"Superstar" Bosh

[aj1987]

Averaged 20/9/3/1/1 on 52% TS on his own team. Made the playoffs only twice in his 7 years with the Raptors and won only 3 games. Scored 15/5/5/1/1 with 4 TO's on 48% and 11/8/4 on 40% TS in two of those losses.

True superstar!

Hope he shows up against the Pacers today though.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Nobody credible considers him a superstar

[Trollsmasher]

Bosh on posting up: "I don't bang with anybody anymore. It's a tired thing for me. It's not my strength.

Bosh also says Heat's style of defense is exhausting, and that he already gives up 20-30 pounds to most bigs. Posting up saps 2 much energy.

Interestingly, he also said drawing double-teams is a reason he doesn't like posting much. And in TOR, he was still more a face-up guy.

He is tough as nails tho:coleman:

[SilkkTheShocker]

0 points in the biggest game of his career last year.


DAT IMPACT

[TheMarkMadsen]

A 20/10 guy who is capable of leading a shitty team to the playoff 3 times and the HEAT have him as their 3rd option?

Stacked

[rlsmooth775]

Chris bosh is currenetly averaging 9 ppg on 36% shooting in the ecf

[aj1987]

0 points in the biggest game of his career last year.


DAT IMPACT
**** you, bitch. He a superstar doe!!!!11 Can score 25/15/3 on his own team doe!

[navy]

He's been scrubbing it up. Just rebound the ball. I dont give a shit about offense.

[aj1987]

A 20/10 guy who is capable of leading a shitty team to the playoff 3 times and the HEAT have him as their 3rd option?

Stacked
Another retarded post by the resident retard. He took the Raptors to the Playoffs twice.

[Trollsmasher]

We should trade him for the 1st pick

While Embiid may pan out as solid center, Bosh is a 28/13 player on his own team from day 1:pimp:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Another retarded post by the resident retard. He took the Raptors to the Playoffs twice.


your teams 3rd option is a 20/10 guy who can lead his own team to the playoffs and YOU'RE COMPLAINING :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

A 20/10 guy who is capable of leading a shitty team to the playoff 3 times and the HEAT have him as their 3rd option?

Stacked
Aren't you the same guy beating the east is garbage drum non-stop. Laker fans bitch about Gasol not winning a playoff game by himself in the west. No clue how leading a team to 3 wins in the east for 7 years is much better. Bosh's impact is Shareef Abdur-Rahim esque.

[GODbe]

I thought LeBald was a team player whom "gets the teammates involved" and "makes everyone around him better". :confusedshrug:

[Denitron]

He is tough as nails tho:coleman:

Fvck wasting energy on posting up. He needs it for counting his 19m a year :bowdown:

[DFish24]

20/10 player but Bran turned him into a spot-up shooter.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I thought LeBald was a team player whom "gets the teammates involved" and "makes everyone around him better". :confusedshrug:
Lebron is better than Kobe all time. Let it go, son

[Akrazotile]

Averaged 20/9/3/1/1 on 52% TS on his own team. Made the playoffs only twice in his 7 years with the Raptors and won only 3 games. Scored 15/5/5/1/1 with 4 TO's on 48% and 11/8/4 on 40% TS in two of those losses.

True superstar!


This just goes to show what I've always said, that putting up big numbers on a bad team doesn't make you a 'superstar' yet some people still insist that's the case if a guy is scoring a certain amount of ppg.

[SwishSquared]

Clearly not a max-type player or superstar, and he'd admit this. Miami next year needs a real center and to utilize small ball as a means of blitzing teams in bursts (or even being their closing line-up). Bosh's overall game would probably be better if he weren't playing against guys that weigh 20-30lbs. more than him nightly.

[VengefulAngel]

your teams 3rd option is a 20/10 guy who can lead his own team to the playoffs and YOU'RE COMPLAINING :roll:

You seem to confuse past tense with present tense, Chris Bosh 'was' a 20/10 guy now he 'is' a 14/6 guy. You see the difference?

[J Shuttlesworth]

I thought LeBald was a team player whom "gets the teammates involved" and "makes everyone around him better". :confusedshrug:
He does. Both Wade and Bosh are shooting their career highs in FG% last couple of years. Deal with it

[Magic 32]

Lebron is better than Kobe all time. Let it go, son

You should not advice people on "letting things go".

[aj1987]

your teams 3rd option is a 20/10 guy who can lead his own team to the playoffs and YOU'RE COMPLAINING :roll:
Wouldn't be complaining if he was able to average more rebounds than the teams SG (who was playing on one leg) in the ECF, or if he actually was able to score anything over 1 point in a game 7 of the FINALS.

[navy]

your teams 3rd option is a 20/10 guy who can lead his own team to the playoffs and YOU'RE COMPLAINING :roll:
Was a 20/10 guy.

[Inferno]

Averaged 20/9/3/1/1 on 52% TS on his own team. Made the playoffs only twice in his 7 years with the Raptors and won only 3 games. Scored 15/5/5/1/1 with 4 TO's on 48% and 11/8/4 on 40% TS in two of those losses.

True superstar!

Hope he shows up against the Pacers today though.

@ bold: He averaged 24/11/2 on 59% TS in 2009-2010.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Aren't you the same guy beating the east is garbage drum non-stop. Laker fans bitch about Gasol not winning a playoff game by himself in the west. No clue how leading a team to 3 wins in the east for 7 years is much better. Bosh's impact is Shareef Abdur-Rahim esque.


Aren't you the same guy beating the east is garbage drum non-stop.

yeah the east is garbage, partially due to combining 2-3 playoff teams into one


Laker fans bitch about Gasol not winning a playoff game by himself in the west. No clue how leading a team to 3 wins in the east for 7 years is much better.

it's not much better, but it is better. He had more success and more all star appearances by himself than Pau, and you're complaining about this guy being your 3rd option :lol

[Magic 32]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=276P19zHb94

[TheMarkMadsen]

You seem to confuse past tense with present tense, Chris Bosh 'was' a 20/10 guy now he 'is' a 14/6 guy. You see the difference?

1st option vs 3rd option

you see the difference?

[aj1987]

@ bold: He averaged 24/11/2 on 59% TS in 2009-2010.
In the PLAYOFFS. :facepalm

[VengefulAngel]

1st option vs 3rd option

you see the difference?

You Kobe fans don't see the difference between 1st and 2nd option do you?

Plus that still doesn't make your statement correct.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Was a 20/10 guy.

and now as a 3rd option has put up 17 & 7 ever year with the HEAT and has made the all star team every year with the HEAT

and again, this 17 & 7 guy who has made the all star team every year since 2006, is your 3rd option..

and HEAT fans are complaining about having that guy as their 3rd option :oldlol: :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Was a 20/10 guy.

and now as a 3rd option has put up 17 & 7 ever year with the HEAT and has made the all star team every year with the HEAT

and again, this 17 & 7 guy who has made the all star team every year since 2006, is your 3rd option..

and HEAT fans are complaining about having that guy as their 3rd option :oldlol: :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

Most underrated defensive player in the league.

[aj1987]

You Kobe fans don't see the difference between 1st and 2nd option do you?
That idiot still believes that Shaq was ineffective in the '04 Finals. That Kobe only chucked up as many shots because Shaq was past his prime (Shaq averaged 27/11 on 63%).

[navy]

and now as a 3rd option has put up 17 & 7 ever year with the HEAT and has made the all star team every year with the HEAT

and again, this 17 & 7 guy who has made the all star team every year since 2006, is your 3rd option..

and HEAT fans are complaining about having that guy as their 3rd option :oldlol: :confusedshrug:

I wouldnt complain if he put that up in the playoffs. Clearly he is capable and the team is the same as the regular season team so he doesnt have that excuse either. :confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

Most underrated defensive player in the league.
Can't stop Duncan, Hibbert, West, Vucevic, etc. doe.

[jrong]

He does. Both Wade and Bosh are shooting their career highs in FG% last couple of years. Deal with it

Lmao so is LeBron. Heat FG% is juiced from all the easy baskets. James most because he's the designated finisher, but Wade benefits a lot too. Both of them are 50+% shooters on any team, but they're not 55+% shooters on any other team.

But, Wade and Bosh's shooting has absolutely nothing to do with LeBron making them better (lol at the notion of Wade being made better by anyone). It's from the easy hoops they get.

[navy]

Most underrated defensive player in the league.
This. Horrible post defender, top 5 pick and roll, trap defender in the league.

[TheMarkMadsen]

That idiot still believes that Shaq was ineffective in the '04 Finals. That Kobe only chucked up as many shots because Shaq was past his prime (Shaq averaged 27/11 on 63%).

