Does anyone still actually consider Kobe a top 10 player? (alltime)

[Jameerthefear]

MJ
Kareem
Magic
Shaq
Bird
Russel*
Wilt*
Hakeem
Duncan
Lebron

That's 10 players that he straight up has no argument over. Then you could possibly add in a few others. If you have Kobe in your top 10 I no longer consider you as an intelligent poster on this board.

[Cocaine80s]

Kobe is at best top 15. The fact that he is a registered sex offender makes me consider not ranking him at all tbh

[Johnny Jones]

Kobe is at best top 15. The fact that he is a registered sex offender makes me consider not ranking him at all tbh
:biggums: :lol

[kells333]

MJ
Kareem
Magic
Shaq
Bird
Russel*
Wilt*
Hakeem
Duncan
Lebron

That's 10 players that he straight up has no argument over. Then you could possibly add in a few others. If you have Kobe in your top 10 I no longer consider you as an intelligent poster on this board.


You could absolutely argue kobe> hakeem

[sammichoffate]

He's stuck at #6 on my list unless either Lebron or Duncan pass him

[Ancient Legend]

He's at #11.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

MJ
Kareem
Magic
Shaq
Bird
Russel*
Wilt*
Hakeem
Duncan
Lebron

That's 10 players that he straight up has no argument over. Then you could possibly add in a few others. If you have Kobe in your top 10 I no longer consider you as an intelligent poster on this board.

I never considered Kobe top 10. He was borderline top 15-20 and that was me being generous.

I don't look at "5 rings" argument, because Kobe has been propped up artifically by an amazing Lakers front office through great free agent signings and shady backdoor trades like Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol and Derek Fisher suddenly wanting eye surgery for his daughter so he weasels his way out of Utah to play starting PG for the lakers again.

Statistically, Kobe is a 45% career average volume shooter, who was drafted to the NBA at 18 and so has played a lot of games to get a little higher in the scoring totals...... but when measured by Games played, he fails.... and when measured in dominance, he fails. He only has like 2 scoring titles and scoring is the thing he's best at. FOR COMPARISON, Kevin Durant is only 25 yrs old and already has 4 scoring titles.

While he has a very long list of failures and utter humiliations and shameful displays. Intentionally sabotaging his team in a playoff Game 7, getting humiliated by 40 pts on your home floor in a NBA Finals elimination game when your team was favored to win the series, putting on a disgraceful chucking performance that singlehandedly destroyed the 2004 Lakers as Kobe chucked shots at an amazing 39% shooting clip, destroying his partnertship with a top 10 GOAT in Shaq, going 6-24 in an NBA Finals elimination game and still winning finals mvp simply because of brand name.....


Come on son. Kobe is nowhere near top 10. He is Top 15-20 range at best

[Mr.Kite]

Bran right now is 15.

i wanna see where he is on the list without colluding.

[stalkerforlife]

He's top 10 and that's undeniable.

[KingBeasley08]

Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
LeBron

He's at #9 for me right now will drop to 10 if LeBron wins another title

[Jameerthefear]

You could absolutely argue kobe> hakeem
No. Just no.

[GODbe]

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http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-james-rings-10.jpg

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[knicksman]

yet goes on to list wilt. LOL No intelligent considers wilt. But thats expected from a pedo who has no life

[Duggrr]

He's probably at 10 or 11 for me. He's neck and neck with LeBron but i'm 90% sure he'll leap over him and eventually get to the top 5.

[stalkerforlife]

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http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-james-rings-10.jpg

http://www.landinails.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/kobe-bryant-blocks-lebron-james-ernns1ai.gif
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:applause:

[sd3035]

Wilt isn't top 100

[BigBoss]

In your heart you do OP. Doesn't matter what you post on ISH. Ain't that a bitch

[Jameerthefear]

yet goes on to list wilt. LOL No intelligent considers wilt. But thats expected from a pedo who has no life
Me liking little girls has nothing to do with this.

[truhooper]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1361663173_Kobe_5_Rings_Streetball.png

2 finals mvps tho

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mjl.gif

http://cdn.tss.uproxx.com/TSS/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Lebron-and-Magic-Laughing.gif

[Cold soul]

I have Kobe ranked 6th. Most have him ranked in 6-9 range.

[Mure]

MJ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Shaq
Russell
Duncan
LeBron
Hakeem

Yea, no argument over any of these. 10-15 for Kobe.

[IllegalD]

Lots of people. A lot even consider him Top 5.

Kevin Durant:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24481811/kevin-durant-says-kobe-bryant-is-the-goat-along-with-jordan

Dr. J:

https://twitter.com/APgelston/statuses/342459966164180993

Barkley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyhX2YMgNvs

Wade:

http://www.lakersnation.com/nba-news-dwyane-wade-says-kobe-is-greatest-player-in-his-era/2013/02/15/

Shaq:

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2011/11/shaquille-oneal-calls-kobe-bryant-greatest-laker-of-all-time.html


West and Magic:

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/is-kobe-the-best-laker-ever-jerry-west-and-magic-johnson-think-so/

[Ne 1]

Kobe is reasonably top 5-10 ( He can't touch Jordan, Kareem, Russell and Wilt IMO, but everyone else is fair game though.

[zoom17]

:hammertime:

[Jameerthefear]

MJ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Shaq
Russell
Duncan
LeBron
Hakeem

Yea, no argument over any of these. 10-15 for Kobe.
Smart post.

[lilteapot]

The disrespect he's shown is unbelievable. Yeah, a 5 time champion, league MVP, scoring champion, finals MVP and 2nd greatest scoring game ever isn't a top 10 player.

[Black and White]

Jameer proving again why he is the joke of ISH.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

2nd greatest scoring game ever isn't a top 10 player.

what?

Mj
Kareem
Wilt

all better scorers.

[Ne 1]

2 finals mvps tho

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mjl.gif

http://cdn.tss.uproxx.com/TSS/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Lebron-and-Magic-Laughing.gif
Won 5 championships putting up 21/5/4, 29/7/6, 27/6/5, 30/5/6 and 29/6/6. :bowdown:

[lilteapot]

what?

Mj
Kareem
Wilt

all better scorers.
are you stupid and can you not read?

[Real14]

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http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-james-rings-10.jpg

http://www.landinails.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/kobe-bryant-blocks-lebron-james-ernns1ai.gif
http://37.media.tumblr.com/fb7cda7af67162ff51b05829f44301f8/tumblr_n14euzsAHI1qcmnsoo2_400.gif
:cheers:

[3LiftHeatCurse]

are you stupid and can you not read?

wait, you actually thought a regular season meaningless game vs the worst defense in the league (raptors at the time) is worth noting as to why he should be top 10?

here i thought you meant overall scoring ability.

your argument is weak

[Marlo_Stanfield]

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http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-james-rings-10.jpg

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http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/iM0ZAx7ZydNC3.gif

[Real14]

http://internal.champaignschools.org/central/business/johnson/3rdfa2011/aaltmyer/kobe%20dunk.jpg

[lilteapot]

wait, you actually thought a regular season meaningless game vs the worst defense in the league (raptors at the time) is worth noting as to why he should be top 10?

here i thought you meant overall scoring ability.

your argument is weak
so why hasn't anybody even come close since then? it's because very few players are better scorers than kobe.

stop it.

[DaSeba5]

Just barely. If LeBron wins another ring, I replace Kobe with Bran.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

http://internal.champaignschools.org/central/business/johnson/3rdfa2011/aaltmyer/kobe%20dunk.jpg
why are you such a kobe dick muncher??
because he never played against the knicks in the playoffs??

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Just barely. If LeBron wins another ring, I replace Kobe with Bran.
you dont have lebron top 10??
we all get it, your are an objective heat fan and not a lebron fan.
dont have to push it down our throats

[Cold soul]

what?

Mj
Kareem
Wilt

all better scorers.

Kareem not better scorer than Kobe.

[Solefade]

kobe is #11

[DaSeba5]

you dont have lebron top 10??
we all get it, your are an objective heat fan and not a lebron fan.
dont have to push it down our throats

Who says I'm pushing it down your throats? I'm just giving my opinion.

[Real14]

why are you such a kobe dick muncher??
because he never played against the knicks in the playoffs??
this iz coming from a LeBron and silkkthecocker stan:coleman:

[jstern]

I can't put him in my top ten, when I look at the whole picture. He was never overwhelmingly the best in the league, and his success has so much luck involved. Lots of bailouts, and never really any great moments of willing your team to championships like pretty much every other top ten player of all time. Kobe just feels like a false when it comes to the top ten. Someone who you can put other players in his era under his circumstances and they would win just as much and sometimes more or with less bailouts in poor performances.

[oh the horror]

Never considered Kobe a top ten player.


He's had flashes of why some would consider him as such but overall there are things for me personally that keep him out of that league.


I'm not mad at people if they consider him a top ten talent.


I'd laugh at anyone saying he's top 5 though. That's an absolute no go.

[Real14]

kobe is #11
LeBron is wayy below that then:applause:

[DaSeba5]

Here's my top 12:

Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe

LeBron
Hakeem

[PickernRoller]

I have Kobe at 6th all-time. It will be interesting to see if Lebron ever gets past West and Doctor J. in my Top 15. As a fan I hope he does.

[lilteapot]

Here's my top 12:

Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe

LeBron
Hakeem
this seems about right although i'd rank duncan after shaq.

[Jameerthefear]

Here's my top 12:

Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe

LeBron
Hakeem
Why do you have Kobe over Lebron and Hakeem. Shamless.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Why do you have Kobe over Lebron and Hakeem. Shamless.
trying to show hes objective.
their is absolutely no other explanation.
4 MVPS,2 FMVPS+ better stats vs 1 MVP,2 FMVP
literally no argument here:confusedshrug:

[DFish24]

With Title and FMVP Bran kicks Hakeem out of my Top 10. I have Kobe ranked at #7 btw.

[VIntageNOvel]

he's definitely top 5

1. Under age girl
2. Hentai
3. Little sis (incest)
4. Kobe
5. Food
6. Dwight
7. Insidehoops
8. Lebron
9. Orlando Magic
10. Future,job, etc

in your mind

[BlackVVaves]

Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
LeBron

He's at #9 for me right now will drop to 10 if LeBron wins another title

This is literally my list. Though I sometimes put Duncan above Shaq.

And I agree with the conditions as well. But with another FMVP I might be comfortable putting him above anyone one of Duncan, Shaq, or Wilt with the proper argument.

[Round Mound]

[B]Kobe is the Most Overrated and Least Efficient Superstar Next to Russell. But Russel Dominated The Game In Rebounding and Defense Thats 2 Things. Kobe? Scoring. Yes but as an INEFFICIENT SCORER..

Shooting 45% FG is Not Elite Company No Matter How You Look At It. Karl Malone Was a Better Scorer than Kobe and His Game Declined in the Play-Offs as Does Kobe

[Droid101]

Easily top ten. If you don't think so, you're probably a butt hurt hater.

Keep on keeping on.

[Im so nba'd out]

anyone who doesnt have kobe top 10 is trolling or they are a liar and the truth is not in them.






i still hate his stans with a passion

[Relinquish]

so why hasn't anybody even come close since then? it's because very few players are better scorers than kobe.

stop it.

It's because not a single player has attempted 40 shots in a game since then, let alone 46 (and on top of the 46 shots Kobe shot 20 FTs in the SAME GAME). :confusedshrug:

Stop it. It doesn't matter how high your career high is, it's about accolades in sports. Apart from non-finals MVP rings, Kobe has only a handful.

[Relinquish]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Kobe is the Most Overrated and Least Efficient Superstar Next to Russell. But Russel Dominated The Game In Rebounding and Defense Thats 2 Things. Kobe? Scoring. Yes but as an INEFFICIENT SCORER..

Shooting 45% FG is Not Elite Company No Matter How You Look At It. Karl Malone Was a Better Scorer than Kobe and His Game Declined in the Play-Offs as Does Kobe

[T_L_P]

Yeah, he's probably just there. I'm still taking Kobe's 17 years over LeBron's 11, and the more I think about it, Kobe would probably be ahead of Wilt too.

So he's around 9th right now.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron kicked him out last year, imo

[Round Mound]

You might want to learn how to spell Shaquille O'neal.

[B]I Corrected It.

And its Not Like I Don

[IllegalD]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]I Corrected It.

And its Not Like I Don

[Mr. Jabbar]

He's a 5-7 goat lock. And lol at leallen being anywhere near true all time greats that earned their metal.

I'd also like to rank op dead last in the ish poster rankings, being lolrlando fan is just icing on top of the cake

[Deuce Bigalow]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]I Corrected It.

And its Not Like I Don

[Im so nba'd out]

He's a 5-7 goat lock. And lol at leallen being anywhere near true all time greats that earned their metal.

I'd also like to rank op dead last in the ish poster rankings, being lolrlando fan is just icing on top of the cake
he's back.....http://www.dmvfollowers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/dwight-howard-struggle-face.png

[Round Mound]

Not surprising a Barkley fan doesn't think Kobe is Top 10.

Meanwhile Barkley kept jumping from ship to ship and couldn't even get 1 ring.

I wouldn't be surprised if this poster was actually Barkley himself. :lol

[B]Kobe Would Have No Rings Had He Not Been Drated in 84 By a Common Team and Not Shaq

[Round Mound]

What about Larry Bird doe?

I know you love PER, Kobe has a higher PER in the playoffs prime, peak, and career than Bird.

Bird surely isn't in your top 10 either right?

You surely have Chris Paul over Magic Johnson on your alltime list right? No ring crap and only efficiency/impact stats.

[B]Bird and Magic Played With 2 Other All Stars in Karem-Worthy and McHale-Parish. That

[pastis]

man im not a fan of kobe and i know that he always had a great supporting cast for winning it all, and if he was barely alone he choked like austria-hungary in WW1.

but if Russel and Wilt are considered top 10, than kobe is top 3.

[FPJ]

This forum is amazing :oldlol:

You literally can not see the amount of retarded shit that's displayed here anywhere else on the Internet. No sane person with decent bball knowledge would ever have Kobrick in the Top 10 (mayber 10th if you really reach for it and forget his selfishness), let alone ahead of Lebron :roll: .

[Magic 32]

I'm amused by Lebron stans doing anti-Kobe campaigns WHILE their guy is playing in the ECF.

Is this some sort of catharsis or revenge after the traumatic years (08-11)?

[Jameerthefear]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Kobe is the Most Overrated and Least Efficient Superstar Next to Russell. But Russel Dominated The Game In Rebounding and Defense Thats 2 Things. Kobe? Scoring. Yes but as an INEFFICIENT SCORER..

Shooting 45% FG is Not Elite Company No Matter How You Look At It. Karl Malone Was a Better Scorer than Kobe and His Game Declined in the Play-Offs as Does Kobe

[NumberSix]

Top 15.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I have him #11 but i really wouldn't fault anybody who had him over hakeem or lebron. All depends on what you rank on.

[Ne 1]

Most reasonable fans already had Kobe as borderline top 10/top 13 before winning his 4th ring, but after 2009 it wasn't even an argument, he cemented himself in the top 10.

Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Russell, Hakeem, Duncan and Wilt are the only players that can be ranked in front of him. No one else has a case. IMO at best he's top 5 with only Jordan, Kareem, Russell and Wilt being undisputedly better. Usually if anyone didn't have Kobe at #10 before '09, guys like West, Moses and Oscar were the ones that would be ranked in the #10 spot over Kobe, but honestly, what had they really done to place themselves over Bryant? After '09 there really weren't more than 9 players that could reasonably be ranked in front of him.

Take into consideration the following things:
- Peak play
- Overall career stats
- Awards/Records/Accomplishments
- Championships
etc. etc.

[Jameerthefear]

Most reasonable fans already had Kobe as borderline top 10/top 13 before winning his 4th ring, but after 2009 it wasn't even an argument, he cemented himself in the top 10.

Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Russell, Hakeem, Duncan and Wilt are the only players that can be ranked in front of him. No one else has a case. IMO at best he's top 5 with only Jordan, Kareem, Russell and Wilt being undisputedly better. Usually if anyone didn't have Kobe at #10 before '09, guys like Oscar West, Moses and Oscar were the ones that would be ranked in the #10 spot over Kobe, but honestly, what had they really done to place themselves over Bryant? After '09 there really weren't more than 9 players that could reasonably be ranked in front of him.

Take into consideration the following things:
- Peak play
- Overall career stats
- Awards/Records/Accomplishments
- Championships
etc. etc.
Negged.

[Mr Feeny]

Most reasonable fans already had Kobe as borderline top 10/top 13 before winning his 4th ring, but after 2009 it wasn't even an argument, he cemented himself in the top 10.

Jordan, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Russell, Hakeem, Duncan and Wilt are the only players that can be ranked in front of him. No one else has a case. IMO at best he's top 5 with only Jordan, Kareem, Russell and Wilt being undisputedly better. Usually if anyone didn't have Kobe at #10 before '09, guys like West, Moses and Oscar were the ones that would be ranked in the #10 spot over Kobe, but honestly, what had they really done to place themselves over Bryant? After '09 there really weren't more than 9 players that could reasonably be ranked in front of him.

Take into consideration the following things:
- Peak play
- Overall career stats
- Awards/Records/Accomplishments
- Championships
etc. etc.


Mmmmmm no. That would be Kobe fanboys like yourself. Most fans have him at 11-13. Mmmkthxbye

[SexSymbol]

7-10 range.
10 is if you hate him, he just has too many accolades and records to be looked over.
One of the best play-off performers ever

[Combat Wombat]

Mmmmmm no. That would be Kobe fanboys like yourself. Most fans have him at 11-13. Mmmkthxbye

:facepalm

No, they don't, you brainless wanker. Only the the teenage Heat "fans" do.

[SwayDizzle]

Let's be real here: Kobe (GOAT # 5) is better than Duncan and Shaq. Enough with overrating Hakeem (he is not top 10). Bronze (GOAT #10) should be currently ranked higher than Hakeem. Kobe does not have a case over Jordan, Kareem, Russell, and Wilt. Kobe's closest comparisons are Magic and Bird, and due to longevity, have him higher than both. It's all very marginal.

[Jameerthefear]

7-10 range.
10 is if you hate him, he just has too many accolades and records to be looked over.
One of the best play-off performers ever
No, just no. There are 10 players unarguably better than Bean. Stop.

[T_L_P]

Let's be real here: Kobe (GOAT # 5) is better than Duncan and Shaq. Enough with overrating Hakeem (he is not top 10). Bronze (GOAT #10) should be currently ranked higher than Hakeem. Kobe does not have a case over Jordan, Kareem, Russell, and Wilt. Kobe's closest comparisons are Magic and Bird, and due to longevity, have him higher than both. It's all very marginal.

Those two definitely have cases over Kobe. They're both better statistically, defensively, and they have more individual accolades (maybe Kobe has more than Shaq, but not Duncan).

If you're just building a basketball team to win, GMs are taking Duncan and Shaq over Kobe most times. I agree that Kobe has a case over Hakeem from an accolade perspective though.

[fiddy]

No, just no. There are 10 players unarguably better than Bean. Stop.
Stop wasting air, there are 7billion human beings that need air more than you.

[SwayDizzle]

Those two definitely have cases over Kobe. They're both better statistically, defensively, and they have more individual accolades (maybe Kobe has more than Shaq, but not Duncan).

If you're just building a basketball team to win, GMs are taking Duncan and Shaq over Kobe most times. I agree that Kobe has a case over Hakeem from an accolade perspective though.
Even though I think Kobe is a better player than both Duncan and Shaq, I would also take Duncan or Shaq over Kobe when building a team from scratch. However, when building a championship caliber team, I would rather take a lesser C or PF to group with a superstar SG than vice versa.

Kobe clearly surpassed Shaq after he won his second FMVP and 5th ring.
I will agree that Duncan is very close to Kobe in the GOAT ranking. You can group him with Magic and Bird. If Duncan wins FMVP this year, he will claim the #5 spot and Kobe will move to #6.

[Jlamb47]

Kobe is top 5-10
yal just want Lebron to look so much better. Magic himself called Kobe better then him
Chuck got Kobe top 5
Jordan knows Kobe the only player to possiblly beat him 1 on 1

[AirFederer]

No. 13-20

[Mr Feeny]

:facepalm

No, they don't, you brainless wanker. Only the the teenage Heat "fans" do.

Ah. Kobe fanboy right on cue:lol
Grneral consensus is that he is top 11 at best. Mmkthxbye

[chazzy]

I have him at 9, just above Hakeem and Lebron. Lebron would jump to 9 if he wins.

[kennethgriffin]

even if you cut kobes career in half and didnt count the 3 championships/all nba teams in his years with shaq. and only counted from 2005-2013. hes still done more than hakeem


kobe 2005-2014
2 championships
2 finals mvps
1 season mvp
8 first team all nba's
6 first team all defense's
10 time allstar starter


hakeem his whole life

2 championships
2 finals mvps
1 season mvp
6 first team all nba's
5 first team all defense's
8 time allstar starter



if kobe has a top 10 all time career even if you take away his first 3 titles averaging

2000 - 21/5/5
2001 - 30/6/5
2002 - 27/6/5

in the playoffs

and take away his

1998 allstar/all nba
2000 allstar/all nba/all defense
2001 allstar/all nba/all defense
2002 allstar/all nba/all defense
2003 allstar/all nba/all defense
2004 allstar/all nba/all defense


and also take away all the great things he did like


- 1996 youngest starter/player/dunk champ
- 1998 youngest allstar starter
- 2000 youngest all defensive 1st team, saving the 2000 wcf game 7, finals game 4
- 2001 leading scorer on 3 undefeted playoff rounds against 3 50+win teams
- 2002 asg mvp, saving the 2002 wcf game 7
- 2003 averaging 40 for 2 months, 9 straight 40+ games, nba record 12 threes
- 2004 making the nba finals




then how the hell is he not top 10 with it combined?

hes top 6-7 IMO

[kennethgriffin]

my new nickname should be


"the thread killer"

so many times i drop knowledge and people have no response

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Kobe is borderline top 15.
i would take guys like Pippen and maybe even Dirk/Barkley over him:coleman:

[Jlamb47]

Kobe is borderline top 15.
i would take guys like Pippen and maybe even Dirk/Barkley over him:coleman:

then you would take Dirk over Lebron too cuz Dirk shatted on Lebron
While Kobe domainted the Mavs
Dude get real, you only say bad things about KD and Kobe to make sure Lebron looks better
Barkley himself called kobe top 5 player ever and that was few years back lol
Even Pippen said Kobe was better then him

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe is borderline top 15.
i would take guys like Pippen and maybe even Dirk/Barkley over him:coleman:
i would take guys like westbrook over lebron

doesnt mean westbrook is anywhere near lebron all time



rankings arent about who you like or hate or would rather have on your team. its about resumes and skills


kobe has a top 2 all time skill level and a top 6-7 all time resume

[ArbitraryWater]

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[kennethgriffin]

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except

kobe averaged

21/5/5 for his 2000 playoffs
30/7/6 for his 2001 playoffs
27/6/5 for his 2002 playoffs
30/7/6 for his 2009 playoffs
30/6/5 for his 2010 playoffs


while those other guys are mostly role players or 3rd/4th options and the only other mvp on that list is Bill Russell/cousy





so your argument is invalid since the ring comparrison can only be made for comparable players


scrubs to scrubs
role players to role players
stars to stars
superstars to superstars
mvps to mvps

and nobody counts 60's rings as highly regarded as anything won after 1980 anyway..

the only reason russells so high is cause his 11 titles are worth like 5 or 6.. which is why hes right around 3rd all time between kareem and magic

get it?


no robert horrys 7 rings arent the same as a guy averaging 30 points

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is a "consensus" top 11-15 player of alltime? There should be plenty of evidence for this I would suppose. Where's your proof?

[Carbine]

i would take guys like westbrook over lebron

doesnt mean westbrook is anywhere near lebron all time



rankings arent about who you like or hate or would rather have on your team. its about resumes and skills


kobe has a top 2 all time skill level and a top 6-7 all time resume

You would take Russell Westbrook on your team before LeBron?

LOL

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe is a "consensus" top 11-15 player of alltime? There should be plenty of evidence for this I would suppose. Where's your proof?


every poll ive ever seen over the last 5 years has kobe top 6-7

and when he won those back to back titles they had him as high as top 3 behind mj and magic

so i dunno where their consensus facts come from


kobe just beat lebron on their latest top 10 all time vote

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe is a "consensus" top 11-15 player of alltime? There should be plenty of evidence for this I would suppose. Where's your proof?

lmfaoo

Deuce so good he's testing himself... making arguments for both sides :lol

Go ahead, love the essays on why Kobe is overrated :cheers:

[DMAVS41]

Sure...he's right there with hakeem/lebron for that spot for me.

Unless Lebron never plays again or something...it's just a formality for him to be put over Kobe though.

But meh...he's pretty much top 11 for sure....same thing.

[NumberSix]

Sure...he's right there with hakeem/lebron for that spot for me.

Unless Lebron never plays again or something...it's just a formality for him to be put over Kobe though.

But meh...he's pretty much top 11 for sure....same thing.
LeBron is decisively better than Kobe. I don't know what you're doing here.

[DMAVS41]

LeBron is decisively better than Kobe. I don't know what you're doing here.

Meh....I need to see another title from Lebron before I put him over Kobe.

2 out of 4 on these loaded Heat teams in one of the weakest conferences I can remember...and not playing all time great finals teams either...

Meh...just average to me.

If the Heat win this year...I'll officially move Lebron over Kobe. But if he disspaoints in the finals again and they lose.

Just not enough yet to vault him over Kobe. He'd be 2 of 5 in the finals and he'd have at least 2 all time bad performances in 07 and 11....and that is without even talking about the ghost series he played last year until the 4th qtr of game 6.

I don't like to predict the future much. This is a big legacy year for Lebron in the sense of moving up over the likes of Kobe/Shaq/Hakeem/Bird...etc. for me.

[kennethgriffin]

You would take Russell Westbrook on your team before LeBron?

LOL


ofcourse.. i dont like lebron.. i like westbrook. why would i wanna cheer for lebron. hes a ring chasing colluding delusional 10 year old in a 30 year old body

he would be unbearable to watch.

his moves are so boring

it isnt all about winning. sometimes you wanna be able to enjoy watching your best player since hes gonna have the ball most of the game


and westbrook doesnt need his team mates to bail him out


so naturally personal preference goes into picking people. which is probably why that guy i was quoting said he would rather have other people than kobe. he hates kobe

so its understandable.. but when i rank guys i dont go by how much i like them


i put kareem/russell/jordan top 3 and i could care less about any of them.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Meh....I need to see another title from Lebron before I put him over Kobe.

2 out of 4 on these loaded Heat teams in one of the weakest conferences I can remember...and not playing all time great finals teams either...

Meh...just average to me.

If the Heat win this year...I'll officially move Lebron over Kobe. But if he disspaoints in the finals again and they lose.

Just not enough yet to vault him over Kobe. He'd be 2 of 5 in the finals and he'd have at least 2 all time bad performances in 07 and 11....and that is without even talking about the ghost series he played last year until the 4th qtr of game 6.

I don't like to predict the future much. This is a big legacy year for Lebron in the sense of moving up over the likes of Kobe/Shaq/Hakeem/Bird...etc. for me.
tards gonna tard

[Solefade]

Meh....I need to see another title from Lebron before I put him over Kobe.

2 out of 4 on these loaded Heat teams in one of the weakest conferences I can remember...and not playing all time great finals teams either...

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lol i don't get why people keep saying these heat teams are loaded, 2011 is a different case but 2012 and 2013 is nothing anywhere near "loaded"

if it was loaded, i would have expected both wade and bosh to average 20+ PPG but that obviously wasn't the case and win every series in 5-6 games... i hate how people always overlook the fact that lebron leads the team in almost every major statistical category yet the teams were loaded

[kennethgriffin]

Sure...he's right there with hakeem/lebron for that spot for me.

Unless Lebron never plays again or something...it's just a formality for him to be put over Kobe though.

But meh...he's pretty much top 11 for sure....same thing.


you sound somewhat reasonable... but thank god most of the world views kobe as right there with guys like jordan/magic/bird

duncan is nowhere near kobe in the real world. just on message boards

at best kobe is top 5... at worst kobe will be top 7.. no matter what lebron or duncan do the rest of their careers

[Fudge]

I do. I probably still have him ahead of LeBron at this point.

[ArbitraryWater]

Meh....I need to see another title from Lebron before I put him over Kobe.

2 out of 4 on these loaded Heat teams in one of the weakest conferences I can remember...and not playing all time great finals teams either...

Meh...just average to me.

:facepalm You really believe this crap?

2012 Thunder and 2013 Spurs >> Any Finals Team that Jordan played... PLEASE.

2011 was loaded.. but since? ugh

So loaded... while in 2013 the 2nd option averages 16 ppg, the 3rd option averages 12 ppg... Looks like Duncan's 2003/Dirk's 2011 support. At the same time beats Bulls/Celtics/Pacers, all great teams.. while putting up 30/7/7 on 50+% with great defense... It's not close, really.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Here are alltime lists I found before on google search:

8th - http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-players-in-NBA-history

8th - http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/top-10-nba-players-of-all-time.html

7th - http://www.sportscity.com/whos-the-best-of-all-time-the-top-10-players-in-nba-history/2013/04/05/

7th - http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2013/12/top-ten-greatest-nba-players?page=5

10th - http://www.basesandbaskets.com/2012/12/greatest-nba-players-of-all-time.html?m=1

7th - http://www.clicktop10.com/2013/05/top-10-best-nba-players-of-all-time/

7th - http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2013/03/top-50-nba-players-of-all-time/#45

7th - http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/404920-the-nbas-top-50-players-of-all-time

9th - http://basketballjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/07/ranking-top-100-players-in-nba-history.html?m=1

6th - http://www.celticslife.com/2013/01/ranking-top-ten-players-in-nba-history.html?m=1

5th - http://waldersworldofsports.com/2011/11/11/walder-top-10-greatest-players-in-nba-history/

8th - http://www.interbasket.net/news/6831/2010/06/jordan-magic-bird-in-top-5-nba-players-all-time-kobe-bryant-8/

10th - http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/slam_500_greatest.html

10th - http://www.basesandbaskets.com/2012/12/greatest-nba-players-of-all-time.html?m=1

7th/8th - http://grantland.com/features/the-kobe-question/

[Magic 32]

At the same time beats Bulls/Celtics/Pacers, all great teams

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[Mr Feeny]

:facepalm You really believe this crap?

2012 Thunder and 2013 Spurs >> Any Finals Team that Jordan played... PLEASE.

2011 was loaded.. but since? ugh

So loaded... while in 2013 the 2nd option averages 16 ppg, the 3rd option averages 12 ppg... Looks like Duncan's 2003/Dirk's 2011 support. At the same time beats Bulls/Celtics/Pacers, all great teams.. while putting up 30/7/7 on 50+% with great defense... It's not close, really.Oh boy. Good job exposing ur age. 93 Suns and 98 Jazz would have FEASTED on the 2012 Thunder.
As far as the 2013 Spurs are concerned, if ur getting nullified by Boris Diaw on single coverage then that doesnt help ur make ur case as a GOAT.

Cheers pha@ggot

[ArbitraryWater]

Just barely. If LeBron wins another ring, I replace Kobe with Bran.

LeBron about to end about his 11th season and you think of letting him squeek into the top 10.......... :facepalm

He's done far more, ALREADY, than others, you have ahead of him.. Kobe being one.

[T_L_P]

lol i don't get why people keep saying these heat teams are loaded, 2011 is a different case but 2012 and 2013 is nothing anywhere near "loaded"

if it was loaded, i would have expected both wade and bosh to average 20+ PPG but that obviously wasn't the case and win every series in 5-6 games... i hate how people always overlook the fact that lebron leads the team in almost every major statistical category yet the teams were loaded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZhm0wcwn0c

I imagine LeBron and Pat sat Bosh down when he took his talents to South Bitch and told him, "Those rebounds you were getting up in Toronto. They're mine now."

Of course LeBron leads in all major statistically categories. ;)

[Carbine]

Meh....I need to see another title from Lebron before I put him over Kobe.

2 out of 4 on these loaded Heat teams in one of the weakest conferences I can remember...and not playing all time great finals teams either...

Meh...just average to me.

If the Heat win this year...I'll officially move Lebron over Kobe. But if he disspaoints in the finals again and they lose.

Just not enough yet to vault him over Kobe. He'd be 2 of 5 in the finals and he'd have at least 2 all time bad performances in 07 and 11....and that is without even talking about the ghost series he played last year until the 4th qtr of game 6.

I don't like to predict the future much. This is a big legacy year for Lebron in the sense of moving up over the likes of Kobe/Shaq/Hakeem/Bird...etc. for me.


The Heat are only loaded by reputation. Not reality.

Do they have a championship level supporting cast for Lebron? Yes, clearly.

But it's not the best in the league. It's certainly not anywhere close historically. Bosh average 13/7.5 over the two title teams. He put up zero points in game 7. He's doing 14/5 in these playoffs..........

Wade wasn't even a 2000 Kobe or 2005 Gino in the title last year. He put up 16/5/4.5.......in 36 minutes a game. He was one of the wort second options of the last 20 years. He's playing at a similar level for this run so far.

In 2012 Wade was similar to a 2005 Manu. That's really good.....but not like Shaq had with a '01 or '02 Kobe.

The rest of the guys 4 thru 10 are all replaceable level players.

[T_L_P]

you sound somewhat reasonable... but thank god most of the world views kobe as right there with guys like jordan/magic/bird

duncan is nowhere near kobe in the real world. just on message boards

at best kobe is top 5... at worst kobe will be top 7.. no matter what lebron or duncan do the rest of their careers

The entire TNT crew agreed that Duncan and Shaq were the best players of the decade. And what Duncan did from 98 (and 99 depending on how how you view the decade) and 2010-14 is better than what Kobe did (though this is mainly due to injuries on Kobe's behalf).

Stop acting like the only people who rank Duncan ahead of Kobe are forum posters. The fact of the matter is reporters ask previous players about Kobe and they are inclined to answer.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron about to end about his 11th season and you think of letting him squeek into the top 10.......... :facepalm

He's done far more, ALREADY, than others, you have ahead of him.. Kobe being one.
hes a great poster but he has to show this board how unbiased and anti lebron stanning he is CONSTANTLY:oldlol: :oldlol:
we know it by now:coleman:

[Mr Feeny]

The entire TNT crew agreed that Duncan and Shaq were the best players of the decade. And what Duncan did from 98 (and 99 depending on how how you view the decade) and 2010-14 is better than what Koactuallly tough this is mainly due to injuries on Kobe's behalf).

Stop acting like the only people who rank Duncan ahead of Kobe are forum posters. The fact of the matter is reporters ask previous players about Kobe and they are inclined to answer.

He's a troll. Almost anybody who understands anything about basketball has both Shaq and Duncan ahead of Kobe. He believes that if he repeats his drivel enough people will start to believe it. I think he might actually believe his Kobe 》 Shaq/Duncan crap:oldlol:

Sorry Kenny. Nobody in the real world believes that.

[DMAVS41]

The Heat are only loaded by reputation. Not reality.

Do they have a championship level supporting cast for Lebron? Yes, clearly.

But it's not the best in the league. It's certainly not anywhere close historically. Bosh average 13/7.5 over the two title teams. He put up zero points in game 7. He's doing 14/5 in these playoffs..........

Wade wasn't even a 2000 Kobe or 2005 Gino in the title last year. He put up 16/5/4.5.......in 36 minutes a game. He was one of the wort second options of the last 20 years. He's playing at a similar level for this run so far.

In 2012 Wade was similar to a 2005 Manu. That's really good.....but not like Shaq had with a '01 or '02 Kobe.

The rest of the guys 4 thru 10 are all replaceable level players.

It's in relation to the competition.

Look...they East has been a total joke since 2011. You people just don't get it...you don't get how much harder it is to play real teams while you get to the finals. It's so much easier...less wear and tear...fresher legs. It matters a ton and we can't just ignore the cakewalk to the finals since 11.

Funny how...in 11...they had to beat real teams...and even though the Heat dominated them...they ran up against a wall in the finals.

But it's not even about any of that. Winning 2 titles in 4 years (if the Heat lose this year) is just average. It is absolutely not special given their circumstances. You'd expect that out of all the top players of all time in the heart of their prime. Pair Barkley with the Wade/Bosh equivalent in the heart of his prime and the over under in 4 years on the Heat is 2 titles.

That is what we can't ignore. 2011 happened....and the Heat should already have a 3 peat. LEbron choked and cost his team the title. If they were to not win this year...that will loom quite large for his legacy at the moment.

A win this year doesn't erase it, but pretty much cancels it out as 3 titles and 4 finals appearances in the first 4 years together is fantastic regardless of competition level.

But 2 in 4? With at least 1 finals being an epic choke job? Nah...that is average or slightly below expectations given the circumstances of the team and league.

[creepingdeath]

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"Look at OP.
Just look.
Das right, he a ******."

[kennethgriffin]

The entire TNT crew agreed that Duncan and Shaq were the best players of the decade. And what Duncan did from 98 (and 99 depending on how how you view the decade) and 2010-14 is better than what Kobe did (though this is mainly due to injuries on Kobe's behalf).

Stop acting like the only people who rank Duncan ahead of Kobe are forum posters. The fact of the matter is reporters ask previous players about Kobe and they are inclined to answer.


link?

i have a link where chuck says kobes top 5

and another link where shaq says kobe > himself

but its a what have you done for me lately society. and duncan losing in the finals is better than kobe winning 3 straight, then 2 straight and 5 overall

and theyre big men themselves. they like to prop up other bigs.

that and hype up current things/storylines. thats what broadcasters are paid to do


fact is nearly every poll that ive seen has kobe over duncan

[ArbitraryWater]

hes a great poster but he has to show this board how unbiased and anti lebron stanning he is CONSTANTLY:oldlol: :oldlol:
we know it by now:coleman:


I also like this other retard on here who thinks the 93 Suns would "FEAST" on the 2012 Thunder :oldlol:

A team that doesn't play defense would feast on Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden? Those be gettin' buckets you can count on that :oldlol:

That youngin need to learn..

[NumberSix]

It's in relation to the competition.

Look...they East has been a total joke since 2011. You people just don't get it...you don't get how much harder it is to play real teams while you get to the finals. It's so much easier...less wear and tear...fresher legs. It matters a ton and we can't just ignore the cakewalk to the finals since 11.

Funny how...in 11...they had to beat real teams...and even though the Heat dominated them...they ran up against a wall in the finals.

But it's not even about any of that. Winning 2 titles in 4 years (if the Heat lose this year) is just average. It is absolutely not special given their circumstances. You'd expect that out of all the top players of all time in the heart of their prime. Pair Barkley with the Wade/Bosh equivalent in the heart of his prime and the over under in 4 years on the Heat is 2 titles.

That is what we can't ignore. 2011 happened....and the Heat should already have a 3 peat. LEbron choked and cost his team the title. If they were to not win this year...that will loom quite large for his legacy at the moment.

A win this year doesn't erase it, but pretty much cancels it out as 3 titles and 4 finals appearances in the first 4 years together is fantastic regardless of competition level.

But 2 in 4? With at least 1 finals being an epic choke job? Nah...that is average or slightly below expectations given the circumstances of the team and league.
Meh. In 2011, Boston and Chicago were "real teams".

[DMAVS41]

Meh. In 2011, Boston and Chicago were "real teams".

That's what I just said.

[TheMarkMadsen]

The entire TNT crew agreed that Duncan and Shaq were the best players of the decade. And what Duncan did from 98 (and 99 depending on how how you view the decade) and 2010-14 is better than what Kobe did (though this is mainly due to injuries on Kobe's behalf).

Stop acting like the only people who rank Duncan ahead of Kobe are forum posters. The fact of the matter is reporters ask previous players about Kobe and they are inclined to answer.


TNT ranked Kobe as the player of the decade.

[ArbitraryWater]

It's in relation to the competition.

Look...they East has been a total joke since 2011.

:roll: :roll:

So the Pacers and Bulls were on pace for 50 wins just like that, right? And the C's for 49? Stop this Stupidity, bro... Even in 2013 and 2014 you still had the 50 win Pacers.

I mean, hell, in 2012 the Pacers had the 5th best record in the league and you're talking about joke competition? Dafuq :wtf:

[NumberSix]

That's what I just said.
Didn't read.

[T_L_P]

link?

i have a link where chuck says kobes top 5

and another link where shaq says kobe > himself

but its a what have you done for me lately society. and duncan losing in the finals is better than kobe winning 3 straight, then 2 straight and 5 overall

and theyre big men themselves. they like to prop up other bigs.

that and hype up current things/storylines. thats what broadcasters are paid to do


fact is nearly every poll that ive seen has kobe over duncan

Starts around 1:40:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3s9liFrHWQ

They scoff at the idea of Kobe being the player of the decade.

Most of those polls are voted by the casual fan, or the Lakers fans (there's a lot of them, you know), many of whom may not have even heard Duncan's name before. I'm not saying Kobe can't be the player of the decade, his generation, etc. What I'm saying is you're being unfair.

[T_L_P]

TNT ranked Kobe as the player of the decade.

TNT viewers. The analysts all agreed it was Shaq and Duncan. Not only that, they pretty much wrote off the Kobe voters as silly casuals (which, let's face it, most of them are).

1:40 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3s9liFrHWQ

[Magic 32]

TNT viewers. The analysts all agreed it was Shaq and Duncan. Not only that, they pretty much wrote off the Kobe voters as silly casuals (which, let's face it, most of them are).

1:40 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3s9liFrHWQ

Funny thing is..... they're wrong.

If we were talking about 95-05, then Shaq would win easily.

But how can he be the best player in a decade where you stopped being top 5 halfway through (05-06 >)

[Mr Feeny]

Arbitrary Water]I also like this other retard on here who thinks the 93 Suns would "FEAST" on the 2012 Thunder :oldlol:

A team that doesn't play defense would feast on Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden? Those be gettin' buckets you can count on that :oldlol:

That youngin need to learn..

Awww poor baby getting her panties in a bunch? :oldlol:
Don't throw ur toys out of the pram now. We all know you weren't alive to watch those teams.

Mmm# 17> 13. 4B'D> 2B'D. 5> 2.

Mmkthxbte

[Mr Feeny]

Funny thing is..... they're wrong.

If we were talking about 95-05, then Shaq would win easily.

But how can he be the best player in a decade where you stopped being top 5 halfway through (05-06 >)Maybe he did more in those 6 years then Kobe did in 10?:cheers: