4 straight Finals. Something Kobe could not do with a superior cast.

[JohnMax]

Lebron > Kobe

[Black and White]

Kobe had a superior cast????

[konex]

Kobe's worst Lakers squads could have made the ECF in this shitty conference

[nathanjizzle]

who were the heats greatest competition in the last 4 years in the ec? the 11 bulls?:lol old ass celtics?:lol

[Cocaine80s]

Kobe had a superior cast????
yes

[oh the horror]

Lol bro you throw the lakers into this eastern conference and watch the fun commence. Don't fool yourself.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Miami is superior talent wise, in a much weaker conference.

[Warfan]

Do u have to mention kobe? He played in a tougher conference, but I'm not gonna bother having an argument. What lebron/heat have done is great, we'll see if they can do what few teams have (well they still have to win next game to have the chance :lol )

[Jameerthefear]

Kobe has been exposed completely by the greatness of Lebron James.

[Mr.Kite]

Kobe had a superior cast????

[DFish24]

But what was competition?

[aboss4real24]

so many angry kobe di ck sniffers http://i.imgur.com/Xn22Uc0.png

[edrick]

They haven't made it yet. If the Heat do make it, they will be the first team in 15+ years to make it to 4 straight Finals.

[IllegalD]

Bosh (LeBron's 3rd option) - 9 All-Star Selections :eek:

For comparisons sake:

Wade (LeBron's 2nd option) - 10 All-Star Selections :applause:

Gasol (Kobe's 2nd option) - 4 All-Star Selections

Odom (Kobe's 3rd option) - 0 All-Star Selections :roll:

But yeah... LeBron's cast is "inferior". :lol

[DonDadda59]

Not a fan of either, and it can be argued that I care less for Bean.

But this is a silly thread built on a stupid premise, for several reasons.

[Black and White]

yes

Which team are you talking about specifically?

[3LiftHeatCurse]

They haven't made it yet. If the Heat do make it, they will be the first team in 15+ years to make it to 4 straight Finals.

way more than 15 years.

we have to go back to the 80s showtime lakers. from 1982 to 1985

[Cold soul]

Kobe had the superior cast? :facepalm

[edrick]

way more than 15 years.

Think we have to go back to the 80s celtics or lakers? did any of them do it 4 straight?

if not, go back to the 60s

yeah, typo. It hasn't been done since 1987. I meant 25+.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

yeah, typo. It hasn't been done since 1987. I meant 25+.

If only LeBron hadn't sabotaged 2011...... the Heat would be looking at a 4peat right now.....


anyway, if the Heat can win this year, then the Heat are going for history next season for being the first team since the merger, in the modern era, since the 60s celtics..... to get a 4peat.

[stalkerforlife]

Bosh (LeBron's 3rd option) - 9 All-Star Selections :eek:

For comparisons sake:

Wade (LeBron's 2nd option) - 10 All-Star Selections :applause:

Gasol (Kobe's 2nd option) - 4 All-Star Selections

Odom (Kobe's 3rd option) - 0 All-Star Selections :roll:

But yeah... LeBron's cast is "inferior". :lol

/thread

[sportjames23]

Kobe has been exposed completely by the greatness of Lebron James.

Finally figured it out--Jameer hates Kobe because of 2009. It just hit me. :facepalm

[oh the horror]

Bosh (LeBron's 3rd option) - 9 All-Star Selections :eek:

For comparisons sake:

Wade (LeBron's 2nd option) - 10 All-Star Selections :applause:

Gasol (Kobe's 2nd option) - 4 All-Star Selections

Odom (Kobe's 3rd option) - 0 All-Star Selections :roll:

But yeah... LeBron's cast is "inferior". :lol





Close it up boys we're going home.

[Ne 1]

Considering LeBron is playing with by far the best supporting cast in the league, perhaps the best offensive supporting cast in NBA history relative to league average, plays in a historically weak conference, plays in the weakest era for bigs ever, and plays in the weakest era for superstars ever, I'm not sure how much stick you put I to Miami making 4 straight Finals.

[BigBoss]

When the Spurs beat the Heat. Lebron will be 2/5 in the finals. That's a 40% win percentage. The ammunition Lebron haters will have then. Enjoy this while it lasts :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Carbine]

He has the best supporting cast by far, but leads them in PTS/RBS/ASS for the regular season and playoffs.

