LeBron On the 80s Bulls.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Especially pre-Pippen. Is there any doubt LeBron could have done with those teams if you had replaced him with Jordan? They definitely win more games than the pathetic amount Jordan was able to muster before Pippen. LeBron simply elevates his teammates style of play. The best ever in NBA history at taking shit talent to deep playoffs runs. Jordan was just a scoring sideshow at that time. He will drop 50 points and watch his team still lose. LeBron simply would have done better. No doubt at all.

[Beastmode88]

I would love to see bran vs the bad boys.

[robert_shaww]

Especially pre-Pippen. Is there any doubt LeBron could have done with those teams if you had replaced him with Jordan? They definitely win more games than the pathetic amount Jordan was able to muster before Pippen. LeBron simply elevates his teammates style of play. The best ever in NBA history at taking shit talent to deep playoffs runs. Jordan was just a scoring sideshow at that time. He will drop 50 points and watch his team still lose. LeBron simply would have done better. No doubt at all.

:facepalm

[VIntageNOvel]

I would love to see bran vs the bad boys.

:roll:

stop it

dude got punked by white dude
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0110/nba_u_tele_600x400.jpg

[Nastradamus]

I 100% agree. In that wide open style, he would have went nuts. No defense back then other than hacking.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

this isnt even debatable

[dubeta]

Heck even if LeBron was drafted in the 90's, Bulls would probably trade prime Jordan in a heartbeat for him

[Beastmode88]

I 100% agree. In that wide open style, he would have went nuts. No defense back then other than hacking.

Did u just say no defense? There are literally no centers in the league anymore. Lolol my lord go watch some videos. Mj also had to deal with hand checking and everytime he drove to the basket he would get hit. Bran complained about hinrich fouling him cause he pulled him to the ground. The mailman would of knocked bran out with one elbow.

[Nastradamus]

Did u just say no defense? There are literally no centers in the league anymore. Lolol my lord go watch some videos. Mj also had to deal with hand checking and everytime he drove to the basket he would get hit. Bran complained about hinrich fouling him cause he pulled him to the ground. The mailman would of knocked bran out with one elbow.

Lol,scoring was at an all time high and has dropped off dramatically and teams shot like 5% better on about 10 more possessions.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

Hand checking wasn't a big deal because the offensive player could also slap the hand away legally. There was also no zone defense. There are less Cs in the league because they aren't as useful anymore. Phil Jackson laid out the blueprint on how to defend them, using team length to bother them while exploiting their slow feet defensively.

[bukowski81]

They would suck, Lebron makes his teammates really bad. He has made that Miami fans call a super stacked team the Miami Cavaliers.

[Marchesk]

What, is Lebron supposed to beat those stacked Celtics or Pistons teams? How is he going to handle the beating Rodman and Lambier lay on him, like they did Jordan?

[Straight_Ballin]

How is a man who needs Wade as a mental crutch and couldn't even handle dirk/Terry going to lead the 80's bulls farther than Jordan?

Thanks for the entertainment!

Jordan living in your mind rent free.

[LeBird]

Regardless of how you feel about their individual games...Lebron is far better at making his team play better. Jordan's Bulls were garbage until Grant and Pippen emerged. Lebron didn't even need that kind of help to get to the finals, let alone playoffs.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

What, is Lebron supposed to beat those stacked Celtics or Pistons teams? How is he going to handle the beating Rodman and Lambier lay on him, like they did Jordan?
he wouldnt lose16 in a row vs Bird like Jordan did at one point:roll: :roll: :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

he wouldnt lose16 in a row vs Bird like Jordan did at one point:roll: :roll: :roll:


This :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Fudge]

LeBron is only great with Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen, doe.

[SilkkTheShocker]

They would suck, Lebron makes his teammates really bad. He has made that Miami fans call a super stacked team the Miami Cavaliers.

13 Finals was almost a year ago. It's time to move on, son.

[Bandito]

The only thing Lebron elevates is Wade's **** when it goes into his butt when he thanks his daddy for giving him the chance to win rings in his town.

[Straight_Ballin]

The only thing Lebron elevates is Wade's **** when it goes into his butt when he thanks his daddy for giving him the chance to win rings in his town.

:lol

/thread

[Marlo_Stanfield]

The only thing Lebron elevates is Wade's **** when it goes into his butt when he thanks his daddy for giving him the chance to win rings in his town.
how is Puerto Rico??

[SilkkTheShocker]

The only thing Lebron elevates is Wade's **** when it goes into his butt when he thanks his daddy for giving him the chance to win rings in his town.

No need to project your homoerotic fantasies on a basketball forum.

[ArbitraryWater]

Laimbeer, Rodman, or even Jordan can **** off... they'd end up in a bodybag if they try to fight, or even block LeBron.

[Bandito]

how is Puerto Rico??
Weather is great!

[Bandito]

No need to project your homoerotic fantasies on a basketball forum.
I cant but you can?:biggums:

You always Lebron slurping dawg!!!

[stalkerforlife]

Remember when Hinrich tackled LeHelpMe and LeStack cried?

