2014 French Open Thread

[ArbitraryWater]

Was just reminded of it... no thread yet?

Top guys will cruice through the first week... shocked at Wawrinka out, though.

[RagaZ]

Muzza :pimp:

[gigantes]

i liked that moment djoker had with the ball boy during the rain delay. classy. :pimp:

[bdreason]

Not a fan of the French Open. Can't really stand clay as a surface. Hopefully Djoker can take Nadal out like he did in Rome.

[gigantes]

clay is weird. i've played on sandy stuff which was barely a grade above quicksand, and i've played on har-tru, which is pretty much the best surface ever.

really no idea what type the french open stuff is.

[imdaman99]

Rafa or bust :rockon:

Disappointed in Stan :facepalm wanted to see Rafa demolish him in the semis

The only one that can beat Rafa is Djoker... but we'll see if he can beat him in a Clay 5 setter.

[ArbitraryWater]

Rafa or bust :rockon:

Disappointed in Stan :facepalm wanted to see Rafa demolish him in the semis

The only one that can beat Rafa is Djoker... but we'll see if he can beat him in a Clay 5 setter.

I think Rafa got a bit lucky in 2011 when Rog beat Nole in the SF :lol

Might have had some problems against him that Final..

[RagaZ]

Muzza just took Nadal to 3 sets last week.

They meet in the Semis iirc. :pimp:

[imdaman99]

I think Rafa got a bit lucky in 2011 when Rog beat Nole in the SF :lol

Might have had some problems against him that Final..
I think Rafa still would have beat him. He is the king of clay and basically unbeatable at the French. I think if he beats Djoker there, he might beat him at 1 of the GS finals after that, I'll say Wimbledon since he looked outmatched at USOpen. That year was all about confidence man. Because he has beat Djoker 3 times in GS's in a row after that heartbreaker in Aussie 13.

Not that I follow women's much, down go the Williams sisters. American tennis :facepalm

[gigantes]

I think Rafa still would have beat him. He is the king of clay and basically unbeatable at the French.
those are just concepts, and concepts don't win matches. you still have to actually do it.

nadal is a true clay maestro, but on clay he still loses sometimes and even goes through terrible stretches (for him), like this spring. point is, you just never know.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kohli im f

[Suguru101]

......

Can the Semis start already?

[ArbitraryWater]

Roger out! :eek:

Djokovic following now :D

[Qwyjibo]

Not much of a surprise that Federer is out. He won't hang on the clay courts anymore.

In terms of Grand Slams, I think he's got maybe one miracle Wimbledon run left in him. Where everything goes right and there's a couple other upsets early on. Probably nothing more than that though.

[gigantes]

back in the states, serena crashes strangers wedding looking like a hyena in heat.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2645005/Serena-Williams-reveals-curvy-figure-leopard-print-leotard-crashes-wedding.html


anything to get over being bounced, i guess.

[imdaman99]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/01/article-2645005-1E45C59700000578-814_634x423.jpg

I dunno why... but I'd hit it :confusedshrug:

Not as much as Genie though :pimp:

[ArbitraryWater]

back in the states, serena crashes strangers wedding looking like a hyena in heat.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2645005/Serena-Williams-reveals-curvy-figure-leopard-print-leotard-crashes-wedding.html


anything to get over being bounced, i guess.

I got so aroused when I saw the pics :eek:

[gigantes]

oh, are you a male hyena? :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

:lol

She's just insanely hot :bowdown:

goddamn what a woman

[alenleomessi]

:lol

She's just insanely hot :bowdown:

goddamn what a woman
ladies and gentleman this is what liking lebron too much does to you

[bdreason]

Haven't watched much of the tournament. Watching Sharapova and Muguruza replay right now... man I love Tennis. :D



Also, this guy Gulbis is a real talent and he has a really interesting story too. Apparently his father is a Russian billionaire and the guy has been coasting on the tour for years off natural talent, and just partying and shit. He's a little older now, and seems to be taking Tennis more serious... and he has some serious game.

[ArbitraryWater]

ladies and gentleman this is what liking lebron too much does to you

It's personal preference :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

Haven't watched much of the tournament. Watching Sharapova and Muguruza replay right now... man I love Tennis. :D



Also, this guy Gulbis is a real talent and he has a really interesting story too. Apparently his father is a Russian billionaire and the guy has been coasting on the tour for years off natural talent, and just partying and shit. He's a little older now, and seems to be taking Tennis more serious... and he has some serious game.

