Lebron James will go down as the GOAT

[ImKobe]

I'm a huge Kobe fan and I've followed Kobe all his career, but I've also had the chance to see LeBron grow all these years and I honestly didn't see it happening back in his Cleveland days and I did despise him for doing what he did in 2010 and I was disappointed in him even more when he choked in the 2011 Finals, but I've seen enough now to realize that he's easily on pace to take MJ's place as the greatest.

Kobe had a great career and he won 5 titles, but he never did it the way Lebron has done it these past 3 years. Ever since Lebron was humiliated in the 2011 Finals, he has stepped his game up to a whole 'nother level. The numbers he's putting up are mind-boggling and watching him is like watching Floyd Mayweather box. It's so effortless. There's no one to stop him. Though unlike Floyd, Lebron did not run away from adversity(Floyd ducking Manny). Lebron took all the humiliation the media and the fans gave him after 2011 and he turned it into someting special.

You might have seen me root against him on these boards and making fun of him whenever he misses an easy shot, but I'm done hating/clowning on this man. We are taking him for granted. He is the ultimate superstar both on and off the court. I'm rooting for him to win as many games, break as many records and win as many titles possible. This goes beyond the greatness of Kobe Bryant. People might question James' heart and killer instinct in 4th quarters but they disregard his whole body of work. They want him to shoot contested jumpers like he's Kevin Durant or Russell Westbrook. Why bother doing all that shit when he can just dunk it or dish it out to a wide open 3pt shooter?

Anyways, I'm calling it - Lebron will go down as the greatest basketball player of all-time. It's just that simple. He's putting up 29/7/5/2 on 67%TS and 32.2 PER, he is on pace to have one of the all-time great Championship runs by statistical measurements. MJ, in his greatest Playoff run ('91), finished with a 32 PER and 60%TS, Lebron is about to shatter that.

#3Peat

[Haymaker]

What's the obsession with stats?

[Magic 32]

http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/02/boris-diaw-pictures.jpg

[BlkMambaGOAT]

I'm a huge Kobe fan and I've followed Kobe all his career, but I've also had the chance to see LeBron grow all these years and I honestly didn't see it happening back in his Cleveland days and I did despise him for doing what he did in 2010 and I was disappointed in him even more when he choked in the 2011 Finals, but I've seen enough now to realize that he's easily on pace to take MJ's place as the greatest.

Kobe had a great career and he won 5 titles, but he never did it the way Lebron has done it these past 3 years. Ever since Lebron was humiliated in the 2011 Finals, he has stepped his game up to a whole 'nother level. The numbers he's putting up are mind-boggling and watching him is like watching Floyd Mayweather box. It's so effortless. There's no one to stop him. Though unlike Floyd, Lebron did not run away from adversity(Floyd ducking Manny). Lebron took all the humiliation the media and the fans gave him after 2011 and he turned it into someting special.

You might have seen me root against him on these boards and making fun of him whenever he misses an easy shot, but I'm done hating/clowning on this man. We are taking him for granted. He is the ultimate superstar both on and off the court. I'm rooting for him to win as many games, break as many records and win as many titles possible. This goes beyond the greatness of Kobe Bryant. People might question James' heart and killer instinct in 4th quarters but they disregard his whole body of work. They want him to shoot contested jumpers like he's Kevin Durant or Russell Westbrook. Why bother doing all that shit when he can just dunk it or dish it out to a wide open 3pt shooter?

Anyways, I'm calling it - Lebron will go down as the greatest basketball player of all-time. It's just that simple. He's putting up 29/7/5/2 on 67%TS and 32.2 PER, he is on pace to have one of the all-time great Championship runs by statistical measurements. MJ, in his greatest Playoff run ('91), finished with a 32 PER and 60%TS, Lebron is about to shatter that.

#3Peat
Who's hacking this time?:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[ImKobe]

What's the obsession with stats?

Just appreciate what this man is doing. He is making it look so easy. Even MJ didn't do it this well. Sure, MJ was better at making tough shots and unbeliveably acrobatic layups, but Lebron does it his way, and he's more efficient.

[VengefulAngel]

I'm a huge Kobe fan and I've followed Kobe all his career, but I've also had the chance to see LeBron grow all these years and I honestly didn't see it happening back in his Cleveland days and I did despise him for doing what he did in 2010 and I was disappointed in him even more when he choked in the 2011 Finals, but I've seen enough now to realize that he's easily on pace to take MJ's place as the greatest.

