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Marlo_Stanfield
05-25-2014, 12:14 AM
it jsut doesnt make sense.
Chalmers is incredibly bad at playing PG. cant make the simplest passes, turns it over all the time and just doesnt create for anyone.
even Wade is better off the ball these days.
then everytime LeBron runs point the go on HUGE runs.
so why does Spoelstra ALWAYS lets Chalmers andWade run point in the beginning of games and uses LeBron off the ball?? makes no damn sense at all.
and btw LeBrons turnovers go down when he runs point:confusedshrug:

ImKobe
05-25-2014, 12:14 AM
Lebron is more efficient off ball

Im so nba'd out
05-25-2014, 12:22 AM
having your best scorer play pg doesn't work

Marlo_Stanfield
05-25-2014, 12:24 AM
having your best scorer play pg doesn't work
with LeBron it does. since hes also by far the best passer.
Russel Westbrook scores 33 a game on 55% vs the Clippers playing PG. it works in todays NBA

J Shuttlesworth
05-25-2014, 12:27 AM
Lots of energy consumed. He can only afford to do it in stretches

chocolatethunder
05-25-2014, 12:28 AM
it jsut doesnt make sense.
Chalmers is incredibly bad at playing PG. cant make the simplest passes, turns it over all the time and just doesnt create for anyone.
even Wade is better off the ball these days.
then everytime LeBron runs point the go on HUGE runs.
so why does Spoelstra ALWAYS lets Chalmers andWade run point in the beginning of games and uses LeBron off the ball?? makes no damn sense at all.
and btw LeBrons turnovers go down when he runs point:confusedshrug:

Chalmers is bad, he's just a little bit better than Lin.

Im so nba'd out
05-25-2014, 12:28 AM
with LeBron it does. since hes also by far the best passer.
Russel Westbrook scores 33 a game on 55% vs the Clippers playing PG. it works in todays NBA
im talking about winning championships and the day lebron moves to pg is the day the heat stop winning chips.Imo It doesn't work cept with the spurs 1 time ever getting lucky to play vs a awful cavs team in the finals.

tmacattack33
05-25-2014, 12:30 AM
He'd use up too much energy doing that.

Plus if he's not the one bringing the ball up, the pg can get him the ball where he wants it (mid post area seems to be great for him, and now he is good in the low post too) and that'll help him.

Also he does bring the ball up a lot even when Chalmers is in there so its just semantics for a large part.

Inactive
05-25-2014, 12:32 AM
You want him to bring the ball down, create every shot for his teammates, still score 27 ppg, then effectively guard anyone 1-4, plus play the passing lanes to create transition opportunities?

chocolatethunder
05-25-2014, 12:40 AM
Only a moron and Jeremy Lin fan could think that this would be a good idea. It makes no sense basketball wise. If you understood basketball you'd understand why it wouldn't work.

Im so nba'd out
05-25-2014, 12:41 AM
Only a moron and Jeremy Lin fan could think that this would be a good idea. It makes no sense basketball wise. If you understood basketball you'd understand why it wouldn't work.
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tmacattack33
05-25-2014, 12:43 AM
You want him to bring the ball down, create every shot for his teammates, still score 27 ppg, then effectively guard anyone 1-4, plus play the passing lanes to create transition opportunities?

Well he is our LeGawd

Marlo_Stanfield
05-25-2014, 12:44 AM
Who's gonna get it to him in the post consistently if he's got the ball all the time? :confusedshrug:
the problem is no one does that because its either not the gameplan or they arent able to do it.
he often has perfect position and the defense isnt set yet they look him off and swing it around or chalmers and cole just cant pass it to him there