The fact that you make up blatant lies like this, and agree with a guy who thinks that if your stats as a 3rd option aren't as good as your stats as a first option means you've gotten worse, is more bitch made than getting wheeled out in a wheel chair with a shoulder injury

http://prosportsextra.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/wade_300_070227.jpg

[VengefulAngel]

The fact that you make up blatant lies like this, and agree with a guy who thinks that if your stats as a 3rd option aren't as good as your stats as a first option means you've gotten worse, is more bitch made than getting wheeled out in a wheel chair with a shoulder injury

http://prosportsextra.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/wade_300_070227.jpg

God you are so stupid, and you're the person who doesn't know the difference between past and present and when did I say that a 3rd options stats would be identical to a 1st option ,stop making a fool of yourself...

[aj1987]

The fact that you make up blatant lies like this, and agree with a guy who thinks that if your stats as a 3rd option aren't as good as your stats as a first option means you've gotten worse, is more bitch made than getting wheeled out in a wheel chair with a shoulder injury
This retard is mad. :oldlol:

How does it feel that a "choker" kicked your idol out of the top 10 GOAT list?

BTW, as I said earlier, fewer rebounds than the SG playing on ONE leg in the '13 Playoffs. Also, 3rd option doesn't mean that your FG% goes from 50%+ to sub 45% and you score 0 points in Game 7 of the Finals. Retard.

[TheMarkMadsen]

God you are so stupid, and you're the person who doesn't know the difference between past and present, and when did I say that, Stop making a fool of yourself...


You seem to confuse past tense with present tense, Chris Bosh 'was' a 20/10 guy now he 'is' a 14/6 guy. You see the difference?

he IS a 3rd option putting up 17/7 ever year, and when WAS a first option, he was a 20/10 player.

So if he still WAS a first option, he'd easily be putting up 20/10

how do you not realize this, he hasn't gotten any worse, he just averages 3 less points and 3 less rebounds because he is a 3rd option, instead of a first option

[J Shuttlesworth]

Lmao so is LeBron. Heat FG% is juiced from all the easy baskets. James most because he's the designated finisher, but Wade benefits a lot too. Both of them are 50+% shooters on any team, but they're not 55+% shooters on any other team.

But, Wade and Bosh's shooting has absolutely nothing to do with LeBron making them better (lol at the notion of Wade being made better by anyone). It's from the easy hoops they get.
Actually, no. Wade was never a 50% shooter until LeBron joined the team. 2011 is literally the first time he's shot 50% and he's shot 54.5% this year. Bosh had a couple of 50% seasons w/ the Raptors but had his career high 53.5% w/ the Heat. You'd be an idiot not to recognize that the double teams LeBron demands leads to open shots for Bosh, and clear lanes for Wade.

[secund2nun]

Overrated and overpaid.

[TheMarkMadsen]

This retard is mad. :oldlol:

How does it feel that a "choker" kicked your idol out of the top 10 GOAT list?

BTW, as I said earlier, fewer rebounds than the SG playing on ONE leg in the '13 Playoffs. Also, 3rd option doesn't mean that your FG% goes from 50%+ to sub 45% and you score 0 points in Game 7 of the Finals. Retard.

i'm supposedly mad yet you're the one who went out of your way to delete the Wade picture from my post because you didn't want to see that shit again

:roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

as if boshs numbers on that retarded raptor team mean shit.
dude has always been overrated and now is super overrated.
NO ONE is telling him to average less boards tha LBJ and play zero defense on Bigs.
No one is telling him to randomly hit the side of the backboard with a semi open shot or throws it over the backboard while attempting a layup when he finnaly takes it inside.

[aj1987]

Actually, no. Wade was never a 50% shooter until LeBron joined the team.
Wade has two 49.1 seasons and a 49.5 season before LeBron. Lets not act like he wasn't capable of putting up a 50% season. Also, LeBron never averaged 49% until his last season with the Cav's.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I wouldnt complain if he put that up in the playoffs. Clearly he is capable and the team is the same as the regular season team so he doesnt have that excuse either. :confusedshrug:

well, lets see..

Bosh with the HEAT in the regular season has averaged 17ppg on 13 shots per game..

Bosh with the HEAT in the playoffs has averaged 15ppg on 11.6 shots per game..

he gets a couple less shots per game in the playoffs due to the first 2 options taking more shots than they do in the reg season (which they should) and because of this he scores on average 2 less points per game than he does in the regular season.

makes sense to me :confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

i'm supposedly mad yet you're the one who went out of your way to delete the Wade picture from my post because you didn't want to see that shit again

:roll:
I usually delete pics from my posts, unless I'm actually talking about the picture that I'm quoting. I see that your retarded ass doesn't even have an argument. Deferring, that's what most Kobetards do.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Most underrated defensive player in the league.
only against guards and smaller players where he plays good defense on their PnR.
hes shit against big guys

[JT123]

Lmao so is LeBron. Heat FG% is juiced from all the easy baskets. James most because he's the designated finisher, but Wade benefits a lot too. Both of them are 50+% shooters on any team, but they're not 55+% shooters on any other team.

But, Wade and Bosh's shooting has absolutely nothing to do with LeBron making them better (lol at the notion of Wade being made better by anyone). It's from the easy hoops they get.
How do you think they get those easy hoops genius? :biggums:
Could it be because Lebron is drawing all of the defensive attention, allowing Bosh to get wide open jumpers and Wade easy cuts to the basket. :hammerhead: Wade never had a 50 percent shooting season prior to Lebron becoming his teammate. Lebron has taught Wade the value of quality over quantity when it comes to shot selection. Wade would average a few more ppg if Lebron wasn't on the team, but that wouldn't make him a better player, especially because his efficiency would be no where near as good.

[Dresta]

The fact that you make up blatant lies like this, and agree with a guy who thinks that if your stats as a 3rd option aren't as good as your stats as a first option means you've gotten worse, is more bitch made than getting wheeled out in a wheel chair with a shoulder injury

http://prosportsextra.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/wade_300_070227.jpg
Why do morons keep wheeling out this bs? I've dealt with shoulder dislocations and it is absolutely the right thing to do to put the patient in a wheelchair. It is extremely painful, and to limit the pain the arm needs to be held steady in place - it shouldn't be allowed to bump around as would happen if you were walking or you are risking further damage. Considering Wade's shoulder was already injured badly enough to cause significant nerve damage, and the pain from a dislocated shoulder can cause a person to pass out, it would be pretty ****ing retarded to have him walk out of the arena.

But once again: idiots on this site are always trying to act hard, it's so pathetic :facepalm .

[aj1987]

well, lets see..

Bosh with the HEAT in the regular season has averaged 17ppg on 13 shots per game..
In his 7 years with the Raptors, he took 1 shot more to score 3 points more. Makes sense. :facepalm

[jrong]

Actually, no. Wade was never a 50% shooter until LeBron joined the team. 2011 is literally the first time he's shot 50% and he's shot 54.5% this year. Bosh had a couple of 50% seasons w/ the Raptors but had his career high 53.5% w/ the Heat. You'd be an idiot not to recognize that the double teams LeBron demands leads to open shots for Bosh, and clear lanes for Wade.

He shot 49.5% in 2006 and over 49% two other times. His lowest FG% was in his rookie year when he shot 46.5%.

LeBron's career high before joining the Heat was 50.3%, so you'd be the idiot not to recognize that he and Wade both benefit from double-teams on each other. Just the other night in the 4th quarter of Game 2, he got an open 3 because Wade was actually tripled when he had Hill in the post and George and Hibbert came to help.

But, the thing that most inflates LeBron's (and Wade's) FG% are all the dunks and easy lay-ups. Those are pretty high percentage shots.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I usually delete pics from my posts, unless I'm actually talking about the picture that I'm quoting. I see that your retarded ass doesn't even have an argument. Deferring, that's what most Kobetards do.

dude you made a thread bitching about how a 17 & 7 guy being your 3rd option isn't good enough :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

In his 7 years with the Raptors, he took 1 shot more to score 3 points more. Makes sense. :facepalm

yeah he takes 1.5 less shots per game, plays 3 less minutes, goes to the line 3 less times due to being forced to play outside the paint as much and averages 3 less points because of this

makes sense

:confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

dude you made a thread bitching about how a 17 & 7 guy being your 3rd option isn't good enough :lol
Point out the post where I said he wasn't "good enough". I made this thread to point out that Bosh isn't a superstar and that he shrinks in the playoffs. Did you misread the title, retard?


Why do morons keep wheeling out this bs? I've dealt with shoulder dislocations and it is absolutely the right thing to do to put the patient in a wheelchair. It is extremely painful, and to limit the pain the arm needs to be held steady in place - it shouldn't be allowed to bump around as would happen if you were walking or you are risking further damage. Considering Wade's shoulder was already injured badly enough to cause significant nerve damage, and the pain from a dislocated shoulder can cause a person to pass out, it would be pretty ****ing retarded to have him walk out of the arena.

But once again: idiots on this site are always trying to act hard, it's so pathetic :facepalm .
Dude, you're replying to an idiot whose worst injury was stubbing his toe agains his mom's bed. What do you expect?