Kobe had a great career and he won 5 titles, but he never did it the way Lebron has done it these past 3 years. Ever since Lebron was humiliated in the 2011 Finals, he has stepped his game up to a whole 'nother level. The numbers he's putting up are mind-boggling and watching him is like watching Floyd Mayweather box. It's so effortless. There's no one to stop him. Though unlike Floyd, Lebron did not run away from adversity(Floyd ducking Manny). Lebron took all the humiliation the media and the fans gave him after 2011 and he turned it into someting special.

You might have seen me root against him on these boards and making fun of him whenever he misses an easy shot, but I'm done hating/clowning on this man. We are taking him for granted. He is the ultimate superstar both on and off the court. I'm rooting for him to win as many games, break as many records and win as many titles possible. This goes beyond the greatness of Kobe Bryant. People might question James' heart and killer instinct in 4th quarters but they disregard his whole body of work. They want him to shoot contested jumpers like he's Kevin Durant or Russell Westbrook. Why bother doing all that shit when he can just dunk it or dish it out to a wide open 3pt shooter?

Anyways, I'm calling it - Lebron will go down as the greatest basketball player of all-time. It's just that simple. He's putting up 29/7/5/2 on 67%TS and 32.2 PER, he is on pace to have one of the all-time great Championship runs by statistical measurements. MJ, in his greatest Playoff run ('91), finished with a 32 PER and 60%TS, Lebron is about to shatter that.

#3Peat

Still don't believe he'll catch MJ, but this post was applause worthy.

:applause: :applause:

[Solefade]

a very nice and objective post by OP who is a known kobe stan, didn't know you were capable for this :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

Respect... Maybe you can stop the flip flopping/inconsistency in your posts now... I'd legit respect you if you would bro :cheers:

[navy]

Must be a Jordan diss.

[TheMan]

Let's just wait and see. We are too much prisoners of the moment. If LBJ leads his team to another chip, he'll be clamored as the GOAT, if he loses in the Finals, he'll get clowned.

There's a middle ground and we really do need to let him do his stuff and we can compare his career with the other greats.

[ImKobe]

Must be a Jordan diss.

I'm giving Lebron his due. Do you see what this man is doing right now? Go watch the last game against Indiana. He wrecked them, he took their soul.

[DuMa]

no new bandwagoning fgts

[VengefulAngel]

I'm giving Lebron his due. Do you see what this man is doing right now? Go watch the last game against Indiana. He wrecked them, he took their soul.

:eek:, this is either the greatest troll attempt ever or the greatest realization ever.

[CelticBaller]

Must be a Jordan diss.
Seriously

Kobe fans be snake dissing

[ImKobe]

Seriously

Kobe fans be snake dissing

How does this work for me? I must be dissing Kobe as well.

I love me some Kobe and I'm always rooting for the Lakers, but my franchise is currently not in a position to win any titles. I have been optimistic ever since Mavs swept us in 2011 and I've had high hopes that Kobe would return to his old form and we somehow hit a home run in the draft and in the FA, but the chances of that happening are slim to none.

I'm still going to defend Kobe and make nonsensical arguments as to why he's better than Duncan & Shaq, but I'm not going to deny what LBJ is doing..

[Fudge]

:roll:

This n!gga low key trolling everybody.

[robert_shaww]

https://rixxblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/fan_bandwagon_clean1.gif

[GODbe]

GOAT troll :applause:

[Magic 32]

brilliant trolling :cheers:

[Levity]

quite possibly. however, its way too early to make that assumption. We still need to see how he will adjust his game once his athleticism settles. but if he continues down the same path as he has the past 9 years, he definitely has a great shot.

but you always will have people harping over the fact that in his PRIME, he joined two other superstars at that time(yes, i know wade and bosh arent top 5 players at this point, but when they joined up, it could have been argued they were). that will always leave a sour taste in the mouths of fans.

[rhythmic]

:roll:

[Solefade]

lol laker fans comin in to call this dude a troll as if OP wasn't posting facts

[ArbitraryWater]

How does this work for me? I must be dissing Kobe as well.

I love me some Kobe and I'm always rooting for the Lakers, but my franchise is currently not in a position to win any titles. I have been optimistic ever since Mavs swept us in 2011 and I've had high hopes that Kobe would return to his old form and we somehow hit a home run in the draft and in the FA, but the chances of that happening are slim to none.

I'm still going to defend Kobe and make nonsensical arguments as to why he's better than Duncan & Shaq, but I'm not going to deny what LBJ is doing..

:eek: I knew deep-down you know the truth :lol Too smart :applause:

[Magic 32]

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt2bya68O21r4et2ho1_400.png

[Jailblazers7]

quite possibly. however, its way too early to make that assumption. We still need to see how he will adjust his game once his athleticism settles. but if he continues down the same path as he has the past 9 years, he definitely has a great shot.

but you always will have people harping over the fact that in his PRIME, he joined two other superstars at that time(yes, i know wade and bosh arent top 5 players at this point, but when they joined up, it could have been argued they were). that will always leave a sour taste in the mouths of fans.

Yeah, the last part is true even if I don't personally agree with it. If he stays healthy and plays til he's 35ish? Yeah, he has a fantastic opportunity to go down as the greatest player of all time.

[ImKobe]

quite possibly. however, its way too early to make that assumption. We still need to see how he will adjust his game once his athleticism settles. but if he continues down the same path as he has the past 9 years, he definitely has a great shot.

but you always will have people harping over the fact that in his PRIME, he joined two other superstars at that time(yes, i know wade and bosh arent top 5 players at this point, but when they joined up, it could have been argued they were). that will always leave a sour taste in the mouths of fans.

He's obviously on pace and The Decision and the 2011 Finals did hurt his chances, but he's been redeeming himself ever since. If injuries don't happen and Miami manages to put together a solid supporting cast in the future, it will happen. He's about to go to his 4th straight Finals - something MJ, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq never did.

[Magic 32]

4th straight Finals - something MJ, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq never did.

baseball + WC + WC +WC

[ImKobe]

baseball + WC + WC +WC
MJ returned from baseball and lost in the 2nd round.

[Magic 32]

MJ returned from baseball and lost in the 2nd round.

rusty

[Keno]

kobe stans finally seeing the light. respect.

[ImKobe]

rusty

Still, he had a game with 19 points on 22 shots and 8 turnovers and lost the last game of the Playoffs by 6 pts on his home floor while shooting 42%. 94 Bulls without MJ were a bad call away from the ECF and possibly the Finals. How the hell did they get worse with MJ? :coleman:

[ArbitraryWater]

rusty

this dude got an excuse lined up for everything :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRhp_tsUI7U

[DFish24]

Atleast wait till dude has a winning record in the Finals.

[oh the horror]

Jordan was good at "making shots and acrobatic layups"


YouTube huh?

[J Shuttlesworth]

OP, are you under 12.5% body fat? If so, you're in the LeBron camp :cheers:

[ImKobe]

Jordan was good at "making shots and acrobatic layups"


YouTube huh?

No, I'm saying that Lebron is a more efficient scorer than MJ. MJ could obviously make plays as well and he was in my opinion a better leader, but Lebron is more complete as a player and his playmaking is ahead of Jordan's. I'm just being honest here.

This thread is not about taking credit away from MJ. This is about Lebron. MJ is currently the GOAT. This is just my opinion. ONE poster's opinion on a basketball forum. You don't have to like it, but it's how I see it.

[tmacattack33]

Wow. Crazy.

I don't really remember too many ppl on here...i just look at the posts and the topics, not the sn.

But i remember this guy, and he was a huge kobe fan/lebron hater. I wonder what happened.

[MMM]

LeBron might just go down as the GOAT but for me it just shows how ridiculous NBA fans are and not because LeBron isn't one of the greatest talents ever but that people take rankings so serious.

All time rankings are such an illogical process yet that is all you people talk about. Over the years narrative change, details forgotten, heck great players get erased from history and forgotten. How can anyone take any of that seriously but more importantly why is it NBA fans that act like this????

[ImKobe]

LeBron might just go down as the GOAT but for me it just shows how ridiculous NBA fans are and not because LeBron isn't one of the greatest talents ever but that people take rankings so serious.

All time rankings are such an illogical process yet that is all you people talk about. Over the years narrative change, details forgotten, heck great players get erased from history and forgotten. How can anyone take any of that seriously but more importantly why is it NBA fans that act like this????

I appreciate every all-time great, but what Lebron is doing is something I have never seen anyone do before. Debating over all-time rankings is obviously one of the most useless things a human being could do. It contributes 0 to society and it wastes the time we could have spent on contributing to our society. I will hold back on fighting over rankings. It's just my personal opinion that when it's all said and done - this man will be at the top of the mountain.

[AceManIII]

But I thought Wilt was the GOAT :coleman:

[Magic 32]

but Lebron is more complete as a player

http://i.minus.com/is0ppYV4h9btB.gif
http://i.minus.com/ibnX1F0TfhfYf7.gif

[East_Stone_Ya]

Jordan was good at "making shots and acrobatic layups"


YouTube huh?

:oldlol:

[ImKobe]

couple bran gifs

You could post gifs about any all-time great making bad plays, how about Tim Duncan missing a wide open layup and followed by missing an easy tip-in? Does that mean he's bad at making layups? I could post 100s of bad shots taken by Kobe or Jordan.

[305Baller]

http://dewitt.sanford.duke.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/goat.jpg

[Denitron]

Jordan=GOAT :bowdown:

LeBron=Top 5 when it's all said and done

[inclinerator]

he's less than half way there, but yes lebron is very good

[ArbitraryWater]

You could post gifs about any all-time great making bad plays, how about Tim Duncan missing a wide open layup and followed by missing an easy tip-in? Does that mean he's bad at making layups? I could post 100s of bad shots taken by Kobe or Jordan.

dayum :eek:

ether

[Magic 32]

You could post gifs about any all-time great making bad plays, how about Tim Duncan missing a wide open layup and followed by missing an easy tip-in?

Does Tim Duncan suck at making wide open layups?

[Knoe Itawl]

I think he has more of an outside shot at catching MJ. However, it is possible if he keeps going the way he's going.

However, the Spurs (likely winners of the WCF) will not be pushovers. It's going to be a tough series, and Lebron will have to perform at a very high level or all of this speculation will subside.

He wins it, in dominating fashion, Miami retools this summer with another contender squad and things get very interesting. A lot of time to go before all of that though.

[ImKobe]

Does Tim Ducan suck at making wide open layup?

Completely missed the point of that post, eh?

[Magic 32]

Completely missed the point of that post, eh?

Nope. You think Lebron has great foorwork.

I don't

[ImKobe]

Nope. You think Lebron has great foorwork.

I don't

Footwork? I think he's improved his footwork as of late, he's been very solid in the post.

http://intheneutralzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Lebron-James-steals-Dirk.gif

He really doesn't need to improve his footwork that much. One player can not be elite in every aspect of the game. He's shooting 64% on 2's in the Playoffs right now, that's just ridiculous.

[Warfan]

Nah he ain't the GOAT, but I can't be bothered hating on him. I hated him the first 2/3years with miami but I just don't care for it anymore. He plays well, 'lol lecollude* doesn't matter', a teammate hits a few open shots in the 4th 'lol lehelp*, stacked team carries him' even though he creates half those shots and miami was up the whole time. A lot of these people are just whiny bitches and are somehow more salty than cavs fans about him leaving.

[Cold soul]

Top 5 all-time ranking for Lebron is very likely. I'm not sure if OP is trolling or being series here.

[Magic 32]

He really doesn't need to improve his footwork that much. One player can not be elite in every aspect of the game.

He's needs it for his 30's

And footwork and skills are not a small area.

[ImKobe]

He's needs it for his 30's

And footwork and skills are not a small area.

I agree. But I also think he's been getting better in that area over the past 2 years. He's been very efficient in the post. I will give you that his footwork is not great though, but I think it's hard to be as fluid as Kobe or MJ when you're 40 pounds heavier.

[navy]

I think he has more of an outside shot at catching MJ. However, it is possible if he keeps going the way he's going.

However, the Spurs (likely winners of the WCF) will not be pushovers. It's going
His 3 point shooting might be a tad better than MJs. But he isnt nearly as good a midrange shooter.

[ArbitraryWater]

His 3 point shooting might be a tad better than MJs. But he isnt nearly as good a midrange shooter.

Did you mistaken his "I think he has more of an outside shot at catching Jordan" for talking about their 3 point shooting? :lol

[ImKobe]

Um, a threepeat is not making LeBron GOAT. Calm down. :facepalm


As of right now, his ceiling is #2. That 2011 performance is not a footnote. It was the biggest choke ever. The only thing that could make that irrelevant is:

1. A 4-peat

2. 2 more MVP'S somehow(Would be tied for most ever) and another FMVP

3. Having at least a Kobe Bryant level of longevity and another FMVP.

LeBron needs to do something that has never been done before or a rare combination of types of MVP's and longevity.



But this 3-peat just doesn't do it. 3FMVP's, 4 MVP's, 3 rings, and a top 5 peak doesn't even top Kareem. Let alone Jordan.

I said he's on pace. Miami isn't going to suddenly fall off a cliff next year if Lebron is still healthy. Miami can afford to rest Wade in the regular season and vets are lining up to sign with them for peanuts. I see Lebron going to 5 straight Finals.

[navy]

Did you mistaken his "I think he has more of an outside shot at catching Jordan" for talking about their 3 point shooting? :lol
:oldlol: My bad. Cant read for shit.

[Paul George 24]

imposibble :no:

[Fudge]

I know LeBron fans are mostly prepubescent boys, but shit, stop trolling them. Shit's getting outta hand.

[ImKobe]

I know LeBron fans are mostly prepubescent boys, but shit, stop trolling them. Shit's getting outta hand.

Aren't you a Lebron fan? :coleman:

[bdreason]

Only 4 more titles and 4 more Finals MVP's and LeBron can enter the discussion. :oldlol:

[Fudge]

Aren't you a Lebron fan? :coleman:
Yes.

Even I can admit that he'll never touch MJ.

[ImKobe]

Yes.

Even I can admit that he'll never touch MJ.

That is your opinion and I respect that.

See, this is how people should communicate. You don't have to call someone a ****** because they have a different opinion.

[Fudge]

That is your opinion and I respect that.

See, this is how people should communicate. You don't have to call someone a ****** because they have a different opinion.
**** your opinion *****!

[Mr Feeny]

I'm a huge Kobe fan and I've followed Kobe all his career, but I've also had the chance to see LeBron grow all these years and I honestly didn't see it happening back in his Cleveland days and I did despise him for doing what he did in 2010 and I was disappointed in him even more when he choked in the 2011 Finals, but I've seen enough now to realize that he's easily on pace to take MJ's place as the greatest.

Kobe had a great career and he won 5 titles, but he never did it the way Lebron has done it these past 3 years. Ever since Lebron was humiliated in the 2011 Finals, he has stepped his game up to a whole 'nother level. The numbers he's putting up are mind-boggling and watching him is like watching Floyd Mayweather box. It's so effortless. There's no one to stop him. Though unlike Floyd, Lebron did not run away from adversity(Floyd ducking Manny). Lebron took all the humiliation the media and the fans gave him after 2011 and he turned it into someting special.

You might have seen me root against him on these boards and making fun of him whenever he misses an easy shot, but I'm done hating/clowning on this man. We are taking him for granted. He is the ultimate superstar both on and off the court. I'm rooting for him to win as many games, break as many records and win as many titles possible. This goes beyond the greatness of Kobe Bryant. People might question James' heart and killer instinct in 4th quarters but they disregard his whole body of work. They want him to shoot contested jumpers like he's Kevin Durant or Russell Westbrook. Why bother doing all that shit when he can just dunk it or dish it out to a wide open 3pt shooter?

Anyways, I'm calling it - Lebron will go down as the greatest basketball player of all-time. It's just that simple. He's putting up 29/7/5/2 on 67%TS and 32.2 PER, he is on pace to have one of the all-time great Championship runs by statistical measurements. MJ, in his greatest Playoff run ('91), finished with a 32 PER and 60%TS, Lebron is about to shatter that.

#3Peat

Respect. You've done your research. I didn't realize James was on pace to surpass MJ'd 91 run. Never thought anyone would.
Im not sure he'll surpass MJ as the GOAT either but were he to do that, we'll give you props for calling it and proving us wrong. You might well be right when its all said and done.

[ArbitraryWater]

That is your opinion and I respect that.

See, this is how people should communicate. You don't have to call someone a ****** because they have a different opinion.

He's trolling... He's not a LeBron fan :lol

[ImKobe]

He's trolling... He's not a LeBron fan :lol

He was the first poster that ever negged me, claimed I had alts & shits and stalked me around...

[Fudge]

He was the first poster that ever negged me, claimed I had alts & shits and stalked me around...
I'd never do such a thing.

Stop trolling, brah.

[Jlamb47]

Jordan never had a game 7 in his 6/6 finals
that right there is enough for me to know Lebron will never surpass MJ
he wasnt mentally there for so many years of his career. He will never be GOAT. Maybe come down to top 5

[ILLsmak]

Lebron is not the goat. Even if everyone in the world decided he was, I would still know hes not from watching. But as I said, its proof he made the right decision if this is all he needs to be called the goat.

-Smak

[chosen_one6]

Jordan never had a game 7 in his 6/6 finals
that right there is enough for me to know Lebron will never surpass MJ
he wasnt mentally there for so many years of his career. He will never be GOAT. Maybe come down to top 5

Yeah because Michael single handedly beat all of those teams by himself, with no teammates or coaches. He also won every game in those seasons to get himself to the finals. With no teammates or coaches. Such great logic.

[DMAVS41]

He probably can't after the 07 finals, 2010 game 5 collapse, and the 2011 all time shit performance.

But he definitely can get into that next level after MJ if he puts up 2 to 3 more mvps and 2 to 3 more titles and finals mvps...

But it's always going to be near impossible for me to rank a guy that did what Lebron did in the 11 finals in his peak/prime over MJ.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

im applauding OP.
but i

[jimmy77x]

Lehgh will definitely finish top 5 but he will never in a million years be the GOAT.

[Straight_Ballin]

this dude got an excuse lined up for everything :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRhp_tsUI7U

Lol @ a vid trying to correlate a performance of a rookie to a performance 10 years later. Jordan living rent free in these haters minds!

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]im applauding OP.
but i

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dont think Bron will ever 'clipse Mike, and while I cannot stand the Heat, it'l be fun to see him try. IF dude gets another couple rings under his belt and continues to put in the all-around production...he will have an argument.

[red1]

I've maintained that he is the second GOAT for years. That is his ceiling and he will achieve it barring injury

[dubeta]

OMG objective Kobe stan!! :bowdown: :bowdown:

Im in love

[Keno]

Footwork? I think he's improved his footwork as of late, he's been very solid in the post.

http://intheneutralzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Lebron-James-steals-Dirk.gif

He really doesn't need to improve his footwork that much. One player can not be elite in every aspect of the game. He's shooting 64% on 2's in the Playoffs right now, that's just ridiculous.

damn, i remember that unbelievable shot. now that i think of it, lebron is the most complete basketball player in nba history, on both sides of the floor. he can literally do everything in basketball, all at an elite level. i truly feel sorry for the haters that are missing out on a once in a lifetime player.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Even then it's too early. A threepeat is a rarity, and a select few accomplished that but MJ did TWICE and when he was well into his 30s. Real talk here, Bron does have a chance, many will always hold 2011 horrible Finals series against him but if he does rack up more titles and FMVPs, he will definately be in that conversation, and most importantly, he will have earned it.
come on man.
i know lebron choked but it ws a new team, NO bench, Mike Bibby starting many games and he didnt know who is nr1 option either him or Wade.
not many excuses tho but then again he went ton the finals again that year and did so twice before MJ ever reached the finals.
also he won a title before Jordan age wise.
Jordan needed to learn to play winning basketball, not just individual glory scoring.
LeBron needed to learn not to be a choker at times ( tho he has been clutch as fukk before).
the 2011 finals is bad for his resume because he could have 3 titles by now but he may have never become as good as he is now if he won that year:confusedshrug:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

damn, i remember that unbelievable shot. now that i think of it, lebron is the most complete basketball player in nba history, on both sides of the floor. he can literally do everything in basketball, all at an elite level. i truly feel sorry for the haters that are missing out on a once in a lifetime player.
i wish he would do this more often.
take over the game with unguardable jumpshots early.
get his jumper to fall early.
hes completely unstoppable if that happens.
he just always tries to make the highest percentage play doe:coleman:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

he'll never pass MJ, but he's heading for the top 2-3.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

damn, i remember that unbelievable shot. now that i think of it, lebron is the most complete basketball player in nba history, on both sides of the floor. he can literally do everything in basketball, all at an elite level. i truly feel sorry for the haters that are missing out on a once in a lifetime player.
http://img.pandawhale.com/post-22318-Michael-Jordan-ball-fake-gif-SvYu.gif

[Relinquish]

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-22318-Michael-Jordan-ball-fake-gif-SvYu.gif

What's so special about this? :confusedshrug:

[Smook A.]

What's so special about this? :confusedshrug:
Look at the footwork and the way he faked the other defender...

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Look at the footwork and the way he faked the other defender...
pretty terrible recovery time from the defender but then again its the weakest era of basketball:confusedshrug:

[BlkMambaGOAT]

What's so special about this? :confusedshrug:
http://31.media.tumblr.com/17914639091f5caaedfa86123ca4218e/tumblr_n38wudLKk71svefdfo1_250.gif
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In terms of all-around play

MJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bran

[Roundball_Rock]

Still, he had a game with 19 points on 22 shots and 8 turnovers and lost the last game of the Playoffs by 6 pts on his home floor while shooting 42%. 94 Bulls without MJ were a bad call away from the ECF and possibly the Finals. How the hell did they get worse with MJ? :coleman:

Horace Grant left as a free agent before the 1995 season. That left a massive void in the key areas of interior defense and rebounding--which is why the Bulls were desperate enough to gamble on Dennis Rodman before the 1996 season.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

pretty terrible recovery time from the defender but then again its the weakest era of basketball:confusedshrug:

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/LeBron-James-4th-Quarter-Shot-Gm-7-NBA-Finals.gif
^Dat "best era" reflexes doe

http://www.topsportsfaq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Top-nba-best-players-of-the-s-featured.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everyone in the 2010's except Kobe and Durant

[kamil]

It only took collusion with two other all stars and a watered down eastern conference with no real centres to clog the lane.

[Smook A.]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/LeBron-James-4th-Quarter-Shot-Gm-7-NBA-Finals.gif
^Dat "best era" reflexes doe

http://www.topsportsfaq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Top-nba-best-players-of-the-s-featured.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everyone in the 2010's except Kobe and Durant
Exactly what I was gonna say. Good Job :cheers:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Lebron is clearly not as good as Jordan. Not sure how people can fool themselves into thinking that he is. He's not on a different level or anything, but he's clearly not MJ. Lebron's game isn't as polished as MJ's, and the only reason he's so "efficient" is because of the league he currently plays in and the team he currently plays on. Think he's shooting 56% or whatever on any random team in the 1990-1996 NBA? Think again.

[KirbyPls]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/LeBron-James-4th-Quarter-Shot-Gm-7-NBA-Finals.gif
^Dat "best era" reflexes doe

http://www.topsportsfaq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Top-nba-best-players-of-the-s-featured.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everyone in the 2010's except Kobe and Durant

I only see one face in that picture who is a better player than Lebron, and we all know who it is. Lebron > Kobe all-time, let it go. And Durant? :lol

[ImKobe]

I only see one face in that picture who is a better player than Lebron, and we all know who it is. Lebron > Kobe all-time, let it go. And Durant? :lol
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[GODbe]

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[BlkMambaGOAT]

He is on pace, and espn is shoving these stats and "projected" stats down everyones throat, but will he continue playing at this pace, and reach these "projected" stats? That remains to be seen. For right now MJ is the GOAT, and once lebron 3 peats twice, then we will start the comparison.....
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[Soundwave]

When he leads his team to 7 titles as the no.1 option then sure, I think he can lay claim to being GOAT relatively unchallenged.

But 3 ... nah. Even Shaq and Duncan have done that.

If he wins this year, I think sure the argument can be made that he's surpassed Kobe in an official sense.

[Beastmode88]

If lebron wins 6 wins ill give him the goat spot and it might even overshadow the 2011's final performance.

[riseagainst]

lebron is already the 2nd greatest player of all time. He is already a better player than prime/peak MJ or any player's prime/peak. If he wins this year, he will officially cement himself as the GOAT and it's not even close.

[Roundball_Rock]

Why are 6 rings the arbitrary cut-off? You guys realize Russell won 11? If Lebron finishes with 5 rings and 7 MVP's is that inferior to 6 rings and 5 MVP's?
Jordan was called the GOAT by the media when he retired with 3 rings and 3 MVP's.

[Nevaeh]

I appreciate every all-time great, but what Lebron is doing is something I have never seen anyone do before. Debating over all-time rankings is obviously one of the most useless things a human being could do. It contributes 0 to society and it wastes the time we could have spent on contributing to our society. I will hold back on fighting over rankings. It's just my personal opinion that when it's all said and done - this man will be at the top of the mountain.

Dude, posting online is a hobby for most here, not a way of life. Peeps have their own personal favorite food and drink choices, and I'm pretty sure that those things don't stop them from "contributing to society" when they need to.

This line is simply a cop out for those that don't agree with what the majority top ten rankings look like based on their own personal choices. With that, Lebron's had to many passive, b!tch made moments to be considered GOAT IMO.

[Beastmode88]

lebron is already the 2nd greatest player of all time. He is already a better player than prime/peak MJ or any player's prime/peak. If he wins this year, he will officially cement himself as the GOAT and it's not even close.

goat's dont choke in the finals.

[TheMan]

Why are 6 rings the arbitrary cut-off? You guys realize Russell won 11? If Lebron finishes with 5 rings and 7 MVP's is that inferior to 6 rings and 5 MVP's?
Jordan was called the GOAT by the media when he retired with 3 rings and 3 MVP's.
Russell played in a very different era (inferior), Jordan did his in the modern era. If MJ could pull off 6 and James wants to be considered GOAT, he needs to pass him up. Kobe, Magic, KAJ have 5, why can't LeBron one up them? This is a weak era, he should be able to get it done.

[TheMan]

lebron is already the 2nd greatest player of all time. He is already a better player than prime/peak MJ or any player's prime/peak. If he wins this year, he will officially cement himself as the GOAT and it's not even close.
You're high.

[Hey Yo]

Russell played in a very different era (inferior), Jordan did his in the modern era. If MJ could pull off 6 and James wants to be considered GOAT, he needs to pass him up. Kobe, Magic, KAJ have 5, why can't LeBron one up them? This is a weak era, he should be able to get it done.
Kareem has 6

[TheMan]

Kareem has 6
My bad, forgot about the one with the Bucks:facepalm

[Hey Yo]

Here's retarded Magic Johnson last August crying on twitter when James left him off his top 3 players.

"Rings are all that matters" then proceeds to say MJ 6, Me 5, Bird 3, LeBron 2, Dr.J 1

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/22/magic-johnson-fires-back-at-lebron-for-not-having-him-in-top-three/

[Roundball_Rock]

Russell played in a very different era (inferior), Jordan did his in the modern era. If MJ could pull off 6 and James wants to be considered GOAT, he needs to pass him up. Kobe, Magic, KAJ have 5, why can't LeBron one up them? This is a weak era, he should be able to get it done.

Fair enough--Russell won during an era with far less teams. I don't see "6" as a magic number. There are many factors that go into winning championships. One cannot simply say 6>4 or 5>3 (i.e. Magic versus Bird). I do think, though, a player must win 2 rings to enter the top 10 all-time and needs at least 3 to be a legitimate GOAT candidate (Wilt is the exception with 2 rings because his individual dominance was on another level from the other candidates). Lebron versus Jordan? If Lebron has 7 MVP's and 4-5 rings he would have a case over Jordan.

There also is a degree of difficulty factor in comparing rings. We do not yet know how all of Lebron's rings will be attained. However, if he wins this year he will do what Jordan never did: which is beat a dynasty (Spurs) twice or a Western rival twice which features two top 5 players, including the consensus second best player in the league (the closest approximation to this for MJ would be the Jazz--but Stockton by the late 90's was nowhere near the level of current Westrbook). Yeah, Lebron did play in a weaker Eastern conference but thus far he has had tougher Finals opponents.

Lebron also may have developed rivals to a degree the Bulls did not. The Bulls faced 6 different ECF opponents in 6 years and 5 different Finals opponents in 6 years. Lebron has faced the Spurs, Mavericks, OKC, Spurs and either OKC for the second time or the Spurs for a third time by age 29. In the ECF he has faced Indiana in consecutive seasons, something none of the Bulls' challengers could manage during the MJ years.

[chazzy]

Lebron would have to surpass MJ's accomplishments since he's not a better player, and that is a very tough task

[LeBird]

Well done to the OP for being mature. We can all have our favourites, heck they don't need to be the GOAT for us to like them, but you come to a moment where you gotta start appreciating the best in the sport you adore. It's that simple.

[poido123]

MJ returned from baseball and lost in the 2nd round.


With no offseason, he returned from retirement over half way through the season and was clearly rusty in the playoffs.

Comes back the next year and pulverises the same opponent and proved it was a fluke.

I think OP was having a Lebron fapping moment and forgot about reality :oldlol:

[poido123]

Lebron would have to surpass MJ's accomplishments since he's not a better player, and that is a very tough task


This is very accurate.

I think OP grew up in the Kobe era, and missed Mj's career TBH.

[Just2McFly]

Jordan never had a game 7 in his 6/6 finals
that right there is enough for me to know Lebron will never surpass MJ
he wasnt mentally there for so many years of his career. He will never be GOAT. Maybe come down to top 5
lmfao

[BigBoss]

OP is a disloyal beta.