Why are guys like Fat Joe and French Montana allowed to say the N-Word?

[Fudge]

But we can't? WHY?

[DeuceWallaces]

Why do you have the need or desire to say ******?

[TheReal Kendall]

Why do you have the need or desire to say ******?

This

[Im so nba'd out]

Why do you have the need or desire to say ******?
They don't say it with the er either they're not dumb..Also i dont like fat joe saying it deep down inside.Spanish people experience racism so they it dont sting as much when they use it white people don't experience any racism in their daily lives.

I dont even know what french montana is but i dont mind him saying cause he seems black too me.

[Fudge]

And DJ Khaled.

[Patrick Chewing]

Say whatever you want.

[Draz]

And Justin beiber

[TheWINdyCity]

and nicki minaj

[Cowboy Thunder]

I reckon with handles like French Montanya and Fat Jobe people don't take you serious and you can say whatever you want

[DeuceWallaces]

They don't say it with the er either they're not dumb..Also i dont like fat joe saying it deep down inside.Spanish people experience racism so they it dont sting as much when they use it white people don't experience any racism in their daily lives.

I dont even know what french montana is but i dont mind him saying cause he seems black too me.

The principle remains the same to the OP. Why does he feel the need or have the desire to say ***** around people who obviously find it offensive?

[Fudge]

The principle remains the same to the OP. Why does he feel the need or have the desire to say ***** around people who obviously find it offensive?
Cause you're my *****, man. All y'all are my ******.

[Akrazotile]

They don't say it with the er either they're not dumb..Also i dont like fat joe saying it deep down inside.Spanish people experience racism so they it dont sting as much when they use it white people don't experience any racism in their daily lives.

I dont even know what french montana is but i dont mind him saying cause he seems black too me.


Eminem experienced plenty o racism comin up in the rap game. So youre cool with him sayin it right?



Edit: also lol @ "spanish people"

[MMM]

French is African
Dad is Moroccan
Mom is Somali
I think

He is half black or quarter so it ain't too much of an issue if he says the word. Of course there are some that don't consider some East Africans to be Black.

[Im so nba'd out]

Eminem experienced plenty o racism comin up in the rap game. So youre cool with him sayin it right?



Edit: also lol @ "spanish people"
hispanic people :rolleyes: what do you want me to call them?i have never heard eminem say it :confusedshrug: but even if he does say it he doesn't say it enough that it offends people.Like i said i dont want hispanic,lebanese,white, or asian people using it either.All those other ethnicities experience racism so it doesnt sting as much when they say it.White people can literally go years or even a lifetime without experiencing any racism.

[Akrazotile]

hispanic people :rolleyes: what do you want me to call them?i have never heard eminem say it :confusedshrug: but even if he does say it he doesn't say it enough that it offends people.Like i said i dont want hispanic,lebanese,white, or asian people using it either.All those other ethnicities experience racism so it doesnt sting as much.


What about American Indian/Alaskan Native?

[Im so nba'd out]

What about American Indian/Alaskan Native?
it doesn't sting at all when they say it with a....imo but other black ppl dont mine hispanics saying it so...and i know your trolling but im going to answer anyway.

[MMM]

I'm OK with Fat Joe saying it sometime but it seems ****ed up when he says.

"Funny how CREAM will make you learn to hate ******

[Im so nba'd out]

I'm OK with Fat Joe saying it sometime but it seems ****ed up when he says.

"Funny how CREAM will make you learn to hate ******
ya fat joe seems like one of them hispanic people if a white person called him black he would flip out about being called black.Thats why i feel some kind of way when he says it but when frenchy says it idc.

[andgar923]

Im not black, but Im assuming it depends on who says it and what they're surroundings are.

Just because you're hispanic it doesn't mean you'll automatically get a pass. And just because you're white it doesn't automatically mean you'll get shit for it.

I've been around a group of black people and they let this white cat spit it out and nobody flinched. Because he was from their area and they accepted him. He grew up around them so it's as if he was one of them.

I also knew this Italian kid growing up. He grew up around nothing but Mexicans so he assimilated into the Mexican culture and was accepted as one of us.

I grew up around black people my entire life, when I was young I used to say it all the time (sadly), and there was never an issue or uncomfortable moment. It was as natural as they saying it.