[jrong]

How do you think they get those easy hoops genius? :biggums:
Could it be because Lebron is drawing all of the defensive attention, allowing Bosh to get wide open jumpers and Wade easy cuts to the basket. :hammerhead: Wade never had a 50 percent shooting season prior to Lebron becoming his teammate. Lebron has taught Wade the value of quality over quantity when it comes to shot selection. Wade would average a few more ppg if Lebron wasn't on the team, but that wouldn't make him a better player, especially because his efficiency would be no where near as good.

Reposting my response to the other poster:


He shot 49.5% in 2006 and over 49% two other times. His lowest FG% was in his rookie year when he shot 46.5%.

LeBron's career high before joining the Heat was 50.3%, so you'd be the idiot not to recognize that he and Wade both benefit from double-teams on each other. Just the other night in the 4th quarter of Game 2, he got an open 3 because Wade was actually tripled when he had Hill in the post and George and Hibbert came to help.

But, the thing that most inflates LeBron's (and Wade's) FG% are all the dunks and easy lay-ups. Those are pretty high percentage shots.

It's a cute theory you have, but LeBron benefits from defensive attention on Wade just as much.

[Dresta]

Actually, no. Wade was never a 50% shooter until LeBron joined the team. 2011 is literally the first time he's shot 50% and he's shot 54.5% this year. Bosh had a couple of 50% seasons w/ the Raptors but had his career high 53.5% w/ the Heat. You'd be an idiot not to recognize that the double teams LeBron demands leads to open shots for Bosh, and clear lanes for Wade.
And Bron's career FG% would've been comfortably below Wade's before the two joined up - so why is it Bron just improving the FG% of other guys, you don't think his efficiency has benefitted? You really think he'd be shooting 57% playing for Cleveland?

Is it not obvious that efficiency wise they are all benefitting and have benefited from playing with each other?

[secund2nun]

only against guards and smaller players where he plays good defense on their PnR.
hes shit against big guys

Yep...overrated as a defender as well. Old man Duncan and Hibbert routinely rape him. He can't guard true centers or bruising PFs like West. He doesn't even box out.

[navy]

well, lets see..

Bosh with the HEAT in the regular season has averaged 17ppg on 13 shots per game..

Bosh with the HEAT in the playoffs has averaged 15ppg on 11.6 shots per game..

he gets a couple less shots per game in the playoffs due to the first 2 options taking more shots than they do in the reg season (which they should) and because of this he scores on average 2 less points per game than he does in the regular season.

makes sense to me :confusedshrug:

Except no, Bosh has declined from his first two years with the Heat. Just look at his stats. You keep sighting 17/7, but this year he put up 16.2 and 6.6. He isnt the same player he was in Toronto, nor is he the same player he was the first two years with the Heat where nobody questioned his regular season performance nor postseason performance.

Bosh is a good midrange shooter, but he cant create his own shot as effectively as he once could. So he could put up 27ppg on 45% shooting if he was on a really bad team and had license to chuck in my opinion.

But in the playoffs he will struggle. He can only drive in one on one situations and he was never a true shot creator/playmaker even in Toronto. His post game is non existent not because the Heat wont call plays for him, but as he has said he personally chooses not to do it. He isn't even good at it anymore so I never complain about him not posting up. Only people that dont watch the Heat do.

He is no longer a 20/10 player. He has declined.

[JT123]

Reposting my response to the other poster:



It's a cute theory you have, but LeBron benefits from defensive attention on Wade just as much.
Problem with your theory is that Wade does NOT regularly draw double teams. :facepalm Bosh NEVER draws attention away from Lebron or Wade. Even if your theory about Wade drawing attention away from Lebron on a regular basis was correct, the guy missed almost 30 games this year! Yet somehow Lebron still averaged a career high in field goal percentage, despite the fact that many nights he was the ONLY player the defense was concentrated on defending. :coleman:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Except no, Bosh has declined from his first two years with the Heat. Just look at his stats. You keep sighting 17/7, but this year he put up 16.2 and 6.6. He isnt the same player he was in Toronto, nor is he the same player he was the first two years with the Heat where nobody questioned his regular season performance nor postseason performance.

Bosh is a good midrange shooter, but he cant create his own shot as effectively as he once could. So he could put up 27ppg on 45% shooting if he was on a really bad team and had license to chuck in my opinion.

But in the playoffs he will struggle. He can only drive in one on one situations and he was never a true shot creator/playmaker even in Toronto. His post game is non existent not because the Heat wont call plays for him, but as he has said he personally chooses not to do it. He isn't even good at it anymore so I never complain about him not posting up. Only people that dont watch the Heat do.

He is no longer a 20/10 player. He has declined.

:no:

again, 16 & 7 + being an all star as the 3rd option is pretty damn good
:confusedshrug:

and you're right about him not being the same player in Toronto, he's COMPLETELY CHANGED HIS GAME!

ever since coming to Miami he has accommodated his game to work better around Wade & Bran.

Bosh took 168 total 3 point attempts in Toronto..

This year he took 218 3 point attempts..

Ever since the 2011 finals Bosh has gradually worked on his outside game, he shot 54% from 3 in the 2012 playoffs :biggums:

His rebounding numbers go down because of his new 3 point weapon as he camps out at the 3 point line more often these days..

In the 2011 & 2012 playoffs Bosh averaged more than 2 offensive rebounds per game, during this time he took a total of 17 three point attempts..

in 2013 & 2014 playoffs so far Bosh has averaged less than 2 offensive rebounds per game, during this time he's taken a total of 81 three point attempts and counting..

Bosh hasn't declined, he's just changed his game dramatically to fit better with the team

[J Shuttlesworth]

He shot 49.5% in 2006 and over 49% two other times. His lowest FG% was in his rookie year when he shot 46.5%.

LeBron's career high before joining the Heat was 50.3%, so you'd be the idiot not to recognize that he and Wade both benefit from double-teams on each other. Just the other night in the 4th quarter of Game 2, he got an open 3 because Wade was actually tripled when he had Hill in the post and George and Hibbert came to help.

But, the thing that most inflates LeBron's (and Wade's) FG% are all the dunks and easy lay-ups. Those are pretty high percentage shots.
Not saying this is wrong, but they are both benefiting from each other being on the floor, as is Bosh. How is that not making them a better player? It goes two ways, but Wade has clearly been a more efficient scorer with LeBron on his side. That doesn't mean that Wade doesn't help LeBron get more efficient, but it still indicates that the addition of LeBron makes Wade more efficient. Obviously LeBron is going to be more efficient on a team where he has other options for scoring, unlike the Cavs, so that goes without saying.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Ask any real Raptors fan and they'll most likely tell you how Bosh always used to disappoint in the playoffs. He had what, like 3 playoffs wins in his 7 years with the Raptors? To make it worse, I recall him playing like shit in at least two of those three wins. He's a good 3rd option but he's not going to lead your team very far as the franchise player.

[navy]

:no:

again, 16 & 7 + being an all star as the 3rd option is pretty damn good
:confusedshrug:

and you're right about him not being the same player in Toronto, he's COMPLETELY CHANGED HIS GAME!

ever since coming to Miami he has accommodated his game to work better around Wade & Bran.

Bosh took 168 total 3 point attempts in Toronto..

This year he took 218 3 point attempts..

Ever since the 2011 finals Bosh has gradually worked on his outside game, he shot 54% from 3 in the 2012 playoffs :biggums:

His rebounding numbers go down because of his new 3 point weapon as he camps out at the 3 point line more often these days..

In the 2011 & 2012 playoffs Bosh averaged more than 2 offensive rebounds per game, during this time he took a total of 17 three point attempts..

in 2013 & 2014 playoffs so far Bosh has averaged less than 2 offensive rebounds per game, during this time he's taken a total of 81 three point attempts and counting..

Bosh hasn't declined, he's just changed his game dramatically to fit better with the team

Regular season bro. Like I said, I think Bosh is good and fully capable of playing like a 16/7 player in the postseason. He has just been scrubbing it up. And it isnt for debate.

He worked on is outside game because his inside game declined. Not because he wanted to fit the Heat system but because he declined physically enough going into the post wasnt/isnt an effective way for him to score anymore.

3 point shooting only effects offensive possessions. Stop using that BS as an excuse. His defensive rebounding is what is atrocious and has gotten worse every year he has been with the Heat. Dude is averaging what 5 rebounds per game in the playoffs? And you think it's because of 3 point shooting? No. He just isnt the same as he was in the first few years of the Heat and way different from Toronto.

Like I said there is no excuse for Bosh to not match his regular season production. I dont care about about any thing else. Just play up to his 16 and 6.6 self. If not he deserves all the criticism he currently gets.