LMAO.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Laimbeer, Rodman, or even Jordan can **** off... they'd end up in a bodybag if they try to fight, or even block LeBron.
Bill Laimbeer( one of the toughest trash talkers in the 80s): "Lebron would be better in the 80s"
ISH:"LeBron would get destroyed in the 80s by physical defense"
:facepalm :facepalm

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron would've won more games every year

He would've never lost in the 1st round

And he would've made his 1st Finals by '89

[LeBird]

Bill Laimbeer( one of the toughest trash talkers in the 80s): "Lebron would be better in the 80s"
ISH:"LeBron would get destroyed in the 80s by physical defense"
:facepalm :facepalm

It's true too. If anything, the lack of physicality helps the other players more than Lebron. There has been no physical specimen with his speed, size and skill in the NBA ever. Once he'd become accustomed to the league he'd own it.

[J Shuttlesworth]

LeBron is only great with Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen, doe.
He took a scrub team like the Cavs to the finals. That's honestly better than what Jordan did without Pippen

[J Shuttlesworth]

It's true too. If anything, the lack of physicality helps the other players more than Lebron. There has been no physical specimen with his speed, size and skill in the NBA ever. Once he'd become accustomed to the league he'd own it.
Exactly. People forget he would be developing in a physically tough league as opposed to the league we have now. People who think a 6'8 250 guy couldn't adjust are just being haters.

[Fudge]

He took a scrub team like the Cavs to the finals. That's honestly better than what Jordan did without Pippen
Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen.

[Marchesk]

Laimbeer, Rodman, or even Jordan can **** off... they'd end up in a bodybag if they try to fight, or even block LeBron.

You'd take Lebron over Rodman? Rodman was strong enough to guard Shaq. And Lambier didn't give a shit. He'd even fight his own teammates.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen.
Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden

Backdoor swept :roll:

[Fudge]

Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden

Backdoor swept :roll:
Ray Allen, Bosh, and Michael Beasley.

[jrong]

He might win titles on the second 3-peat squad, but not the first. He's too hit-or-miss mentally in the playoffs. Jordan was an assassin.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Ray Allen, Bosh, and Michael Beasley.
John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Thelonius Monk

[OldSchoolBBall]

He might win titles on the second 3-peat squad, but not the first. He's too hit-or-miss mentally in the playoffs. Jordan was an assassin.

I'd give Lebron about 3-4 titles in those same 6 years the Bulls won if he replaced MJ. Probably 4.

[LeBird]

I'd give Lebron about 3-4 titles in those same 6 years the Bulls won if he replaced MJ. Probably 4.
How about 8? He doesn't go 'play' baseball.

[DonDadda59]

Would've quit on them and teamed up with Barkley and Drexler.

[LeBird]

Would've quit on them and teamed up with Barkley and Drexler.

Unless he was drafted by the Bulls and was gifted Phil Jackson, Pippen, Grant, Rodman, Kerr, Kukoc, etc.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

http://sidoxia.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/coffin.jpg

[DonDadda59]

Unless he was drafted by the Bulls and was gifted Phil Jackson, Pippen, Grant, Rodman, Kerr, Kukoc, etc.

He wouldn't have stuck around that long. Especially with young Pippen and his 'migraine' issues. Dude left a 60-win team that had been to the finals and was a contender. JJ Hickson showed signs of being a possible championship contributor, but Bron jumped ship anyway instead of helping to develop his potential. But he's gonna stick around and lose to the Bad Boys year after year while waiting for guys like Grant and Pip to finally develop?

F*ck outta here :oldlol:

[SHAQisGOAT]

How is a man who needs Wade as a mental crutch and couldn't even handle dirk/Terry going to lead the 80's bulls farther than Jordan?

Thanks for the entertainment!

Jordan living in your mind rent free.

This.

("Current") Lebron would be in deep trouble against a team like the Bad Boys, for example. He'd quickly be jumping ship after having their asses handed to them by the Celtics, Lakers, Pistons, 76ers or Bucks.




Lol,scoring was at an all time high and has dropped off dramatically and teams shot like 5% better on about 10 more possessions.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

Hand checking wasn't a big deal because the offensive player could also slap the hand away legally. There was also no zone defense. There are less Cs in the league because they aren't as useful anymore. Phil Jackson laid out the blueprint on how to defend them, using team length to bother them while exploiting their slow feet defensively.

DRtg is about the same and some people still talk about more advanced defenses :rolleyes: :facepalm :oldlol: Today's teams take way more 3s (because it was a new thing back then) so of course FG% is gonna be lower, eFG% is actually higher, how about that?? And I guess that following your arguments, the 60s and 70s are the best defensive era because of better DRtg, right?? Or just worse offense :confusedshrug: In fact as the pace decreased into the 80s, FG% got higher, that ain't supposed to happen, right???

I also love that no one mentions the offense.. Back then, teams moved the ball more and better, way less "dumb" iso stars making their move to take a bad and contested jumper, way less milking the clock and more fast-execution, way more quality bigs and better post-game overall for all positions, so on... You look at the Spurs nowadays following those "things, that style, and they keep on winning big even with their best players getting pretty old and a bunch of roles players that weren't viewed the same before getting there.. how bout that? :lol Now imagine better (individual) players, like peak 80s Celtics, or better and more athletic, like the showtime Lakers, for example(s), doing that.. They would be raping the league.

If you actually checked the games (now and before) you see that today you can't even play agressive defensive, written/unwritten rules benefit the offensive player (and more for superstars), there's no way to really keep someone out of the paint or to really check somebody, shit back then they scratched and held the shooter while nowadays you see a bunch of foul calls when someone slightly touches the shooter after the shot.. that's why when playoffs come around and calls are a bit different, you see a lot of players struggling with that type of basketball. Back then your offense had to be flowing, had to be great, had to be smart, had to take advantage of everything, had to be team-play, for a team to really strive.

[LeBird]

He wouldn't have stuck around that long. Especially with young Pippen and his 'migraine' issues. Dude left a 60-win team that had been to the finals and was a contender. JJ Hickson showed signs of being a possible championship contributor, but Bron jumped ship anyway instead of helping to develop his potential. But he's gonna stick around and lose to the Bad Boys year after year while waiting for guys like Grant and Pip to finally develop?

F*ck outta here :oldlol:

Lebron was at Cleveland for 7 seasons, it only took 3 seasons for Jordan to get Pip and co.

If it took 7 seasons for Jordan he probably would have retired - he was threatening to anyway after he couldn't do jack in the playoffs.


And LOL at leaving a 60 win team...genius, they were a 60 win team because of Lebron. How did they go when he left? Exactly.

[DonDadda59]

Lebron was at Cleveland for 7 seasons, it only took 3 seasons for Jordan to get Pip and co.

If it took 7 seasons for Jordan he probably would have retired - he was threatening to anyway after he couldn't do jack in the playoffs.


And LOL at leaving a 60 win team...genius, they were a 60 win team because of Lebron. How did they go when he left? Exactly.

You act like 'Pip & Co' were contributors right away. They were raw as hell and it took them a good 3 seasons to become reliable 2nd and 3rd option worthy and Pippen was a world class choke artist and soft as all hell. Jordan took him under his wing and turned him into what he became.

Bron couldn't handle losing to the past prime Cs twice before bailing on his team, but he's going to stick around playing superior teams like Bird's Celtics and the Bad Boys, losing year after year, waiting for guys to develop?

Stop it.

[LeBird]

You act like 'Pip & Co' were contributors right away. They were raw as hell and it took them a good 3 seasons to become reliable 2nd and 3rd option worthy and Pippen was a world class choke artist and soft as all hell. Jordan took him under his wing and turned him into what he became.

Bron couldn't handle losing to the past prime Cs twice before bailing on his team, but he's going to stick around playing superior teams like Bird's Celtics and the Bad Boys, losing year after year, waiting for guys to develop?

Stop it.

The 'took him under his wing' myth. Jordan wasn't much of a leader. In fact, he was noted for his teammates hating him because he was an asshole who only thought about himself.

If he could just take a player under his wing, then he should have done it earlier. The rest are just excuses and fabrications for you to make yourself feel better in believing a lie.

Bron stayed for 7 seasons, by that time the Bulls already had all the pieces together and were on a 2-peat. Again, one guy (Jordan) got gifted it all, the other had to make it happen (Lebron). Don't get angry at me, that's just how it played out. Now you can respect them both or shit on both, just don't be selective. Jordan isn't paying your rent any time soon.

[DonDadda59]

The 'took him under his wing' myth. Jordan wasn't much of a leader. In fact, he was noted for his teammates hating him because he was an asshole who only thought about himself.

If he could just take a player under his wing, then he should have done it earlier. The rest are just excuses and fabrications for you to make yourself feel better in believing a lie.

Bron stayed for 7 seasons, by that time the Bulls already had all the pieces together. Again, one guy (Jordan) got gifted it all, the other had to make it happen (Lebron). Don't get angry at me, that's just how it played out. Now you can respect them both or shit on both, just don't be selective. Jordan isn't paying your rent any time soon.

Son, stop it. You keep talking about Jordan being 'gifted' guys who he helped develop from bench scrubs into all star caliber players. Bron was 'gifted' guys like Jamison (who was a vet putting up 21/9 on the Wizards before being moved to CLE) and JJ Hickson who was an athletic beast who played well off of Bron and showed star potential (who has become a double-double caliber player and great rebounder). If Bron had stayed in Cleveland and helped to develop JJ's potential as Jordan did a raw Pippen, he might've had the missing piece that led to a ring. Especially with Rose being injured and the Cs getting old... who would've challenged the Cavs in the East?

But he didn't bother with any of that. He bailed on his team and took the easy way out.