So.... Fat Joe can say it because of who and where he grew up. He's been accepted by the black community.

At times it isn't necessarily about one's race, but about one's environment.

[Balla_Status]

People only get offended because they choose to get offended.

[the mesiah]

But we can't? WHY?
Stop being a ***** and just say it.If u cant throw them hands afterwards just keep ur mouth shut *****

[Crimsonrain777]

Im not black, but Im assuming it depends on who says it and what they're surroundings are.

Just because you're hispanic it doesn't mean you'll automatically get a pass. And just because you're white it doesn't automatically mean you'll get shit for it.

I've been around a group of black people and they let this white cat spit it out and nobody flinched. Because he was from their area and they accepted him. He grew up around them so it's as if he was one of them.

I also knew this Italian kid growing up. He grew up around nothing but Mexicans so he assimilated into the Mexican culture and was accepted as one of us.

I grew up around black people my entire life, when I was young I used to say it all the time (sadly), and there was never an issue or uncomfortable moment. It was as natural as they saying it.

So.... Fat Joe can say it because of who and where he grew up. He's been accepted by the black community.

At times it isn't necessarily about one's race, but about one's environment.


basically this

[Akrazotile]

Black Caucus: Whites Not Allowed

As a white liberal running in a majority African American district, Tennessee Democrat Stephen I. Cohen made a novel pledge on the campaign trail last year: If elected, he would seek to become the first white member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

Now that he's a freshman in Congress, Cohen has changed his plans. He said he has dropped his bid after several current and former caucus members made it clear to him that whites need not apply.

"I think they're real happy I'm not going to join," said Cohen, who succeeded Rep. Harold Ford, D-Tenn., in the Memphis district. "It's their caucus and they do things their way. You don't force your way in. You need to be invited."

Cohen said he became convinced that joining the caucus would be "a social faux pas" after seeing news reports that former Rep. William Lacy Clay Sr., D-Mo., a co-founder of the caucus, had circulated a memo telling members it was "critical" that the group remain "exclusively African-American."

Other members, including the new chairwoman, Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich., and Clay's son, Rep. William Lacy Clay, D-Mo., agreed.

"Mr. Cohen asked for admission, and he got his answer. ... It's time to move on," the younger Clay said. "It's an unwritten rule. It's understood. It's clear."

The bylaws of the caucus do not make race a prerequisite for membership, a House aide said, but no non-black member has ever joined.

Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., who is white, tried in 1975 when he was a sophomore representative and the group was only six years old.

"Half my Democratic constituents were African American. I felt we had interests in common as far as helping people in poverty," Stark said. "They had a vote, and I lost. They said the issue was that I was white, and they felt it was important that the group be limited to African Americans."

Cohen remains hopeful, though, that he can forge relationships with black members in other ways.

"When I saw the reticence, I didn't want anyone to misunderstand my motives. Politically, it was the right thing to do," he said. "There are other ways to gain fellowship with people I respect."

Cohen won his seat in the 60 percent black district as the only white candidate in a crowded primary field. If he faces a primary challenge next year from a black candidate, as expected, some Black Caucus members may work to defeat him.

A similar situation arose in 2004 after redistricting added more black voters to the Houston district of former Rep. Chris Bell, D-Texas.
continued here:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2389.html



Basically an organization in Congress that is EXCLUSIVE to black members based on race. As in, a liberal white Congress person from a generally black district who wants to join in order to help the cause of African Americans constituents is not allowed because he is white. The reason for this is almost assuredly because the black caucus members wish to speak in private in ways that would offend other races. The very same thing many of them likely would have denounced Donald Sterling for.

Pretty wild stuff. Considering this is the government, which is usually at the forefront of fighting discrimination relative to the private sector. But I guess even the government endorses the idea that "It's not racist if it's against white people."

[Rasheed1]

Im not black, but Im assuming it depends on who says it and what they're surroundings are.

Just because you're hispanic it doesn't mean you'll automatically get a pass. And just because you're white it doesn't automatically mean you'll get shit for it.

I've been around a group of black people and they let this white cat spit it out and nobody flinched. Because he was from their area and they accepted him. He grew up around them so it's as if he was one of them.

I also knew this Italian kid growing up. He grew up around nothing but Mexicans so he assimilated into the Mexican culture and was accepted as one of us.

I grew up around black people my entire life, when I was young I used to say it all the time (sadly), and there was never an issue or uncomfortable moment. It was as natural as they saying it.

So.... Fat Joe can say it because of who and where he grew up. He's been accepted by the black community.

At times it isn't necessarily about one's race, but about one's environment.

that is the answer.. Its all about context.. If you know the people who you say it around and they know your meaning? It isn't a problem..

If you call your friend a D*ckhead? he probably won't beat your ass over it… But if you walk up to a stranger and call him a d*ckhead??

He probably will.. This has been explained a million times and i wish people would stop playing dumb and acting like there is no context to words used in any situation

[Akrazotile]

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]that is the answer.. Its all about context.. If you know the people who you say it around and they know your meaning? It isn't a problem..

If you call your friend a D*ckhead? he probably won't beat your ass over it

[Rasheed1]

You're right. I hate when Al and Jesse do this.


You are scared of Al & Jesse :lol The media has you spooked pal

[Akrazotile]

You are scared of Al & Jesse :lol The media has you spooked pal… BOO!!

Al & jesse aren't the "be all end all" of race in America.. Stop watching so much TV starface

I know man, I'm just bein lulzy.


But the black caucus thing does perturb me. We're basically letting dudes get away with something that would cause an unbelievable shit storm if it ever happened the other way around, and it's simply because they're black. These are not disenfranchised, disadvantaged blacks who might need a unique set of temporary guidelines to overcome certain obstacles. These are congressmen. And they are saying "This is a blacks only club, you're not wanted, white guy." And I do not have a problem with that if it goes both ways. But we all know it doesn't.

And it just amazes me that so many white people willingly neuter themselves, in order to cower like slaves (yup) to public perception, or to the black community, or to their hippie drum circle, or whoever.

I'm not for or against the black community. Because I'm not black. I have no responsibility to the black community, nor the asian community, the irish community, the guatamalan community, the russian community and so forth. I hope to improve the general community in my city, state, and country. And the way I seek to do that would likely benefit some blacks, and some asian, and some irish, and some guatamalan, and some russian and so forth, because we have similar cultural values and ideas. And there are others from those groups who would probably not benefit, and they are probably the ones who do not GAF about this country or about this community and do not do things in a way that many people respect anyway.

But these white people, who feel like they owe every black person something. Feel compelled to dance on egg shells, when the media says dance on egg shells. These sniveling, servile little fakkits. They know who they are. They're doing nothing but taking cues. The big mob moves in one direction, and they think they're moving that same direction by happenstance because they just like, want to man. But they're not, they're moving that way because the subtle cues that drive their need to belong indicate they should move that way. And the game of Simon Says is getting out of hand. You're basically expected to apologize for being white in America nowadays. And if you're turned away as a congressmen from the congressional black caucus, not only do you have to smile and say 'I understand' but you actually have to worry about the other members trying to force your ouster at the next election for even having the nerve to THINK about joining.


I'm gonna drop somethin real right here:

If you look at the world, and look at where people are "macho and aggressive" and where people are servile and timid, you will see it correlates along racial lines. Reality. Africa, shit is cutthroat. Middle East? Shit is cutthroat. Italy/Greece/Spain shit is developed but there's far less political correctness and sensitivity than elsewhere. Same with Ukraine and Russia and so forth. Move farther north into Europe? Gettin softer, kind of a mix of modern sensitivity with some others still holding out. Into Scandanavia? Real soft. This is also partly why their women are very fair and attractive, because the whole group in general has become less.. 'masculine' so to speak. Same thing with Asia. Japanese women statistically survey as the most pleasing aesthetically (in terms of face) because of their soft ass features. And Japanese men have a reputation for being timid and servile. These things go hand in hand, that is the evolutionary truth.

