Watching LeBron and Wade dominate together got me thinking...

[russwest0]

Why didn't Magic and Bird do this "team up" thing?

[Tmuston Beltics]

Bird didn't want aids

[tmacattack33]

Magic already had this guy called Kareem Abdul Jabar on his team. He was an actor in the movie Airplane..and he also played basketball on the side.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Why didn't Magic and Bird do this "team up" thing?
Word. Who wouldn't want to leave KAJ?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Bird should have left Parrish and McHale in search of better teammates.

Parrish and McHale are comparable to Varejao/Williams right?

[edrick]

Celtics went to 4 straight Finals, Bird's teammates were clearly shit.

[russwest0]

Dude McHale/Parrish wouldn't do shit vs a Magic/Bird lakers squad. Just stop brah, you're embarrassing yourself.

Shit, maybe Kareem could join on the party too. We'd call them "The Big 3" :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[BlackVVaves]

Bird should have left Parrish and McHale in search of better teammates.

Parrish and McHale are comparable to Varejao/Williams right?

:roll: :applause:

[DaSeba5]

Bird should have left Parrish and McHale in search of better teammates.

Parrish and McHale are comparable to Varejao/Williams right?

http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/images/ether.jpg

[J Shuttlesworth]

Dude McHale/Parrish wouldn't do shit vs a Magic/Bird lakers squad. Just stop brah, you're embarrassing yourself.

Shit, maybe Kareem could join on the party too. We'd call them "The Big 3" :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Ok... Wade/Bosh wouldn't do shit against a LeBron/Durant/Howard squad.... stop embarrassing yourself brah. Your meltdown is enjoyable though

[aburre21]

Kareem is ranked higher on the all time greats list than Bird. Why would he leave a 6 time champion and the greatest center of all time for Larry Bird? Makes no sense :facepalm

[russwest0]

Ok... Wade/Bosh wouldn't do shit against a LeBron/Durant/Howard squad

lol no shit, the problem is Durant wouldn't team up with his #1 competitor

[FKAri]

Magic already had this guy called Kareem Abdul Jabar on his team. He was an actor in the movie Airplane..and he also played basketball on the side.

Oh word? That's the black guy in Game of Death right? Im sure the NBA brought him in as a freak show cuz of his size to wow the fans.

[JohnFreeman]

Bird should have left Parrish and McHale in search of better teammates.

Parrish and McHale are comparable to Varejao/Williams right?
:lol

[russwest0]

Kareem is ranked higher on the all time greats list than Bird. Why would he leave a 6 time champion and the greatest center of all time for Larry Bird? Makes no sense :facepalm

Who says he has to leave?

They'd be "The Big 3" and this would eliminate the Celtics from the question. The Lakers would win it all every single year bro. Magic and Bird wouldn't have to split rings.

The point forward
The wing
The big

:bowdown:

[Nash]

Watching LeBron and Wade dominate together got me thinking...


why can't durant and westbrook do the same?

[J Shuttlesworth]

lol no shit, the problem is Durant wouldn't team up with his #1 competitor
And Magic didn't need to, because he was already teamed up w/ one of the GOAT candidates :facepalm You can't be this stupid, can you?

Be honest... Durant on that Cavs team would've been knocked out by scrubs in the east.

[Keno]

lmao russwest exposing his lack of basketball knowledge. you seriously can't be this dumb.

[Keno]

lol no shit, the problem is Durant wouldn't team up with his #1 competitor

#1 competitor since when? lebron never played wade or bosh in the playoffs...ever.

[russwest0]

Tell me again how a Magic/Bird/Kareem squad doesn't win 7+ rings.

Magic, Bird, and Kareem could all be 1a, 1b, and 1c on the alltime lists

[J Shuttlesworth]

#1 competitor since when? lebron never played wade or bosh in the playoffs...ever.
Damn russwest calling Wade/Bosh Lebron's #1 competitors? He's admitting that Durant is 4th place in the league at best :rockon:

[aburre21]

Who says he has to leave?

They'd be "The Big 3" and this would eliminate the Celtics from the question. The Lakers would win it all every single year bro. Magic and Bird wouldn't have to split rings.

The point forward
The wing
The big

:bowdown:

he had James Worthy as a wing :facepalm



do you not know basketball history?

[poido123]

Bird should have left Parrish and McHale in search of better teammates.

Parrish and McHale are comparable to Varejao/Williams right?


No, but leaving on a broken promise and building a superteam because you can't raise your game and compete is bitchmade.

[AintNoSunshine]

Dude McHale/Parrish wouldn't do shit vs a Magic/Bird lakers squad. Just stop brah, you're embarrassing yourself.

Shit, maybe Kareem could join on the party too. We'd call them "The Big 3" :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

Tell me again how a Magic/Bird/Kareem squad doesn't win 7+ rings.

Magic, Bird, and Kareem could all be 1a, 1b, and 1c on the alltime lists
They were on great teams, winning chips. Do you think LeBron would've left the Cav's if he had someone like KAJ or McHale on his team?

[russwest0]

he had James Worthy as a wing :facepalm



do you not know basketball history?

And the Heat have Ray Allen but who would you rather have? Ray Allen or Dwyane Wade.

SHIT, WHY NOT BOTH :lol :lol :lol :lol

[aj1987]

No, but leaving on a broken promise and building a superteam because you can't raise your game and compete is bitchmade.
Whining and complaining about the Heat/LeBron is bitchmade.

[poido123]

Tell me again how a Magic/Bird/Kareem squad doesn't win 7+ rings.

Magic, Bird, and Kareem could all be 1a, 1b, and 1c on the alltime lists


Heat fans will always fall on the "look at Lebron's teammates with the Cavs" to justify Lebron bitching out.

[poido123]

Whining and complaining about the Heat/LeBron is bitchmade.


That doesn't answer what I said.

Try again.

[Keno]

Tell me again how a Magic/Bird/Kareem squad doesn't win 7+ rings.

Magic, Bird, and Kareem could all be 1a, 1b, and 1c on the alltime lists

lmao are you seriously trying to compare magic/bird/kareem to wade/lebron/bosh? :roll: i'm in tears right now. dumbest poster of all time.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Heat fans will always fall on the "look at Lebron's teammates with the Cavs" to justify Lebron bitching out.
I mean shit... how is that not a good reason to leave a team? On top of that, he had Mike Brown as a coach, and the GM/owner are shit. You saw Dan Gilbert's letter after LeBron left... that just shows the immaturity of the organization he was dealing with.

[FLDFSU]

#1 competitor since when? lebron never played wade or bosh in the playoffs...ever.

Exactly. Lebron's competitors are Boston, Washington, Detroit, and Chicago.

Bosh, Wade, and James are not rivals.

[Hey Yo]

No such thing as free agency until summer of 1988.

