Where does this Miami Heat team rank with 4th straight finals appearance?

[Solefade]

-Only team to do so since Bird's Celtics which featured 4 HoF players
-Even the spurs have not made repeat appearances with their 4 championships
-Not even Shaq's 3peat Lakers
-Not even the great Bulls squads w/ MJ

also considering how hard it is for teams to get along with each other, this is worth mentioning.

where does this team rank all time?

[TheMarkMadsen]

the Celtics beat almost as many 50 wins teams in 86, than the heat have from 11-14

[J Shuttlesworth]

the Celtics beat almost as many 50 wins teams in 86, thanthebheat have from 11-14
The Heat beat the best competition in the west the last two years, and are about to backdoor sweep the #1 defensive team in the league. Deal with it

But they have to 3 peat for their run to be > Shaq/Kobe's, or Jordan's. The fact that they're 3 peating on a 4th straight final is impressive when you think of all the minutes Bron is playing

[Levity]

where do you rank them, lil sole?

[Milbuck]

They're up there. The only modern era teams I would put above them are Jordan's Bulls, Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, and the 3-peat Lakers. The Duncan era Spurs are debatable. If the Heat win it all, it's a very close call. 4 straight finals appearances winning 3 out of 4 is pretty damn impressive, but then again, being a contender for most of 15 years and winning 4 in that span is also impressive.

[Solefade]

where do you rank them, lil sole?


depends on whether they 3peat or not

[Trollsmasher]

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[oh the horror]

The Heat beat the best competition in the west the last two years, and are about to backdoor sweep the #1 defensive team in the league. Deal with it

But they have to 3 peat for their run to be > Shaq/Kobe's, or Jordan's. The fact that they're 3 peating on a 4th straight final is impressive when you think of all the minutes Bron is playing



One three peat makes them better than Jordan's Bulls or Shaq and Kobe's Lakers?



Again when you have the luxery of mercing a weak conference while the west kicks the shit out of one another it's a plus.


I'm not saying it downplays the fact that they are one of the best teams ever but context does matter in regards to how you rank an entire team.



Jordan's Bulls threepeated twice dude. That's hardcore.



Now if people wanna rank them higher than Shaq and Kobe's Laker teams then that's another discussion to be broken down and all of that.

[J Shuttlesworth]

One three peat makes them better than Jordan's Bulls or Shaq and Kobe's Lakers?
.
Better than the teams? not necessarily, but better 3 peat runs? Arguably, yes. If they are able to 3 peat while going to the finals 4 straight times, that is more impressive in my opinion than winning a 3 peat, but missing the finals the next/previous year.

Obviously 3 peating twice is an INSANE accomplishment, but I'm saying that 3 titles in 4 finals is better than Shaq/Kobe's 3 peat, or ONE of Jordan's 3 peats, not both of them.

[Hey Yo]

the Celtics beat almost as many 50 wins teams in 86, than the heat have from 11-14
:cry: :cry:

[Milbuck]

Better than the teams? not necessarily, but better 3 peat runs? Arguably, yes. If they are able to 3 peat while going to the finals 4 straight times, that is more impressive in my opinion than winning a 3 peat, but missing the finals the next/previous year.

Obviously 3 peating twice is an INSANE accomplishment, but I'm saying that 3 titles in 4 finals is better than Shaq/Kobe's 3 peat, or ONE of Jordan's 3 peats, not both of them.
Are we totally disregarding competition now? Because there is zero doubt in my mind that Jordan's championship Bulls would've made 4 straight Finals in this Eastern conference. You can't call it a better 3-peat run without factoring in difficulty.

[oh the horror]

I will say this. Regardless of the teams they've
Played miami over the last several years have played a LOT of basketball. So 4 finals appearances and winning 3 is impressive

[mark henson 123]

Miami has no true center!!

shaq and kobe:coleman: would sweep LeBron!

[97 bulls]

Better than the teams? not necessarily, but better 3 peat runs? Arguably, yes. If they are able to 3 peat while going to the finals 4 straight times, that is more impressive in my opinion than winning a 3 peat, but missing the finals the next/previous year.

Obviously 3 peating twice is an INSANE accomplishment, but I'm saying that 3 titles in 4 finals is better than Shaq/Kobe's 3 peat, or ONE of Jordan's 3 peats, not both of them.
It depends on how you look at it. The Bulls never got a legitimate chance at a fourth title because Jordan retired after the first threepeat, and the Bulls were broken up by management after the second.


I see no reason why the Bulls dont win in 94 with Jordan on that team. Or in 99 if they were broken up. Or at least to your argument make it to the Finals.

And dont forget the Bulls domiance. 72, 69, and 62 wins with Pippen missing half the season. You think the Heat could win 50 games if Wade missed half the season?

[mark henson 123]

It depends on how you look at it. The Bulls never got a legitimate chance at a fourth title because Jordan retired after the first threepeat, and the Bulls were broken up by management after the second.


I see no reason why the Bulls dont win in 94 with Jordan on that team. Or in 99 if they were broken up. Or at least to your argument make it to the Finals.

And dont forget the Bulls domiance. 72, 69, and 62 wins with Pippen missing half the season. You think the Heat could win 50 games if Wade missed half the season?


ron harper
Michael Jordan
scottie pippen
dennis rodman
luc longely

72 and 10 1996 nba champions!:coleman:

[NASH = BEST]

I posted this in a different (similar) thread yesterday, and I'll say in this one again.