This is what happens in the developed world, selective pressures start to eliminate aggressive 'alpha males'. They end up in jail, or they don't succeed economically, or whatever the case is that decreases their reproductive opportunity. Europe has been going through this social evolution for hundreds of years. That's just a fact. There is a reason african americans who are descendents of slaves are more athletic on average, and are incarcerated more on average. THIS IS A REALITY. And nooooobody wants to talk about the elephant in teh room. And white people are basically just rolling over. Watching what they say, making special rules, chastising each other for making a joke that might offend someone else. Other people do not care about whites. Black people are trying to help black people. Hispanics are trying to help hispanics. Parsis are trying to help Parsis. And guess what? They'll never try and help white people. And cowardly white people are bending over backwards to make a big effusive display (they want everyone to see them do it) to make everything nice and hospitable for everyone else. It's become a national obsession amongst the beta.

Everyone needs to live their own lives and we all need to follow the same rules. And the sad thing is, these same beta lil sheep will castigate me with all sorts of false labels because it thinks it makes them look smart and compassionate for doing it, when the irony is that they're doing it because they're ignorant and small minded. I'm having the exact same conversation about my people that every other group gets to have about theirs. And I don't feel threatened by the presence of any other groups, but I do take it personal when someone tries to tell me "I can't say this" or "Your group isn't allowed to do that" just the same way blacks would take it personal, or Chinese would take it personal. I'm not gonna be intimidated on my own soil, just like I wouldn't expect anyone else to be. But sadly, we got too many soft ass little insecure coward fakkits in our ranks for it to make much difference.

[MMM]

Why do people use Jesse and Al as if they have credibility amongst blacks??? These ain't the 80s

[Cowboy Thunder]

I'm about to watch Ride Along :eek:

[Patrick Chewing]

People only get offended because they choose to get offended.

:applause:

[DeuceWallaces]

I know man, I'm just bein lulzy.


But the black caucus thing does perturb me. We're basically letting dudes get away with something that would cause an unbelievable shit storm if it ever happened the other way around, and it's simply because they're black. These are not disenfranchised, disadvantaged blacks who might need a unique set of temporary guidelines to overcome certain obstacles. These are congressmen. And they are saying "This is a blacks only club, you're not wanted, white guy." And I do not have a problem with that if it goes both ways. But we all know it doesn't.

And it just amazes me that so many white people willingly neuter themselves, in order to cower like slaves (yup) to public perception, or to the black community, or to their hippie drum circle, or whoever.

I'm not for or against the black community. Because I'm not black. I have no responsibility to the black community, nor the asian community, the irish community, the guatamalan community, the russian community and so forth. I hope to improve the general community in my city, state, and country. And the way I seek to do that would likely benefit some blacks, and some asian, and some irish, and some guatamalan, and some russian and so forth, because we have similar cultural values and ideas. And there are others from those groups who would probably not benefit, and they are probably the ones who do not GAF about this country or about this community and do not do things in a way that many people respect anyway.

But these white people, who feel like they owe every black person something. Feel compelled to dance on egg shells, when the media says dance on egg shells. These sniveling, servile little fakkits. They know who they are. They're doing nothing but taking cues. The big mob moves in one direction, and they think they're moving that same direction by happenstance because they just like, want to man. But they're not, they're moving that way because the subtle cues that drive their need to belong indicate they should move that way. And the game of Simon Says is getting out of hand. You're basically expected to apologize for being white in America nowadays. And if you're turned away as a congressmen from the congressional black caucus, not only do you have to smile and say 'I understand' but you actually have to worry about the other members trying to force your ouster at the next election for even having the nerve to THINK about joining.


I'm gonna drop somethin real right here:

If you look at the world, and look at where people are "macho and aggressive" and where people are servile and timid, you will see it correlates along racial lines. Reality. Africa, shit is cutthroat. Middle East? Shit is cutthroat. Italy/Greece/Spain shit is developed but there's far less political correctness and sensitivity than elsewhere. Same with Ukraine and Russia and so forth. Move farther north into Europe? Gettin softer, kind of a mix of modern sensitivity with some others still holding out. Into Scandanavia? Real soft. This is also partly why their women are very fair and attractive, because the whole group in general has become less.. 'masculine' so to speak. Same thing with Asia. Japanese women statistically survey as the most pleasing aesthetically (in terms of face) because of their soft ass features. And Japanese men have a reputation for being timid and servile. These things go hand in hand, that is the evolutionary truth.