[aj1987]

Heat fans will always fall on the "look at Lebron's teammates with the Cavs" to justify Lebron bitching out.
How retarded are you, pedo? Even MJ wouldn't have won shit with those Cav's teams. I mean, the dude averaged 38/8/8 on 60% TS and his team still lost.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

the meltdown is for real :applause:

[Straight_Ballin]

I mean shit... how is that not a good reason to leave a team? On top of that, he had Mike Brown as a coach, and the GM/owner are shit. You saw Dan Gilbert's letter after LeBron left... that just shows the immaturity of the organization he was dealing with.

It is a good reason to leave a team but don't turn from an alpha with the world in your hands into a little beta bitch and team up with the #2 and #9 scoring leaders and lose to Jason Terry to become the laughingstock of the league! :lol

Go to a team that has a better coach and a better GM/owner but don't conspire with other players at the end of the season to form a stacked team and wonder why you are no longer worthy of respect by any educated NBA fan.

It's not about hate, or about Kobe, or about Jordan. It's just simply "witnessing" what was the biggest bitch move by any top player in the history of the game and calling it for what it is and nothing more.

It's not a hard concept to grasp.... it really isn't.

[poido123]

I mean shit... how is that not a good reason to leave a team? On top of that, he had Mike Brown as a coach, and the GM/owner are shit. You saw Dan Gilbert's letter after LeBron left... that just shows the immaturity of the organization he was dealing with.


Then why make the promise if you can't fulfil it?

Lebron was the one who ran the Cavs team. He had full power to run the plays, Mike Brown pretty much took a back seat to Lebron. Lebron also gave his blessing to certain trades and was actively recruiting players to come play for the cavs?

I don't see how the Cavs could of done anymore than they could to try and please him.

Lebron just got fed up of the pressure to lead the team and left. He wanted it easier in another location.

Look at the arrogance that came out when he joined wade and bosh. "It's gonna be easy", "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4" crap. That doesn't show a GOAT competitive attitude.

[Nuff Said]

Because they were winning rings right out the gate with stacked teams???

[poido123]

How retarded are you, pedo? Even MJ wouldn't have won shit with those Cav's teams. I mean, the dude averaged 38/8/8 on 60% TS and his team still lost.


MJ could definately of won the title with that team. The cavs went deep into the playoffs on a few occasions and made the finals during Jame's tenure. No way Jordan wets the bed and not show up in those finals.

[Rose'sACL]

No, but leaving on a broken promise and building a superteam because you can't raise your game and compete is bitchmade.
and yet you promised to leave this forum last year and are still here. that is not even close to as tough as winning an NBA championship and yet you failed.

MJ could definately of won the title with that team. The cavs went deep into the playoffs and made 2 finals during Jame's tenure. No way Jordan wets the bed and not show up in either of those finals.
lol.

[aj1987]

MJ could definately of won the title with that team. The cavs went deep into the playoffs and made the finals during Jame's tenure. No way Jordan wets the bed and not show up in those finals.
Cool story, pedo. You can stop breathing now.

[Mr. Incredible]

Then why make the promise if you can't fulfil it?

Lebron was the one who ran the Cavs team. He had full power to run the plays, Mike Brown pretty much took a back seat to Lebron. Lebron also gave his blessing to certain trades and was actively recruiting players to come play for the cavs?

I don't see how the Cavs could of done anymore than they could to try and please him.

Lebron just got fed up of the pressure to lead the team and left. He wanted it easier in another location.

Look at the arrogance that came out when he joined wade and bosh. "It's gonna be easy", "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4" crap. That doesn't show a GOAT competitive attitude.you sound really upset. :cry: :rant

cheer up bro!

[moe94]

MJ could definately of won the title with that team. The cavs went deep into the playoffs on a few occasions and made the finals during Jame's tenure. No way Jordan wets the bed and not show up in those finals.
:roll:

[poido123]

you sound really upset. :cry: :rant

cheer up bro!


Ignorance is bliss, your leader taught you that :oldlol:

[Warfan]

MJ could definately of won the title with that team. The cavs went deep into the playoffs on a few occasions and made the finals during Jame's tenure. No way Jordan wets the bed and not show up in those finals.

Maybe he would, but are you not of the mindset that lebron isn't close to mike and jordan is a much better player? So why are comparing them to show lebron shouldn't have left?

And the only year mike could win was in 2010, and it wouldn't be easy at all considering the supporting cast.

[Straight_Ballin]

MJ could definately of won the title with that team. The cavs went deep into the playoffs on a few occasions and made the finals during Jame's tenure. No way Jordan wets the bed and not show up in those finals.

Well no shit. You are comparing the GOAT MJ to a flopping beta that had to collude because he couldn't handle the pressure. Is this even debatable?

Well I gues it is for someone who started watching the NBA in 2011 and doesn't know shit....

[J Shuttlesworth]

Then why make the promise if you can't fulfil it?

Lebron was the one who ran the Cavs team. He had full power to run the plays, Mike Brown pretty much took a back seat to Lebron. Lebron also gave his blessing to certain trades and was actively recruiting players to come play for the cavs?

A player shouldn't have to run the ****ing team :lol All time greats like Jordan/Shaq had Phil Jackson to do that. He may have had some say in trades, but nobody wants to live in Cleveland... even Bosh didn't.


I don't see how the Cavs could of done anymore than they could to try and please him

Lebron just got fed up of the pressure to lead the team and left. He wanted it easier in another location.
Nobody could win a ring with that Cavs team/organization. They didn't make any moves AT ALL during the pre-decision time. They weren't able to get Bosh, or anyone. Nobody wanted to go there. Let's face it. If he stayed in Cleveland, you all would be giving him shit for being ringless. Now that he has 2 FMVPs, you all are rustled as hell.


Look at the arrogance that came out when he joined wade and bosh. "It's gonna be easy", "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4" crap. That doesn't show a GOAT competitive attitude.
It's called confidence. Let's face it. If kobe was saying that shit, you guys would be saying "HES ALPHA. Bran would never have the balls to say this"

[poido123]

Maybe he would, but are you not of the mindset that lebron isn't close to mike and jordan is a much better player? So why are comparing them to show lebron shouldn't have left?

And the only year mike could win was in 2010, and it wouldn't be easy at all considering the supporting cast.


One of the biggest reasons I dislike Lebron and the Heat.

Then all the arrogant and distasteful claims of dominance, when he turned his back on an unfulfilled promise.

[Mr. Incredible]

Ignorance is bliss, your leader taught you that :oldlol:
El Oh El. you're so corny dude :sleeping

[poido123]

A player shouldn't have to run the ****ing team :lol All time greats like Jordan/Shaq had Phil Jackson to do that. He may have had some say in trades, but nobody wants to live in Cleveland... even Bosh didn't.


Nobody could win a ring with that Cavs team/organization. They didn't make any moves AT ALL during the pre-decision time. They weren't able to get Bosh, or anyone. Nobody wanted to go there. Let's face it. If he stayed in Cleveland, you all would be giving him shit for being ringless. Now that he has 2 FMVPs, you all are rustled as hell.


