themselves. Malone simply could never get it done. It's not like he made six Finals and lost everytime to the Bulls. He was losing to 44 win Warriors teams and 47 win Rockets teams.

those rockets were champions. period.
the warriors series, of course, thats pretty bad....same with losing against 8th seed grizzles in a first round (scoring 12 ppg....)


malone scored 12 ppg vs warriors??

[Flash31]

At his position, he nearly is.


AT HIS POSITION NEARLY IS.

NOT MJ better post player than Wilt,Kareem,Shaq
better 3 pt shooter than Allen,Miller,Nash
better playmaker than Magic,Stockton,Kidd or equal or close to
better slasher than Wade
better handles than AI
better shot blocker than Wade
better ft shooter than Allen

MJ is NOT the CLEAR Cut,Undisputed,"Perfect" GOAT as much as people want to believe and the media pushes it and where you can't say anything bad About him without getting hate and 6/6 same with praising another player

MJ is the GOAT AT HIS POSITION
MJ is a candidate and arguable GOAT but he's NOT the GOAT


The rankings for GOAT aren't a straight list bc there's no one clear cut better and that stands out

It's a pyramid

GOAT
Legendary
HOF Icon
Superstar
All star
good player
solid starters
role players
scrubs
Royce White,Bennett,Spanoulis,Outright crap

So in the Goat tier you have

Russell,Kareem,Wilt,Jordan,Magic,Bird,Oscar
where either can be argued as the GOaT an itll be fine
just no ones clear cut or above everbody

[ProfessorMurder]

Dominique is so underrated he hasn't even been mentioned as underrated.

[WillC]

Most underrated...

Lamar Odom (never made the All-Star Game, great all-around player, sacrificed individual statistics for benefit of his team, great defender, completely unsung player given his talent level and impact on his teams).

And Tony Parker.

[D.J.]

Dominique is so underrated he hasn't even been mentioned as underrated.


He's rated about right. He's known for what he was. A great player who never won. He was always a tier below guys like Jordan, Bird, Magic in the 80s; and MJ, Ewing, Robinson, and Hakeem in the early 90s.

[WillC]

no one is more underrated than Mark Aguirre in the history of the game. He could have been Kobe if he paired with prime Shaq.

Although I disagree with the Kobe comment, I do agree that Mark Aguirre is incredibly underrated.

In 1988, Wayne Patterson ranked Aguirre as the 49th greatest player of all-time in the book Basketball's 100 Greatest Players. Clearly Patterson was getting carried away - Aguirre was only a few seasons into his professional career - but that was the level of excitement surrounding Aguirre at the time. Similar erroneous rankings occurred at the same stage of Tracy McGrady's career, for example.

But still, the fact remains, Aguirre was extremely good and yet many modern fans are completely unaware of him.

[WillC]

In terms of underrated all-time greats (clearly not from the last 25 years, as the OP requested), there are four that really stand out:

1) Oscar Robertson. He was correctly ranked right up until the turn of the century (when he was voted 2nd - after Michael Jordan - by the Associated Press as the greatest player of the 20th century). Then stats geeks came along and picked apart his triple-double legacy due to the faster pace of the game back in the 1960s (and yet nobody else came close to doing it - clearly it wasn't so easy). He's now ranked by some fans in the late teens, which is a joke.

2) Julius Erving. One of the few transitional players who completely changed the game. Not only that, but he was hugely popular - for good reason - and yet today is largely forgotten amongst the all-time greats. It's not easy to compare players from different eras, but it's safe to say that he's one of the 10 most important players in basketball history, which is why I feel he's underrated by fans today who overlook him in all-time lists based upon lack of championship rings (a factor of team success) and the like. Sometimes it's more relevant (and easier) to just a player based upon his impact on the sport.

3) Pete Maravich. See above.

4) Earl Monroe. See above.

[pauk]

Most Underrated:

Mark Price
Tony Parker
Manu Ginobili
Mitch Richmond
David Robinson (this guy at his very peak may have arguably been the greatest overall Center i ever seen on a court when considering both ends of the floor)


Most Overrated:

Michael Jordan (more like overvalued, magnified, puffed up especially when compared with other players who may have actually been as good and/or better actual ballers than him)
Hakeem Olajuwon
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O

[qrich]

An underrated list without Elton Brand is an epic fail.