[20Four]

Especially pre-Pippen. Is there any doubt LeBron could have done with those teams if you had replaced him with Jordan? They definitely win more games than the pathetic amount Jordan was able to muster before Pippen. LeBron simply elevates his teammates style of play. The best ever in NBA history at taking shit talent to deep playoffs runs. Jordan was just a scoring sideshow at that time. He will drop 50 points and watch his team still lose. LeBron simply would have done better. No doubt at all.
Can you stop making such fvcking dumb threads? fvck :banghead:

[LeBird]

Son, stop it. You keep talking about Jordan being 'gifted' guys who he helped develop from bench scrubs into all star caliber players. Bron was 'gifted' guys like Jamison (who was a vet putting up 21/9 on the Wizards before being moved to CLE) and JJ Hickson who was an athletic beast who played well off of Bron and showed star potential (who has become a double-double caliber player and great rebounder). If Bron had stayed in Cleveland and helped to develop JJ's potential as Jordan did a raw Pippen, he might've had the missing piece that led to a ring. Especially with Rose being injured and the Cs getting old... who would've challenged the Cavs in the East?

But he didn't bother with any of that. He bailed on his team and took the easy way out.

Hilarious. The same players Jordan helped so much were having their best year when he left.

Lebron's teammates? From 66-16 to 19-63.

:lol You keep bullshitting to yourself son.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Hilarious. The same players Jordan helped so much were having their best year when he left.

Lebron's teammates? From 66-16 to 19-63.
LeBron was the only difference between those teams?

Obviously when the best player in the league is a cowardly lion, leaves a team high and dry for nothing in return on a roster that was taylor made for his abilities ... it's going to be difficult to win basketball games when he leaves.

At the last minute no less, with no forewarning, or respect for a franchise that coddled him for 7 years.

Not to mention the conveniently left out situational differences, and context such as: coaching changes, system changes, injuries, etc.

Troll harder LeBitch

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBird just destroyed that boy :eek:


DAT ether

[Trollsmasher]

LeBird taking dumbDadda to school:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

DonDadda59 PUTTING IN WORK.

Truth teller.

LeDAMN.

[Trollsmasher]

I mean, did dumbDadda really just claim that JJ ****in Hickson could be a missing piece on a championship team?:roll: :roll:

[DonDadda59]

Hilarious. The same players Jordan helped so much were having their best year when he left.

Lebron's teammates? From 66-16 to 19-63.

:lol You keep bullshitting to yourself son.

Their 'best year' was one of the ones they won a championship in. People act like the '94 Bulls was the same squad that Jordan had just led to a championship the season before. But the truth is they added guys who would be key to their 2nd 3-peat (Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, Armstrong, etc). Once Jordan got to play a full season with the new guys, all he did was lead them to the best record ever, 72 wins, and another 3-peat.

And the Cavs lost a lot more than just LeBron- Shaq, Big Z, Mo either retired or traded, Jamison and Varejao were injured for most of the season. They weren't even a shell of the great defensive supporting cast Bron had in his pre-quitting Cavs days.

[SamuraiSWISH]

And the Cavs lost a lot more than just LeBron- Shaq, Big Z, Mo either retired or traded, Jamison and Varejao were injured for most of the season. They weren't even a shell of the great defensive supporting cast Bron had in his pre-quitting Cavs days.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

ETHER

Don't forget him going on to quit the very next season in the NBA Finals, on the stacked roster he helped forge.

[DonDadda59]

I mean, did dumbDadda really just claim that JJ ****in Hickson could be a missing piece on a championship team?:roll: :roll:

Yep. The Cavs seemed to be one player away from taking out the likes of the Cs. Hickson always came off the bench and gave the Cavs great minutes and showed potential of being a key contributor. He and Bron had awesome on court chemistry.

JJ eventually became a 12-15 PPG/9-10 RPG guy. If Bron had stayed around and helped him reach his full potential the way MJ did for Pip, he may have been the missing puzzle piece. And a young athletic guy like him could've given the aging Cs a ton of problems and put the Cavs over the top.

[LeBird]

Their 'best year' was one of the ones they won a championship in. People act like the '94 Bulls was the same squad that Jordan had just led to a championship the season before. But the truth is they added guys who would be key to their 2nd 3-peat (Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, Armstrong, etc). Once Jordan got to play a full season with the new guys, all he did was lead them to the best record ever, 72 wins, and another 3-peat.

And the Cavs lost a lot more than just LeBron- Shaq, Big Z, Mo either retired or traded, Jamison and Varejao were injured for most of the season. They weren't even a shell of the great defensive supporting cast Bron had in his pre-quitting Cavs days.

If not for the bullshit call on Pippen they might have had another ring. Might have meant a lot of suicides in Bulls 23 shirts, but that'd probably have happened. The team not only repeated the success of the year before; but the players themselves were scoring more and/or shooting better without Jordan. I mean, it's hilarious how every which way you look it just points to: Jordan didn't make the team much better at best and was a hindrance at worst.

That Cavs team were all Lebron; it's one of the clearest cases of a player carrying a team in sports history. Seriously. If they had won the ring that year, there would be no GOAT discussions anymore. That alone would have done it.

[Tmuston Beltics]

:roll:

stop it

dude got punked by white dude
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0110/nba_u_tele_600x400.jpg

racist

[DonDadda59]

If not for the bullshit call on Pippen they might have had another ring. Might have meant a lot of suicides in Bulls 23 shirts, but that'd probably have happened. The team not only repeated the success of the year before; but the players themselves were scoring more and/or shooting better without Jordan. I mean, it's hilarious how every which way you look it just points to one thing: Jordan didn't make the team much better at best and was a hindrance at worst.

That Cavs team were all Lebron; it's one of the clearest cases of a player carrying a team in sports history.

Stop son, stop.

Again, in 93 the Bulls led by Jordan won the ring.

In his absence, the front office added Toni Kukoc (one of the best 6th men ever), Steve Kerr (one of the best 3 pt shooters ever), and other key guys like Longley, Wennington, etc. They overachieve, Scottie proves what a mental midget he was against the Knicks bailing on his team in the playoffs, only to be saved by Kukoc (who hit like 4 buzzer beaters that season).

The next season, Grant goes to ORL, the Bulls turn into a .500 caliber squad until Jordan comes back and they go 17-4 to finish out the season and make the playoffs. In the playoffs he was clearly not at full strength and makes some LeBronesque mistakes in a key playoff game.

He comes back after a full offseason in game form, getting a chance to play with the new guys (swapping Grant for Rodman) and all he achieves is an NBA record 72 WINS and the first of another 3 straight championships.

But yeah, he didn't make the team much better :oldlol:

Where does Jeff find these people?

[Young X]

How can someone who leads his team to 67, 72 and 69 wins not make his team better? :oldlol:

To say MJ doesn't make his team much better is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read on this board. It's basically saying he's not a top 20 player in terms of impact. You can't be that much of a dickrider. That's ridiculous.

[SamuraiSWISH]

How can someone who leads his team to 67, 72 and 69 wins not make his team better? :oldlol:

To say MJ doesn't make his team much better is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read on this board. It's basically saying he's not a top 20 player in terms of impact. You can't be that much of a dickrider. That's ridiculous.They're just kids man. This generation that coincdes with LeBron fans just likes the anonymity to go on the internet, and troll message boards. Not wanting to have solid basketball discussion. It's basically making ISH intolerable though.

[LeBird]

Stop son, stop.

Again, in 93 the Bulls led by Jordan won the ring.

In his absence, the front office added Toni Kukoc (one of the best 6th men ever), Steve Kerr (one of the best 3 pt shooters ever), and other key guys like Longley, Wennington, etc. They overachieve, Scottie proves what a mental midget he was against the Knicks bailing on his team in the playoffs, only to be saved by Kukoc (who hit like 4 buzzer beaters that season).

So Jordan's impact is one of the first year of Kukoc, who played 24 mins a game; Kerr who was basically a nobody apart from his 3pt shooting % and who averaged 8-9 points a game; with further nobodies like Longley and Wennington.

Ladies and gentlemen, these guys, plus Pete Myers basically make up the difference of losing a Jordan. I didn't say it...this moron did.


The next season, Grant goes to ORL, the Bulls turn into a .500 caliber squad until Jordan comes back and they go 17-4 to finish out the season and make the playoffs. In the playoffs he was clearly not at full strength and makes some LeBronesque mistakes in a key playoff game.

He comes back after a full offseason in game form, getting a chance to play with the new guys (swapping Grant for Rodman) and all he achieves is an NBA record 72 WINS and the first of another 3 straight championships.

But yeah, he didn't make the team much better :oldlol:

Where does Jeff find these people?

Yeh, Bulls get Rodman (the greatest rebounder in history) to add to that team (meaning they had arguably 3 of the best 5 defenders in NBA history); the best scorer in NBA history, the best supporting star in NBA history; with one of the best 3pt shooters and one of the best 6th men ever (as you've said) in the weakest era in NBA history and they get 72.

Well done *stands up and claps*

BTW, you should read this; pretty interesting but I'm not sure the logic, information and the lack of Jordan narrative will sway you:

http://skepticalsports.com/?page_id=1222

Also gotta love the excuses: when Jordan is in the team and loses, it is not his fault; if the team still does well without him, it's not their doing; when they start winning again; it's all Jordan's doing again. And then you wonder why people like me wonder why the hell such an influential player couldn't turn around his sorry ass team during the 80s without these same teammates.

[Black and White]

Wow, LeBron getting mad overrated now, makes his teammates better than Jordan did now? Really?

[j3lademaster]

Laimbeer, Rodman, or even Jordan can **** off... they'd end up in a bodybag if they try to fight, or even block LeBron.:roll: :roll: :roll: Just the suggestion that Lebron "hold me back bro" James can even scrap is laughable. Rodman is, from the words of the zenmaster himself, the best athlete he's ever coached... and might be crazier than Artest.

Prime Artest used to give Lebron fits when the refs would let him. Obviously, Lebron outplayed him in matchups because, well, Lebron's one of the GOaT basketball players... but just the fact that in Artest's prime (pre 2006) Artest's teams won most of their games against the Cavs despite being underdogs (again, they're underdogs because Lebron was just so good) is evidence of what might happen to a young Lebron in a much more physical league; a league where the defense Artest WANTED to play on him on a regular basis was allowed. A league with enforcers such as Charles Oakley, Rodman, Malone (try talking crap to this guy and don't cry later if he puts 40 stitches in your head).

[DonDadda59]

So Jordan's impact is one of the first year of Kukoc, who played 24 mins a game; Kerr who was basically a nobody apart from his 3pt shooting % and who averaged 8-9 points a game; with further nobodies like Longley and Wennington.

Ladies and gentlemen, these guys, plus Pete Myers basically make up the difference of losing a Jordan. I didn't say it...this moron did.

The f*ck are you talking about Pauk? :lol

How is losing in the second round the same as winning the championship just the season before... or winning 72 games and a championship the first full season with MJ back?

Spin it however you want- without Jordan and adding a plethora of key contributors, the Bulls were a solid second round and out squad. With Jordan, they were a Historically great championship team that set the record for most wins ever.

But yeah, more or less no impact from the GOAT.

Go to sleep.

[LeBird]

The f*ck are you talking about Pauk? :lol

How is losing in the second round the same as winning the championship just the season before... or winning 72 games and a championship the first full season with MJ back?

Myths and playing dumb, is that what you're resorting to.

So Pippen wasn't having an MVP calibre year? The team wasn't 2 games worse? They weren't shooting better? They weren't within a call away from beating the Knicks? Without that call, the least the team was getting to was the NBA finals. All without Jordan.

And this is how stupid you are... you're now saying that Jordan was a 17 game difference, which means that 4 bench players essentially were a 15 game difference on top of a 55 win team (which is statistically huge effect jumping from one of the best teams in the league to the best league record ever) because when Jordan left they took up his reigns in his absence and when he returned he added right back to it.

But what happens inbetween (when Jordan comes back and they lose in the playoffs) is shoved under the rug and the addition of Rodman (who is possibly one of the greatest statistical positives in all sports) is kind of not really mentioned. And you wanna be taken seriously. :lol


Spin it however you want- without Jordan and adding a plethora of key contributors, the Bulls were a solid second round and out squad. With Jordan, they were a Historically great championship team that set the record for most wins ever.

But yeah, more or less no impact from the GOAT.

Go to sleep.

And again...if Jordan was so statistically significant...why didn't he do it in the 80s? Why weren't they at least a .500 team without Pippen and co?

See...you're stupid enough to make the argument that Jordan is so statistically sigificant that he can make a 55 game winning team into a 72 win one...which is a huge leap; yet he couldn't get the Bulls from a 28 win team into a 50 win one until his 4th season (something which is far easier to do).

Make sense, thanks.

[DonDadda59]

...

Bruh, you typed up an essay to say absolutely nothing. By your logic, and since context doesn't matter, Bron didn't make the Heat any better whatsoever as Wade, unlike second round quitter Pippen, led them to the championship and won finals MVP whereas Bron on his own choked up something fierce in the next year's finals.

Amirite?

This is how you back yourself into a corner, bruh :oldlol:

[LeBird]

Bruh, you typed up an essay to say absolutely nothing. By your logic, and since context doesn't matter, Bron didn't make the Heat any better whatsoever as Wade, unlike second round quitter Pippen, led them to the championship and won finals MVP whereas Bron on his own choked up something fierce in the next year's finals.

Amirite?

This is how you back yourself into a corner, bruh :oldlol:

Are you naturally stupid or do you practice?

BTW When did Wade have a team as bad as Bron's?

[Black and White]

Are you naturally stupid or do you practice?

BTW When did Wade have a team as bad as Bron's?

:biggums: Are you forgetting how bad Wades squad was pre-collusion?

[LeBird]

:biggums: Are you forgetting how bad Wades squad was pre-collusion?

I'm talking about the one that won.

[DonDadda59]

When did Wade have a team as bad as Bron's? Are you naturally stupid or do you practice?

Wait, wait, wait... so now we're getting into context? :oldlol:

Bulls w/ Jordan= 57 wins, Bulls w/o Jordan= 55 wins. Who cares about context here? Jordan clearly doesn't make the Bulls any better.

Heat w/o LeBron = Championship, Wade Finals MVP

Heat w/ LeBron = Loss in the finals to underdog, Wade loses out on 2nd finals MVP.

The year the Heat won with just Wade, they won 52 games in the regular season. The Heat w/LeBron this past season won 54 games.

Jordan going back to his stacked team got them 72 wins.

Wassup wit dat, bruh? :confusedshrug:

[Black and White]

I'm talking about the one that won.

Oh in 06? You do realise that Shaq wasn't the same player on that squad right?

[LeBird]

Wait, wait, wait... so now we're getting into context? :oldlol:

Bulls w/ Jordan= 57 wins, Bulls w/o Jordan= 55 wins. Who cares about context here? Jordan clearly doesn't make the Bulls any better.

Heat w/o LeBron = Championship, Wade Finals MVP

Heat w/ LeBron = Loss in the finals to underdog, Wade loses out on 2nd finals MVP.

The year the Heat won with just Wade, they won 52 games in the regular season. The Heat w/LeBron this past season won 54 games.

Jordan going back to his stacked team got them 72 wins.

Wassup wit dat, bruh? :confusedshrug:

Moron, even on that logic you don't make sense.