Marlo_Stanfield
05-25-2014, 12:47 AM
i know it would better if the Heat had a PG that can initiate plays but they DONT. thats the thing.
Chalmers is probably the worst PG in the league int raditional PG skills and Cole isnt much better. both can attack the basket and hit threes but thats it.
Wade isnt all that great as PG too atm because his handles became really sloppy.
i would LOVE JAmes to get the ball every time hes in his sweet spots but that rarely happens.:confusedshrug:

ralph_i_el
05-25-2014, 01:11 AM
it jsut doesnt make sense.
Chalmers is incredibly bad at playing PG. cant make the simplest passes, turns it over all the time and just doesnt create for anyone.
even Wade is better off the ball these days.
then everytime LeBron runs point the go on HUGE runs.
so why does Spoelstra ALWAYS lets Chalmers andWade run point in the beginning of games and uses LeBron off the ball?? makes no damn sense at all.
and btw LeBrons turnovers go down when he runs point:confusedshrug:

burns you down. Lebron can do everything on the court....but no one can do everything for 38 minutes a game.

bizil
05-25-2014, 05:40 AM
First of all, let's make the proper distinction. If Bron was TRULY THE PG, the Heat would start this kind of lineup:

PG- Bron
SG- Wade
SF- Battier
PF- Bosh or Haslem
C- Bosh or Birdman

Now certainly, that lineup would get the job done for sure. However, who is gonna check those small quick PG's? Bron is such an explosive finisher that u want him running the wings and finishing the break. D-Wade can run the PG too, but once again u want him running the wing ofter as well too. Battier has no PG kind of capabilities at all. So Bron running this kind of spot all game (even though he could do it easy) could actually limit his effectiveness. Plus who's gonna guard those PG's like Parker, Westbrook, Paul, Rose, etc. Once again Bron and Wade can guard multiple positions. But who is gonna guard the high scoring SG's and SF's in the league. As great of a defender as Battier is, he's known for checking SG to PF.

Now if u put Bron in a primary ball handler role (at SF or PF) u can have your cake an eat it TOO:

PG- Chalmers
SG- Wade
SF- Bron or Battier
PF- Haslem or Bron
C- Bosh

In this scenario, u have more of natural PG (in terms of size and what's he's used to playing on both sides of the rock) in Chalmers who is used to guarding smaller PG's very good. Bron, Wade, and Battier EACH can guard a minimum of three positions very good to great. Bron can still be your primary playmaker and STILL feature a better defensive lineup. And Bron can be the ultimate matchup nightmare if he's at PF cause NO NATURAL PF wants to see Bron on the perimeter. If they switch the matchup, Bron is used to dominating SF's anyway and has EVERY EDGE in terms of strength, speed, handles, etc. AT PF Bron has every advantage pretty much EXCEPT strength at times. So sure Bron could play PG at will the whole game. But's he so damn versatile and explosive that u want him finishing plays and aggressive scoring as opposed to being a TRUE PG! He's already the primary ball handler most of the game anyway!

bizil
05-25-2014, 05:51 AM
Now once again, Bron could EASILY do that role. But the game is played on both sides of the floor. If have Chalmers, Wade, and Bron, u have three guys who can play like PG and initiate offense. If u have Bron at PG flat out, Wade, and Battier, u have two guys who can initiate offense. In either scenario, it would work GREAT! But the question was why doesn't Bron run PG full time! But the distinction must be made between PG and primary ball handler or point forward. They are kind of similar but yet different. Magic at PG was LEGIT on offense because he played with a natural SG in Scott and a natural SF in Worthy. Or Penny in Orlando played with a natural SG in Anderson and a true SF in Scott. Bron has done that for sure in his career. When he first got to Cleveland, he was THE PG and started alongside Ricky Davis at SG and Miles at SF.

Dresta
05-25-2014, 06:25 AM
Wade has been used as PG more often in this series, and that makes sense, considering you hardly want your most effective scorer bringing the ball up full court and switching the ball side-to-side. You want Bron catching the ball deep most of the time.

Nets fan 93
05-25-2014, 09:59 AM
i know it would better if the Heat had a PG that can initiate plays but they DONT. thats the thing.
Chalmers is probably the worst PG in the league int raditional PG skills and Cole isnt much better. both can attack the basket and hit threes but thats it.
Wade isnt all that great as PG too atm because his handles became really sloppy.
i would LOVE JAmes to get the ball every time hes in his sweet spots but that rarely happens.:confusedshrug:
Just because the Knicks didn't make the playoff doesn't mean you should forget that the Knicks currently have the worst pg in Raymond Felton