I thought Gulbis was on the up when I saw him playing in 2010.. then he suddenly disappeared again.

[ArbitraryWater]

Great aggressive 1st set by Ferrer... well deserved.

Rafa in 4 :D

[imdaman99]

Ferrer finally gets a set off Nadal at the French... c'mon Rafa if you can't hold serve you're gonna get straight-setted :facepalm

[Done_And_Done]

It's time for the student to school the teacher. Hope Geenie pulls through.

http://images.supersport.com/2014/6/Eugenie-Bouchard-and-Maria-Sharapova-young-Twitter-300.jpg

[alenleomessi]

^ small ass pic bro

here

http://i.imgur.com/8MbOyzS.jpg

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Dr-Dre.gif

[gigantes]

Also, this guy Gulbis is a real talent and he has a really interesting story too. Apparently his father is a Russian billionaire and the guy has been coasting on the tour for years off natural talent, and just partying and shit. He's a little older now, and seems to be taking Tennis more serious... and he has some serious game.
latvia, not russia... but otherwise, yea


as a djoker fan i'm proud of how he contained the hot-playing raonic yesterday, but he soitenly has his work cut out to beat the red-hot gulbis and then rafa. *gulp*

[Milbuck]

Nadal is back :applause:

All it took was one set from Ferrer before Rafa said **** it, and realized he's the best player in the world. Murray's gonna get wrecked if he brings that weak shit he brought against Monfils. He might be able to scrape through a 5 setter with Gael, but Rafa won't let that slide.


Also, this guy Gulbis is a real talent and he has a really interesting story too. Apparently his father is a Russian billionaire and the guy has been coasting on the tour for years off natural talent, and just partying and shit. He's a little older now, and seems to be taking Tennis more serious... and he has some serious game.
Agreed, Gulbis is a stud. He's always had the game to be dangerous on tour, he's just starting to act on it these past couple years. He's got everything - huge serve, powerful shots from both wings, touch, speed around the court, etc. He just didn't have the intensity...but now he does. He showed flashes last season, especially at Indian Wells, but this year he looks to be on another level. The way he absolutely trashed Berdych, I think he could actually take out Djokovic if he brings that same game/intensity.

[imdaman99]

We get the matchup that we wanted :applause:

#1 vs #2

Nadal vs Djokovic

The greatest clay courter of all time versus the only man who stands a chance against him :rockon:

Djokovic outlasts Gulbis in 4 and Nadal completely undresses Murray 3,2,1.

Here's to a classic 5 setter (let's go Rafa :rockon: ) :D

[gigantes]

nadal looks like he could crush anyone at this point, including a prime federer.

i hope djokes brings his A+ game on sunday.

[bdreason]

nadal looks like he could crush anyone at this point, including a prime federer.

i hope djokes brings his A+ game on sunday.


On Clay*



And Djoker just beat Nadal on clay in Rome. It was only a 3 set match, but Djoker took the 2nd and 3rd sets.

[imdaman99]

On Clay*



And Djoker just beat Nadal on clay in Rome. It was only a 3 set match, but Djoker took the 2nd and 3rd sets.
He also lost to Ferrer in his last clay in Monte Carlo in 2 sets. What does it mean? Absolutely nothing, he embarrassed Ferrer after a slow start a couple days ago. Nadal is a different animal in 5 setters on Clay. King of Clay is 5-0 against Djokovic at the Frenchie.

And *Clay? What's your point, Nadal could beat prime Federer everywhere :oldlol:

Unless you're holding onto them never playing at US Open :roll:

[gigantes]

On Clay*

And Djoker just beat Nadal on clay in Rome. It was only a 3 set match, but Djoker took the 2nd and 3rd sets.
haha sorry bdreason. we are talking about the french open, however. :P


yes, nole has a little winning streak against rafa on clay and other stuff, but nadal has also had a slow season so far and now seems to be peaking at precisely the important time. meanwhile djokes hasn't been quite as dominant in the FO, plus i have to think his recent wrist injury is something he has to be a little cautious with. we all know that feeling, i think.

but.. certainly hope i'm wrong!


EDIT: whoa, man... 10,000th post. oO

[Milbuck]

Nadal looks to be in form these past couple matches. He's scary good right now.

A week ago I would've said Djokovic in 4 sets with a lot of confidence. Nadal looked out of form and Djokovic looked extremely sharp. But seeing how Nadal is peaking at the absolute perfect time, it's up in the air. Apparently Novak was "fatigued" or had some physical problem against Gulbis, but he's also notorious for stretching injury concerns as a mental tactic. Against anyone else, it might work. But Nadal does not give a shit, he'll be there ready to play, relentless like he always is.

100% healthy Djokovic vs in-form Rafa is a tossup at this point imo. Should be a terrific match, I'd be surprised if it was anything short of a close 4-setter.

[ArbitraryWater]

If he wouldnt have experienced the Injury during the final of the Aussie Open, this might be the year to win all 4 majors... not kidding. Well would have been.

He will crush Djokovic. Djokovic won't know what hit him. Will take his entire game back to school, wrap it up and sent him back to serbia.. then **** him at Wimbledon.

As usual, Rafa gets stronger during the tournament, peaking right before/at the final.. wrecked Andy. No match. Dude smiled in the 3rd when he could win a point in what was somewhat of a rally. Rafa makes up so much space, and then he whips his topspin on you... :bowdown:

[gigantes]

...Apparently Novak was "fatigued" or had some physical problem against Gulbis, but he's also notorious for stretching injury concerns as a mental tactic. Against anyone else, it might work. But Nadal does not give a shit, he'll be there ready to play, relentless like he always is...
it sounds like you're ready for the funny farm.

djoker's injury and fatigue issues date almost exclusively to a few years ago. his main 'bad' habit nowadays is to take a long time bouncing the ball before serving. that's about it.

meanwhile, the nonsense you wrote about djokovic is exactly what nadal is famous for. he's the king and the maestro of all that stuff in tennis. i personally like rafa and don't have a problem with it, but... you are WAY off base on that stuff.

[Milbuck]

it sounds like you're ready for the funny farm.

djoker's injury and fatigue issues date almost exclusively to a few years ago. his main 'bad' habit nowadays is to take a long time bouncing the ball before serving. that's about it.

meanwhile, the nonsense you wrote about djokovic is exactly what nadal is famous for. he's the king and the maestro of all that stuff in tennis. i personally like rafa and don't have a problem with it, but... you are WAY off base on that stuff.
It's not off base at all. You can call it nonsense or whatever you want, but there is a clear history of him doing crap like that. Novak himself has come out and said players fake injuries all the time. Players on tour have openly talked about it and called Novak out for it.

Janowicz has openly called Djokovic an "actor".

In 2011 he supposedly had a back injury during the US Open...then he was seen playing football just 8 days after the injury.

There was a fuss during the US Open a few years before that where Novak would conveniently look winded and would cringe during break points, or when he was in a dangerous spot, say a set down. Roddick almost got into a fight with him in the locker room for acting out his injuries, and then trash talking after the match.

Before his monster 2011 season, Novak routinely retired from matches with zero injuries outside of "fatigue or exhaustion"...a professional tennis player, retiring from matches out of exhaustion. He also took medical timeouts conveniently when he was losing.

Nadal also does shit like that. He does it A LOT as well. I never once said he didn't. But to use Nadal to argue that Novak doesn't is just ludicrous.

[gigantes]

@milbuck,
as i already mentioned previously... which you either completely or conveniently missed... those issues are almost exclusively in the -past- with djokovic. we're talking years ago.

so the question-- does your command of english, the flow of time, and sense of logic allow you to comprehend that... or not?

also, regarding djoker's gamesmanship issues which you bring up-- i can see it's pointless to bring up his allergy and motivational issues which he turned the corner on a few years ago, after which he immediately reached a new level.

VERY much how gulbis and agassi before him decided to get much more serious about their professionalism and afterwards experienced dramatic surges in their game.

i see no point in it because you've clearly made up your mind already and have decided to be a moron about this stuff. but obviously the good news for you is that when it comes to sports, you are very much not alone. i mean, it's nice to have company in life, right? :cheers:

[bdreason]

Nadal has 13 Major titles and 8 of them (62%) are on Clay.

Sorry, but Nadal is going to have to do something more than just win the French Open every year if he wants to enter the discussion with Roger. Nadal is in his prime and has only won 1 Major title outside the French Open in 4 years.

[The_Yearning]

I'd be happy for Djokovic if he won, but sorry, Nadal will beat him in straight sets, 4 at the most.

[ArbitraryWater]

it sounds like you're ready for the funny farm.

djoker's injury and fatigue issues date almost exclusively to a few years ago. his main 'bad' habit nowadays is to take a long time bouncing the ball before serving. that's about it.

meanwhile, the nonsense you wrote about djokovic is exactly what nadal is famous for. he's the king and the maestro of all that stuff in tennis. i personally like rafa and don't have a problem with it, but... you are WAY off base on that stuff.


Well I was just about to bring up the 2011 US Open when I saw Milbuck's Comment... Djokovic faking Injuries HAS WORKED, before... I remember it well.
Djokovic comfortably takes the first 2 sets, Rafa fights back to win an epic, and close 3rd set in the Tiebreak.. you could feel the momentum shifting... What happens? Djokovic takes a timeout, looks injured at the start of the 4th... Of course ultimately all it did was bring Rafa out of his comfort, totally disrupted him, while Djokovic kept playing looking healthy as always, winning the set and match.

[ArbitraryWater]

Nadal has 13 Major titles and 8 of them (62%) are on Clay.

Sorry, but Nadal is going to have to do something more than just win the French Open every year if he wants to enter the discussion with Roger. Nadal is in his prime and has only won 1 Major title outside the French Open in 4 years.

:rolleyes:



You'll be very alone on that once Rafa reaches 17 Majors and will be openly accepted as GOAT.

[imdaman99]

:rolleyes:



You'll be very alone on that once Rafa reaches 15-16 Majors and will be openly accepted as GOAT.
Fixed. Although I wanna see another Australian and Wimbledon in there. He might be cursed at Australian Open though :|

[Rubio2Gasol]

What difference does it make? Only 1/4 titles is on his preffered surface, he's at a disadvantage if anything.

[dude77]

Nadal has 13 Major titles and 8 of them (62%) are on Clay.

Sorry, but Nadal is going to have to do something more than just win the French Open every year if he wants to enter the discussion with Roger. Nadal is in his prime and has only won 1 Major title outside the French Open in 4 years.

lol you may want to recheck your research there .. he's won 3 in that time span ..and 5 out of 13 off clay is good enough .. I also like how you completely discount his ridiculous, unprecedented dominance on clay .. should we discredit federer's titles because he only has one french ? ..

nadal has won majors on all surfaces and has dominated federer on all surfaces and at all grand slams save for wimbledon and even that's just negligibly in favor of federer 2-1 only because they haven't played much on grass ..

with all of his accomplishments coupled with his complete ownage of federer, nadal is just about getting ready to supplant him for good with a couple more majors .. if he hasn't already

[Milbuck]

@milbuck,
as i already mentioned previously... which you either completely or conveniently missed... those issues are almost exclusively in the -past- with djokovic. we're talking years ago.

so the question-- does your command of english, the flow of time, and sense of logic allow you to comprehend that... or not?

also, regarding djoker's gamesmanship issues which you bring up-- i can see it's pointless to bring up his allergy and motivational issues which he turned the corner on a few years ago, after which he immediately reached a new level.

VERY much how gulbis and agassi before him decided to get much more serious about their professionalism and afterwards experienced dramatic surges in their game.

i see no point in it because you've clearly made up your mind already and have decided to be a moron about this stuff. but obviously the good news for you is that when it comes to sports, you are very much not alone. i mean, it's nice to have company in life, right? :cheers:
:rolleyes:

Keep insulting my intelligence, that'll do it.

I've given you clear evidence of Djokovic's gamesmanship. You can hide behind "b-b-b-but that was all in the past!" but the point is, there HAVE been instances of it in the past few years. Including the back during the 2011 US Open, Janowicz calling him a couple years ago, etc. He's been doing this AFTER he turned the corner in 2011.

I don't know if you conveniently missed it when I mentioned it, but Djokovic himself has explicitly stated that players on tour fake injuries all the time.

If you want to keep your head firmly up Novak's ass about this stuff, go for it. I'm willing to admit that my favorite player, Nadal, has exhibited gamesmanship tons of times in his career. It's something I don't like, and wish he'd change. It's a shame you're too stubborn to do the same with Djokovic.

Well I was just about to bring up the 2011 US Open when I saw Milbuck's Comment... Djokovic faking Injuries HAS WORKED, before... I remember it well.
Djokovic comfortably takes the first 2 sets, Rafa fights back to win an epic, and close 3rd set in the Tiebreak.. you could feel the momentum shifting... What happens? Djokovic takes a timeout, looks injured at the start of the 4th... Of course ultimately all it did was bring Rafa out of his comfort, totally disrupted him, while Djokovic kept playing looking healthy as always, winning the set and match.
Don't bother using evidence when arguing with gigantes..he'll just call you a moron and/or come up with some other irrelevant defense.

[gigantes]

well, rod laver has 19 singles majors and another nine in doubles... 200 titles in all.

how close is rafa to that?


at the same time, when nadal is in peak form both physically and mentally, i'm not sure any other player in tennis history, in their peak form on any surface, can beat him. his best is just that good IMO. as much as i dislike serena's attitude, it's pretty much the same with her.


btw, great women's final. it's nice to see a match like that instead of the usual slaughter. :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

http://images.rapgenius.com/94gzsirn8vmlajs1xrtmmo8uw.336x199x43.gif

[The_Yearning]

Nadal may not be the greatest ever... but he's certainly the best ever.

[alenleomessi]

Nadal may not be the greatest ever... but he's certainly the best ever.
federer is the most complete tennis player ever

[ArbitraryWater]

federer is the most complete tennis player ever

This is an individual sport :wtf:

How much does "more complete" mean when you can't beat certain opponents?

[imdaman99]

Nadal starting to take control. Up 3-0 in 3rd set :applause:

Down a set, obviously the 2nd set was necessary. Hope he takes it to Djoko like he did Ferrer. But then again, Djoko is a lot better and Ferrer pretty much tanked in the last 2 sets. Even if Nadal wins this set, I see Djoko fighting hard till the end.

It will be up to Nadal to continue his momentum :pimp:

[ArbitraryWater]

Sooner or later Rafa bends all his opponents over.. at one point they start giving in.

He's all over the court. Rafa will win every single French until he retires.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Nine.

[robert de niro]

:applause:

[RagaZ]

Djokovic best shot at beating Nadal at RG was last year.

[The_Yearning]

Anyone's best shot of winning the FO is if Nadal isn't playing.

[Grinder]

Rafa has to be one of the most humble, down to earth superstars ever.

[RagaZ]

Anyone's best shot of winning the FO is if Nadal isn't playing.
Djokovic was up 4-3 in the fifth set and missed a sitter to make it 5-3.

[Carbine]

Nadal just four more away from unanimous GOAT status.

He just turned 28 a couple days ago. He has a great shot at it.

[ArbitraryWater]

Nadal just four more away from unanimous GOAT status.

He just turned 28 a couple days ago. He has a great shot at it.

Once he's done that:

More Majors than Federer, against superior Competition, while dominating him head to head Individually...

NO ARGUMENTS LEFT.

[RagaZ]

The only argument is the 302 weeks.

[ArbitraryWater]

The only argument is the 302 weeks.

Basically.. Rafa will have more Masters, Davis Cups as well... It will be Weeks at Nr.1 and, World Tour Finals? lol

[Milbuck]

Honestly, one more non-RG slam and he's the GOAT to me.

The 300+ weeks at #1 argument is so bullshit, I don't even bother getting deep into an argument about it. The point is, if your rivals are Lleyton Hewitt, Andy Roddick, David Nalbandian, Ferrero, Gonzalez, etc. and your main rival is a teenager while you are at your absolute prime....it's a pretty weak ass era. Does anyone honestly believe that prime Nadal or even prime Djokovic wouldn't have shat on Federer's "competition" from 2004-2007?

Anyways, 26+ masters, 200+ weeks at #1, 4 Davis Cups, 15+ slams, and a 23-10 dominating record against the supposed "GOAT" would do it. Key being the record against Federer.

16-17 slams would make it undeniable imo.

[Milbuck]

As for RG this year, holy shit. 9 trophies at one slam is mind boggling. This might be the greatest achievement in tennis history.

Props to Djokovic for coming back and being a fighter every single year.

I've maintained this since 2010 and I still do, that he WILL win RG at least once before he retires. He's too ****ing good not to.

[alenleomessi]

weak era of tennis

[bdreason]

65% on the least practiced surface. :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

bdreason is hella mad right now :roll:

[gigantes]

both guys looked like they were battling some physical issues. nadal with... his back? and djokes just running out of energy in the 2nd set and vomiting between points later on. well, shit.

i don't quite understand that exhaustion since the FO doesn't get nearly as hot as the AO. but the writers on the scene were saying that the weather shifted pretty dramatically between cool and hot a few days before, and it was bothering a lot of players.

a shame, because if there's one guy who can wear rafa out, it's nole... and occasionally muzza.

nadal still has a long way to go to approach laver, but this is another solid step. i'm a bit skeptical since his knees can betray him for long stretches, but we'll see how it goes.

congrats, rafa! :cheers:

[bdreason]

bdreason is hella mad right now :roll:


And my boy Hamilton lost today because of brake failure. Pretty much guaranteed a Miami Heat win tonight to complete the sweep.


:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Nikola_]

Rafa lost one match in 10 FOs, one fk*** match :biggums:

[DuMa]

Robin Soderling... hes smiling somewhere. and i bet hes doing it in a maniacal way.

[Carbine]

Wasn't Rafa injured during that French Open he ended up losing to Solderling in?

[sweggeh]

Wasn't Rafa injured during that French Open he ended up losing to Solderling in?

Yeah he was, but he won French Opens through injury before.

[Carbine]

Not like that though. That injury caused him to miss Wimbledon, so it wasn't one of those "Oh I'm losing? Time to exaggerate an injury" deal.

[ArbitraryWater]

Not like that though. That injury caused him to miss Wimbledon, so it wasn't one of those "Oh I'm losing? Time to exaggerate an injury" deal.

Yep... otherwise he would be 65-0 with 10 straight french titles :lol

[The_Yearning]

Djokovic was up 4-3 in the fifth set and missed a sitter to make it 5-3.

There was no fifth set.

Rafael Nadal won his first FO when he was 17 or 18.

Dude is no doubt the chosen one on this surface.

The King of Clay.

[Milbuck]

There was no fifth set.

Rafael Nadal won his first FO when he was 17 or 18.

Dude is no doubt the chosen one on this surface.

The King of Clay.
I think he was talking about last year' semifinal.

But agreed on everything else...for now. King of Clay soon to be the GOAT of tennis.

[gigantes]

i like rafa, but he is frankly nowhere near GOAT status.

at the very least, two giants of the game stand ahead of him, and frankly i doubt that his body holds up enough to challenge either one very much.

of course if he does it, then good for him... i'll be glad to be proven wrong. but he still has a very long way to go.

#n-th-ggers

[Carbine]

Laver played in the weakest era of competition ever.

[Dragonyeuw]

i like rafa, but he is frankly nowhere near GOAT status.

at the very least, two giants of the game stand ahead of him, and frankly i doubt that his body holds up enough to challenge either one very much.

of course if he does it, then good for him... i'll be glad to be proven wrong. but he still has a very long way to go.

#n-th-ggers

Working in his favor, is his record against the consensus GOAT. Working against him, is he's mostly seen as a claycourt specialist as opposed to an all-court performer. Having said that, no-one has dominated a surface like he has.

[gigantes]

Working in his favor, is his record against the consensus GOAT. Working against him, is he's mostly seen as a claycourt specialist as opposed to an all-court performer. Having said that, no-one has dominated a surface like he has.
no. his record is horrible compared against the GOAT.

it's awesome against federer, tho.

nadal is the KING of CLAY, no argument. nadal is an awesome TENNIS GREAT. i like rafa a lot, no sarcasm intended.

[gigantes]

Laver played in the weakest era of competition ever.
wrong, and not the point anyway.

NEXT?

[Carbine]

wrong, and not the point anyway.

NEXT?

You seem mad that Nadal will be the GOAT?

[gigantes]

You seem mad that Nadal will be the GOAT?
very few writers and tennis experts i've read consider nadal to be threatening federer or laver. although if the body of opinion shifts, it could definitely help swing me.

overall stats and accomplishments-wise, nadal is getting close to fed... miles away from roddy.

i truly would love to see rafa surpass fed and become #2, but i don't know if his body will hold up... even after he went and had the HGH-therapy that kobe and others had done in germany.

he had it done again and said it wasn't as effective second time around.

geez... it's all black and white to you guys, isn't it?

[Dragonyeuw]

no. his record is horrible compared against the GOAT.

it's awesome against federer, tho.

nadal is the KING of CLAY, no argument. nadal is an awesome TENNIS GREAT. i like rafa a lot, no sarcasm intended.

I was referring to Federer when I said his record against the GOAT.

[gigantes]

I was referring to Federer when I said his record against the GOAT.
no worries... we all screw up from time to time. :cheers:

[Dragonyeuw]

no worries... we all screw up from time to time. :cheers:

Glad you can admit to it :cheers: