Andrew Wiggins = Shawn Marion

[iamgine]

Don't you think so?

Elite defender, elite athlete, can't create own shot, great in fastbreak and transition.

It's not a knock either since Marion clearly was an elite player. #1 fantasy player for many many years.

[PickernRoller]

Lebron killer. There is hope I guess.

[Cocaine80s]

Agreed. Zach Lavine>> Wiggins easily

[maybeshewill13]

I think he'll be a bust compared to expectations. You could be right with the comparison OP.

[JohnMax]

So what your saying is the Cavaliers should hire Mike D'Antoni and trade for Steve Nash?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Is this a troll or are you being completely serious?
Marion wasn't elite but he was definitely a very good player. Defensively I would call him elite.

[maybeshewill13]

The Suns used to the most fun team to play in NBA Live. Marion dunks, Amare dunks, Nash/Barbosa/Bell threes :bowdown:

[East_Stone_Ya]

hell no

[RedBlackAttack]

So what your saying is the Cavaliers should hire Mike D'Antoni and trade for Steve Nash?
Why? Embiid is quite obviously the pick.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Why? Embiid is quite obviously the pick.
Agreed. As long as he checks out medically it seems like a no-brainer. I really think he has the potential to be the best center in the league eventually.

[JtotheIzzo]

Andrew Wiggins is already better than peak Marion, so I guess your comparison falls a bit short.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Andrew Wiggins is already better than peak Marion, so I guess your comparison falls a bit short.
:biggums:

[JtotheIzzo]

:biggums:

Marion relied almost exclusive on athleticism, Wiggins is a better athlete today than Marion ever was.

Before the kid plays his first game we will have compared him to every 3 to have played in the modern era, we need to nip soe of these nonsense comparisons, like calling him Shawn Marion in the bud.

Don't feed the trolls.

[Im Still Ballin]

Terrible comparison.

Aaron Gordon = Shawn Marion

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Marion relied almost exclusive on athleticism, Wiggins is a better athlete today than Marion ever was.

Before the kid plays his first game we will have compared him to every 3 to have played in the modern era, we need to nip soe of these nonsense comparisons, like calling him Shawn Marion in the bud.

Don't feed the trolls.
Shawn Marion was like a 20/10 (yes i realize that the suns were a fast team) player in his prime, with good defense. You think Wiggins in his rookie year replicates that?

[JtotheIzzo]

Shawn Marion was like a 20/10 (yes i realize that the suns were a fast team) player in his prime, with good defense. You think Wiggins in his rookie year replicates that?

If he had Nash and D'Antoni he'd kill it (look what runners like Barbosa did on that team).

Here is Wiggins (one dribble from half):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlyuIIXLbCE

Now imagine that filling the lane. Jesus, imagine that with prime Amare, JJ and Nash!!!:eek:

[SyRyanYang]

If he had Nash and D'Antoni he'd kill it (look what runners like Barbosa did on that team).

Here is Wiggins (one dribble from half):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlyuIIXLbCE

Now imagine that filling the lane. Jesus, imagine that with prime Amare, JJ and Nash!!!:eek:

One dribble because he traveled lol

[Marlo_Stanfield]

"cant create own shot"
just how retarded are you OP??:biggums: :wtf:

[Lebron23]

I'll judge his nba career after his 3rd nba season.

[brantonli]

Marion relied almost exclusive on athleticism, Wiggins is a better athlete today than Marion ever was.

Before the kid plays his first game we will have compared him to every 3 to have played in the modern era, we need to nip soe of these nonsense comparisons, like calling him Shawn Marion in the bud.

Don't feed the trolls.

Athleticism isn't the end all, or else Gerald green, Terence williams, tyrus thomas, would be superstars already.

[JonatanRey]

I dont have the right to make new threads so... If you knew Marion was coming in this draft, which players would you select before him?

[DukeDelonte13]

"cant create own shot"
just how retarded are you OP??:biggums: :wtf:


well you can at least agree he's not as polished as jabari in that department.


Wiggins kinda reminds me of the Harrison Barnes draft story.

Sooooo much hype as the next great SF coming out of HS, goes to college and does pretty darn good, but not great... Knocks on both were inability to create for themselves and a passive mentality.

[ILLsmak]

If he had Nash and D'Antoni he'd kill it (look what runners like Barbosa did on that team).

Here is Wiggins (one dribble from half):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlyuIIXLbCE

Now imagine that filling the lane. Jesus, imagine that with prime Amare, JJ and Nash!!!:eek:

I think Marion is also a pretty smart player.

-Smak

[JtotheIzzo]

Athleticism isn't the end all, or else Gerald green, Terence williams, tyrus thomas, would be superstars already.

Agree, but Wiggins is much more than just an athlete. Also the statement was putting him in the Phoenix system, look at how Gerald Green (just an athlete) reinvented himself and thrived in a similar up tempo scheme. Went from end of the bench fodder to 15.8ppg. So it is safe to say Wiggins could do a bit better than that (Seeing how he is the best athlete since LeBron) which is probably around where Marion is. Plus Wiggins is a better defender, and shoots the three ball at a decent clip, which matters even more now than it did when Marion was putting up his best numbers.

Stick to the statements wee laddy.

[Jameerthefear]

how do you know wiggins is the better defender wtf? ur just making shit up now.

[Jailblazers7]

I think Wiggins could turn out to be truly special but I think he would benefit greatly from falling into the right situation. Example, I think his career development could mirror Scottie Pippen's pretty closely if he finds a mentor to push him like Scottie had MJ. Unfortunately, the Cavs/Bucks/Sixers don't really have anyone close to that.

I think Brett Brown would probably be the best coach for him tho.

[JtotheIzzo]

how do you know wiggins is the better defender wtf? ur just making shit up now.

Because I watched both of them play:confusedshrug:

[JohnMax]

Andrew Wiggins the Next Lebron James! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7VFee5xgSI)

Sports Science shows that Andrew Wiggins has the chance and potential to become the Next Lebron James!!!!

[D-Rose]

Andrew Wiggins is already better than peak Marion, so I guess your comparison falls a bit short.
Hell no. Marion was an elite defender and true scorer in the league. If he played anywhere other than PHX in his absolute prime, his D would be more appreciated. If Marion is Wiggins comparison, that's not bad at all.

[plowking]

Marion his comparison? lol...

Wiggins most definitely can create for himself. He has one of the best first steps in the history of basketball, and that isn't an overstatement. Comparing him to guys who were just athletes? Seriously?

This kid is winning the ROY. He is easily the best player in the draft by the way. Wiggins has more talent in his pinky finger than Marion does his entire body. He is not on his level as an athlete, or as an offensive talent. Wiggins' offensive game is more polished now than Marion's ever was.

[StephHamann]

he was frigging good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBFRtz8WYY4

:bowdown:

[HomieWeMajor]

Andrew Wiggins = Gerald Wallace with better hops

[Jailblazers7]

Andrew Wiggins = Gerald Wallace with better hops

I think Gerald Wallace is pretty much Wiggins' floor. Worst case scenario is probably a better version of Gerald Wallace. Best case is Scottie Pippen or maybe a better defensive/less offensively gifted Grant Hill.

[Nastradamus]

Wiggins and Marion have a ton of similarities for sure. Marion was a star though. Put that kid with Kyrie and let him run.

[kshutts1]

I dont have the right to make new threads so... If you knew Marion was coming in this draft, which players would you select before him?
If I knew absolutely what the "Marion" player would be and become, and still did not know anyone else, I'd take Marion first overall.

And wow. People seriously need to calm down on the hype. Kid had a subpar freshman year at college. How many other top notch talents and athletes flamed out, or didn't hit the expectations?

[bballnoob1192]

Andrew Wiggins the Next Lebron James! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7VFee5xgSI)

Sports Science shows that Andrew Wiggins has the chance and potential to become the Next Lebron James!!!!

Durant 1 inch taller than Wiggins :facepalm :roll: :roll: :biggums: :coleman: :kobe: :whatever: :crazysam: :durantunimpressed:

[D-FENS]

Wiggins can shoot.