[Akrazotile]

Imma throw prime AK47 out there as underrated as well

[Akrazotile]

In terms of underrated all-time greats (clearly not from the last 25 years, as the OP requested), there are four that really stand out:

1) Oscar Robertson. He was correctly ranked right up until the turn of the century (when he was voted 2nd - after Michael Jordan - by the Associated Press as the greatest player of the 20th century). Then stats geeks came along and picked apart his triple-double legacy due to the faster pace of the game back in the 1960s (and yet nobody else came close to doing it - clearly it wasn't so easy). He's now ranked by some fans in the late teens, which is a joke.

2) Julius Erving. One of the few transitional players who completely changed the game. Not only that, but he was hugely popular - for good reason - and yet today is largely forgotten amongst the all-time greats. It's not easy to compare players from different eras, but it's safe to say that he's one of the 10 most important players in basketball history, which is why I feel he's underrated by fans today who overlook him in all-time lists based upon lack of championship rings (a factor of team success) and the like. Sometimes it's more relevant (and easier) to just a player based upon his impact on the sport.

3) Pete Maravich. See above.

4) Earl Monroe. See above.



This is a great list of the most underrated players in the last 25 years.

[ILLsmak]

at least give me some respect....4 hard hours...

4 hours is not really a long time to be thinking/researching. jusayan.

-Smak

[WillC]

This is a great list of the most underrated players in the last 25 years.

Which is why I started my posted by saying "In terms of underrated all-time greats (clearly not from the last 25 years, as the OP requested), there are four that really stand out..."

Nice try though, loser.

[Akrazotile]

Which is why I started my posted by saying "In terms of underrated all-time greats (clearly not from the last 25 years, as the OP requested), there are four that really stand out..."

Nice try though, loser.


You edited that in afterwards

[WillC]

You edited that in afterwards

If that was true, it would say 'edited' at the bottom of my post.

You're a bit simple, aren't you?

[RIP CITY]

Overrated:

Shaquille O'Neal
Dirk Nowitzki
Karl Malone
Gilbert Arenas
Jason Kidd
Ron Artest
Vince Carter
John Stockton

Underrated:

Isiah Thomas
Grant Hill
Kevin Johnson
Tim Duncan
David Robinson
Kenyon Martin
Rip Hamilton
Rod Strickland
Nick Van Exel
Jason Terry

[coolhandsteve]

Underrated

Clyde Drexler
Isiah Thomas
Horace Grant
Chris Webber (people often mentioned Garnett & Duncan sometimes Dirk before C-Webb @ the time)
Alonzo Mourning
Latrell Sprewell
Tim Hardaway
Mark Aguirre
Tony Parker
Paul Pierce (tho when after Boston won in '08 and he said he was the best player in the world I was like "hold up")
Elton Brand
Nick Van Exel
Eddie Jones (until the playoffs)

Overrated

Dikembe Mutombo
Allen Iverson (in terms of impact, other than '01)
Chris Bosh
Vince Carter
Shawn Kemp
Gilbert Arenas
Dwight Howard

[Cone]

Overrated:

Shaquille O'Neal
Dirk Nowitzki
Karl Malone
Gilbert Arenas
Jason Kidd
Ron Artest
Vince Carter
John Stockton

Underrated:

Grant Hill
Kevin Johnson
Tim Duncan
David Robinson
Kenyon Martin
Rip Hamilton
Rod Strickland
Nick Van Exel
Jason Terry

damn kid, you dont know much about basketball huh? :oldlol:

[coolhandsteve]

Constantly lost to weaker teams in his prime, let his best chance of winning a title ('96) slip away even with Hornacek averaging 18 PPG on .648 TS% in the Playoffs. Didn't play very good defense.

I thought Utah's best chance was in '98, maybe '97..or did you mean to put '96?

[RIP CITY]

damn kid, you dont know much about basketball huh? :oldlol:

Just because players are good/great doesn't mean they can't be overrated.

[1987_Lakers]

Underrated
Chris Paul (Feel he gets unfair criticism)
Tony Parker
Tim Hardaway (Nobody ever talks about this guy)

Overrated
Reggie Miller
Allen Iverson
Michael Jordan (Thanks to mainstream media)