Judas Shuttleworth

[BigBoss]

He might be on the verge of a third ring. Would you have done the same thing in his shoes by leaving Boston for a rival in retrospect?

[Solefade]

no shit?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Why would he stay with a franchise that repeatedly disrespected him? Not to mention play with a malcontent PG he couldn't stand? Allen's legacy will ALWAYS be tied to Miami. He hit the biggest shot in NBA history.

[Akrazotile]

He would have more rings without a prime Shaq than Kobe does if they win and IMO you pretty much have to admit Ray > Kobe at that point

[r15mohd]

Why would he stay with a franchise that repeatedly disrespected him? Not to mention play with a malcontent PG he couldn't stand? Allen's legacy will ALWAYS be tied to Miami. He hit the biggest shot in NBA history.


this...and every Celtic fan I've come across hates him and Miami so much more for it, too. love it!!! #AnyoneButBoston

[BigBoss]

Why would he stay with a franchise that repeatedly disrespected him? Not to mention play with a malcontent PG he couldn't stand? Allen's legacy will ALWAYS be tied to Miami. He hit the biggest shot in NBA history.

But why Miami? Thats the point.

[CelticBaller]

I wouldn't, I don't give a **** though. **** that traitor

[sdot_thadon]

Seemed like he meant to stick it to boston from where I'm sitting.

[CelticBaller]

this...and every Celtic fan I've come across hates him and Miami so much more for it, too. love it!!! #AnyoneButBoston
:oldlol:

We had these people sleeping on sodium mountains :oldlol:

[r15mohd]

But why Miami? Thats the point.


like Lebron, he took matters into his own hands...he went where:

1-he'd be appreciated
2-a chance at ring(s)
3-continually active SG/3pt role

it was a no-brainer for him...plus his family was partly behind the change to South FL too. completely a win-win for Jesus!

[r15mohd]

Seemed like he meant to stick it to boston from where I'm sitting.


definitely can't rule this out :applause:

[SilkkTheShocker]

But why Miami? Thats the point.

1. He wanted to play for titles.
2. Wanted to play for someone that appreciated him. Riley, LeBron, etc recruited him the first second he was on the market.
3. He wanted to play golf on the Florida golf courses. Said something along the lines of enjoying life a little more before retirement.

[sdot_thadon]

1. He wanted to play for titles.
2. Wanted to play for someone that appreciated him. Riley, LeBron, etc recruited him the first second he was on the market.
3. He wanted to play golf on the Florida golf courses. Said something along the lines of enjoying life a little more before retirement.
I thought it was a proverbial dagger in the celtic's heart. Ray is a very calculated and prepared individual. He knew exactly what he was doing and what message it would send to the Celtic front office, and perhaps to some of the players as well.

[Threethrows]

Why would he stay with a franchise that repeatedly disrespected him? Not to mention play with a malcontent PG he couldn't stand? Allen's legacy will ALWAYS be tied to Miami. He hit the biggest shot in NBA history.

Careful, you'll have Boston fans come in and tell you that never happened. They were great to Ray, it was all his fault!

[CelticBaller]

I thought it was a proverbial dagger in the celtic's heart. Ray is a very calculated and prepared individual. He knew exactly what he was doing and what message it would send to the Celtic front office, and perhaps to some of the players as well.
Yes, Ray Allen plotted the downfall of the celtics


Get off the computer kid, you watch too much movies

[J Shuttlesworth]

Of course. Think about the fact that his 3 pt shot literally ended Garnett/Pierce's seasons, and possibly Garnett's career. Revenge is sweet

[BigBoss]

I thought it was a proverbial dagger in the celtic's heart. Ray is a very calculated and prepared individual. He knew exactly what he was doing and what message it would send to the Celtic front office, and perhaps to some of the players as well.

I agree. It reveals character as did LeBron's 2010 decision. They are not role models, but they know how to get what they want in a sleazy way

/thread

[CelticBaller]

Careful, you'll have Boston fans come in and tell you that never happened. They were great to Ray, it was all his fault!
We treated him like every single player is treated, just because you're bald we're not going to suck your balls if you're playing like shit you fgt

[SilkkTheShocker]

I thought it was a proverbial dagger in the celtic's heart. Ray is a very calculated and prepared individual. He knew exactly what he was doing and what message it would send to the Celtic front office, and perhaps to some of the players as well.

Should've added your point also. He definitely wanted to get back at Boston. And signing with Miami was the best way

[CelticBaller]

Of course. Think about the fact that his 3 pt shot literally ended Garnett/Pierce's seasons, and possibly Garnett's career. Revenge is sweet
Revenge? Wtf Ray Allen left them not the other way around :oldlol:

[BasedTom]

:oldlol:

We had these people sleeping on sodium mountains :oldlol:
Or maybe they just don't care for your overrated shit town?

[Boston C's]

Why would he stay with a franchise that repeatedly disrespected him? Not to mention play with a malcontent PG he couldn't stand? Allen's legacy will ALWAYS be tied to Miami. He hit the biggest shot in NBA history.


I don't necessary agree with his legacy being always tied to Miami he was nothing but a sixth man/role player at that point in his career whereas his prime and best yrs were with the bucks and sonics...even in boston he was on the back end of his prime for the first 2 yrs but was still an elite player

I feel like ray regressed significantly by 2010...and by that I mean he was still a good player but not really capable of taking over games anymore

[r15mohd]

Revenge? Wtf Ray Allen left them not the other way around :oldlol:

didn't they try to trade him numerous times during the season...then went after Terry before pitching an offer to Ray? only when the Heat became interested did they say they'd double what the Heat offered?

[Rose'sACL]

I wouldn't, I don't give a **** though. **** that traitor
typical idiot sports fan who watches the game so drunk that he doesn't understand most of it and then watches ESPN to make his opinion.
Celtics tried to treat Allen like a bitch but he left after giving them a fair chance for a while. I hope idiots like you realize that he played most of his career on other teams and celtics got him from another team so how is he traitor?

[rhowen4]

But why Miami? Thats the point.
playing behind dwyane wade vs playing behind avery bradley

[CelticBaller]

Or maybe they just don't care for your overrated shit town?
Championship City= overrated? Sodium :roll:

[r15mohd]

typical idiot sports fan who watches the game so drunk that he doesn't understand most of it and then watches ESPN to make his opinion.
Celtics tried to treat Allen like a bitch but he left after giving them a fair chance for a while. I hope idiots like you realize that he played most of his career on other teams and celtics got him from another team so how is he traitor?


are you asking him for a realization? they live in a fantasy land lol

[CelticBaller]

didn't they try to trade him numerous times during the season...then went after Terry before pitching an offer to Ray? only when the Heat became interested did they say they'd double what the Heat offered?
We also tried to trade pierce and rondo, but they didn't leave the celtics to join the heat :confusedshrug:

Those guys knows it's a business, but they were loyal to each other, the players.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Revenge? Wtf Ray Allen left them not the other way around :oldlol:
He left after the Celtics organization disprespected the hell out of him, and then Garnett/Pierce talked shit about him leaving. **** those worthless dinosaur scrubs. Paul Piece/KG had the audacity to talk shit about Ray leaving, and then they left the Celtics too :roll:

[sdot_thadon]

Yes, Ray Allen plotted the downfall of the celtics


Get off the computer kid, you watch too much movies
Where did I ever say he plotted their downfall? Assume much? The opportunity presented itself under specific circumstances.

I mean how much more obvious could it be? He took less money for a bench role much like the one boston tried to force him into, with the celtic's main eastern conference rivals. Don't need to watch movies to see the situation, just common fvckin sense....

[CelticBaller]

He left after the Celtics organization disprespected the hell out of him, and then Garnett/Pierce talked shit about him leaving. **** those worthless dinosaur scrubs. Paul Piece/KG had the audacity to talk shit about Ray leaving, and then they left the Celtics too :roll:
When did you start watching basketball?

[r15mohd]

We also tried to trade pierce and rondo, but they didn't leave the celtics to join the heat :confusedshrug:

Those guys knows it's a business, but they were loyal to each other, the players.


loyalty doesn't belong in sports...fans need to understand this concept. when a player is around testing free agency after a stint with your team, what do you say about his loyalty then? once you tie your emotions to any player, it's all downhill from there IMO

leave loyalty for your family and close friends

[CelticBaller]

Where did I ever say he plotted their downfall? Assume much? The opportunity presented itself under specific circumstances.

I mean how much more obvious could it be? He took less money for a bench role much like the one boston tried to force him into, with the celtic's main eastern conference rivals. Don't need to watch movies to see the situation, just common fvckin sense....
Yet when he came to boston he came looking for the acceptance of KG and Pierce? You are presenting ray as some calculated villain who acted out of a grudge instead of an opportunity presenting itself

[sdot_thadon]

How was what ray did any different from what robert horry did back in the early 2000s?

[CelticBaller]

close friends
Big 3

[sdot_thadon]

Yet when he came to boston he came looking for the acceptance of KG and Pierce? You are presenting ray as some calculated villain who acted out of a grudge instead of an opportunity presenting itself
That was when the team was in it's infancy for one. 2nd you're still assuming bro, you know what that does right? I never said he was a villian either, but I will say you're an idiot if you think his move wasn't somewhat out of spite.

[r15mohd]

Yet when he came to boston he came looking for the acceptance of KG and Pierce? You are presenting ray as some calculated villain who acted out of a grudge instead of an opportunity presenting itself


you believe there was no grudge with him in Boston? :biggums:

[ForeverHeat]

Celtics disrespected him, so he took his talents to South Beach. I dont think he regrets it for a second. He has won another ring, has a chance to get a third and forever establish himself as having a superior legacy to both Pierce and Garnett.

[r15mohd]

Big 3

smh...from a fan to player perspective, I even highlighted that in my post! :facepalm

[CelticBaller]

That was when the team was in it's infancy for one. 2nd you're still assuming bro, you know what that does right? I never said he was a villian either, but I will say you're an idiot if you think his move wasn't somewhat out of spite.
Because I'm making fun of you? What you're insinuating is so ****ing hilarious I'm making a joke out if it and you can't even notice it :oldlol:

[Rose'sACL]

loyalty doesn't belong in sports...fans need to understand this concept. when a player is around testing free agency after a stint with your team, what do you say about his loyalty then? once you tie your emotions to any player, it's all downhill from there IMO

leave loyalty for your family and close friends
he thinks that a privately owned basketball club which uses the city/state's name just so that it can make money cares about loyalty.
The only people who get jobs in the franchise after retirement are either really big names or people who sucked owner's dick. There are so many so called "true" sports fans that have no idea about loyalty towards their kids or wife but are proud of supporting a privately owned sports club.
Support your team but keep it in check.

[CelticBaller]

smh...from a fan to player perspective, I even highlighted that in my post! :facepalm
What did I say in my original post? They were loyal to each other, not me.

[sdot_thadon]

Because I'm making fun of you? What you're insinuating is so ****ing hilarious I'm making a joke out if it and you can't even notice it :oldlol:
Nah, but nice duck homie. :wtf:

[CelticBaller]

Nah, but nice duck homie. :wtf:
Aight, just keep your Ray Allen theories in your fan fiction folder

[ILLsmak]

But why Miami? Thats the point.

Miami is the only dynasty level team in the nba right now. They were guaranteed to be in finals.

-Smak

[sdot_thadon]

Aight, just keep your Ray Allen theories in your fan fiction folder
Refute or stfu.
It's not like there wasn't any other teams that could have used an alltime great shooting guard to get over the hump....
Chi
Okc
Spurs
Even the pacers at that point.

Some of these places could have payed him better and gave him a larger role/starting job.

[CelticBaller]

Refute or stfu.
It's not like there wasn't any other teams that could have used an alltime great shooting guard to get over the hump....
Chi
Okc
Spurs
Even the pacers at that point.

Some of these places could have payed him better and gave him a larger role/starting job.

[sdot_thadon]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]

[SIRI1]

Refute or stfu.
It's not like there wasn't any other teams that could have used an alltime great shooting guard to get over the hump....
Chi
Okc
Spurs
Even the pacers at that point.

Some of these places could have payed him better and gave him a larger role/starting job.
Dont think any of those teams showed interest. If I remember correctly, the only 3 championship caliber teams that showed interest in him were the Clippers, Heat and Grizzlies. The Clippers then signed Jamal Crawford, so that left just the Heat and Grizzlies.

[sdot_thadon]

Dont think any of those teams showed interest. If I remember correctly, the only 3 championship caliber teams that showed interest in him were the Clippers, Heat and Grizzlies. The Clippers then signed Jamal Crawford, so that left just the Heat and Grizzlies.
Well, I can respect that. Can't remember if it happened before or after okc shipped harden out. Only thing I really was pointing out was that ray knew what he was getting into.

[CelticBaller]

Dont think any of those teams showed interest. If I remember correctly, the only 3 championship caliber teams that showed interest in him were the Clippers, Heat and Grizzlies. The Clippers then signed Jamal Crawford, so that left just the Heat and Grizzlies.
No point in arguing

[J Shuttlesworth]

When did you start watching basketball?
Nice retort. Which part of that are you denying? Would you really stay with an organization who disrespected you if you were an all time great like Ray Allen?

To answer your question, I've been watching Ray Allen since his Bucks days, but that wasn't when i started watching.

[Ariza4three]

Why Miami? There is no one reason. There are multiples:

1) Miami is a championship contender
2) Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, and Pat Riley recruited him constantly, showing him how valuable he can be to this Miami team. Boston on the other hand, contacted Jason Terry FIRST, then Ray Allen.
3) Ray didn't want to be traded. It's clear as day. His relationship with Rondo deteriorated when he and Rondo were said that they could be traded if Rondo doesn't keep up his behavior. Plus, people keep saying Pierce and Rondo were in trade rumors. Yes that's true, but Ray was contacted by Doc/Ainge that he HAS BEEN TRADED to the Memphis Grizzlies only for the deal to be shot down. Big difference. Ray wanted to stay in Boston, but the fact that he was nearly TRADED meant that he felt that he wasn't wanted.
4) Family helped him decided that Miami was a better destination. Whether or not it could be that the fact they felt Ray was disrespected or it is a better location for the family members is up to the question. His mother lived in Orlando as far as I know, so that helped with his decision.
5) Personal reasons like golf and good enough hospital for his son.
6) Contract situation. Most of the Boston players had 3 year contracts. Ray had 2 if he was to sign. Boston only increased the monetary value of his contract when they felt threatened that Ray might leave and then added a no trade clause. They should have given him the 3 year deal like most of his other teammates instead of the 2. Then should quickly have inserted a no trade before Miami became too enticing
7) Direction of Boston. Whether it would mean Ray would lose his starting role or the fact that he sees a major flaw in the Celtics gave him reason to leave before he might waste any precious seasons he has left.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Doc Rivers thought he was done and was giving his playing time to guys liek Avery Bradley. The fans thought he was done.

The Celtics, as an organization, thought he was done. So the Celtics FO decided to replace him... and so they courted Jason Terry and signed him - they assumed he was the better player at the time. The FO only cared about Ray once they saw that Miami was about to sign him. Then all of a sudden, Celtics FO offered no trade clauses, more money, etc.

So, Doc Rivers was a factor, for doubting him.

Rondo was a factor, for being an asshat.

The Celtics FO was a factor, for trading him (the trade was completed on the Celtics part)


and Miami was a factor, for being the best team in the league and having LBJ, Wade, Bosh, and Pat Riley all begging Ray to come play ball with them in South Beach. They appreciated him, told him about team basketball, and his large role on the team.

No brainer.

[The Sting]

Dont think any of those teams showed interest. If I remember correctly, the only 3 championship caliber teams that showed interest in him were the Clippers, Heat and Grizzlies. The Clippers then signed Jamal Crawford, so that left just the Heat and Grizzlies.
Lol at Grizzlies ever being championship caliber

[Sharmer]

He actually brought over a stack of Allen fans to Miami. But like James did in Cleveland, obviously to a lesser extent.

[Inferno]

Well I'd much rather live in Miami than Boston.

[DMV2]

Miami was pretty much the perfect place for an all-time GOAT shooter who's near retirement.

- Guaranteed trip to the Finals for the next 2-3 years.
- Have the best player in the game
- Have the best SG in the game.

[DaSeba5]

Why Miami? There is no one reason. There are multiples:

1) Miami is a championship contender
2) Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, and Pat Riley recruited him constantly, showing him how valuable he can be to this Miami team. Boston on the other hand, contacted Jason Terry FIRST, then Ray Allen.
3) Ray didn't want to be traded. It's clear as day. His relationship with Rondo deteriorated when he and Rondo were said that they could be traded if Rondo doesn't keep up his behavior. Plus, people keep saying Pierce and Rondo were in trade rumors. Yes that's true, but Ray was contacted by Doc/Ainge that he HAS BEEN TRADED to the Memphis Grizzlies only for the deal to be shot down. Big difference. Ray wanted to stay in Boston, but the fact that he was nearly TRADED meant that he felt that he wasn't wanted.
4) Family helped him decided that Miami was a better destination. Whether or not it could be that the fact they felt Ray was disrespected or it is a better location for the family members is up to the question. His mother lived in Orlando as far as I know, so that helped with his decision.
5) Personal reasons like golf and good enough hospital for his son.
6) Contract situation. Most of the Boston players had 3 year contracts. Ray had 2 if he was to sign. Boston only increased the monetary value of his contract when they felt threatened that Ray might leave and then added a no trade clause. They should have given him the 3 year deal like most of his other teammates instead of the 2. Then should quickly have inserted a no trade before Miami became too enticing
7) Direction of Boston. Whether it would mean Ray would lose his starting role or the fact that he sees a major flaw in the Celtics gave him reason to leave before he might waste any precious seasons he has left.

This is spot on.

[oarabbus]

The only people who blame Ray are butthurt C's fans. 99.999% of people would do what he did.

[Ancient Legend]

Miami was pretty much the perfect place for an all-time GOAT shooter who's near retirement.



Physically Ray looks like he could still play 4-5 years more, dude is in perfect shape and doesn't play heavy minutes, and is still contributing in key moments.

[Sharmer]

He did what was best for this career. He should be given credit for this.

The Celtics had him on the trading block for a while and they brought in Jason Terry, who's pretty much the same style of player.

Pierce and KG were traded not long after anyways. So he showed great foresight, in his decision making.