This is what happens in the developed world, selective pressures start to eliminate aggressive 'alpha males'. They end up in jail, or they don't succeed economically, or whatever the case is that decreases their reproductive opportunity. Europe has been going through this social evolution for hundreds of years. That's just a fact. There is a reason african americans who are descendents of slaves are more athletic on average, and are incarcerated more on average. THIS IS A REALITY. And nooooobody wants to talk about the elephant in teh room. And white people are basically just rolling over. Watching what they say, making special rules, chastising each other for making a joke that might offend someone else. Other people do not care about whites. Black people are trying to help black people. Hispanics are trying to help hispanics. Parsis are trying to help Parsis. And guess what? They'll never try and help white people. And cowardly white people are bending over backwards to make a big effusive display (they want everyone to see them do it) to make everything nice and hospitable for everyone else. It's become a national obsession amongst the beta.

Everyone needs to live their own lives and we all need to follow the same rules. And the sad thing is, these same beta lil sheep will castigate me with all sorts of false labels because it thinks it makes them look smart and compassionate for doing it, when the irony is that they're doing it because they're ignorant and small minded. I'm having the exact same conversation about my people that every other group gets to have about theirs. And I don't feel threatened by the presence of any other groups, but I do take it personal when someone tries to tell me "I can't say this" or "Your group isn't allowed to do that" just the same way blacks would take it personal, or Chinese would take it personal. I'm not gonna be intimidated on my own soil, just like I wouldn't expect anyone else to be. But sadly, we got too many soft ass little insecure coward fakkits in our ranks for it to make much difference.

Lol at this clown. If you had a life, career, girlfriend, family, anything you wouldn't sit around writing this troll nonsense. No one is concerned with the ramblings of an invalid.

[Akrazotile]

Lol at this clown. If you had a life, career, girlfriend, family, anything you wouldn't sit around writing this troll nonsense. No one is concerned with the ramblings of an invalid.

Ive outgrown the back and forth personal attacks on the internet, so Ill leave those to you.

But I will continue to speak about and stick up for things here and elsewhere that are important to me, and attempt to do so in a rational and productive manner, as a leader is supposed to do.

You can flame away. It means nothing to me whatsoever. It would be an embarrassing waste of my time to allow myself to be tangled up in petty insults with others who have no passion or objectives or skills. I made that mistake when I was younger, but luckily Im able to recognize when its time to move on and focus on more important things.

[Akrazotile]

Lol at this clown. If you had a life, career, girlfriend, family, anything you wouldn't sit around writing this troll nonsense. No one is concerned with the ramblings of an invalid.

I actually am going to make a retirement exception and address this, since it's relevant to the thread.

You always hide behind this "life, career, girlfriend" line. Every single time, in every single discussion. Because that's ALL you've got to say. Your standard fallback shield. And I wasn't even TALKING to you in this thread, and the thread has nothing to do with that topic, but because you felt compelled to chime in... you chimed in with the only thing you ever have to say. "Hey everyone, I have a gf (who may or may not be made up, again) and a career!"


Dude. I don't respect you because you have a career and a girlfriend (dont pretend you have a life). Joe Jackson had those and he made his kids miserable, he was fukcing scum. John Wayne Gacy had that shit. Billions of nobodys in human history had those things. There's a 51:49 ratio of women to men in this world, you think anyone can't find a gf when they want one? You think there aint a ditch to dig for every guy who's lookin for a job? You're going through the same motions as everyone else, and this is your big declaration of importance???

You have no ideas. The things you say are a design. To either make you look knowledgeable, or to look edgy, or to look this or that. Your input is not given with the purpose of advancing anything or contributing anything. Your comments are always a defensive, designed to keep you protected. I'm sure you suffered a lot of teasing in your life and so maybe you developed the habit early and can't stop. I don't know and I don't care. Even the comments that aren't personally defensive, the positions you take are designed as a defensive. To put you in with a certain crowd or cast you in a certain light. They're not intended as a real advancement of the discussion.