People comparing Marion to Wiggins and Gordon??
I guess so, but it's an evolution.

Wiggins (defense + athlete + above average shot)
Marion (defense + athlete + average shot)
Gordon (defense + athlete + no shot)

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Agreed. Zach Lavine>> Wiggins easily

Please never become a scout.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Don't you think so?

Elite defender, elite athlete, can't create own shot, great in fastbreak and transition.

It's not a knock either since Marion clearly was an elite player. #1 fantasy player for many many years.

You could have bilndfolded Jordan at the three point line in college and he probably would have hit more 3s. I never judge a college player that quickly on not creating their own shot. He played for a high octane team and still averaged 15ppg+. I would say he lacks assertiveness not a lack of ability to create his own shot.

[dreamwarrior]

They are very similar, but if he ends up being Shawn Marion I'll consider him a success. I think he's a little more intelligent though. And at this point if you think he's going to become that once in a blue moon 30ppg player it's obvious that's not going to be the case.

[PP34Deuce]

Terrible comparison.

Aaron Gordon = Shawn Marion

I like this comparison better but I feel like Aaron Gordon will be what Michael Beasley was suppose to be

[PP34Deuce]

Wiggins needs to be on a team that can run

[fatboy11]

I think he'll fall somewhere between Loul Deng and Paul George as a safe comparision. He has a very real chance at being an All-Defense selection most years once he gets going. Provided he stays healthy, he'll be able to average 15+ every year on athleticism alone. I figure his shot develops as has happened with a number of elite talents as they transitioned to the NBA. The bigger questions for me are his aggressiveness and ability to go left and create with the ball in his hands in the half-court setting.

Don't like the comparisons to HOFers when a player has so many questions, and Wiggins does have a number of questions with his game. Legit questions. In cases like that, I like to let the player play themselves into those comparisons and I don't think Wiggins has earned that right yet.

[JonatanRey]

If I knew absolutely what the "Marion" player would be and become, and still did not know anyone else, I'd take Marion first overall.

And wow. People seriously need to calm down on the hype. Kid had a subpar freshman year at college. How many other top notch talents and athletes flamed out, or didn't hit the expectations?

Thank you. I dont understand all comments putting these boys over players who have had such an impact in the game... Anyway, I havent seen them as much to really know how capable they could be. Neither most of you, those kids havent played a NBA game yet. Putting them over peak Marion its too much to say.

[JtotheIzzo]

If I knew absolutely what the "Marion" player would be and become, and still did not know anyone else, I'd take Marion first overall.

And wow. People seriously need to calm down on the hype. Kid had a subpar freshman year at college. How many other top notch talents and athletes flamed out, or didn't hit the expectations?

First team all Big 12, runner up Big 12 POY and Big 12 FOY.

How dare he!!!!!

[bizil]

Let's look at what peak Marion brought to the table:

Freak athlete, ABSOLUTELY on the first tier at his best
Can play or defend SG, SF, and PF
Peak wise getting 22.8 points and 11.8 rebounds

Wiggins for me is more of your true swingman type sort of in the mold of Paul George for now. Two totally different players. I view George's ultimate upside as a mix between T-Mac and Scottie Pippen if he can improve his alpha scoring capabilities. I see Wiggins upside similar and likely even higher than that. As some one stated earlier, Aaron Gordon is more like a Shawn Marion, Andrei Kirilenko, or Josh Smith. The guys who aren't really number one options, but still capable of All Star level production and very valuable in terms of boards, defensive versatility, and great finishing ability in transiton.

[Cocaine80s]

Lavine tho>>>

[JohnMax]

Wiggins is skinny and avoids contact.

Marion is big and strong.

If Wiggins had his body, he'd bullrush the rim like Russell Westbrook. That alone should tell you Wiggins is the better slasher and athlete.

[R.I.P.]

Andrew Wiggins is already better than peak Marion, so I guess your comparison falls a bit short.



Some people. :facepalm :facepalm