[Real14]

your teams 3rd option is a 20/10 guy who can lead his own team to the playoffs and YOU'RE COMPLAINING :roll:
Exactly. These damn delusional ass Lebron and Wade stans always try to discredit Bosh, like Why complain about it if tha refs still let y'all win in that first damn place?:biggums: plus y'all have tha stackest team of all time, all that help Lebron can get:coleman:

[aj1987]

Jesus dude :facepalm

I was showing how he took a small amount of 3 pointers his first 2 years with the HEAT and compared it to the large amount of three pointers he's attempted in the last 2 years with the HEAT to demonstrate how he's changed his game

how is this going over your head?
Still doesn't change the FACT that the SG out rebounded the starting C in the ECF. Oh, and the SG was playing on one leg. With 3 knee bruises.

0 points in a game 7 as well. Did he change it so that a 37 year Timmy goes prime mode on him, or that his 0 points were part of his change?

[secund2nun]

Exactly. These damn delusional ass Lebron and Wade stans always try to discredit Bosh, like Why complain about it if tha refs still let y'all win in that first damn place?:biggums: plus y'all have tha stackest team of all time, all that help Lebron can get:coleman:

LOL Miami beat the Spurs and the refs in the 2013 NBA finals.

Bosh gets raped by old man Duncan and Hibbert. That's on him. Bosh= overrated.

[PJR]

And for the moronic "LeBron turned Bosh into a three point shooter" crowd. Or the "Miami/Spoelstra don't use Bosh correctly" one too.

You can shut that shit up right now.


The only way Heat center Chris Bosh will see himself playing in the post again is by watching old highlight videos.

Bosh made it even clearer Saturday his days of living on the block are gone.

As in R.I.P to his post game.

"I don't bang anybody anymore," Bosh said. "It's a tired thing for me. It's not my strength and I understand that."

Bosh has gradually made the transition since signing with the Heat in 2010. After being a back-to-the-basket player for years with the Toronto Raptors, he has become more perimeter-oriented on offense.


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-miami-heat-news-0525-20140524,0,1719925.story

[jrong]

And for the moronic "LeBron turned Bosh into a three point shooter" crowd. Or the "Miami/Spoelstra don't use Bosh correctly" one too.

You can shut that shit up right now.



http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-miami-heat-news-0525-20140524,0,1719925.story

It's like he does it to himself. I feel bad for him because his reputation has been destroyed through this team-up, but he doesn't help himself with stuff like this. Fortunately for him, whether people think he deserves it or not, he's going to be in the Hall of Fame.

[aj1987]

And for the moronic "LeBron turned Bosh into a three point shooter" crowd. Or the "Miami/Spoelstra don't use Bosh correctly" one too.

You can shut that shit up right now.



http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-miami-heat-news-0525-20140524,0,1719925.story
Watch people call you a LeBron stan, while ignoring Bosh's OWN statement.

[SilkkTheShocker]

would have never guessed Bosh played in the 13 Finals aside from his the end of game 6. How the F.UCK do you score 0 points in an elimination game? :eek:

[Mr Exlax]

Damn I just saw 5 players on Miami say LeBron makes everybody better lol.

[PJR]

It's like he does it to himself. I feel bad for him because his reputation has been destroyed through this team-up, but he doesn't help himself with stuff like this. Fortunately for him, whether people think he deserves it or not, he's going to be in the Hall of Fame.

Reputation destroyed? Not really.

He went from being dubbed the "Rupaul of Big Men" by Shaq, to a two time champion, and quite possibly a Hall of Famer.

I respect Bosh's candidness, and him keeping it real. He doesn't like contact(never did), and wants to avoid it. So he changed his game accordingly. It's all good. A little overpaid for that, though.

[16X]

OP making early excuses because he's a Bran stan. Don't worry AJ, the Heat are going to 3 peat. Spurs are old as hell and the Pacers have next to zero chance.

Bosh plays away from the basket, so he's not going to rebound like he used to. Bran needs a certain number of boards to be content and satisfy his ego, so he's going to get his. Bosh hardly gets any plays run for him. Bran relegated him to being a spot up shooter, so you're going to see some low scoring games when his shot is off. You're really gonna sh*t on your All Star player when there's only one ball, and the man is 3rd option behind the two best players in his conference? Bosh is playing with the two best offensive weapons in the entire Eastern Conference and you want him to put up his Toronto numbers or anything close? :lol

[16X]

would have never guessed Bosh played in the 13 Finals aside from his the end of game 6. How the F.UCK do you score 0 points in an elimination game? :eek:
Maybe because Miami's gamplan was not to go to Bosh that game. Bosh took 5 shots. Bran had 23 FGA and Wade had 21 FGA. These guys shots were dropping so they kept shooting. Not that hard to understand :confusedshrug:

[Real14]

would have never guessed Bosh played in the 13 Finals aside from his the end of game 6. How the F.UCK do you score 0 points in an elimination game? :eek:
Did them niguhz still magically win tho?:coleman:

[secund2nun]

OP making early excuses because he's a Bran stan. Don't worry AJ, the Heat are going to 3 peat. Spurs are old as hell and the Pacers have next to zero chance.

Bosh plays away from the basket, so he's not going to rebound like he used to. Bran needs a certain number of boards to be content and satisfy his ego, so he's going to get his. Bosh hardly gets any plays run for him. Bran relegated him to being a spot up shooter, so you're going to see some low scoring games when his shot is off. You're really gonna sh*t on your All Star player when there's only one ball, and the man is 3rd option behind the two best players in his conference? Bosh is playing with the two best offensive weapons in the entire Eastern Conference and you want him to put up his Toronto numbers or anything close? :lol

Gasol > Kobe

[16X]

Gasol > Kobe
I agree. Marc Gasol is more valuable to a team on the court than Kobe right now. What does that have to do with Bosh and the Heat?

[Hey Yo]

These are tweets posted by Zach Lowe this afternoon on his interview with Bosh.

Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA 6h
On when he made that decision about his game: "When I found out you could get one more point for shooting 3s."

Bosh also says Heat's style of defense is exhausting, and that he already gives up 20-30 pounds to most bigs. Posting up saps 2 much energy.

Interestingly, he also said drawing double-teams is a reason he doesn't like posting much. And in TOR, he was still more a face-up guy.

Bosh remains a great interview. Honest, smart, thoughtful. Will talk Xs-and-Os, too.

That said, if he finds Luis Scola on him, Bosh should still be able to get a bucket. That's how I prefaced the question on post-ups today.

[aj1987]

OP making early excuses because he's a Bran stan. Don't worry AJ, the Heat are going to 3 peat. Spurs are old as hell and the Pacers have next to zero chance.
I know. I've always maintained that the Heat WILL 3peat. NEVER said that the Heat will lose. :facepalm

[FLDFSU]

Bosh is horrible. I cannot believe we wasted 100 million on this guy.

He better come to play games 4-7.

He literally should give his game check to James, Wade, Allen, and even Cole.

Jesus :facepalm

[Hoopz2332]

Bosh always struggles vs Pacers:lol Dude better pick it up though:coleman:

[dunksby]

Only LeBronytes post threads bashing Heat players, I wonder where all the Wade bashing threads gone to?

[pastis]

yes he is overrated, but still: give him duncan teams and spurs wouldnt be worse. super stacked spurs team, manu, parker, spliiter, leonardh etc pp. :applause: :applause:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Problem with your theory is that Wade does NOT regularly draw double teams. :facepalm Bosh NEVER draws attention away from Lebron or Wade. Even if your theory about Wade drawing attention away from Lebron on a regular basis was correct, the guy missed almost 30 games this year! Yet somehow Lebron still averaged a career high in field goal percentage, despite the fact that many nights he was the ONLY player the defense was concentrated on defending. :coleman:
this
LeBron would shoot 58% on ANY team and 60+% on teams that actually run plays and post ups for him.
most of LeBrons buckets as a heat come from self created offense.
hes that good.
now to Bosh.
i like the dude, hes funny as fukk and a great teammate but he also sucks right now.
i think and hope he will step it up against the Spurs should the Heat make it that far.
he is able to give Duncan problems at times since Duncan isnt that strong and athletic any more.
he can also be VERY important in keeping Parker away from the basket because Bosh is a GREAt PnR defender.
hes just trash against Indiana and no one seems to be able to change that.

[Kingwillball]

Imagine if heat even got 18/10 out if him ? Now he is putting up 9/6 games a lot more often dude has fell off and his defense and rebounding are terrible..heat need to let him walk in offseason win or lose unless they somehow get a legit center move him to PF but in order to get a real
Center will need his freed up $...

[plowking]

I am/was a big fan of Bosh's, but I seriously have trouble defending the guy anymore.
Even as late as this season I maintained he was the best, or at least 2nd best PF in the league, over guys like Love, Griffin, Aldridge, etc... I can't anymore. He really has regressed, a lot. He isn't worth his contract, and I would be completely fine with him leaving at the end of the season if his level of play doesn't pick up.

The simple fact is, you don't get paid $20 mil a year to put up 9/4 on sub 40% shooting in the ECF's. May as well go grab Kwame Brown to do it for me for 2 or 3 mil a season. And he'd at least be able to defend the post.

I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but they were literally isolating whoever had Bosh on him in the 1st half, and let them go to work. This was while Ray Allen was on the damn floor, one of the worst defenders ever at his age. If you're going to be a liability to that point, sit your ass on the bench, and don't get up. Otherwise pick your play up.

No one to blame but himself. Idiots on here will talk about how Lebron doesn't make him better, and this and that, but Lebron and Wade aren't to blame. Bosh is just a plain old average player at this point. I'm thankful he came here and everything; obviously grabbing that huge rebound and what not, but he is easily replaceable.

Pick up your play if you want another contract as good as the one you have.

[Bigsmoke]

and now as a 3rd option has put up 17 & 7 ever year with the HEAT and has made the all star team every year with the HEAT

and again, this 17 & 7 guy who has made the all star team every year since 2006, is your 3rd option..

and HEAT fans are complaining about having that guy as their 3rd option :oldlol: :confusedshrug:
The OP is clearly talking about Bosh' underwhelming play in the post season moron:lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

Bosh is horrible. I cannot believe we wasted 100 million on this guy.

He better come to play games 4-7.

He literally should give his game check to James, Wade, Allen, and even Cole.

Jesus :facepalm
Game 6 and 7 won't be necessary bud

[Bigsmoke]

I don't get where people get this "bosh a 25/12 player" myth from.

He never averaged 25ppg nor 12rpg ever in his career let alone being able to average both consistently at the same time. If he was then why he can't carry that level of play to another team? Hell. Barkley being in his mid 30's weighing 290 pounds with a bad back and knees was still getting g 13 rebounds a game playing with Hakeem and Kevin Willis and don't forget Drexler was a great rebounding gaurd. But Bosh... A 25/12 superstar in his prime... Consistently struggles at getting rebounds and gets outplayed by Roy Hibbert and David West everytime

[TheMarkMadsen]

good call OP, this guy sucks, must be real drag having him as the 3rd option

putting up 23 & 8 the last 2 games, 19 & 5 so far in 18 minutes in game 6

CAN WE GET SOME HELP PLS!!

[aj1987]

good call OP, this guy sucks, must be real drag having him as the 3rd option

putting up 23 & 8 the last 2 games, 19 & 5 so far in 18 minutes in game 6

CAN WE GET SOME HELP PLS!!
23 and 8 in 2 GAMES!?! OMG! That's AMAZING! Hope Miami signs him for 5 years and $300M!!

[TheMarkMadsen]

23 and 8 in 2 GAMES!?! OMG! That's AMAZING! Hope Miami signs him for 5 years and $300M!!

23.3 ppg on 55% games 4-6..

as a 3rd option..

:applause:

[aj1987]

23.3 ppg on 55% games 4-6..

as a 3rd option..

:applause:
He sure didn't look like a 3rd option to me.

Also, when I made this thread, Bosh was averaging 13/5 on 47%. Retard.

Last playoffs? 12/7 on 46%. Retard.

But but 23 points in 3 games doe. Retard.

[16X]

AJ exposed as being as dumb as the other Bran stans.

[aj1987]

AJ exposed as being as dumb as the other Bran stans.
Because Bosh had 3 good games against the Pacers? Did your dumbass miss my previous post?


Bosh was averaging 13/5 on 47%.

Last playoffs? 12/7 on 46%.

16/6 against the Pacers this year as well.

15/5 over the first three rounds.

So, yeah. Dude is NOT a superstar and definitely NOT worth $20M a year.


God, Kobetards are the dumbest!

[TheMarkMadsen]

Because Bosh had 3 good games against the Pacers? Did your dumbass miss my previous post?


Bosh was averaging 13/5 on 47%.

Last playoffs? 12/7 on 46%.

16/6 against the Pacers this year as well.

15/5 over the first three rounds.

So, yeah. Dude is NOT a superstar and definitely NOT worth $20M a year.


God, Kobetards are the dumbest!


Bosh gets paid 20M a year because he's known around the league as a 20+ppg guy who can lead a team to the playoffs, denseness have to respect Bosh as so

[aj1987]

Bosh gets paid 20M a year because he's known around the league as a 20+ppg guy who can lead a team to the playoffs, denseness have to respect Bosh as so
:facepalm

:facepalm

:facepalm

[16X]

Because Bosh had 3 good games against the Pacers? Did your dumbass miss my previous post?


Bosh was averaging 13/5 on 47%.

Last playoffs? 12/7 on 46%.

16/6 against the Pacers this year as well.

15/5 over the first three rounds.

So, yeah. Dude is NOT a superstar and definitely NOT worth $20M a year.


God, Kobetards are the dumbest!
I'm not a "Kobe tard". He's my favourite player, but I'm a rational fan unlike you. I can accept that Bran > Kobe, yet you are too much of a baby to even admit that Bosh is an All Star talent. 95 percent of the people here do not consider Bosh a superstar, so please get past that and stop acting like anyone actually thinks he's a superstar. Bosh is a fantastic third option. You're in here acting like Bosh has had 3 good games in his entire career.

He's not a max contract player? :facepalm Multiple teams would have given him the max, so he's a max contract player, period. What do you not understand about this concept?

[RedBlackAttack]

Can you be considered a fan of a team when you hope 14 of the guys on the active roster and all of the coaches fail horribly, so you can heap praise on one guy alone?

Food for thought.

[aj1987]

I'm not a "Kobe tard". He's my favourite player, but I'm a rational fan unlike you. I can accept that Bran > Kobe, yet you are too much of a baby to even admit that Bosh is an All Star talent. 95 percent of the people here do not consider Bosh a superstar, so please get past that and stop acting like anyone actually thinks he's a superstar. Bosh is a fantastic third option. You're in here acting like Bosh has had 3 good games in his entire career.

He's not a max contract player? :facepalm Multiple teams would have given him the max, so he's a max contract player, period. What do you not understand about this concept?
I don't really care about Kobe > LeBron or LeBron > Kobe. I only post about that crap in troll threads.

How hard is the title to understand? Bosh is NOT a SUPERSTAR. Not talking about being an All-Star. I'm talking about people calling him a superstar. If you actually believe that "95%" of the posters here believe that Bosh isn't a superstar, you don't post here (NBA section) too much.

Bosh is a decent player, but he's not a franchise level player and definitely not with the $20M he's making. Sure, a bunch of teams would've given him $20M in '10. Not anymore though. We'll see what he makes after this contract.

Bosh had 3 good game. Good for him. I've given him credit when he plays well. I always said that he is a very good help defender and makes the Heat's trapping/swarming defense work. I would love it, if he can be a consistent 20/10 player. I wish he plays like a superstar all the time. That doesn't happen though. He was garbage last Playoffs and has been pretty bad this year as well, until Game 4.

13/5, 12/7, 16/6, 15/5, etc. are not All-Star level numbers. Heck Al Jeff deserved to be an All-Star more than Bosh. If those are All-Star level numbers, there's are a couple of All-Stars on each and EVERY team in the league. I mean, name an All-Star who scored 0 points in a Game 7 of the freaking Finals.

[16X]

I don't really care about Kobe > LeBron or LeBron > Kobe. I only post about that crap in troll threads.

How hard is the title to understand? Bosh is NOT a SUPERSTAR. Not talking about being an All-Star. I'm talking about people calling him a superstar. If you actually believe that "95%" of the posters here believe that Bosh isn't a superstar, you don't post here (NBA section) too much.

Bosh is a decent player, but he's not a franchise level player and definitely not with the $20M he's making. Sure, a bunch of teams would've given him $20M in '10. Not anymore though. We'll see what he makes after this contract.

Bosh had 3 good game. Good for him. I've given him credit when he plays well. I always said that he is a very good help defender and makes the Heat's trapping/swarming defense work. I would love it, if he can be a consistent 20/10 player. I wish he plays like a superstar all the time. That doesn't happen though. He was garbage last Playoffs and has been pretty bad this year as well, until Game 4.

13/5, 12/7, 16/6, 15/5, etc. are not All-Star level numbers. Heck Al Jeff deserved to be an All-Star more than Bosh. If those are All-Star level numbers, there's are a couple of All-Stars on each and EVERY team in the league. I mean, name an All-Star who scored 0 points in a Game 7 of the freaking Finals.
Well, it's mostly just trolls who call him a superstar, and they make it pretty clear that they're trolling most of the time. A few posters who are slow in the head like 20Four may actually believe Bosh is a superstar :confusedshrug: I don't know.

You say you would love it if Bosh could be a consistent 20/10 player? Do you even watch the Heat? Some nights Bosh gets only 4-6 shots, and is standing behind the 3 point line for a large portion of time, while playing out of position since he's not a real centre. That's what Spo wants. That's the gameplan. Bosh is a spot up shooter who gets almost no plays run for him. You expect a guy to score 20 consistently when he's getting 4 shots some nights? Come on now. Quit with this "he should be putting up 20/10 nightly" bull.

When you're playing behind the two best players in the entire Eastern conference (Bran and Wade), there are going to be nights when you only get to put up 4 shots. You want Bosh to be a 20/10 player, so that means you want the Heat's gameplan to change so Bosh is more involved, right? Well, the Heat are about to 3peat, so why change what's working?

So what if he had zero points in game 7 of the Finals? He took 5 shots. FIVE freaking shots. You're shitting on the guy for missing 5 shots lol. Lebron took 23 shots and Wade took 21 shots, and they were on fire so they kept shooting. Not that hard to understand, AJ. Bosh was not part of the gameplan so he didn't score. The gameplan was for the two best players in the East, Bran and Wade, to dominate. You're basically shitting on Bosh for not ignoring the game plan, and for not stealing shots and demanding the ball from Bran and Wade :lol

[Legends66NBA7]

Can you be considered a fan of a team when you hope 14 of the guys on the active roster and all of the coaches fail horribly, so you can heap praise on one guy alone?

Food for thought.

If your referring to the OP, you couldn't be further from the truth.

His criticism is on point before Bosh had good games and will remain on point as long as Bosh struggles in the playoffs, which he tends to do often.

[stalkerforlife]

It doesn't matter what Bosh actually does boxscore wise, because true basketball enthusiasts already know he can put up a lot of points and rebounds. However, maybe out of humility, he has chosen to let other guys shine while watching his personal numbers fall. Bosh is giving all the glory to the other guys, and not because he has to.

He's still really good defensively. He could still lead his own franchise to the playoffs.

[sd3035]

Aj got absolutely killed in this thread :roll:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ptXtGGI3IYw/Ukh9BKy-HhI/AAAAAAAATt4/oOp5Pappjnk/s400/morton+ether.jpg

[RedBlackAttack]

If your referring to the OP, you couldn't be further from the truth.

His criticism is on point before Bosh had good games and will remain on point as long as Bosh struggles in the playoffs, which he tends to do often.
How about when he sounds incredibly angry and annoyed in the aftermath of a brilliant performance by Bosh? Odd behavior for a supposed fan of the team he plays for.

He pretty clearly wants him to fail. So... yeah.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I liked it. bosh made Hibbert his bitch today :applause:

[aj1987]

How about when he sounds incredibly angry and annoyed in the aftermath of a brilliant performance by Bosh? Odd behavior for a supposed fan of the team he plays for.

He pretty clearly wants him to fail. So... yeah.
Are you stupid? Why the **** would I want a Heat player to fail? If Bosh sucks ass in the Finals, there's no way the Heat are 3peating. :facepalm

[zoom17]

Are you stupid? Why the **** would I want a Heat player to fail? If Bosh sucks ass in the Finals, there's no way the Heat are 3peating. :facepalm

:applause:

[Legends66NBA7]

How about when he sounds incredibly angry and annoyed in the aftermath of a brilliant performance by Bosh? Odd behavior for a supposed fan of the team he plays for.

He pretty clearly wants him to fail. So... yeah.

Yeah, because of the obvious agenda from other posters to try and promote Bosh to some how downplay the other Heat players (James and Wade, mostly James). It's kinda redundant by now (not just this thread) and I'm sure most would see that, but whatever.

How do you know he wants him to fail ? Pretty sure it's a consistency thing that Heat fans want. I know Raptor fans didn't get "brilliant" performances from Bosh when he was a Raptor consistently, like all but 1 time in 13 showings in the playoffs. I wanted him and the Raptors to succeed. They didn't and it had a lot to do with him.

[tpols]

What third options have been worth a max?? Not many.. You're too small a piece of the puzzle to match impact but Bosh is still an all star level player, HOF, all NBA selection level player.

[aj1987]

You say you would love it if Bosh could be a consistent 20/10 player? Do you even watch the Heat? Some nights Bosh gets only 4-6 shots, and is standing behind the 3 point line for a large portion of time, while playing out of position since he's not a real centre. That's what Spo wants. That's the gameplan. Bosh is a spot up shooter who gets almost no plays run for him. You expect a guy to score 20 consistently when he's getting 4 shots some nights? Come on now. Quit with this "he should be putting up 20/10 nightly" bull.
You obviously don't watch the Heat, because Bosh took 4-6 shots exactly 4 times this season. He averaged 12 shots a games, FFS. :facepalm You're acting like Bosh getting 4 shots a game is the norm, when he's averaging 12 for the season. This is what I'm talking about. People like you watch one or two Heat games the ENTIRE season and act as if you know everything about the Heat. How they utilize each and every player, how each player is performing, etc.

Go and check the GT's. I probably started ~40 of them and posted in almost every Heat GT. Stopped at the end when the trolling was unbearable. I watched more Heat games this season, then what you've probably watched in your entire life.


When you're playing behind the two best players in the entire Eastern conference (Bran and Wade), there are going to be nights when you only get to put up 4 shots. You want Bosh to be a 20/10 player, so that means you want the Heat's gameplan to change so Bosh is more involved, right? Well, the Heat are about to 3peat, so why change what's working?
You do know that Wade just missed 30 games in the RS, right? During a stretch of 12 games (Wade missed 11 of them), Bosh put up 14/6 on 46%. Stop acting like Bosh never got a chance to be the 2nd option. He did and he was terrible. Well, not terrible, but he was not an All-Star level player.

I've been saying that they should change it since forever. Heat absolutely struggle against teams with good front courts. Again, do you never watch the Heat?




So what if he had zero points in game 7 of the Finals? He took 5 shots. FIVE freaking shots. You're shitting on the guy for missing 5 shots lol. Lebron took 23 shots and Wade took 21 shots, and they were on fire so they kept shooting. Not that hard to understand, AJ. Bosh was not part of the gameplan so he didn't score. The gameplan was for the two best players in the East, Bran and Wade, to dominate. You're basically shitting on Bosh for not ignoring the game plan, and for not stealing shots and demanding the ball from Bran and Wade :lol
He missed all 5 of the shots he took in a Game 7 of the FINALS. Why the heck would they give him the ball when he's bricking everything in a close game? They tried to get him going, so that the defense would spread out, but he wet the bed. Luckily, LeBron's and Wade's jumpers were on and they went to work on the Spurs.

Once again, 12/9 on 46% in the Finals, while letting Timmy go ham.

12/7 in the '13 Playoffs. 15/6 is what he's averaging during these Playoffs.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yeah, because of the obvious agenda from other posters to try and promote Bosh to some how downplay the other Heat players (James and Wade, mostly James). It's kinda redundant by now (not just this thread) and I'm sure most would see that, but whatever.

How do you know he wants him to fail ? Pretty sure it's a consistency thing that Heat fans want. I know Raptor fans didn't get "brilliant" performances from Bosh when he was a Raptor consistently, like all but 1 time in 13 showings in the playoffs. I wanted him and the Raptors to succeed. They didn't and it had a lot to with him.

24/9/4/2 in his last playoff series as a Raptor isn't bad..

how much did you expect him to accomplish with Jason Kapono as his 2nd leading scorer?

[navy]

What have I said repeatedly? Bosh has it in him. There was no excuse for him to be getting abused by Roy Hibbert and David West. Now he must redeem himself for that putrid Finals performance last year. He should man handle Tim Duncan and Tiago Splitter this time. I fully expect him to destroy Ibaka and Perkins (again) and Adams.

[aj1987]

24/9/4/2 in his last playoff series as a Raptor isn't bad..

how much did you expect him to accomplish with Jason Kapono as his 2nd leading scorer?
18/9 on 40% in the other one.

[Graviton]

Bosh's impact goes beyond numbers. His heart, clutchness and attitude are not seen in the box score. He is the best teammate one could ask for.

He has stepped up in EVERY must win playoff game. Raped Ibaka/Porkins in 2012. Held Duncan to 0 FG makes in 2nd half of Game 6 in 2013. And his pick n roll D shut down Parker/Green, also who can forget that rebound that saved them all. 0 points in Game 7 but again amazing defense and another win.

Bosh may not be worth 20 mil but his presence alone is huge, he sacrifices his whole game so Lebron/Wade can shine. But we have retarded boxscore whores here going "herp derp why no 20/10". Dude even said he will take a paycut. Bosh is the bro among bros, all about the team. **** whoever doubts him still. All I know is he will leave his mark in every crucial Game 6/7 and will contribute to a WIN.

[plowking]

How about when he sounds incredibly angry and annoyed in the aftermath of a brilliant performance by Bosh? Odd behavior for a supposed fan of the team he plays for.

He pretty clearly wants him to fail. So... yeah.

Stop. :facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

18/9 on 40% in the other one.

Ok? He was 22 years old and surrounded by a shit team

the next year he went out and put up 24/9/4/2 while still being surrounded by a bad team

[Legends66NBA7]

24/9/4/2 in his last playoff series as a Raptor isn't bad..

He only played 2 of those 5 games at a good/great level and from what I'm expected to see from him.


how much did you expect him to accomplish with Jason Kapono as his 2nd leading scorer?

I'm sorry, Jason Kapono isn't make Bosh under perform in 3 of those 5 games because of his scoring. That team was also about balance outside of Bosh. You would know that if you watched them play. Maybe Bosh should play on level he did in Game 4 of that series (you know... where a real star or even a superstar will raise his game from the regular season ?) more and I wouldn't be on his ass for years for under performing.

Where I'm from, our star players get the praise and the blame. I'm not looking at Jason Kapono and what more he can do to help Bosh. I'm looking at Bosh and what he can do help the team as the top option. Just like how I look at Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan to perform at the highest possible level and how they can lead the Raptors.

[RedBlackAttack]

Yeah, because of the obvious agenda from other posters to try and promote Bosh to some how downplay the other Heat players (James and Wade, mostly James). It's kinda redundant by now (not just this thread) and I'm sure most would see that, but whatever.

How do you know he wants him to fail ? Pretty sure it's a consistency thing that Heat fans want. I know Raptor fans didn't get "brilliant" performances from Bosh when he was a Raptor consistently, like all but 1 time in 13 showings in the playoffs. I wanted him and the Raptors to succeed. They didn't and it had a lot to do with him.
Actually, I just reviewed a few of OP's other posts regarding the construct of the Heat and he's been more fair than I anticipated. He's given Wade a lot of credit when it's due.

There is a large segment of Heat fans on here who do everything in their power to downplay the presence of Wade, Bosh, Allen, the coaches... everyone, in an effort to heap praise on James.

It doesn't appear, at least on a cursory glance, that OP falls into that category. However, let's not pretend that this agenda-driven stuff only goes one way.

Yeah, there are some who probably inflate Bosh's importance to minimize James' role in these championship runs. But, the opposite agenda-driven posters also exist, in pretty substantial numbers.

I still think it's odd that a Heat fan would appear so angry after such a fine performance, but to each his own.



Bosh is a fantastic third option. That's undeniable. And, he's a borderline third option at that. Ray Allen oftentimes steps into the third and even second option roles and it isn't because Bosh/Wade aren't really, really good... it's because he's pretty much an ideal fit with James/Wade, even at his advanced age.

That quartet -- James, Wade, Bosh, Allen -- rivals some of the best that have ever graced a single roster. Bosh is not a superstar, but he is an All-Star talent... even borderline Olympic-level. When you have that as just another starter on your team?

He was never going to do much more than lead a team to the playoffs as the No. 1 option. That was clear back in '10, which is why everyone naturally assumed he'd go somewhere that didn't force him to be the first option. But, as a third/fourth option?

The guy is fantastic. Even when he's not putting up numbers, he has to be accounted for and his length/quickness are one of the keys to Miami's constantly hedging defense. He's also never going to be the kind of player who puts up huge stats each night with the role that he has. That doesn't mean he isn't a damn good player.

[Rocketswin2013]

Bosh's impact goes beyond numbers. His heart, clutchness and attitude are not seen in the box score. He is the best teammate one could ask for.

He has stepped up in EVERY must win playoff game. Raped Ibaka/Porkins in 2012. Held Duncan to 0 FG makes in 2nd half of Game 6 in 2013. And his pick n roll D shut down Parker/Green, also who can forget that rebound that saved them all. 0 points in Game 7 but again amazing defense and another win.

Bosh may not be worth 20 mil but his presence alone is huge, he sacrifices his whole game so Lebron/Wade can shine. But we have retarded boxscore whores here going "herp derp why no 20/10". Dude even said he will take a paycut. Bosh is the bro among bros, all about the team. **** whoever doubts him still. All I know is he will leave his mark in every crucial Game 6/7 and will contribute to a WIN.
i agree with what you said but it's worth mentioning he had exactly 0 points in the finals game 7 last year. :lol

[Legends66NBA7]

It doesn't appear, at least on a cursory glance, that OP falls into that category. However, let's not pretend that this agenda-driven stuff only goes one way.

Yeah, there are some who probably inflate Bosh's importance to minimize James' role in these championship runs. But, the opposite agenda-driven posters also exist, in pretty substantial numbers.

I still think it's odd that a Heat fan would appear so angry after such a fine performance, but to each his own.

Off course it goes both ways. Majority of things do. I'm actually on OP's side because I used to criticize (well, I criticize all Raptor players but the stars even more) Bosh a lot when player for Toronto and his down fall.

Nobody is going to convince me he did a good/great job in Toronto during the playoffs. It always comes back down to that "he wasn't supported well enough" but then go on and use his 3 wins as a source of proof... when those same "shit players" outplayed him in every one of those wins.

In Miami, he can do his job because he's got 2 all-time great talents supporting him and he's not the man. You aren't going to win title(s) or make deep playoff runs with Bosh as your best player as all evidence supports that.

[tpols]

i agree with what you said but it's worth mentioning he had exactly 0 points in the finals game 7 last year. :lol
Yea.. But I remember battier having something like 6 threes to make up for it. I hate that bald headed troll

[RedBlackAttack]

Off course it goes both ways. Majority of things do. I'm actually on OP's side because I used to criticize (well, I criticize all Raptor players but the stars even more) Bosh a lot when player for Toronto and his down fall.

Nobody is going to convince me he did a good/great job here. It always comes back down to that "he wasn't supported well enough" but then go on and use his 3 wins as a source of proof... when those same "shit players" outplayed him in every one of those wins.
He was never going to be a great first option. Like I said, I think that was pretty clear to most people who are being honest. First round of the playoffs was about as far as he was going to take you.

In retrospect, the Raps were probably better off letting him go and building a more balanced roster. However, his situation is wholly different in Miami. Having "just a couple" 25/12 type performances in a series when you also have the best player on the planet, another elite guy and arguably the best shooter of all-time?

Those come in handy.

[Graviton]

i agree with what you said but it's worth mentioning he had exactly 0 points in the finals game 7 last year. :lol
His impact defensively more than made up for it. Bosh is the only big that can work with this Miami D thanks to his quickness.

www.sbnation.com/NBA/2013/6/21/4452340/nba-finals-heat-spurs-chris-bosh-defense

[plowking]

Bosh's impact goes beyond numbers. His heart, clutchness and attitude are not seen in the box score. He is the best teammate one could ask for.

He has stepped up in EVERY must win playoff game. Raped Ibaka/Porkins in 2012. Held Duncan to 0 FG makes in 2nd half of Game 6 in 2013. And his pick n roll D shut down Parker/Green, also who can forget that rebound that saved them all. 0 points in Game 7 but again amazing defense and another win.

Bosh may not be worth 20 mil but his presence alone is huge, he sacrifices his whole game so Lebron/Wade can shine. But we have retarded boxscore whores here going "herp derp why no 20/10". Dude even said he will take a paycut. Bosh is the bro among bros, all about the team. **** whoever doubts him still. All I know is he will leave his mark in every crucial Game 6/7 and will contribute to a WIN.

This I agree with. It's all about diminishing returns, and he can't be worth $20 million on a team like this.
There are some nights where he will play like that type of player, but in general, yeah, he isn't worth that much. A fantastic player, that I always stood behind, though my patience grew thin this series. Though when I was ready to start hurling even more abuse at him, he stepped it up, and proved he belongs.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Bosh is a top 20 maybe top 15 player
he would kill it on his own team

averages w/o Bran this season 27.1/8.5/2/1 49/34/81 shoot.

w/o Bran he had 37/10/2/1 58% shooting and gamewinner in Rip City outplaying LMA when he was on his MVP tear
outplayed Joakim on both ends with 28/10:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[RedBlackAttack]

The most consistent thing Bosh brings to this Miami team isn't his scoring or his rebounding or any of that. It's his versatility, quickness and length defensively which goes a long way to helping Miami play its crazy hedging, swarming defensive style, especially in the playoffs when the game slows down.

Like James and Wade, he can cover so much ground, they're pretty much a nightmare to score against consistently. It almost takes a perfect counter-machine like the Spurs' ball movement to have real success in stretches. Otherwise, you're going to look really bad for quarters of play at a time.

You can argue whether or not he's worth max money at this stage. It's a debate worth having. But, if he departs, he won't be easily replaced. They'd probably have to change their defensive strategy.