It's called confidence. Let's face it. If kobe was saying that shit, you guys would be saying "HES ALPHA. Bran would never have the balls to say this"

I think Jordan could of won 1 title with that team. But LJ is no Jordan.

People wouldn't shit on Lebron for being ringless, in fact he would have significantly less haters.

[mehyaM24]

i can understand why some of you find their arrogance distasteful or whatever, but hating because miami has a "stacked" team? why are magic,bird and jordan celebrated for playing on "stacked" teams?

[russwest0]

I like how the Cavs squad had a very good frontline of Varejao, Big Z, Gooden, had a DECENT 2nd option in prime Mo Williams, had an excellent defensive wing in Larry Hughes, were so good that even Danny Green couldn't make the roster, yet...

"zOMG, worst supporting cast of all time! they lost to the Celtics not cause Bran choked but because zOMG worst supporting cast of all time!"

[stalkerforlife]

Maybe Jordan should've quit on the bulls and joined the bad boys? Maybe the Celtics? Maybe the Lakers? Maybe the Jazz?

Oops...

True alphas don't leave their own team to chase rings in their prime on the backs of other hall of famers.

[russwest0]

i can understand why some of you find their arrogance distasteful or whatever, but hating because they got a "stacked" team? why are magic,bird and jordan celebrated for playing on "stacked" teams?

gee i wonder, which teams drafted those guys?

in other news, dwyane wade.... :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Mr. Incredible]

One of the biggest reasons I dislike Lebron and the Heat.

Then all the arrogant and distasteful claims of dominance, when he turned his back on an unfulfilled promise.
You whine like a ten year old girl. Get over it.

[Mr. Incredible]

Lot's of :cry: ITT.

Feels Good Man. :pimp:

[mehyaM24]

gee i wonder, which teams drafted those guys?

in other news, dwyane wade.... :applause: :applause: :applause:

you do realize these guys played with other HOFers....right? :oldlol:

[Mr. Incredible]

I think Jordan could of won 1 title with that team. But LJ is no Jordan.

People wouldn't shit on Lebron for being ringless, in fact he would have significantly less haters.
They did for seven years. :facepalm

[J Shuttlesworth]

I think Jordan could of won 1 title with that team. But LJ is no Jordan.

People wouldn't shit on Lebron for being ringless, in fact he would have significantly less haters.
I'm sure LeBron would rather be ringless than hated :facepalm Plus the public hate has died down a LOT. Sure there are some neckbeards on forums who cut themselves everytime he wins a game, but his public image is a LOT better than it used to be... especially since he won 2 rings.

I don't think Jordan could have won a ring with that team. I don't see him beating the West competitor in the finals. It's really a one man team w/ that squad.

[stalkerforlife]

I like how the Cavs squad had a very good frontline of Varejao, Big Z, Gooden, had a DECENT 2nd option in prime Mo Williams, had an excellent defensive wing in Larry Hughes, were so good that even Danny Green couldn't make the roster, yet...

"zOMG, worst supporting cast of all time! they lost to the Celtics not cause Bran choked but because zOMG worst supporting cast of all time!"

Lmao...great point.

Danny green damn near won a finals MVP last year but he wasn't good enough for LeStackMEPLease.

[poido123]

i can understand why some of you find their arrogance distasteful or whatever, but hating because miami has a "stacked" team? why are magic,bird and jordan celebrated for playing on "stacked" teams?


This needs to be clarified.

The Miami heat operated within the rules of free agency and assembled a team legally. No question.

Did they do it knowingly that they were manipulating the system and purposely taking a paycut in their primes no less? YES.

There's one thing guys getting together at the back end of their career to win titles, but there's another thing doing it in your prime as the best player in the world.

The "its gonna be easy", "not 1, not 2 not 3 not 4" statements should tell you that. It was bitchmade and they knew it.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I like how the Cavs squad had a very good frontline of Varejao, Big Z, Gooden, had a DECENT 2nd option in prime Mo Williams, had an excellent defensive wing in Larry Hughes, were so good that even Danny Green couldn't make the roster, yet...

"zOMG, worst supporting cast of all time! they lost to the Celtics not cause Bran choked but because zOMG worst supporting cast of all time!"
What was their record when Bron left?

[russwest0]

What was their record when Bron left?

What?

They were a completely different roster without LeBron, what does that ha....

Oh wait, retarded LeBron stan trying to use a completely different scenario to prove some sort of point. Look kids! Watch it in it's natural habitat!

:lol

[poido123]

What was their record when Bron left?


Was the team exactly the same?

Don't you think the team's success was exaggerated by how the players fit around Lebron? No Lebron, and those players strengths don't carry the team.

You can say the same for just about any star player.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Was the team exactly the same?

Don't you think the team's success was exaggerated by how the players fit around Lebron? No Lebron, and those players strengths don't carry the team.

You can say the same for just about any star player.
When you see a franchise completely go downhill after 1 player leaves, you know that player was the only reason they were a contender... and you guys can't call them a real contender anyway since they were in the East, the conference which you always call weak. I just don't see how you can say that going to Miami was a bad idea when he's a 2x FMVP and likely going to the finals for the fourth time in a row. There's no way that could have happened in Cleveland. Nobody wanted to go to Cleveland, but look at how attractive Miami has been to free agents since Bron joined.

Hell... the big 3 heat is the only reason why there is an actual contender in the east. If he never joined, or went to the West, the eastern playoffs would be absolutely pathetic and the finals would always be a sweep for the west.

[Warfan]

I like how the Cavs squad had a very good frontline of Varejao, Big Z, Gooden, had a DECENT 2nd option in prime Mo Williams, had an excellent defensive wing in Larry Hughes, were so good that even Danny Green couldn't make the roster, yet...

"zOMG, worst supporting cast of all time! they lost to the Celtics not cause Bran choked but because zOMG worst supporting cast of all time!"

Dude, ancient shaq was arguably the 2nd best player in the boston/cavs series. Mo was getting lit up by ray and rondo. Kg worked over Jamison. Mo consistently underperformed in the postseason. Varejao was playing like 20 mins/game averaging something like 6/6. Big Z was a year away from retirement and avg 1.7 ppg in the 2010 playoffs.

Nothing to brag about at all...

[russwest0]

Oh shit, don't even remind me that they have HOF'er Shaq and borderline HOF'er Antwan Jamison as well.

**** man, why do people piss and moan as if he was with a bunch of d-leaguers out there.

Mo Williams had two seasons of 17/6/4 before ever playing with LeBron, was an all star with the Cavs, and people look back as if he was some horrible scrub who was only in the NBA because of LeBron.

Shit is sad.

[poido123]

When you see a franchise completely go downhill after 1 player leaves, you know that player was the only reason they were a contender... and you guys can't call them a real contender anyway since they were in the East, the conference which you always call weak. I just don't see how you can say that going to Miami was a bad idea when he's a 2x FMVP and likely going to the finals for the fourth time in a row. There's no way that could have happened in Cleveland. Nobody wanted to go to Cleveland, but look at how attractive Miami has been to free agents since Bron joined.


Of course. Lebron was the main reason they sucked when he left. Same thing if Jordan was in Lebron's position.

Sure, he got the success and accomplishments that he wanted. How much does he feel he went through to get it? He might of gained the success, but he knew he took a shortcut to get it and he won't get the same feeling as others who have done it harder.

The last part isn't true, they ventured to south beach because of the big 3. Every player in the league knew the big 3 were gonna win titles and an easy ticket to a title.

[poido123]

Oh shit, don't even remind me that they have HOF'er Shaq and borderline HOF'er Antwan Jamison as well.

**** man, why do people piss and moan as if he was with a bunch of d-leaguers out there.

Mo Williams had two seasons of 17/6/4 before ever playing with LeBron, was an all star with the Cavs, and people look back as if he was some horrible scrub who was only in the NBA because of LeBron.

Shit is sad.


Guys that he signed off to join the Cavs no less.

He got what he wanted in Cleveland and they would of bent over backwards to please him, which they did on countless occasions.

[LeBron 06]

Oh shit, don't even remind me that they have HOF'er Shaq and borderline HOF'er Antwan Jamison as well.

**** man, why do people piss and moan as if he was with a bunch of d-leaguers out there.

Mo Williams had two seasons of 17/6/4 before ever playing with LeBron, was an all star with the Cavs, and people look back as if he was some horrible scrub who was only in the NBA because of LeBron.

Shit is sad.



:facepalm


and

2009:66-16
2010:61-21
2011:19-63


What a great team!!!!!!

[Warfan]

Oh shit, don't even remind me that they have HOF'er Shaq and borderline HOF'er Antwan Jamison as well.

**** man, why do people piss and moan as if he was with a bunch of d-leaguers out there.

Mo Williams had two seasons of 17/6/4 before ever playing with LeBron, was an all star with the Cavs, and people look back as if he was some horrible scrub who was only in the NBA because of LeBron.

Shit is sad.

:lol believe whatever u want bro. I don't even like bron but that supporting cast wasn't good at all and potato head was/is garbage.

[poido123]

:lol believe whatever u want bro. I don't even like bron but that supporting cast wasn't good at all and potato head was/is garbage.


Lebron had the power to change coach, change players, change everything.

If he had a problem with potato head, he could get him fired.

Lebron was recruiting and signing off on players to join the cavs, what makes you think he was powerless to anything?

He left the cavs, because he didn't have the guts to bring them a title at all costs which he promised and scooted off for an easier pasture.

[Kingwillball]

Bird didn't want aids


Nah he only had Hall of Famers and all stars all around him his whole career. :hammerhead:

[LeBron 06]

And in 2008,the cavs was 0-7 without LeBron...They were so awful in offense without James

[Kingwillball]

Oh shit, don't even remind me that they have HOF'er Shaq and borderline HOF'er Antwan Jamison as well.

**** man, why do people piss and moan as if he was with a bunch of d-leaguers out there.

Mo Williams had two seasons of 17/6/4 before ever playing with LeBron, was an all star with the Cavs, and people look back as if he was some horrible scrub who was only in the NBA because of LeBron.

Shit is sad.


Washed up ShaQ and Washed up Jamison don't count.. Lebron played with much worse team that KD has had.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Lebron had the power to change coach, change players, change everything.

If he had a problem with potato head, he could get him fired.

Lebron was recruiting and signing off on players to join the cavs, what makes you think he was powerless to anything?

He left the cavs, because he didn't have the guts to bring them a title at all costs which he promised and scooted off for an easier pasture.
It goes beyond the players and coach. The entire Cavs organization is incompetent. The letter than Dan Gilbert sent out should show you the lack of professionalism that he was dealing with. If you don't see how players would be more drawn to a place like South Beach over Cleveland, I feel bad for you. Bosh had been offered to go there before the Heat, and he declined because Cleveland is a shitty area. I haven't even mentioned Mike Brown yet, who got fired because he couldn't get wins w/ Kobe/Dwight/Gasol/Nash

[poido123]

Washed up ShaQ and Washed up Jamison don't count.. Lebron played with much worse team that KD has had.


Lebron approved both trades, he had an active hand in Cavs movements.

[Kingwillball]

Lebron approved both trades, he had an active hand in Cavs movements.


Cavs could only do so much not like they were getting another superstar in his prime to come he had to take what he could get. Lebron CARRIED average teams on his back for years deep in Playoffs.

[poido123]

It goes beyond the players and coach. The entire Cavs organization is incompetent. The letter than Dan Gilbert sent out should show you the lack of professionalism that he was dealing with. If you don't see how players would be more drawn to a place like South Beach over Cleveland, I feel bad for you. Bosh had been offered to go there before the Heat, and he declined because Cleveland is a shitty area. I haven't even mentioned Mike Brown yet, who got fired because he couldn't get wins w/ Kobe/Dwight/Gasol/Nash


A normal reaction to losing a franchise player, who left with no good reason.

If Shaq was prepared to go to Cavs, other players in the league would of joined Bron.

A chance to play with the best player in the league? I'd say at least 20% of the stars in the league would agree to play with Lebron, even if it was Cleveland. I doubt any player would say no to being trade there. No as a free agent? Yes, that's possible, but not a trade.

[LeBron 06]

Dan Gilbert is even worse than I thought if it is true that it was LeBron who decided on the player personnel

A player should never take decisions on player personnel

[poido123]

Dan Gilbert is even worse than I thought if it is true that it was LeBron who decided on the player personnel

A player should never take decisions on player personnel


Again, how does this support the case that Lebron had no power over his future?

It doesn't.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Lebron approved both trades, he had an active hand in Cavs movements.
This is more shit that a player shouldn't have to worry about. Look at Tim Duncan... you think he has to worry about who the Spurs management is trading for? Hell no, he has absolute faith in that team. Same w/ the Thunder. Their management is great at trades/signs. The Cavs... are not a great organization. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that...

[FLDFSU]

:facepalm



and

2009:66-16
2010:61-21
2011:19-63


What a great team!!!!!!

I read a stat that the Cavs have won exactly the same about of games post-Lebron as the Heat won with Lebron in just the first season.

How pathetic can you get Cleveland?

[Rake2204]

:facepalm


and

2009:66-16
2010:61-21
2011:19-63


What a great team!!!!!!Your post motivated me to go take a look at that 2011 team really quickly. I do not recall much about their season. For starters, I think it's quite safe to assume they were going to take a huge hit by losing one of the greatest NBA players of all-time. I think the loss of James would be akin to the Spurs of the mid-90's losing David Robinson, which actually happened (though I believe James is better than Robinson). The result (also thanks to a few other Spurs injuries as well) was a perennial playoff contender turning into 20 game winners (hence, Tim Duncan being drafted by a good Spurs club in '97). Taking away a star is really going to mess things up.