Wade himself was on that Heat team that lost in 2011. So were the Shaq/Wade Heat a better team or the 2011 one? :lol

And then the fact that you just illustrated how tough it is to go from a 55-win team to much more yet can't explain why Jordan couldn't even have half of that statistical relevance when he couldn't get to .500 in the 80s just shows you're dumber than I thought.

Quit typing before you lose whatever brain cells you're already killing.


Oh in 06? You do realise that Shaq wasn't the same player on that squad right?

Is that team better than the Cavs or not?

If we're arguing with an idiot's (DonDadda59) logic, let's at least be consistent.

[Hey Yo]

Wait, wait, wait... so now we're getting into context? :oldlol:

Bulls w/ Jordan= 57 wins, Bulls w/o Jordan= 55 wins. Who cares about context here? Jordan clearly doesn't make the Bulls any better.

Heat w/o LeBron = Championship, Wade Finals MVP

Heat w/ LeBron = Loss in the finals to underdog, Wade loses out on 2nd finals MVP.

The year the Heat won with just Wade, they won 52 games in the regular season. The Heat w/LeBron this past season won 54 games.

Jordan going back to his stacked team got them 72 wins.

Wassup wit dat, bruh? :confusedshrug:
I think it's safe to say the 06 Heat were more worried about winning regular season games than this season's Heat.

[DonDadda59]

Moron, even on that logic you don't make sense.

Wade himself was on that Heat team that lost in 2011.

So Bron made them worse? :eek:


If we're arguing with an idiot's (DonDadda59) logic, let's at least be consistent.

MY Logic? :oldlol:

This is your world, Pauk. The rest of us are just living in it.


I mean, it's hilarious how every which way you look it just points to: Jordan didn't make the team much better at best and was a hindrance at worst.
-Pauk

^My logic right there :oldlol:

Bulls 55 win, second round exit team turns into a 72 win champion on Jordan's return = Jordan didn't make the team better or was a hindrance.

Heat w/ only Wade wins the championship and Wade finals MVP w/ highest PER ever. Bron joins them and gets outscored by Jason Terry, scores 8 points in the finals = GOAT impact.

Sound logic.

[LeBird]

Calling me Pauk now...that's what it's gotten to. I guess our (Pauk and I) arguments about Bird were just cover-ups.

This is what happens when you shellack someone in a discussion. They start blubbering nonsense until they accuse you of being someone else's multi. Next he'll spit the dummy and claim he's someone else's multi. :lol

[DonDadda59]

Calling me Pauk now...that's what it's gotten to. I guess our (Pauk and I) arguments about Bird were just cover-ups.

Sound logic :applause:

[sd3035]

since Bran is way better than Jordan, the Bulls would have 10 peated

[deja vu]

Damn LeBron stans getting clowned here. I actually feel sorry for them.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Damn LeBron stans getting clowned here. I actually feel sorry for them.
I feel sorry your parents had such a f.aggot for a son

[raprap]

Lebron would destroy the fast paced, no defense 80's :oldlol:

[houston]

he wouldnt lose16 in a row vs Bird like Jordan did at one point:roll: :roll: :roll:



:roll:

[TheMan]

LeBird just got skullfvcked by DonDadda yet he thinks he won :oldlol:

LeBird logic, MJ has no impact = 94 Bulls, no MJ, no title and second round exit to a Knicks team MJ repeatedly owned (after a threepeat mind you), then in 95 MJ came back from retirement and led a .500 Bulls team to 13-4 finish (that's a 60 win pace). MJ then led them to a second threepeat. So from 90 -98, every year MJ played a full season, they won the NBA title, the two years in between when MJ didn't play a full season, no title.

In summary, 90s MJ full season with Bulls = NBA champs

But he had no impact :oldlol:

You just can't make this up :lol


BTW, would you Bran stans stop acting like the 94 Bulls were robbed of a sure title, THEY LOST IN THE SECOND ROUND!!! They weren't a lock to beat Indiana in the ECFs, much less the Houston Rockets in the Finals :facepalm

[tpols]

LeBird just got skullfvcked by DonDadda yet he thinks he won :oldlol:


Not at all.. dude seriously argued that had Bron been better at molding teammates like MJ he couldve turned JJ hickson into Scottie Pippen. Thats just.. wow. :eek:

[nnn123]

Put LeBron on the 80s Bulls - at best, the Bulls end up with better regular season records.

But it's clear that Jordan has more playoff impact (to me at least). I don't see LeBron getting past those Celtics or Pistons, or coming anywhere close.

The difference between LeBron and Jordan ....

-LeBron can do more with less (ie carry a team of scrubs to the playoffs)
-Give Jordan some talent to work with, and he can carry them to greater heights than LeBron

It all has to do with playoff performance. MJ elevates his game, was so smart, always seemed to make the right plays under pressure. LeBron (although not too shabby in the playoffs) - clearly his performance takes a dive in the postseason.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Did u just say no defense? There are literally no centers in the league anymore. Lolol my lord go watch some videos. Mj also had to deal with hand checking and everytime he drove to the basket he would get hit. Bran complained about hinrich fouling him cause he pulled him to the ground. The mailman would of knocked bran out with one elbow.


Mahorn, Rodman and Laimbeer would destroy Lebron in the paint.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Put LeBron on the 80s Bulls - at best, the Bulls end up with better regular season records.

But it's clear that Jordan has more playoff impact (to me at least). I don't see LeBron getting past those Celtics or Pistons, or coming anywhere close.

The difference between LeBron and Jordan ....

-LeBron can do more with less (ie carry a team of scrubs to the playoffs)
-Give Jordan some talent to work with, and he can carry them to greater heights than LeBron

It all has to do with playoff performance. MJ elevates his game, was so smart, always seemed to make the right plays under pressure. LeBron (although not too shabby in the playoffs) - clearly his performance takes a dive in the postseason.
thats why all lebrons stats go up in the postseason:roll: :roll: :hammerhead:

[Marchesk]

Mahorn, Rodman and Laimbeer would destroy Lebron in the paint.

But but but Lebron is a tank:

http://redsarmy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/lebron-james.jpg

[nnn123]

thats why all lebrons stats go up in the postseason:roll: :roll: :hammerhead:


I may be biased by LeBron's most recent, prime years on the Miami Heat, in which his postseason performance suffers compared to the regular season

[pauk]

I would love to see bran vs the bad boys.

Well, considering stuff like hearing even the baddest bad boy Bill Laimbeer say Lebron would do even better and be the best in the 80s just BECAUSE of contact:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2034662-bill-laimbeer-lebron-james-would-probably-be-best-player-in-nba-in-1980s

[TheMan]

thats why all lebrons stats go up in the postseason:roll: :roll: :hammerhead:
Not in the Finals doe, them's the brightest lights, biggest show. MJ owns the highest Finals PPG avg. GOAT :bowdown:

[TheMan]

Not at all.. dude seriously argued that had Bron been better at molding teammates like MJ he couldve turned JJ hickson into Scottie Pippen. Thats just.. wow. :eek:
I was refering to LeBird's idiotic statements about MJ having little to no impact...

[DonDadda59]

Not at all.. dude seriously argued that had Bron been better at molding teammates like MJ he couldve turned JJ hickson into Scottie Pippen. Thats just.. wow. :eek:

:facepalm

Show me where I said he could've turned him into Scottie Pippen. This is why you shouldn't interject yourself into conversations that don't involve you when you lack basic reading comprehension skills.

I said Hickson showed potential when he was coming off the bench for the Cavs and he and Bron had great on court chemistry. That if Bron hadn't quit on his championship contender team and had worked, like Jordan did with Pippen/Grant, to unlock his full potential, Hickson could've grown to be a key championship contributor... not that he would've become the next Scottie Pippen you goof.

If anything, his progression has been more like Grant- athletic PF who took time to develop from bench scrub into double-double threat. But since Bron abandoned him, he's been blowing in the wind :(

[SilkkTheShocker]

:facepalm

Show me where I said he could've turned him into Scottie Pippen. This is why you shouldn't interject yourself into conversations that don't involve you when you lack basic reading comprehension skills.

I said Hickson showed potential when he was coming off the bench for the Cavs and he and Bron had great on court chemistry. That if Bron hadn't quit on his championship contender team and had worked, like Jordan did with Pippen/Grant, to unlock his full potential, Hickson could've grown to be a key championship contributor... not that he would've become the next Scottie Pippen you goof.

If anything, his progression has been more like Grant- athletic PF who took time to develop from bench scrub into double-double threat. But since Bron abandoned him, he's been blowing in the wind :(

You got desperate and brought up JJ Hickson of all people, Jamal. Let it go, you got owned. :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

You got desperate and brought up JJ Hickson of all people, Jamal. Let it go, you got owned. :oldlol:

A psychologist would have a field day with you, boy. A passive aggressive internet racist obsessed with a Black athlete. Dime a dozen around these parts :oldlol:

And how did I get 'desperate' exactly?

Horace Grant, who started out as a bench player like Pippen & Hickson, put up 13/9 during the first 3-peat run as the Bulls' 3rd option. Hickson has been putting up 12/10 the past 2 seasons getting starters' minutes. Can't help but think that him being mentored and developed by LeBron would've done wonders for him and the Cavs had Bron not abandoned his 60 win, championship contender team.

[20Four]

You got desperate and brought up JJ Hickson of all people, Jamal. Let it go, you got owned. :oldlol:
You done flippin burgers?

[Hey Yo]

:facepalm

Show me where I said he could've turned him into Scottie Pippen. This is why you shouldn't interject yourself into conversations that don't involve you when you lack basic reading comprehension skills.

I said Hickson showed potential when he was coming off the bench for the Cavs and he and Bron had great on court chemistry. That if Bron hadn't quit on his championship contender team and had worked, like Jordan did with Pippen/Grant, to unlock his full potential, Hickson could've grown to be a key championship contributor... not that he would've become the next Scottie Pippen you goof.

If anything, his progression has been more like Grant- athletic PF who took time to develop from bench scrub into double-double threat. But since Bron abandoned him, he's been blowing in the wind :(
So what would have been the championship line-up?

Mo
Anthony Parker
James
Hickson
Varejao?

:rolleyes: