Why can't people appreciate greatness?

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron just had a 26/5/7/4 game on 9-14 shooting while providing fantastic defense and people still hate and say he was carried?

Shaq had Kobe
Jordan had Pippen
Magic had Kareem and vice versa
Bird had McHale

Some people here are just coming off as ignorant bitter fools who can't appreciate anything. That is all.

[SavageMode]

LeBron just had a 26/5/7/4 game on 9-14 shooting while providing fantastic defense and people still hate and say he was carried?

Shaq had Kobe
Jordan had Pippen
Magic had Kareem and vice versa
Bird had McHale

Some people here are just coming off as ignorant bitter fools who can't appreciate anything. That is all.

Just the usual butthurts: russwest, Mr. jabbar, etc./alts

[J Shuttlesworth]

Agreed, and it wasn't even a spectacular game for James... that's just how great he is. Wade too was playing great.

[livinglegend]

:applause: :applause:

[livinglegend]

Agreed, and it wasn't even a spectacular game for James... that's just how great he is. Wade too was playing great.

If you look at the stats, no, but if you looked at the game, yes it was. His defense was incredible.

[Paul George 24]

LeBron just had a 26/5/7/4 game on 9-14 shooting while providing fantastic defense and people still hate and say he was carried?

Shaq had Kobe
Jordan had Pippen
Magic had Kareem and vice versa
Bird had McHale

Some people here are just coming off as ignorant bitter fools who can't appreciate anything. That is all.

he carried by ray & wade :banana:

[PickernRoller]

Just the usual butthurts: russwest, Mr. jabbar, etc./alts

B1tch you're an alt. STFU.

[truhooper]

You should know trolls gonna troll :facepalm

[Straight_Ballin]

LeBron just had a 26/5/7/4 game on 9-14 shooting while providing fantastic defense and people still hate and say he was carried?

Shaq had Kobe
Jordan had Pippen
Magic had Kareem and vice versa
Bird had McHale

Some people here are just coming off as ignorant bitter fools who can't appreciate anything. That is all.

And for 7 years Bron had Hughes or Mo Williams. How fvcking dumb do you have to be to not know how to protect your investment by surrounding him with another superstar? :confusedshrug:

[DaSeba5]

If you've been on here long enough, you should know who to take serious. The mods can't ban people here.

[edrick]

It's just the usual immature folks, russ, etc.

[t-rex]

King James is the greatest small forward in NBA history.

[J Shuttlesworth]

If you look at the stats, no, but if you looked at the game, yes it was. His defense was incredible.
His defense was great, no doubt. I just wish he didn't commit so many turnovers and the first quarter wouldn't have seemed like such a blunder. Good recovery by the Heat though

[Meticode]

LeBron just had a 26/5/7/4 game on 9-14 shooting while providing fantastic defense and people still hate and say he was carried?

Shaq had Kobe
Jordan had Pippen
Magic had Kareem and vice versa
Bird had McHale

Some people here are just coming off as ignorant bitter fools who can't appreciate anything. That is all.
Because people don't care, they want to hate just to hate. And not to mention all the trolls.

[Keno]

lakers fan saying this? wow. thought i'd never see the day. respect.:cheers:

[VengefulAngel]

LeBron just had a 26/5/7/4 game on 9-14 shooting while providing fantastic defense and people still hate and say he was carried?

Shaq had Kobe
Jordan had Pippen
Magic had Kareem and vice versa
Bird had McHale

Some people here are just coming off as ignorant bitter fools who can't appreciate anything. That is all.

Great Post.:applause: :applause:

[Inferno]

Because people are insecure

[sick_brah07]

because a vast majority of posters here have never played a high level of basketball and do not understand how hard it would be to do what lebron does night in and night out

lebron is the great small forward ever full stop

[Straight_Ballin]

Because people don't care, they want to hate just to hate. And not to mention all the trolls.

Weren't you the guy who use to always praise Danny Ferry's decisions on who to surround Bron with? :lol How did that turn out for ya?

People aren't hating, they are just stating that a guy who is guilty of collusion and is highly disrespected for it isn't doing it all himself.

[16X]

I don't know. Maybe they're just insecure morons? Wade playing great doesn't make Lebron any less great himself.

[pauk]

LeBron just had a 26/5/7/4 game on 9-14 shooting while providing fantastic defense and people still hate and say he was carried?

Shaq had Kobe
Jordan had Pippen
Magic had Kareem and vice versa
Bird had McHale

Some people here are just coming off as ignorant bitter fools who can't appreciate anything. That is all.

Dont mind the Kobetards... its just them really...

Why cant there be more Laker fans here like 1987. :mad:

[livinglegend]

His defense was great, no doubt. I just wish he didn't commit so many turnovers and the first quarter wouldn't have seemed like such a blunder. Good recovery by the Heat though

Yeah, i agree with the TO part. Some of his turnovers were just dumb.

[zoom17]

LeBron just had a 26/5/7/4 game on 9-14 shooting while providing fantastic defense and people still hate and say he was carried?

Shaq had Kobe
Jordan had Pippen
Magic had Kareem and vice versa
Bird had McHale

Some people here are just coming off as ignorant bitter fools who can't appreciate anything. That is all.

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[IllegalD]

Is this really a question? What the hell do you expect?

When Kobe was in his prime, doing his thing, and winning rings all you saw on this board were posts finding any little thing to nitpick his accomplishments/greatness. Hell, it STILL happens, and dude isn't even playing, and way past his prime.

Most of the people that hated on Kobe back then naturally became LeBron fans. And now it's their boys turn to take a whipping.

So everything that was said to discredit Kobe when he was winning championships can be applied to LeBron almost 10-fold.

[Straight_Ballin]

A sad NBA era when people corrolate floppers guilty of collusion with "greatness". :facepalm

Wilt rolling in his grave right now.

This has nothing to do with Kobe, Jordan, or anyone else.

It's one man who colluded and is flopping like everyone else instead of being a leader rather than a beta follower who goes with the flow.

[nathanjizzle]

he played his heart out. however, if we were talking about someone like kobe who played his heart out, kobe would have 45 and 7.

[16X]

A sad NBA era when people corrolate floppers guilty of collusion with "greatness". :facepalm

Wilt rolling in his grave right now.
Flopping doesn't make a player any less talented :facepalm If Jordan flopped as much as Lebron would he therefore not be a great basketball player?

[Tmuston Beltics]

he played his heart out. however, if we were talking about someone like kobe who played his heart out, kobe would have 45 and 7.

Yeah 45 attempted shots and 7 turnovers

[edrick]

His defense was great, no doubt. I just wish he didn't commit so many turnovers and the first quarter wouldn't have seemed like such a blunder. Good recovery by the Heat though

For some reason he tends to turn the ball over less, if he's running the point.

[Keno]

he played his heart out. however, if we were talking about someone like kobe who played his heart out, kobe would have 45 and 7.


Yeah 45 attempted shots and 7 turnovers

don't forget...in a losing effort.

[Im so nba'd out]

because jabbar/russwest are insecure about their small p.enis....there i said it

[IllegalD]

I take back my original post. I was merely trying to be diplomatic. Here are the reasons why LeBron's greatness isn't appreciated:

1) Had to collude with 2 other all-stars in order to finally win his first ring (one of which was a Finals MVP winner already, and the 3rd greatest SG of all time). The other (Bosh) a third option that is as good or better than most people's 2nd options.

2) He needed no less than 3 other HOF's (Wade, Bosh, Jesus) in order to win his 2nd one, and have a shot at a threepeat.

3) He plays in a historically shitty Leastern Conference where he basically goes unchallenged every playoffs until reaching the Finals (where the opposition has had to go through a much tougher West while the Heat get to cakewalk to the finals). And he has only beaten like four 50+ win teams along the way.

4) Because he is doing this in the softest era in NBA history, where the rules favor players penetrating to the basket and any ticky-tack, touch foul is an immediate trip to the FT line (rules that make it even easier for LeBron to score/penetrate than it already is for him)

5) Because he has had great fortune with key all-stars on opposing teams that could've stopped his fickle championship run injured (Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, Al Jefferson, Brooke Lopez, Danny Granger, Kobe, Ibaka)

6) Because he needed THE GREATEST SHOT IN NBA FINALS HISTORY by Ray "Jesus Shuttlesworth" Allen in order to save his legacy and not have a 1-3 record in the finals.

7) Because he still might end-up with a Jerry West-esque losing Finals record (especially if he loses again against the Spurs) even though he has had the easiest path paved in gold to a threepeat (and some would argue 4-peat) than any other GOAT candidate in NBA history.

8) Because his retarded stans are running rampant now and trying to shove down our throats how he is on his way to being "unanimous GOAT", even though there are other players (Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe) that are clearly as good if not better legacy-wise than LeBron and have better records in the finals.

9) Because he plays in a weaksauce era with no real competition. Jordan dominated the Golden Era of Centers/Bigmen. Shaq/Kobe/Duncan played in an era with each other as competition (3 Top 10 players in one era). Bird/Magic played against each other in the golden era of bball and multiple superstacked teams. Meanwhile LeBron's best competition is...a 25-year old BETA in Durant, and a geriatric Spurs team who's transcendent player (Duncan) is nearing 40.

It's not about not appreciating greatness. LeBron is one of the all-time greats. Definitely a Top 10 player of all time. If he wins more rings he might end up Top 5 all time. But all these things examined in context sort of dilute the value of the his greatness and championship runs (relative to other all time greats)

[zoom17]

I take back my original post. I was merely trying to be diplomatic. Here are the reasons why LeBron's greatness isn't appreciated:

1) Had to collude with 2 other all-stars in order to finally win his first ring (one of which was a Finals MVP winner already, and the 3rd greatest SG of all time). The other (Bosh) a third option that is as good or better than most people's 2nd options.

2) He needed no less than 3 other HOF's (Wade, Bosh, Jesus) in order to win his 2nd one, and have a shot at a threepeat.

3) He plays in a historically shitty Leastern Conference where he basically goes unchallenged every playoffs until reaching the Finals (where the opposition has had to go through a much tougher West while the Heat get to cakewalk to the finals). And he has only beaten like four 50+ win teams along the way.

4) Because he is doing this in the softest era in NBA history, where the rules favor players penetrating to the basket and any ticky-tack, touch foul is an immediate trip to the FT line (rules that make it even easier for LeBron to score/penetrate than it already is for him)

5) Because he has had great fortune with key all-stars on opposing teams that could've stopped his fickle championship run injured (Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, Al Jefferson, Brooke Lopez, Danny Granger, Kobe, Ibaka)

6) Because he needed THE GREATEST SHOT IN NBA FINALS HISTORY by Ray "Jesus Shuttlesworth" Allen in order to save his legacy and not have a 1-3 record in the finals.

7) Because he still might end-up with a Jerry West-esque losing Finals record (especially if he loses again against the Spurs) even though he has had the easiest path paved in gold to a threepeat (and some would argue 4-peat) than any other GOAT candidate in NBA history.

8) Because his retarded stans are running rampant now and trying to shove down our throats how he is on his way to being "unanimous GOAT", even though there are other players (Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe) that are clearly as good if not better legacy-wise than LeBron and have better records in the finals.

9) Because he plays in a weaksauce era with no real competition. Jordan dominated the Golden Era of Centers/Bigmen. Shaq/Kobe/Duncan played in an era with each other as competition (3 Top 10 players in one era). Bird/Magic played against each other in the golden era of bball and multiple superstacked teams. Meanwhile LeBron's best competition is...a 25-year old BETA in Durant, and a geriatric Spurs team who's transcendent player (Duncan) is nearing 40.

It's not about not appreciating greatness. LeBron is one of the all-time greats. Definitely a Top 10 player of all time. If he wins more rings he might end up Top 5 all time. But all these things examined in context sort of dilute the value of the his greatness and championship runs (relative to other all time greats)


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[IllegalD]

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[IllegalD]

I almost forgot:

10) Because in his prime, with 2 other all-stars in their prime, no injuries, and no excuses, he is single-handedly responsible for the BIGGEST UPSET IN NBA FINALS HISTORY. Losing to a one-superstar team in the Mavs, and having one of the biggest (maybe the biggest?) PPG dropoff from regular season to NBA finals. Disappearing in a fashion that no other GOAT candidate really has, while his supposed "sidekick" was carrying the team and on his way to a legacy-altering Finals MVP.

[Im so nba'd out]

I take back my original post. I was merely trying to be diplomatic. Here are the reasons why LeBron's greatness isn't appreciated:

1) Had to collude with 2 other all-stars in order to finally win his first ring (one of which was a Finals MVP winner already, and the 3rd greatest SG of all time). The other (Bosh) a third option that is as good or better than most people's 2nd options.

2) He needed no less than 3 other HOF's (Wade, Bosh, Jesus) in order to win his 2nd one, and have a shot at a threepeat.

3) He plays in a historically shitty Leastern Conference where he basically goes unchallenged every playoffs until reaching the Finals (where the opposition has had to go through a much tougher West while the Heat get to cakewalk to the finals). And he has only beaten like four 50+ win teams along the way.

4) Because he is doing this in the softest era in NBA history, where the rules favor players penetrating to the basket and any ticky-tack, touch foul is an immediate trip to the FT line (rules that make it even easier for LeBron to score/penetrate than it already is for him)

5) Because he has had great fortune with key all-stars on opposing teams that could've stopped his fickle championship run injured (Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, Al Jefferson, Brooke Lopez, Danny Granger, Kobe, Ibaka)

6) Because he needed THE GREATEST SHOT IN NBA FINALS HISTORY by Ray "Jesus Shuttlesworth" Allen in order to save his legacy and not have a 1-3 record in the finals.

7) Because he still might end-up with a Jerry West-esque losing Finals record (especially if he loses again against the Spurs) even though he has had the easiest path paved in gold to a threepeat (and some would argue 4-peat) than any other GOAT candidate in NBA history.

8) Because his retarded stans are running rampant now and trying to shove down our throats how he is on his way to being "unanimous GOAT", even though there are other players (Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe) that are clearly as good if not better legacy-wise than LeBron and have better records in the finals.

9) Because he plays in a weaksauce era with no real competition. Jordan dominated the Golden Era of Centers/Bigmen. Shaq/Kobe/Duncan played in an era with each other as competition (3 Top 10 players in one era). Bird/Magic played against each other in the golden era of bball and multiple superstacked teams. Meanwhile LeBron's best competition is...a 25-year old BETA in Durant, and a geriatric Spurs team who's transcendent player (Duncan) is nearing 40.

It's not about not appreciating greatness. LeBron is one of the all-time greats. Definitely a Top 10 player of all time. If he wins more rings he might end up Top 5 all time. But all these things examined in context sort of dilute the value of the his greatness and championship runs (relative to other all time greats)
why does he have to play with larry hughes and moe williams his whole career?

[IllegalD]

why does he have to play with larry hughes and moe williams his whole career?

Nobody says he has to. But he also doesn't have to play with 3 other HOFs, 2 of which proved capable of carrying teams to the playoffs on their own (and in Wade's case, a championship).

It's more stacked than other #2 and #3 options that other players that LeBron is compared to had.

Pippen, Gasol, McHale couldn't carry a team to a championship like Wade, and those are Jordan's, Kobe's, Bird's 2nd options respectively.

Horrace Grant, Odom, Parish couldn't carry a team to the playoffs as the main guy like Bosh did in Toronto. And those are Jordan, Kobe, Bird's 3rd options respectively.

[Relinquish]

because jabbar/russwest are insecure about their small p.enis....there i said it

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[Im so nba'd out]

All great players played with another hall of famer why are you mad when he teams up with 1.Ray allen came to the heat after lebron was there he didnt sigh with the heat knowing ray allen was going to be on the team.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Nobody says he has to. But he also doesn't have to play with 3 other HOFs, 2 of which proved capable of carrying teams to the playoffs on their own (and in Wade's case, a championship).

It's more stacked than other #2 and #3 options that other players that LeBron is compared to had.

Pippen, Gasol, McHale couldn't carry a team to a championship like Wade, and those are Jordan's, Kobe's, Bird's 2nd options respectively.

Horrace Grant, Odom, Parish couldn't carry a team to the playoffs as the main guy like Bosh did in Toronto. And those are Jordan, Kobe, Bird's 3rd options respectively.
Dis nikka acting like current Wade could lead his team to a championship :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Nobody says he has to. But he also doesn't have to play with 3 other HOFs, 2 of which proved capable of carrying teams to the playoffs on their own (and in Wade's case, a championship).

It's more stacked than other #2 and #3 options that other players that LeBron is compared to had.

Pippen, Gasol, McHale couldn't carry a team to a championship like Wade, and those are Jordan's, Kobe's, Bird's 2nd options respectively.

Horrace Grant, Odom, Parish couldn't carry a team to the playoffs as the main guy like Bosh did in Toronto. And those are Jordan, Kobe, Bird's 3rd options respectively.

/thread

[IllegalD]

Dis nikka acting like current Wade could lead his team to a championship :roll:


Still a better 2nd option than Gasol/Pippen/McHale. :lol

[Brokenbeat]

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You know you did though. :no: :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Still a better 2nd option than Gasol/Pippen/McHale. :lol
no

[iamgine]

9) Because he plays in a weaksauce era with no real competition. Jordan dominated the Golden Era of Centers/Bigmen. Shaq/Kobe/Duncan played in an era with each other as competition (3 Top 10 players in one era). Bird/Magic played against each other in the golden era of bball and multiple superstacked teams. Meanwhile LeBron's best competition is...a 25-year old BETA in Durant, and a geriatric Spurs team who's transcendent player (Duncan) is nearing 40.

Jordan - Not really. Those Centers/Bigmen's team talent were far below the Bulls' so it doesn't count.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Still a better 2nd option than Gasol/Pippen/McHale. :lol
Prime McHale was a 26/10 dude :facepalm Wade isn't currently as good as McHale, or Pippen for that mater, especially when you factor in that Wade missed 1/3 of the season.

[MVBallin2K]

I could never enjoy basketball the way some people do when they hate on another player just because they have a good performance and find a way to bash them despite that. I'm much like the OP in the fact that none of the "collusion" or flopping matter, when you can have a great game like this and have an impact on your team winning.

The closest I've come to bashing a player is James Harden and even then, if he has a good game then I respect that even if I don't like the way he plays. I have no reason to be bitter to player or a fanbase or troll to get my jollies. I enjoy basketball for basketball, not to hate on a player that can care less if I do or don't. If you have a hate rivalry in fun with a rival franchise, that's more than different but the way some people take basketball SO seriously on here makes me wonder how they can even take any joy in it at all when things don't go their way.

[Straight_Ballin]

I could never enjoy basketball the way some people do when they hate on another player just because they have a good performance and find a way to bash them despite that. I'm much like the OP in the fact that none of the "collusion" or flopping matter, when you can have a great game like this and have an impact on your team winning.

The closest I've come to bashing a player is James Harden and even then, if he has a good game then I respect that even if I don't like the way he plays. I have no reason to be bitter to player or a fanbase or troll to get my jollies. I enjoy basketball for basketball, not to hate on a player that can care less if I do or don't. If you have a hate rivalry in fun with a rival franchise, that's more than different but the way some people take basketball SO seriously on here makes me wonder how they can even take any joy in it at all when things don't go their way.

How many era's of the NBA have you been a witness to out of curiosity? Have you ever seen a past era where there wasn't any flopping? If not, then you wouldn't understand peoples viewpoint on flopping and colluding.

[Legends66NBA7]

Low-key agenda thread.

Carry on, though.

[MVBallin2K]

How many era's of the NBA have you been a witness to out of curiosity? Have you ever seen a past era where there wasn't any flopping? If not, then you wouldn't understand peoples viewpoint on flopping and colluding.

A casual fan in the 90's and more hardcore within the 2000's up until now.

I more than get the mindset and the idea behind why it would ruin his legacy, but why do people care so much? It's the same logic I can't get with Kobe either. Why do people have to go out of their way to hate on someone when they have a good game? If it were game seven of the finals and this were happening then it'd make a lot more sense but it's game 3 of the ECF's.

Lebron James had a good game, it's not a shocking revelation or new news. Flopping or collusion has no real factor in this. It is what it is...when talking about his legacy is when those things DO come into play.