You have nothing to ACTUALLY say. Give me 5 minutes alone with your girlfriend and she'd be sucking my dick. This is a fact. You are a coward and your every move here and IRL is done with the consideration of keeping you safe and secure from ostericism, from being judged, from not being thought of as x, y, or z. You're an insignificant beta with a career and a girlfriend. Wow bro, here let me give you The Rock ovation :applause:

You are Shelly the machine Levine, and your name is you are wanting. And you can't play in the man's game, you can't close them... Well go home and tell your made up girlfriend your troubles pal. You think this is abuse you c0cksucker, how can you take the abuse that comes with going out on a limb, being bold, having your own opinion, putting forth your own assertions, risking comfort, risking your reputation, standing against the crowd, being different, doing something that you believe in. You can't! You're a truly yeller fakkit.

Keep hiding behind the same little pillow fort. Any time you have zero to contribute to adult discussion, to men's discussion, to meaningful discussion. Let everyone know you inspect ladybugs with a magnifying glass all day and go home to some craigslist trangender you fell in love with after you lost your virginity to it last year. You are nothing and cowardly and have no substance and you aren't a man. Your looped rhetoric doesn't change that. You are scared and incapable of great things. You shouldn't even be here because youre 'input' is nothing more than parroting the same lines. Why would you waste your time at a board where you dont say anything? It's the ****ing internet for god sake and you're still afraid to be a man and say something. Toe that little PC line everyone expects you to! Gotta uphold your image of being an intellectual progressive enlightened mr. nanny. You need an identity template made FOR you set by others, whereas I will steam ahead while the clay is malleable and forge my own molding. And mine will look like me, and yours will look generic and like a nameless f@ggot with a career and a girlfriend.

[DeuceWallaces]

I won't spend a second reading trash from a loser no-life on the internet who claimed to retire from a basketball message board only to continue to post pages of ignorant ramblings in an effort to justify his pathetic life that lacks any semblance of family, career, or love.

[Akrazotile]

I won't spend a second reading trash from a loser no-life on the internet who claimed to retire from a basketball message board only to continue to post pages of ignorant ramblings in an effort to justify his pathetic life that lacks any semblance of family, career, or love.


15,438 identical posts and counting.



edit: And now I'm going back to my no personal attacks policy. There may be exceptions again in the future when they can be used as a tool for learning, as was the case here, but I'll refrain from them again at least in the immediate future.

[DeuceWallaces]

Did you really just do exactly what he said you'd do? :biggums: :roll:

I guess you read our mega troll's response while I ignored it.

[DeuceWallaces]

Only idiots read more than a paragraph of Starface.

[Akrazotile]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Uqx9XBWtkmc/U2_he6XQmFI/AAAAAAAAGXI/OJwk6cbBvqM/s1600/d.gif

[MMM]

:biggums:
both you ****** must be insane
how the hell is it possible to "internet beef" with someone for multiple years????

[JohnFreeman]

Drake is whiter than me

[ForeverHeat]

Akrazotile needs to stfu. If you wanna go around saying nikka, go ahead. Aint nobody stopping you. You can yell nikka at every single black person you see. But you gotta deal with the consequences. When you get your beta ass beat, then Im sure you will understand why you shouldnt say it.

[JohnFreeman]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Uqx9XBWtkmc/U2_he6XQmFI/AAAAAAAAGXI/OJwk6cbBvqM/s1600/d.gif
:facepalm

[longtime lurker]

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]that is the answer.. Its all about context.. If you know the people who you say it around and they know your meaning? It isn't a problem..

If you call your friend a D*ckhead? he probably won't beat your ass over it

[BrownEye007]

They don't say it with the er either they're not dumb..Also i dont like fat joe saying it deep down inside.Spanish people experience racism so they it dont sting as much when they use it white people don't experience any racism in their daily lives.

I dont even know what french montana is but i dont mind him saying cause he seems black too me.
:facepalm

[tomtucker]

can anyone actually answer OP

[Marlo_Stanfield]

i remember when Eminem used it on stage with Dre and Xzibit some years ago and some peoples jimmies were rustled :applause: :applause:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5vqCf05CyA:roll: :roll:

[Akrazotile]

i remember when Eminem used it on stage with Dre and Xzibit some years ago and some peoples jimmies were rustled :applause: :applause:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5vqCf05CyA:roll: :roll:


Dont you mean jamals?


:lol

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Dont you mean jamals?


:lol
:roll: :roll: :applause: