Has Bosh's legacy really been enhanced by playing with Miami?

[Ca$H]

I mean the media and fans don't really give him any respect. Peak Bosh put up 24 and 10.8 as the number one option. Now he is relegated to a spot up jump shooter because of Bran. I think the lack of touches on offense has a negative effect on his rebounding too because players always play harder when they are involved on offense. Overall I think the big three era has only benefited Bran. He is receiving full credit for playing with two players who where considered top 10 players before joining up with Bran.

[red1]

he cemented a third wheel legacy. just chilling in miami both on and off the court

[JohnMax]

Bosh would qualify for WNBA draft

[oh the horror]

I'd say absolutely not. He's winning rings and having a good time in Miami but at this point he's been reduced to a role player. And rightfully so as his play hasn't shown much in terms of them being a "BIG three"

[Rose'sACL]

at least he would be remembered by even casual fans now and would be an HOFer.
I honestly believe that if he stayed on the raptors or some other average team then he would not be an HOFer and would not be remembered by anyone. It is pretty clear that he was not a first option kind of guy on an above average team even when he was in toronto. He might have been a good second option if he went to cleveland although that is as much a rumor as james having made his mind years before 2010 to leave the cavs.

[CelticBaller]

Yeah, being the bitch of a team full of primadonnas

[jzek]

Oh yeah. He wouldn't be in the HoF without his 2 rings... his 9x All Star status isn't enough to enter HoF but with 2 (potentially more) rings and Olympic gold, he's a surefire HoFer wiht those credentials.

[Rake2204]

I would say his legacy has taken a turn. I believe had he remained in Toronto (or played first or second fiddle elsewhere), the numbers he'd go on to continue producing would have likely yielded a better response from history, even if his teams did not win championships.

Now, I think he's in this weird mixed stage; he's not quite Horace Grant, and he was never quite Kevin Garnett. It'll be a weird nether region where the titles he's won likely will not define him as a player as much as what he did before he arrived.

[Jailblazers7]

Bosh was never going to have a legacy worth remembering in Toronto. He will be remember forever now as the 3rd best player on a potential 3-peat team. I'd say he benefited from the move.

[Rose'sACL]

I'd say absolutely not. He's winning rings and having a good time in Miami but at this point he's been reduced to a role player. And rightfully so as his play hasn't shown much in terms of them being a "BIG three"
what would be his legacy if he kept playing for the raptors? He would be forgotten like a lot of players who played well on average teams their whole life but never good enough for a good team to gamble on them as a first option on offense.

[Rose'sACL]

Yeah, being the bitch of a team full of primadonnas
like rondo, pierce and KG?

[Goldrush25]

Bosh was never going to have a legacy worth remembering in Toronto.

Was never going to win a championship either. Some people think it's better to lead a losing team than to be a 3rd wheel on a historic team.

There are a ton of casual NBA fans that maybe might've seen Bosh play once before he got to Miami.

[Mass Debator]

Of course because he'd be remembered as a player who could put up 24/11 on his own team rather than a 24/11 player who hasn't done shit.

[ForeverHeat]

Anyone who says no is a retard. No one is gonna remember the Raptors best player. Nobody is gonna remember Kyle Lowry in 20 years time. Chris Bosh has cemented his name in history. No one is gonna remember the specifics, only that Chris Bosh was one third of the NBA's most legendary trio.

[PJR]

Bosh's legacy prior to Miami was 3 total playoff wins in 7 years in the Eastern Conference, and being dubbed the "Rupaul of Big Men" by Shaq.

In Miami, he's been in the Finals every year, and is now a two time champion and counting.

The answer is obvious.

[CelticBaller]

im an idiot
Ok

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Yes definitely.

[oh the horror]

So what's the criteria then? Only that he's winning rings?



I'm genuinely curious here

[ForeverHeat]

So what's the criteria then? Only that he's winning rings?



I'm genuinely retarded here

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[lilgodfather1]

I think about this quite often. Chris Bosh would have been a god in Toronto had he stayed there. Toronto does that with all long time Leafs, even a relative scrub like Tie Domi could walk into any bar in the city and be a hero, and never pay for a drink.

Say what you will about how crappy the Raps are, but Bosh would have been the franchise leader in every category. He would have been an all star every year, and likely won a couple playoff series this year.

Bosh is only going to be Wade and James teammate. He is never going to be remembered by anyone, maybe not even Heat fans 20 years from now. Role player in Miami, or the greatest player in franchise history in Toronto. You decide which path is better.

Edit: Bosh was never going to be a GOAT. He was never going to be remembered 20 years after his career worldwide like LeBron, or Kobe. But in Toronto 50 years from now he would have been able to go anywhere in the city and been remembered. He will now never get that notoriety.

[SwishSquared]

He wanted to compete for titles instead of struggling in the first round and he seemingly has that now. If they 3peat (and keep winning big), he's a sure-thing HoF imo. Being considered an important piece on a historic squad will probably be more fulfilling for him than being first-round fodder.

Sure, Toronto may have been able to put some pieces around him eventually, but I don't think he wanted to waste any more time waiting to compete. He put in 7 years and didn't win a playoff series.

EDIT: Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but:
http://grantland.com/features/chris-bosh-2014-miami-heat-career-scoring/

[Rake2204]

No one is gonna remember the Raptors best player. Nobody is gonna remember Kyle Lowry in 20 years time. Chris Bosh has cemented his name in history. No one is gonna remember the specifics, only that Chris Bosh was one third of the NBA's most legendary trio.I think it depends upon what we mean by one's "legacy". If being on a team that wins championships (regardless of circumstance) is all that is being referenced, then surely the answer would be yes.

However, I think it may be a little more intricate than that. Bosh traded in superstar status for being a third wheel who sacrificed his game and statistics a ton to fit in to a superteam. His name may be more recognizable, but I am uncertain his game and abilities will hold as strongly throughout history as they may have had he been a number one or number two guy somewhere else.

Then again, I think the fact he had those big years in Toronto in the first place may help him. I envision debates occurring in the future where Bosh's skills are spoken poorly of, citing his Heat career, only for folks to remind others that he could really play, citing his Toronto times.

Either way, I do not believe Kyle Lowry is a great example for this question. I think it'd make more sense to take a player who was a Dream Teamer and rightful All-Star starter who hadn't won a championship and see where that leads us. For instance, folks like Chris Mullin and Alex English are quite memorable despite winning zero NBA championships. Had we cut their their roles dramatically at age 26 (like Bosh), I'm not sure they'd have the same lore they hold today, though they'd surely remain recognizable.

[Legends66NBA7]

Pretty obvious. He'll be remembered as the 3rd wheel on the Heat, while I also being fortunate he plays in the Eastern Conference for all-star spots. No way he makes 9 straight all-star appearances in the Western Conference.


No one is gonna remember the Raptors best player. Nobody is gonna remember Kyle Lowry in 20 years time.

Kyle Lowry isn't even the best player in Raptors history, even if he decides to stay for years to come. I doubt he can eclipse Vince Carter as the best Raptor and I doubt he will remain the team's best player. I see DeMar DeRozan and possibly even Jonas Valanciunas surpassing him.


He put in 7 years and didn't win a playoff series.

His playoff play justified that.

[Rake2204]

He wanted to compete for titles instead of struggling in the first round and he seemingly has that now. If they 3peat (and keep winning big), he's a sure-thing HoF imo. Being considered an important piece on a historic squad will probably be more fulfilling for him than being first-round fodder.

Sure, Toronto may have been able to put some pieces around him eventually, but I don't think he wanted to waste any more time waiting to compete. He put in 7 years and didn't win a playoff series.

EDIT: Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but:
http://grantland.com/features/chris-bosh-2014-miami-heat-career-scoring/Solid article, and timely. I wonder if maybe Bosh is going to end up having a career that those "in the know" will be able to reference and appreciate while those less familiar with this era may overlook or understate his abilities and importance.

But even then I don't know. I think the three of those Dream Teamers signing together at the same time on the same team is going to resonate throughout history as an explanation for one team's dominance in this particular era, so I guess Bosh's greatness will be laid out there from the start (since he's a part of the Big Three).

Or maybe people will discount the "big three" theory by trying to say Bosh wasn't actually that good, whereas a sustained career of huge numbers in Toronto may have made it much more difficult to criticize Bosh in that regard.

[jstern]

It has enhanced it in the sense that it's made him a lot more famous, a lot more exposure with deep playoff runs year after year, and that he's definitely is going to be more remembered years after he retires.

That would also lead to people from the future to look at his numbers before joining the Heat and seeing what he was capable of.

Winning enhances everything.

Heck, a lot of kids think Steve Kerr was an all time great because he was on a lot of winning teams.

[Rose'sACL]

Ok
http://i.imgur.com/fnEPfAs.jpg
lebron is fcking your mind.

[Quizno]

hell yeah it has, bosh has been clutch as **** during their run

[2LeTTeRS]

Had he stayed in Toronto or went to another pretty good team while winning no titles he'd probably only be remembered as a taller Antawn Jamison or Shareef Abdur-Rahim with a absolute ceiling of Elton Brand; I'd much rather have titles than that type of impact.

[CelticBaller]

http://i.imgur.com/fnEPfAs.jpg
lebron is fcking my mom.
Ok

[rhowen4]

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+ things when everyone had been watching like the game 6 offensive rebound, game winners

yes it has

[oh the horror]

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Good answer you simple minded little f*gg*t.



Jesus Christ. This board is what happens when fathers don't hit their sons.

[oh the horror]

And wait....now Chris Bosh is going to the hall of fame?



What?

[Soundwave]

I think for individual reasons he would've been better off going to Chicago. Noah-Bosh-Rose could've been a solid core that probably would've eventually won something perhaps and I think he'd be allowed to play his more natural game rather than being a spot up shooter.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

http://i.imgur.com/fnEPfAs.jpg
lebron is fcking your mind.
I didn't know that Bosh wears heels:lol

[Ai2death]

It definitely has, but i would say all their "Legacies" took a hit when they teamed up.

[Rose]

Oh yeah. He wouldn't be in the HoF without his 2 rings... his 9x All Star status isn't enough to enter HoF but with 2 (potentially more) rings and Olympic gold, he's a surefire HoFer wiht those credentials.
this.

[bdreason]

In 10 years all people will see is the rings and the pre-Miami statistics.

[bdreason]

And wait....now Chris Bosh is going to the hall of fame?



What?


Basketball HOF is relatively easy to get in.

[DaSeba5]

Yes. He has been all-star with Miami and winning titles only enhances his legacy. There have been players with worst accolades in the HoF. Would he be a HoFer if he stayed with Toronto and averaged better stats, but never won? Probably not.