But anyhow, that aside, it looks like Cleveland struggled through heavy injuries in 2011. They started 3-3, had an awful middle of the season, and ended slightly less bad. Amongst those key guys from the year before, here's a run down on their games played in '11:

Antawn Jamison - 56 games
Mo Williams - 36 games
Anderson Varejao - 21 games
Baron Davis (new) - 15 games
Jamario Moon - 40 games

Further, the Cavs lost the following players due to free agency:

LeBron James
Shaquille O'Neal
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Delonte West

Again, I do not recall the '11 Cavs season at all, so I struggle to remember what the story was with all those missed games from Jamison, Williams and company. But when you consider four very key players left (including the greatest player of this era) while five other key players played a combined 168 games, that is probably the most pungent recipe for disaster we've seen in the new millennium. James was the biggest reason for their legendary spike in losses, but it wasn't as if it was the same roster (minus James) left behind. Nearly their entire team was injured for over half the year or had left prior to when the '11 season began in the first place.

Other than that, this is probably about as much as I wish to get involved in this particular convo (though I imagine it will be tough not to get reeled back in).

[J Shuttlesworth]

Again, how does this support the case that Lebron had no power over his future?

It doesn't.
Who is denying he had power over his future? He obviously did, and he went ot the Heat with that power. 2 FMVPs later, it's hard to say he made the wrong choice. In the end, people will remember the rings

[FLDFSU]

Lebron had the power to change coach, change players, change everything.

If he had a problem with potato head, he could get him fired.

Lebron was recruiting and signing off on players to join the cavs, what makes you think he was powerless to anything?

He left the cavs, because he didn't have the guts to bring them a title at all costs which he promised and scooted off for an easier pasture.

Maybe that is the problem right there?

Why is a 22 year old Lebron "running" the team?

You think Riley letting Wade run his team?

That alone should tell you how pathetic the Cavs are...letting a 20-something year old basketball player make personnel decisions. What the hell you paying a GM and Head Coach for?

[plowking]

Why are other teams fans so hurt over Lebron promising a championship to Cleveland? Is everyone on here a Cavs fan?

Secondly, why does everyone ignore the fact that Magic said he wouldn't come out of college unless he played with Kareem? How is this any different to anything Bron did?

[poido123]

This is more shit that a player shouldn't have to worry about. Look at Tim Duncan... you think he has to worry about who the Spurs management is trading for? Hell no, he has absolute faith in that team. Same w/ the Thunder. Their management is great at trades/signs. The Cavs... are not a great organization. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that...


But this is the thing.

Lebron WANTED to be apart of the trading process for the team. He wanted to ensure that his future was good, so he recruited/approved players he wanted on his team.

The Bulls weren't a great organisation when Jordan rocked up. He was carrying scrubs for a few years, until Pippen and Grant matured into better players, and they eventually signed a great coach in PJ.

Jordan spent his first few years struggling before his team was good enough to compete for titles.

[poido123]

Why are other teams fans so hurt over Lebron promising a championship to Cleveland? Is everyone on here a Cavs fan?

Secondly, why does everyone ignore the fact that Magic said he wouldn't come out of college unless he played with Kareem? How is this any different to anything Bron did?


Are you justifying another man's actions for your own player?

[plowking]

Again, how does this support the case that Lebron had no power over his future?

It doesn't.

You know Jordan pleaded Rodman to come to the Bulls after they got their ass handed to them by the Magic? :oldlol:

Collusion. No one respects the way that Bulls team came together.

[plowking]

Are you justifying another man's actions for your own player?

I'm not justifying anything. I believe the players should be able to do what they like, as they are allowed to, by the rules.

It's funny seeing the giant double standards though. You in particular.

[J Shuttlesworth]

But this is the thing.

Lebron WANTED to be apart of the trading process for the team. He wanted to ensure that his future was good, so he recruited/approved players he wanted on his team.

The Bulls weren't a great organisation when Jordan rocked up. He was carrying scrubs for a few years, until Pippen and Grant matured into better players, and they eventually signed a great coach in PJ.

Jordan spent his first few years struggling before his team was good enough to compete for titles.
I doubt he had as much control as you think, and i doubt they had as many possibilities as you think. People weren't lining up to play for Cleveland like you insist. And the Bulls weren't shit until Pippen joined, you're right... but who on the Cavs was remotely close to Pippen? Pippen is an all time great.

The Bulls were actually a pretty smart organization. They made a lot of great signs like getting Kukoc. Also had some other great pick ups like Kerr, Rodman, etc... Jordan's supporting casts were infinitely greater than the one LeBron had in Cleveland... even when he was playing w/ Bill Cartwright

[Rake2204]

In the end, people will remember the ringsI think it'll be interesting to see how history treats that aspect of his career over the long term. I have an inkling there will be one thing that will absolutely undeniable about LeBron James: he is one of the single greatest basketball players in NBA history, and it was extremely apparent well before he arrived in Miami. I cannot see that not being the general consensus.

Regarding the rings though, I really wonder. I feel as though there may always be a significant faction who see his championships in a different light. Perhaps it'll be similar to how some treat some of Kobe Bryant's championships. To many, it's just, "Kobe! 5 rings baby!" To others, it's a little more like, "Kobe! Incredible player! Played very well alongside repeat NBA Finals MVP and dominant force Shaquille O'Neal then eventually branched out, played on some bad teams then won again after receiving a gift-wrapped Pau Gasol!"

Just the same, I truly do think there will be some folks who will attempt to simplify James' career by just referring to the number of rings he won. But I also feel there will be a camp who will always be the type to say, "LeBron! Three time champion baby! But only after he created a super team out of his Dream Team friends and the best three point shooter of all-time!" To which someone would then say, "Yeah, but either way, he's still one of the greatest, most exceptional players in NBA history", to which everyone would agree.

[FLDFSU]

Dan Gilbert is even worse than I thought if it is true that it was LeBron who decided on the player personnel

A player should never take decisions on player personnel


:applause:

[poido123]

You know Jordan pleaded Rodman to come to the Bulls after they got their ass handed to them by the Magic? :oldlol:

Collusion. No one respects the way that Bulls team came together.


Pleaded? Can you show me where he pleaded rodman to play with him?:oldlol:

What actually happened was, the Bulls needed to replace Horace grant who had gone to the Magic, so they traded off Will Purdue and cash, to get Rodman to fill the void. They were taking a huge risk trading for Rodman, who was considered a headcase at the time.

The year in which Magic beat the bulls in the playoffs, jordan had no offseason and was clearly rusty. With a full offseason, Jordan and the Bulls SWEPT the magic the next season and proved it was a fluke.

[poido123]

I doubt he had as much control as you think, and i doubt they had as many possibilities as you think. People weren't lining up to play for Cleveland like you insist. And the Bulls weren't shit until Pippen joined, you're right... but who on the Cavs was remotely close to Pippen? Pippen is an all time great.

The Bulls were actually a pretty smart organization. They made a lot of great signs like getting Kukoc. Also had some other great pick ups like Kerr, Rodman, etc... Jordan's supporting casts were infinitely greater than the one LeBron had in Cleveland... even when he was playing w/ Bill Cartwright


That's the thing, those recruits came a bit later. I'm talking about the very start of Jordan's career.

[poido123]

I doubt he had as much control as you think, and i doubt they had as many possibilities as you think. People weren't lining up to play for Cleveland like you insist. And the Bulls weren't shit until Pippen joined, you're right... but who on the Cavs was remotely close to Pippen? Pippen is an all time great.

The Bulls were actually a pretty smart organization. They made a lot of great signs like getting Kukoc. Also had some other great pick ups like Kerr, Rodman, etc... Jordan's supporting casts were infinitely greater than the one LeBron had in Cleveland... even when he was playing w/ Bill Cartwright


..

[Rose'sACL]

Pleaded? Can you show me where he pleaded rodman to play with him?:oldlol:

What actually happened was, the Bulls needed to replace Horace grant who had gone to the Magic, so they traded off Will Purdue and cash, to get Rodman to fill the void. They were taking a huge risk trading for Rodman, who was considered a headcase at the time.

The year in which Magic beat the bulls in the playoffs, jordan had no offseason and was clearly rusty. With a full offseason, Jordan and the Bulls SWEPT the magic the next season and proved it was a fluke.
why should you not believe him? you want us to believe that lebron was the GM of the cavs.

[livinglegend]

MJ could definately of won the title with that team. The cavs went deep into the playoffs on a few occasions and made the finals during Jame's tenure. No way Jordan wets the bed and not show up in those finals.

Hypothetical.

Truth:
When Lebron left, Cavs went from 61 wins to 19 wins.
When Jordan left, Bulls won 55 games.
Lebron impact > Jordan impact

[livinglegend]

Maybe Jordan should've quit on the bulls and joined the bad boys? Maybe the Celtics? Maybe the Lakers? Maybe the Jazz?

Oops...

True alphas don't leave their own team to chase rings in their prime on the backs of other hall of famers.

Why would he leave his young stacked team to play with old Pistons or old Celtics or old Lakers? :facepalm His team won 55 games without him. What else do you want? Cavs won 19 games without Lebron.

[plowking]

Pleaded? Can you show me where he pleaded rodman to play with him?:oldlol:

What actually happened was, the Bulls needed to replace Horace grant who had gone to the Magic, so they traded off Will Purdue and cash, to get Rodman to fill the void. They were taking a huge risk trading for Rodman, who was considered a headcase at the time.

The year in which Magic beat the bulls in the playoffs, jordan had no offseason and was clearly rusty. With a full offseason, Jordan and the Bulls SWEPT the magic the next season and proved it was a fluke.

They had the greatest rebounder of all time. The best perimeter defender of all time in Pippen. The most efficient 3 point shooter ever in Steve Kerr.

You seriously don't get how good Jordan's team was, do you? :oldlol:
Then you had Toni Kukoc coming off the damn bench.

You're acting as if Bron was signing off on some big name players in Cleveland. No one wanted to play there. He got his pickings out of the players no one wanted. You're acting as if he had a choice between Deron Williams or Mo Williams, and he ended up going with Mo. No big star wanted to play in Cleveland.

[livinglegend]

Why didn't Magic and Bird do this "team up" thing?

because Kareem > Bird

[poido123]

They had the greatest rebounder of all time. The best perimeter defender of all time in Pippen. The most efficient 3 point shooter ever in Steve Kerr.

You seriously don't get how good Jordan's team was, do you? :oldlol:
Then you had Toni Kukoc coming off the damn bench.

You're acting as if Bron was signing off on some big name players in Cleveland. No one wanted to play there. He got his pickings out of the players no one wanted. You're acting as if he had a choice between Deron Williams or Mo Williams, and he ended up going with Mo. No big star wanted to play in Cleveland.


Who's arguing against that Plowking? I don't dispute that the Bulls had a really good team on the second 3 peat. We were talking about the early days, when Pippen was a nobody in his first few years and Jordan had little to no supporting cast. to expect Jordan to be dominating before his prime with no significant help is absurd.

do you know for a fact that nobody wanted to play for the Cavs?

What's logical, is that players would want to play WITH THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. I've already stated that its plausible that free agents would turn down Cleveland as a destination, but to be traded there? I think not.

[Rake2204]

Hypothetical.

Truth:
When Lebron left, Cavs went from 61 wins to 19 wins.
When Jordan left, Bulls won 55 games.
Lebron impact > Jordan impactI think that '94 Bulls team greatly benefited from retaining their core. Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, and Cartwright while adding the likes of Toni Kukoc and Steve Kerr. All those fellers stayed healthy and tried to do what they could, which was a fair amount.

Conversely, that Cavaliers team in 2011 had lost the following players:

LeBron James
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Antawn Jamison
Delonte West

And of the players who stuck around, here's how many games they played in '11:

Antawn Jamison - 56 games
Mo Williams - 36 games
Anderson Varejao - 31 games
Jamario Moon - 40 games
Baron Davis (new) - 15 games

Basically, altogether, that '11 Cavs team lost eight of their nine rotation players from the year before, either due to injury or free agency. It'd be like that '94 Bulls team losing Grant, Paxson, MJ and Armstrong. Then Scottie only playing 36 games, and Kukoc playing 31, and that'd still fall short of Cleveland's full team dilapidation.

Point being, it's tough to just look at before & after standings numbers. Though, losing one of the game's all-time greatest players is never a good thing (in MJ and LBJ's case).

[J Shuttlesworth]

That's the thing, those recruits came a bit later. I'm talking about the very start of Jordan's career.
Jordan played for 3 years w/ the Bulls before he got Pippen. He was a 16/7/5 player w/ solid defense by his 3rd year in the league. LeBron gave them 7 years and only came up short despite putting up godly numbers. The problem wasn't w/ him, it was the organization. At best, they were an finals team but were no where near talented enough to beat a team in the West.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Poido, I would see your point if LeBron left after like 3 years... but he spent 7 years on that team and did more to that franchise than they ever dreamed of. They never got a solid #2 or #3 option that fit well w/ LeBron's play style or talented enough for that matter.

[poido123]

why should you not believe him? you want us to believe that lebron was the GM of the cavs.


He was.

He signed off on Shaq, Hughes and Jamison

[plowking]

Who's arguing against that Plowking? I don't dispute that the Bulls had a really good team on the second 3 peat. We were talking about the early days, when Pippen was a nobody in his first few years and Jordan had little to no supporting cast. to expect Jordan to be dominating before his prime with no significant help is absurd.

do you know for a fact that nobody wanted to play for the Cavs?

What's logical, is that players would want to play WITH THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. I've already stated that its plausible that free agents would turn down Cleveland as a destination, but to be traded there? I think not.

There is no point in trading for a player that won't sign on for another contract.

In 7 years in Cleveland, the best player the Cavs got for Lebron to play with was Mo freaking Williams. Let that sink in. That's all the info you need on players wanting to be in Cleveland or not, if that is the best player they could get.

[J Shuttlesworth]

He was.

He signed off on Shaq, Hughes and Jamison
A great player is better off w/ an organization who knows what they're doing... and not having to command that organization. Even though you're exaggerating LeBron's "executive" duties, Jordan/Shaq/Duncan/Bird/Magic didn't have to worry about that because they had great organizations/cities that attracted great players to them whether or not they developed their game there, or went as a free agent.

[poido123]

Jordan played for 3 years w/ the Bulls before he got Pippen. He was a 16/7/5 player w/ solid defense by his 3rd year in the league. LeBron gave them 7 years and only came up short despite putting up godly numbers. The problem wasn't w/ him, it was the organization. At best, they were an finals team but were no where near talented enough to beat a team in the West.

But that's what I was trying to say. Jordan didn't have Pippen "the all-star" from the get go, it took Jordan 5 to 6 years before the Pippen/Jordan combo really started to take shape.

[poido123]

There is no point in trading for a player that won't sign on for another contract.

In 7 years in Cleveland, the best player the Cavs got for Lebron to play with was Mo freaking Williams. Let that sink in. That's all the info you need on players wanting to be in Cleveland or not, if that is the best player they could get.

They had shaq, they had zydrunas, they had Varajeo, they had some other decent role players.

If his supporting cast was so bad, how did he have such successful seasons going 60+ wins? If you want to credit lebron for those seasons, well then you have to admit that his supporting cast wasn't that bad either.

I haven't even mentioned that he reached the finals and deep into playoffs with these supposedly "scrub teammates".

[J Shuttlesworth]

But that's what I was trying to say. Jordan didn't have Pippen "the all-star" from the get go, it took Jordan 5 to 6 years before the Pippen/Jordan combo really started to take shape.
5-6 years, exactly.

LeBron gave the Cavs 7 YEARS. The best result they had was making it to the finals in a weak conference and getting swept. I'm not sure why a player w/ all the "Ring or bust" pressure on him is supposed to stay w/ that team if 7 years didn't produce anything.

[poido123]

Poido, I would see your point if LeBron left after like 3 years... but he spent 7 years on that team and did more to that franchise than they ever dreamed of. They never got a solid #2 or #3 option that fit well w/ LeBron's play style or talented enough for that matter.


But was that the true story?

Do you think if Lebron had no significant help, that his teams would struggle to make playoffs? and most certainly never reach the finals?

They regularly made the playoffs and they went deep into the playoffs on a few occasions.

[J Shuttlesworth]

They had shaq, they had zydrunas, they had Varajeo, they had some other decent role players.

If his supporting cast was so bad, how did he have such successful seasons going 60+ wins? If you want to credit lebron for those seasons, well then you have to admit that his supporting cast wasn't that bad either.

I haven't even mentioned that he reached the finals and deep into playoffs with these supposedly "scrub teammates".
Aren't you the same guy constantly bitching about the weak east? And now you're acting like making the finals in that conference is an accomplishment? Pick a side and stick to it. Look man when you compare Zydrunas, Varejao, and washed up Shaq to players like Pippen, Rodman, Kerr... or even Parker, Ginobli, Leonard, or even Ibaka, Westbrook, Harden, or even KG, Allen, Rondo... you realize that they're not great. You can't tell me you'd take old Shaq, Big Z, and Varejao over any of the other casts I just mentioned. You need a great cast to be compared w/ the greats.

[J Shuttlesworth]

But was that the true story?

Do you think if Lebron had no significant help, that his teams would struggle to make playoffs? and most certainly never reach the finals?

They regularly made the playoffs and they went deep into the playoffs on a few occasions.
Look they're not D-Leaguers, but that's not a contending supporting cast. That Cavs team probably would miss the playoffs in the West this year.

[poido123]

5-6 years, exactly.

LeBron gave the Cavs 7 YEARS. The best result they had was making it to the finals in a weak conference and getting swept. I'm not sure why a player w/ all the "Ring or bust" pressure on him is supposed to stay w/ that team if 7 years didn't produce anything.


Listen, I'd like to turn the hate switch off and just accept what you guys are saying, I really would.

The "its gonna be easy", "check my stats", "not1, not 2, not 3, not 4" stuff and the flopping really makes it hard to let it all go and just appreciate him.

He represents a lot of things, that my idol never was or never did.

Maybe I hold him to standards that aren't fair, maybe today's nba player just isn't my cup of tea, but I don't want to see the NBA go down the toilet either by jeopardising the game I grew up watching.

The attitude and the money in the NBA, has changed so much from only 20 years ago.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Listen, I'd like to turn the hate switch off and just accept what you guys are saying, I really would.

The "its gonna be easy", "check my stats", "not1, not 2, not 3, not 4" stuff and the flopping really makes it hard to let it all go and just appreciate him.

He represents a lot of things, that my idol never was or never did.

Maybe I hold him to standards that aren't fair, maybe today's nba player just isn't my cup of tea, but I don't want to see the NBA go down the toilet either by jeopardising the game I grew up watching.

The attitude and the money in the NBA, has changed so much from only 20 years ago.
Look bro. I don't like the fact he said "It's gonna be easy" or "not 1, not 2, not 3, etc..."

It sounds like you are more upset over that stuff than the fact that he left the team. You probably hate the WAY he did it, more than the fact that he did. I can agree with that. I though the ESPN special was a stupid idea. In the end, that's just publicity shit. I could hate on a lot of players for the way they handled themselves in public.. think Jordan and his gambling issues, and Kobe w/ his scandal and ego/throwing shaq under the bus, or Iverson and his lack of respect for practice... There's a lot of bullshit that superstars do when they have that ego/fame. In the end, we're basketball fans though. LeBron is obviously an all time great, and if you can't appreciate him because you're stuck on the way he handled himself, your'e missing out... especially since he has clearly become humbled since then. 2011 did a number on him, but it ended up being the best thing for his growth/maturity as a person. You have to remember this guy was called "The Chosen One" and "The Next Jordan" since high school days.

[poido123]

Look bro. I don't like the fact he said "It's gonna be easy" or "not 1, not 2, not 3, etc..."

It sounds like you are more upset over that stuff than the fact that he left the team. You probably hate the WAY he did it, more than the fact that he did. I can agree with that. I though the ESPN special was a stupid idea. In the end, that's just publicity shit. I could hate on a lot of players for the way they handled themselves in public.. think Jordan and his gambling issues, and Kobe w/ his scandal and ego/throwing shaq under the bus, or Iverson and his lack of respect for practice... There's a lot of bullshit that superstars do when they have that ego/fame. In the end, we're basketball fans though. LeBron is obviously an all time great, and if you can't appreciate him because you're stuck on the way he handled himself, your'e missing out... especially since he has clearly become humbled since then. 2011 did a number on him, but it ended up being the best thing for his growth/maturity as a person. You have to remember this guy was called "The Chosen One" and "The Next Jordan" since high school days.


He's got the tattoo to prove it :lol


Listen, this is a deep dislike for the heat/miami i have had for 3 years now. It doesn't help that you guys are direct rivals to my favourite team either :lol


But what I will do is, I will tone it right down. I think I've been hating on the Heat/Lebron for long enough.


As far as the ref influence in games? I still believe that wholeheartedly. Guys implicated for cheating back in 2002, are still reffing games now.

But anyways, if heat fans can forgive my incessant criticism of Heat/Lebron, I'll make an effort to stop criticising and try and get along with the fans here.

[Leftimage]

russwest's meltdown continues... Sad as **** tbh. Poor dude thought KD and RW had all-time great potential !

[J Shuttlesworth]

He's got the tattoo to prove it :lol


Listen, this is a deep dislike for the heat/miami i have had for 3 years now. It doesn't help that you guys are direct rivals to my favourite team either :lol


But what I will do is, I will tone it right down. I think I've been hating on the Heat/Lebron for long enough.


As far as the ref influence in games? I still believe that wholeheartedly. Guys implicated for cheating back in 2002, are still reffing games now.

But anyways, if heat fans can forgive my incessant criticism of Heat/Lebron, I'll make an effort to stop criticising and try and get along with the fans here.
Good shit. I mean it's fun to troll and all (although maybe you don't troll) and talk shit on a player like LeBron, but I hope when someone is that good you can take the time to appreciate their greatness. I hate on KD on here all the time (mostly trolling aside from a few legit criticisms) but I still watch every Thunder playoff game and all the big regular season games because I don't want to miss out on a great player like that. Same w/ Kobe. I ALWAYS hated him, but always watched him play because he was great, and I didn't want to miss out on a part of NBA history.

[#number6ix#]

Poido keeps harping on the "it's gonna be easy" statement when LeBron said we are gonna be going at each other so hard in practice when it comes time to play in a actual game it's gonna be easy... What's the problem with this statement

[Straight_Ballin]

5-6 years, exactly.

LeBron gave the Cavs 7 YEARS. The best result they had was making it to the finals in a weak conference and getting swept. I'm not sure why a player w/ all the "Ring or bust" pressure on him is supposed to stay w/ that team if 7 years didn't produce anything.

You can blame that on Danny Ferry. The guy was a moron. The type that would trade in a used car on a new car and then allow the salesman to talk him into buying the used car that he just traded in at a higher price.

[poido123]

Good shit. I mean it's fun to troll and all (although maybe you don't troll) and talk shit on a player like LeBron, but I hope when someone is that good you can take the time to appreciate their greatness. I hate on KD on here all the time (mostly trolling aside from a few legit criticisms) but I still watch every Thunder playoff game and all the big regular season games because I don't want to miss out on a great player like that. Same w/ Kobe. I ALWAYS hated him, but always watched him play because he was great, and I didn't want to miss out on a part of NBA history.


:cheers:

KD is a disappointment, I don't even think he's a legitimate rival to Lebron.

Maybe in regular season awards, but not in game play.

[poido123]

You can blame that on Danny Ferry. The guy was a moron. The type that would trade in a used car on a new car and then allow the salesman to talk him into buying the used car that he just traded in at a higher price.


:oldlol:

[poido123]

Poido keeps harping on the "it's gonna be easy" statement when LeBron said we are gonna be going at each other so hard in practice when it comes time to play in a actual game it's gonna be easy... What's the problem with this statement


There have been other statements he made, but again, I'm over it.

I've been talking about the same damn things for too long.

[J Shuttlesworth]

:cheers:

KD is a disappointment, I don't even think he's a legitimate rival to Lebron.

Maybe in regular season awards, but not in game play.
KD has plenty of time to grow. That's part of the thrill of watching him... to visually watch him either become a great or a bust in front of our eyes :lol

[poido123]

KD has plenty of time to grow. That's part of the thrill of watching him... to visually watch him either become a great or a bust in front of our eyes :lol


I think some of the young centres in our game are more capable of greatness.

Drummond and Davis intrigue me..

[Straight_Ballin]

I'm honestly more pissed that the NBA wasted 7 years of Lebron's prime years by not giving him the same shot that Jordan had.

I mean, you have to REALLY piss a guy off to make him want to conspire to team with the #2 and #9 best scorers in the game at the time.

I'm sure Bron was not happy with the GM for this massive fail despite his public statement:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1848196

It would have been good to see how that would have panned out but I think the thing that pisses me off the most is that Bron won't stand up for the integrity of the league and make a press announcement that he supports suspensions if players continued to flop. I mean, what is Silver going to do? He'd have no choice and we would get to see more quality games.

I think that if he were to do that, he would get a majority of respect from NBA fans that are not vocal about their true feelings toward him. I know he likes to flop himself, but as a leader you need to be the voice of the NBA and do what is right.

I mean damn, Jordan flat out told the commish that he would not wear the "short shorts" any longer.

[plowking]

Poido keeps harping on the "it's gonna be easy" statement when LeBron said we are gonna be going at each other so hard in practice when it comes time to play in a actual game it's gonna be easy... What's the problem with this statement

People don't want to admit what the root of their actual hate is. No one really has a problem with Lebron saying that, or saying he is going to bring championships to Cleveland, etc.

The only problem was, that he didn't join their team with their team superstar. That is it. The whole problem lies that a great team was formed, and it wasn't in their city, or for their team.

[poido123]

People don't want to admit what the root of their actual hate is. No one really has a problem with Lebron saying that, or saying he is going to bring championships to Cleveland, etc.

The only problem was, that he didn't join their team with their team superstar. That is it. The whole problem lies that a great team was formed, and it wasn't in their city, or for their team.


That might be true for some people.

But that wasn't what is was for me.

I call a truce Plowking, I no longer want to talk about, argue anything Heat/Lebron related.

I'll even say you were right about everything, I don't care anymore.

I'm over it.

[Straight_Ballin]

People don't want to admit what the root of their actual hate is. No one really has a problem with Lebron saying that, or saying he is going to bring championships to Cleveland, etc.

The only problem was, that he didn't join their team with their team superstar. That is it. The whole problem lies that a great team was formed, and it wasn't in their city, or for their team.

Huh? Joining a team that has a superstar already is completely different than conspiring with #2 and #9 in the post season. No one would be hating on Bron if he simply joined another team that had a superstar that wasn't the 2nd best player at that time.

[Simple Jack]

Were people really mentioning Shaq as if he was still some sort of dominant player when he joined the Cavs?

The team was horribly untalented when compared to other teams to win at the rate they did. Coupled with the fact that when injuries occurred (to those not named LeBron James) the team continued to win (I believe 12-0 without Mo) at an unbelievable rate; it should be pretty evident. No one on that Cavalier team is worth noting.

People seem to be unable to comprehend the difference between chemistry (which the Cavs had), and talent (which the Cavs were severely lacking).

[Bigsmoke]

That's the thing, those recruits came a bit later. I'm talking about the very start of Jordan's career.

Stop posting garbage.

[Dresta]

Another retarded thread spawned be a seriously deranged individual.

[dunksby]

Whining about the Decision in 2014 should warrant a week long ban.