OK, then.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Close it up boys we're going home.

Good riddance . Don't forget to take the rest of the Kobetards with you.

[Black and White]

Good riddance . Don't forget to take the rest of the Kobetards with you.

Dude, you can't possibly think LeBrons cast is inferior

[Marlo_Stanfield]

so many angry kobe di ck sniffers http://i.imgur.com/Xn22Uc0.png
this
dey scared now:oldlol: :oldlol: :applause:

[JT123]

Dude, you can't possibly think LeBrons cast is inferior
Prime Shaq >>>>>>>>>> Old Wade, soft Bosh, ancient Allen. Deal with it.

[Solefade]

Dude, you can't possibly think LeBrons cast is inferior

2012 and 2013 heat squad aren't that good compared to 09/10 lakers

[JT123]

2012 and 2013 heat squad aren't that good compared to 09/10 lakers
Exactly. Everyone always wants to claim the Heat would lose in 5 games to any championship team from years past, but NOW they suddenly wanna claim Lebron's supporting cast is better than Kobe's. :biggums: :facepalm

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Lebron > Kobe

4 NBA finals in 5 years is pretty damn impressive. That was when he had a stacked roster. If you think the 2009 and 2010 lakers were more stacked than the heat team now, you are crazy

[Olacinco]

http://i.imgur.com/Xn22Uc0.png

das it mane

[Mr Feeny]

4 NBA finals in 5 years is pretty damn impressive. That was when he had a stacked roster. If you think the 2009 and 2010 lakers were more stacked than the heat team now, you are crazyThey were. Few dispute this. The heat are as great as they are because they have thr guy who might challenge MJ'd GOAT status.
Take James and Kobe out of their teams and the lakers would have crushed the heat.
Mmkthxbye

[Trollsmasher]

It's also something MJ could not do with a superior cast

[Magic 32]

http://nesncom.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/andrew-bynum-big-lebowski.gif?w=250&h=301

[LeBird]

It's also something MJ could not do with a superior cast


Would have probably done it if he didn't 'retire'.

[Mr Feeny]

So wait let me get this straight.. Hater's say Shaq carried Kobe to a 3 peat but now the very same morons are saying it's Kobe's failure they didn't go to 4 straight finals....


The idiocy on this form is reaching an epic all time high

Awww poor baby so angwy?

[gts]

Awww poor baby so angwy?

The exact type of response I was expecting so I deleted the post..

get back to me when your nuts drop or you start to shave

This place has become absolutely the bottom of the barrel as far as message boards go :lol

[Mr Feeny]

The exact type of response I was expecting so I deleted the post..

get back to me when your nuts drop or you start to shave

This place has become absolutely the bottom of the barrel as far as message boards go :lol

Awww did you get your panties in a bunch?
Don't throw your toys out of the pram naw..kkkthxnaw:roll:

[Dr Seuss]

Take James and Kobe out of their teams and the lakers would have crushed the heat.
Mmkthxbye


Im not sure about that.

lakers starting 5 w/o kobe

fisher - haha
brown - haha
ariza/artest - depends what year were talking about
odom
gasol

*bynum was coming off an injury/ a non-factor during lakers 2peat
** two best players, gasol and odom

Heat w/o Lebron

Chalmers
Wade
Battier
Bosh
J Anthony - haha

i cant really recall the heats line up

*2 best players, wade and bosh

point is, that series could have gone either way. Lakers bench was terribad at the time, sans odom, who was good, but inconsistent.

The heats bench was probably no better, though.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe had a superior cast????


Ugh, when did Kobe win with a 2nd and 3rd option of 16 and 12 ppg, who both didnt bring any rebounding? Is this even a question?

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
1999-00 NBA Champions
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2000-01 NBA Champions
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2001-02 NBA Champions
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2003-04 NBA Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2007-08 NBA Finals
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2008-09 NBA Champions
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32
2009-10 NBA Champions


total = 24 playoff series victories, 5 championships, 7 finals



Lebron playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

2006-07 Detroit Pistons Record: 53-29
2006-07 NBA Finals
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2010-11 NBA Finals
2011-12 NBA Champions
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2012-13 NBA Champions
2013-14 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
2013-14 NBA Finals

total = 5 playoff series victories, 2 championships, 5 finals




Lebron will have only have beatin 3 Eastern teams with 50+ wins to make 4 straight nba finals


while kobe made 3 straight finals once beating 7 teams with 50+ wins in the west from 2000-2002

and again making 3 straight finals by beating 8 teams with 50+ wins in the west from 2008-2010

[kennethgriffin]

they call me the thread killer.. i kill threads

[VengefulAngel]

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
1999-00 NBA Champions
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2000-01 NBA Champions
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2001-02 NBA Champions
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2003-04 NBA Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2007-08 NBA Finals
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2008-09 NBA Champions
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32
2009-10 NBA Champions


total = 24 playoff series victories, 5 championships, 7 finals



Lebron playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

2006-07 Detroit Pistons Record: 53-29
2006-07 NBA Finals
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2010-11 NBA Finals
2011-12 NBA Champions
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2012-13 NBA Champions
2013-14 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
2013-14 NBA Finals

total = 5 playoff series victories, 2 championships, 5 finals




Lebron will have only have beatin 3 Eastern teams with 50+ wins to make 4 straight nba finals


while kobe made 3 straight finals once beating 7 teams with 50+ wins in the west from 2000-2002

and again making 3 straight finals by beating 8 teams with 50+ wins in the west from 2008-2010


I like the fact that you count Shaq's achievements as Kobe's achievements it's cute.

[Magic 32]

I like the fact that you count Shaq's achievements as Kobe's achievements it's cute.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/923112/heat.gif

[Derka]

Dat insecurity though...hinging on the performance of a basketball player :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Kobe having a superior cast is debatable. Lebron going to 4 straight Finals is obviously something Kobe never did. I don't count the 2000-2002 Lakers as Kobe's team. It was mainly Shaq's in 2000 and it was split in 2001 & 2002.

[Hey Yo]

It's also something MJ could not do with a superior cast
That's because, for some strange reason, he quit both times he had a chance to.

[MMM]

People really using ASG selections to rank casts
:facepalm

Can't nobody really believe Bosh was as good as 08-10 Odom. Gasol isn't on Wade level but he was a top 10 player in the league. Can't ignore Bynum too, Lakers size was why they were that Damn good and nobody could match up with their size.


I would say Miamis bench was better but the Lakers had the best starting lineup during their run. Didn't even mention Artest. Don't see how it is crazy to say Kobe had a better team around him.

[Dr Seuss]

Can't ignore Bynum too,



You can definitely ignore bynum during those championship seasons. he was closer to being a non-factor than he was a factor at the time of those laker runs. It was only after they won back to back titles that he began to step up CONSISTENLY - phil's last year with the lakers and browns first year.

When people use bynum as a factor as to why the lakers won, it makes me cringe and question if that person really did watch the playoffs at all.

[TheMarkMadsen]

People really using ASG selections to rank casts
:facepalm

Can't nobody really believe Bosh was as good as 08-10 Odom. Gasol isn't on Wade level but he was a top 10 player in the league. Can't ignore Bynum too, Lakers size was why they were that Damn good and nobody could match up with their size.


I would say Miamis bench was better but the Lakers had the best starting lineup during their run. Didn't even mention Artest. Don't see how it is crazy to say Kobe had a better team around him.


Chris Anderson had more impact than Bynum did during the 2peat.

Chris Bosh is easily better than odom, don't be dumb.

Lakers also had 0 depth, Luke Walton was seeing 20+ mpg at times.

Heat have had one of if not the deepest benches in the league for years. Norris Cole would start on those lakers teams

[MMM]

Chris Anderson had more impact than Bynum did during the 2peat.

Chris Bosh is easily better than odom, don't be dumb.

Lakers also had 0 depth, Luke Walton was seeing 20+ mpg at times.

Heat have had one of if not the deepest benches in the league for years. Norris Cole would start on those lakers teams

Already mentioned that Miamis bench was better

and I agree that Birdman had more impact than Bynum but Bynum should not be ignored.

His size contributed to the Lakers having the best Frontcourt. Bynum was more impact full when he played more of a defensive and rebounding role in 09 and 10 in comparison to the more offensive minded Bynum of other years.

Really disagree with anyone who thinks 11-14 Bosh is better than08-10 Odom. Odom was a versatile player and could step in when Bynum or Gasol went down. With how bad the rest of the Lakers bench was it makes having a good 6th man all that much more important.

Can't see an argument for Bosh unless we're talking about his Toronto days.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Already mentioned that Miamis bench was better

and I agree that Birdman had more impact than Bynum but Bynum should not be ignored.

His size contributed to the Lakers having the best Frontcourt. Bynum was more impact full when he played more of a defensive and rebounding role in 09 and 10 in comparison to the more offensive minded Bynum of other years.

Really disagree with anyone who thinks 11-14 Bosh is better than08-10 Odom. Odom was a versatile player and could step in when Bynum or Gasol went down. With how bad the rest of the Lakers bench was it makes having a good 6th man all that much more important.

Can't see an argument for Bosh unless we're talking about his Toronto days.


Bynum was more impact full when he played more of a defensive and rebounding role in 09 and 10 in comparison to the more offensive minded Bynum of other years.

he averaged 3.7 rebounds per game in the 09 playoffs :lol and he never played more than 25 minutes per game in either the 09 or 10 playoffs, you're overrating him by a lot.

judging by your post i'm wondering how much of the 08-10 laker playoff runs you actually watched

[kennethgriffin]

I like the fact that you count Shaq's achievements as Kobe's achievements it's cute.
:biggums:


kobe beat more 50+ win teams on the way to 3 straight finals without shaq than he did with shaq

[kennethgriffin]

lebron fans - "dont count anything kobe did with shaq" ... " respect everything lebron does with ray allen, dwyane wade, chris bosh"

:lol

[2010splash]

Please... Kobe bricked his way to a 6/24 Game 7 meltdown and still won it all. He has had several 40 something percent Finals series when he was second banana to Shaq too.

LeBron is a much better player than Kobe. Everybody knows it at this point.

[MMM]

he averaged 3.7 rebounds per game in the 09 playoffs :lol and he never played more than 25 minutes per game in either the 09 or 10 playoffs, you're overrating him by a lot.

judging by your post i'm wondering how much of the 08-10 laker playoff runs you actually watched

Not saying Bynum was great and the fact that I agree that Birdman had more impact should clued into that.

Lakers had the best frontcourt in the league in 09 and 10 and nobody really was close. When I was speaking about the cast I'm speaking more so of the 10 team.

[MMM]

In 2010 the Lakers beat the Celtics by clogging the paint. Bynum's length really bother Rondo and as a result it really stagnated the Celtics offense. Yet I've always see people give Kobe that defensive credit. That role alone had more impact in winning than anything Bosh provides.

[gts]

Please... Kobe bricked his way to a 6/24 Game 7 meltdown and still won it all. He has had several 40 something percent Finals series when he was second banana to Shaq too.

LeBron is a much better player than Kobe. Everybody knows it at this point.

You know you're one of the all time greats when the only game your detractors try to hold against you is the one your team clenched the title in...

[Ne 1]

Not saying Bynum was great and the fact that I agree that Birdman had more impact should clued into that.

Lakers had the best frontcourt in the league in 09 and 10 and nobody really was close. When I was speaking about the cast I'm speaking more so of the 10 team.
Kobe's range is what made the Lakers length especially successful. Otherwise teams could just clog the paint.

Honesty there were probably 8-10 teams in the league with front-courts that would have been contenders with Kobe, while there was only 1 SG on Kobe's level in 2009 and 2010 (Dwayne Wade).

The Lakers front-court is usually just overrated by idiotic Kobe detractors trying to diminish him. The "dominant" front-court and the Lakers didn't even finish top 5 in OREB%, DREB%, or rebounding differential. I especially like how they always bring up Bynum. I can understand Gasol/Odom, who were both key for the Lakers during the 3 consecutive Finals runs, but including Bynum?

Bynum-
2008 Regular season: Only played 35 games. Lakers won 57 games and finished with the #1 seed in the stacked Western Conference.
2008 Playoffs: Didn't play. Lakers still made the Finals without him.

2009 Regular season: Only played 50 games.
2009 Playoffs: Averaged 6/3. Lakers still win championship

2010 Playoffs: Averaged 9/7. Lakers win championship.

There were more teams that could pose front-courts on the Lakers level than guards that were on Kobe's level.

These front-courts would have been contenders with a Kobe Bryant...
Hawks: Horford/Pachulia/Josh Smith/Kobe
Magic: Dwight/Gortat/Rashard/Kobe
Jazz: Okur/Jefferson/Millsap/Kobe
Boston: Garnett/Perkins/Wallace/Kobe
Portland: Pryzvvilla/Camby/Aldridge/Kobe
Nuggets: Nene/Martin/Andersen
Mavs: Nowitzki/Marion/Chandler/Haywood/Kobe
Bulls: Noah/Boozer/Deng/Kobe

and that's just off the type of my head...

Now keep in mind Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in the playoffs during the Lakers 3 straight Finals runs.

2010 Championship run, Odom/Gasol/Bynum combined: 36 PPG/24 RPG/4 APG

Hawks: Horford/Pazchila/Josh Smith season: 34 PPG/23 RPG/6 APG

Dallas: Dirk/Haywood/Dampier: 39 PPG/22 RPG/4 APG

Orlando:Howard/Rashard/Gortat: 36 PPG/21 RPG/4 APG

Bulls: Boozer/Noah/Deng: 41 PPG/29 RPG/7 APG

That's at least 5 teams that can replace LA's front-court and still expect a ring. The Kobe Bryant's of the world are ridiculously hard to find. No SG could have replaced Kobe except perhaps Wade in 2009 and 2010. That goes without saying Wade's skill set isn't suited for the triangle as well as Kobe's. Not saying he wouldn't be good in it, just not as good as Kobe. Wade doesn't have the range, nor is he as good off the ball.

[Jameerthefear]

Kobe's range is what made the Lakers length especially successful. Otherwise teams could just clog the paint.

Honesty there were probably 8-10 teams in the league with front-courts that would have been contenders with Kobe, while there was only 1 SG on Kobe's level in 2009 and 2010 (Dwayne Wade).

The Lakers front-court is usually just overrated by idiotic Kobe detractors trying to diminish him. The "dominant" front-court and the Lakers didn't even finish top 5 in OREB%, DREB%, or rebounding differential. I especially like how they always bring up Bynum. I can understand Gasol/Odom, who were both key for the Lakers during the 3 consecutive Finals runs, but including Bynum?

Bynum-
2008 Regular season: Only played 35 games. Lakers won 57 games and finished with the #1 seed in the stacked Western Conference.
2008 Playoffs: Didn't play. Lakers still made the Finals without him.

2009 Regular season: Only played 50 games.
2009 Playoffs: Averaged 6/3. Lakers still win championship

2010 Playoffs: Averaged 9/7. Lakers win championship.

There were more teams that could pose front-courts on the Lakers level than guards that were on Kobe's level.

These front-courts would have been contenders with a Kobe Bryant...
Hawks: Horford/Pachulia/Josh Smith/Kobe
Magic: Dwight/Gortat/Rashard/Kobe
Jazz: Okur/Jefferson/Millsap/Kobe
Boston: Garnett/Perkins/Wallace/Kobe
Portland: Pryzvvilla/Camby/Aldridge/Kobe
Nuggets: Nene/Martin/Andersen
Mavs: Nowitzki/Marion/Chandler/Haywood/Kobe
Bulls: Noah/Boozer/Deng/Kobe

and that's just off the type of my head...

Now keep in mind Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in the playoffs during the Lakers 3 straight Finals runs.

2010 Championship run, Odom/Gasol/Bynum combined: 36 PPG/24 RPG/4 APG

Hawks: Horford/Pazchila/Josh Smith season: 34 PPG/23 RPG/6 APG

Dallas: Dirk/Haywood/Dampier: 39 PPG/22 RPG/4 APG

Orlando:Howard/Rashard/Gortat: 36 PPG/21 RPG/4 APG

Bulls: Boozer/Noah/Deng: 41 PPG/29 RPG/7 APG

That's at least 5 teams that can replace LA's front-court and still expect a ring. The Kobe Bryant's of the world are ridiculously hard to find. No SG could have replaced Kobe except perhaps Wade in 2009 and 2010. That goes without saying Wade's skill set isn't suited for the triangle as well as Kobe's. Not saying he wouldn't be good in it, just not as good as Kobe. Wade doesn't have the range, nor is he as good off the ball.
Did not read. Lebron>>>>>Kobe

[DFish24]

Kobe's range is what made the Lakers length especially successful. Otherwise teams could just clog the paint.

Honesty there were probably 8-10 teams in the league with front-courts that would have been contenders with Kobe, while there was only 1 SG on Kobe's level in 2009 and 2010 (Dwayne Wade).

The Lakers front-court is usually just overrated by idiotic Kobe detractors trying to diminish him. The "dominant" front-court and the Lakers didn't even finish top 5 in OREB%, DREB%, or rebounding differential. I especially like how they always bring up Bynum. I can understand Gasol/Odom, who were both key for the Lakers during the 3 consecutive Finals runs, but including Bynum?

Bynum-
2008 Regular season: Only played 35 games. Lakers won 57 games and finished with the #1 seed in the stacked Western Conference.
2008 Playoffs: Didn't play. Lakers still made the Finals without him.

2009 Regular season: Only played 50 games.
2009 Playoffs: Averaged 6/3. Lakers still win championship

2010 Playoffs: Averaged 9/7. Lakers win championship.

There were more teams that could pose front-courts on the Lakers level than guards that were on Kobe's level.

These front-courts would have been contenders with a Kobe Bryant...
Hawks: Horford/Pachulia/Josh Smith/Kobe
Magic: Dwight/Gortat/Rashard/Kobe
Jazz: Okur/Jefferson/Millsap/Kobe
Boston: Garnett/Perkins/Wallace/Kobe
Portland: Pryzvvilla/Camby/Aldridge/Kobe
Nuggets: Nene/Martin/Andersen
Mavs: Nowitzki/Marion/Chandler/Haywood/Kobe
Bulls: Noah/Boozer/Deng/Kobe

and that's just off the type of my head...

Now keep in mind Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in the playoffs during the Lakers 3 straight Finals runs.

2010 Championship run, Odom/Gasol/Bynum combined: 36 PPG/24 RPG/4 APG

Hawks: Horford/Pazchila/Josh Smith season: 34 PPG/23 RPG/6 APG

Dallas: Dirk/Haywood/Dampier: 39 PPG/22 RPG/4 APG

Orlando:Howard/Rashard/Gortat: 36 PPG/21 RPG/4 APG

Bulls: Boozer/Noah/Deng: 41 PPG/29 RPG/7 APG

That's at least 5 teams that can replace LA's front-court and still expect a ring. The Kobe Bryant's of the world are ridiculously hard to find. No SG could have replaced Kobe except perhaps Wade in 2009 and 2010. That goes without saying Wade's skill set isn't suited for the triangle as well as Kobe's. Not saying he wouldn't be good in it, just not as good as Kobe. Wade doesn't have the range, nor is he as good off the ball.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Ne 1]

Did not read. Lebron>>>>>Kobe
**** off RG.

[Jameerthefear]

**** off RG.
http://i.imgur.com/8zXPJIw.gif

[Dr Seuss]

Did not read. Lebron>>>>>Kobe


**** off RG.

if you disguised your post as a manga, you know who would have read that thing in every direction and then jerked it to it.

[NASH = BEST]

I don't think there is much to brag about coming out of the East for 4 straight Finals.

I think if you replace the Heat with either the Spurs, Mavs, OKC, or maybe even Memphis the past 4 years and they likely accomplish this achievement too.

Likewise, if you put the Heat in the West playoffs the past 4 years, I doubt they have the same success.

And for the record, Lebron's 2011-14 team mates > Kobe's 2008-2011 team mates

[jzek]

Why does Kobe have 5 rings but only 2 FMVPs? I thought he was good?

[Duggrr]

Bosh (LeBron's 3rd option) - 9 All-Star Selections :eek:

For comparisons sake:

Wade (LeBron's 2nd option) - 10 All-Star Selections :applause:

Gasol (Kobe's 2nd option) - 4 All-Star Selections

Odom (Kobe's 3rd option) - 0 All-Star Selections :roll:

But yeah... LeBron's cast is "inferior". :lol
Keep in mind that if Bosh had played in the Western Conference for his entire career, he would probably would have made 4 or 5 All Star games.

[gts]

I don't think there is much to brag about coming out of the East for 4 straight Finals.

I think if you replace the Heat with either the Spurs, Mavs, OKC, or maybe even Memphis the past 4 years and they likely accomplish this achievement too.

Likewise, if you put the Heat in the West playoffs the past 4 years, I doubt they have the same success.

And for the record, Lebron's 2011-14 team mates > Kobe's 2008-2011 team matesValid point
Don't have the time now but I wonder what the combined records of the teams the Heat have faced in the playoffs vs the teams the Lakers faced in the playoffs