[Graviton]

This I agree with. It's all about diminishing returns, and he can't be worth $20 million on a team like this.
There are some nights where he will play like that type of player, but in general, yeah, he isn't worth that much. A fantastic player, that I always stood behind, though my patience grew thin this series. Though when I was ready to start hurling even more abuse at him, he stepped it up, and proved he belongs.
You should know by now Bosh is a troll. He will play like shit in first couple playoff games then suddenly transform into King Boshtrich in crucial must win matches. He has been doing this every playoffs since 2011. :lol

[Graviton]

Bosh is a top 20 maybe top 15 player
he would kill it on his own team

averages w/o Bran this season 27.1/8.5/2/1 49/34/81 shoot.

w/o Bran he had 37/10/2/1 58% shooting and gamewinner in Rip City outplaying LMA when he was on his MVP tear
outplayed Joakim on both ends with 28/10:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Don't forget beating the Spurs without Bron and Wade while splashing a game winner in Duncan's face. Though I think that was last year. Him and Mario turn into beasts when Bron/Wade are out. Anyone remember that overtime game vs ATL way back? Bosh and Chalmers went ham as ****.

[16X]

You obviously don't watch the Heat, because Bosh took 4-6 shots exactly 4 times this season. He averaged 12 shots a games, FFS. :facepalm You're acting like Bosh getting 4 shots a game is the norm, when he's averaging 12 for the season. This is what I'm talking about. People like you watch one or two Heat games the ENTIRE season and act as if you know everything about the Heat. How they utilize each and every player, how each player is performing, etc.
I never said it was the norm. Stop assuming. I said some nights, game 7 of the Finals being one of those nights.

You're shitting on Bosh for not averaging 20 ppg. He shot 51.6 % in the regular season, and is shooting 49.4 % in the Playoffs so far. Those are fantastic percentages, yet you shit on the guy to prop up Bran. Why? What do you expect Bosh to be averaging? 60 % shooting or something? As a spot up shooter? If Spo wanted Bosh to be more involved and taking more shots, then Spo would run more plays for Bosh. Blame Spo, not Bosh.



He missed all 5 of the shots he took in a Game 7 of the FINALS. Why the heck would they give him the ball when he's bricking everything in a close game? They tried to get him going, so that the defense would spread out, but he wet the bed. Luckily, LeBron's and Wade's jumpers were on and they went to work on the Spurs.

Once again, 12/9 on 46% in the Finals, while letting Timmy go ham.

12/7 in the '13 Playoffs. 15/6 is what he's averaging during these Playoffs.
He wet the bed? lmao wow. Bosh deserves to be applauded for stepping back and letting Bran and Wade take all the shots and all of the glory. He could have demanded the ball and been butthurt that Bran and Wade were hogging all game long, but he saw that they were doing great, and he put the team above his own stats :applause: Chris Bosh is a fantastic teammate.

[navy]

The most consistent thing Bosh brings to this Miami team isn't his scoring or his rebounding or any of that. It's his versatility, quickness and length defensively which goes a long way to helping Miami play its crazy hedging, swarming defensive style, especially in the playoffs when the game slows down.

Like James and Wade, he can cover so much ground, they're pretty much a nightmare to score against consistently. It almost takes a perfect counter-machine like the Spurs' ball movement to have real success in stretches. Otherwise, you're going to look really bad for quarters of play at a time.

You can argue whether or not he's worth max money at this stage. It's a debate worth having. But, if he departs, he won't be easily replaced. They'd probably have to change their defensive strategy.

Bosh is one of the best defenders in the league. Cant defend the post for shit, but everything else is elite. Not sure why people think he can be replaced with Asik.

He's definitely not worth the max on this team. Eats too much cap.

[aj1987]

I never said it was the norm. Stop assuming. I said some nights, game 7 of the Finals being one of those nights.

You're shitting on Bosh for not averaging 20 ppg. He shot 51.6 % in the regular season, and is shooting 49.4 % in the Playoffs so far. Those are fantastic percentages, yet you shit on the guy to prop up Bran. Why? What do you expect Bosh to be averaging? 60 % shooting or something? As a spot up shooter? If Spo wanted Bosh to be more involved and taking more shots, then Spo would run more plays for Bosh. Blame Spo, not Bosh.
Why do you think I'm trying to prop up LeBron. I want Bosh to score and rebound more. I want Bosh to play like a superstar. I want Bosh to play like he's a $20M player. Even with a declining Wade, that would help the Heat immensely. LeBron is gonna be LeBron. He's crawling up the GOAT ladder. Bosh being great doesn't change his legacy. MJ played on loaded teams. Bird played on loaded teams. Magic had amazing teams as well. etc. etc.

I want Bosh to average 17-20 points per game along with 10 boards on 50%+ shooting.

Did you not remember Bosh saying that he doesn't like the physicality that comes with playing in the post? Dude is SOFT. That's on of the reasons why he's on the perimeter.

Once again, 12/9 on 46% in the Finals, while letting Timmy go ham.

12/7 in the '13 Playoffs. 15/6 is what he's averaging during these Playoffs.

If those are All-Star numbers, there are a bunch of All-Stars on each and every team (said this a billion times as well).



He wet the bed? lmao wow. Bosh deserves to be applauded for stepping back and letting Bran and Wade take all the shots and all of the glory. He could have demanded the ball and been butthurt that Bran and Wade were hogging all game long, but he saw that they were doing great, and he put the team above his own stats :applause: Chris Bosh is a fantastic teammate.
When did I say that he's a bad teammate? He's a TERRIFIC teammate. That doesn't mean that he wasn't ass in the '13 Playoffs.

[16X]

Why do you think I'm trying to prop up LeBron. I want Bosh to score and rebound more. I want Bosh to play like a superstar.
There's your problem. You want Bosh to play like a superstar, when he's never been a superstar in his entire career. You want him to be something he's just not, so the issue here is clearly that your expectations are ridiculous. That would be like me shitting on Lamar Odom and saying "Damn, he only averaged 8 ppg? Why can't he play like a superstar like I want him to?" You know why AJ? Because Lamar Odom has never been a superstar.

[Legends66NBA7]

Ok? He was 22 years old and surrounded by a shit team

the next year he went out and put up 24/9/4/2 while still being surrounded by a bad team

Don't know why you missed this:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10077851&postcount=120


He only played 2 of those 5 games at a good/great level and from what I'm expected to see from him.



I'm sorry, Jason Kapono isn't make Bosh under perform in 3 of those 5 games because of his scoring. That team was also about balance outside of Bosh. You would know that if you watched them play. Maybe Bosh should play on level he did in Game 4 of that series (you know... where a real star or even a superstar will raise his game from the regular season ?) more and I wouldn't be on his ass for years for under performing.

Where I'm from, our star players get the praise and the blame. I'm not looking at Jason Kapono and what more he can do to help Bosh. I'm looking at Bosh and what he can do help the team as the top option. Just like how I look at Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan to perform at the highest possible level and how they can lead the Raptors.

None of those teams were shit, especially not the 07 team. That team was designed around Bosh to benefit his strengths. He clearly under performed in more than half his playoff games as a Raptor.

It's funny to see the double standards of these star players are. If they win a series or win a lot, it's because of their teammates and people try to use anyway to downplay the top option. If they lose a series or lose a lot, it's because of their teammates and people try to use how "he was surrounded by shit". It could never be because of the said top options (Bosh's Raptor days in this case), unless someone had a hidden agenda for or against that player.

Again, if you watched those teams you would know all this. You probably didn't just read box scores, so you think his 08 series "wasn't bad", when in context it was bad in 3 of 5 games. In context he was bad for 6 of 11 playoff games for the Raptors and mediciore in another 3 games. That's 8 of 11 he played completely sub par or at best average.

[TheMarkMadsen]

hey op

[DonDadda59]

20/10 player but Bran turned him into a spot-up shooter.

You sold him short. He's at 26/11 so far for the season.

DBosh Unchained :bowdown:

[aj1987]

hey op
Yeah. Bosh wasn't a "superstar" before this season. As I said, I wanted him to score and rebound more and be a better defender. If he did that, I wouldn't have had a problem calling him a superstar. This season, he has been amazing thus far. Has been really good defensively as well. Definitely a top 10 player and is probably a top 3 PF/C.

[Graviton]

Yeah. Bosh wasn't a "superstar" before this season. As I said, I wanted him to score and rebound more and be a better defender. If he did that, I wouldn't have had a problem calling him a superstar. This season, he has been amazing thus far. Has been really good defensively as well. Definitely a top 10 player and is probably a top 3 PF/C.
Shoulda known he still had it, can't be a "superstar" with Lebron and Wade on the team. But if you saw his games when one or both of them were out he was amazing. I still remember that game winner in Duncan's face, and the owning of Aldridge. King Boshtrich is the real deal. :bowdown:

[aj1987]

Shoulda known he still had it, can't be a "superstar" with Lebron and Wade on the team. But if you saw his games when one or both of them were out he was amazing. I still remember that game winner in Duncan's face, and the owning of Aldridge. King Boshtrich is the real deal. :bowdown:
I made this thread mostly in relation to his performances in the PO's. Dude was TERRIBLE. Both on the offensive and defensive ends. I didn't really consider him a superstar when he was with the Raps either. An elite player, but not a superstar.