I don't think there is much to brag about coming out of this East for 4 straight years.

In fact, there is a good chance that if you replace the Heat with either the Spurs, Mavs, and OKC for the past 4 years and these teams likely make the Finals for 4 straight years coming out of the east too.

Likewise, if you put the Heat in the West playoffs the past 4 years, I doubt they make it to 4 straight Finals.

Now, that's not to say that I won't be impressed with them 3-peating. I just wouldn't rank them ahead of the previous teams that have 3-peated just because they went to 4 straight Finals. Coming out of this eastern conference diminishes that accomplishment.

[mark henson 123]

It depends on how you look at it. The Bulls never got a legitimate chance at a fourth title because Jordan retired after the first threepeat, and the Bulls were broken up by management after the second.


I see no reason why the Bulls dont win in 94 with Jordan on that team. Or in 99 if they were broken up. Or at least to your argument make it to the Finals.

And dont forget the Bulls domiance. 72, 69, and 62 wins with Pippen missing half the season. You think the Heat could win 50 games if Wade missed half the season?


the 94 bulls would lose to rocktes in six
they cant guard akeem

the 99 bulls would lose the spurs:coleman:

[Solefade]

I posted this in a different (similar) thread yesterday, and I'll say in this one again.

I don't think there is much to brag about coming out of this East for 4 straight years.

In fact, there is a good chance that if you replace the Heat with either the Spurs, Mavs, and OKC for the past 4 years and these teams likely make the Finals for 4 straight years coming out of the east too.

Likewise, if you put the Heat in the West playoffs the past 4 years, I doubt they make it to 4 straight Finals.

Now, that's not to say that I won't be impressed with them 3-peating. I just wouldn't rank them ahead of the previous teams that have 3-peated just because they went to 4 straight Finals. Coming out of this eastern conference diminishes that accomplishment.

no matter what way you slice it, the amount of basketball lebron has played over the last 4 years is an insane amount of basketball and it's really disrespectful for someone to downplay that amount of basketball while advancing to the finals regardless of competition...he had his own adversity within the team too with all of the injuries to wade and bosh

[97 bulls]

the 94 bulls would lose to rocktes in six
they cant guard akeem

the 99 bulls would lose the spurs:coleman:
The Rockets needed seven games and a terrible Johns Starks shooting performance to beat a Knicks team that needed seven games and a bad call to beat the Bulls without Jordan.

We will just have to disagree on 99.

[NASH = BEST]

no matter what way you slice it, the amount of basketball lebron has played over the last 4 years is an insane amount of basketball and it's really disrespectful for someone to downplay that amount of basketball while advancing to the finals regardless of competition...he had his own adversity within the team too with all of the injuries to wade and bosh

I thought the topic was about Miami and not LeBron :confusedshrug:

And no one is downplaying the adversity that LeBron has had to endure the past 4 years.

But your argument for wanting to rank this Heat team on par or ahead of the previous 3-Peat teams is because they've made it to 4 straight Finals.

LOL, they came out the east dude :hammerhead:

This could have been done by many good West teams of the past 10 years.

[SCdac]

They're dominating the competition of today, but what does that mean in the grand scheme?

How good is the competition of today. The ancient Spurs nearly won a championship against the Heat and the Mavs who won in 2011 are hardly all-time great.

Kevin Durant's thunder are still really young, arguably the Heat's best competition.

[Beastmode88]

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[Ancient Legend]

They're up there. The only modern era teams I would put above them are Jordan's Bulls, Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, and the 3-peat Lakers. The Duncan era Spurs are debatable. If the Heat win it all, it's a very close call. 4 straight finals appearances winning 3 out of 4 is pretty damn impressive, but then again, being a contender for most of 15 years and winning 4 in that span is also impressive.

This.

Also the 2008 Celtics vs the best version of the current Heat would be a hell of a showdown.

[mark henson 123]

The Rockets needed seven games and a terrible Johns Starks shooting performance to beat a Knicks team that needed seven games and a bad call to beat the Bulls without Jordan.

We will just have to disagree on 99.
how come Michael Jordan couldn't beat the magic in 1995?
got the ball stolen from him.the turned the ball over
they lose to magic in six.
shaq beat Jordan in 1995
remember?
:coleman:

[mark henson 123]

The Rockets needed seven games and a terrible Johns Starks shooting performance to beat a Knicks team that needed seven games and a bad call to beat the Bulls without Jordan.

We will just have to disagree on 99.
they wouldnt:coleman: beat bowen horry and Duncan
the spurs would d up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:coleman:

[97 bulls]

how come Michael Jordan couldn't beat the magic in 1995?
got the ball stolen from him.the turned the ball over
they lose to magic in six.
shaq beat Jordan in 1995
remember?
:coleman:
The Bulls swept the Magic in 96. They routinly beat the Heat with Mourning at Center as well as the Patrick Ewing led Knicks. They used to punk the Cavs who had Brad Daugherty at Center. They had no problem beating teams with great Bigs.

[DaSeba5]

The team itself doesn't rank among the best of the best because they went to 4 straight Finals, but Miami would be the first non-Celtics/Lakers franchise to make 4 straight Finals. That's historic. Those two franchises are in a class of their own.

[Sharmer]

If you take into consideration the weak Eastern conference. It really does diminish the achievement.

[Just2McFly]

the Celtics beat almost as many 50 wins teams in 86, than the heat have from 11-14
they have also faced more 50 loss teams than the heat have over the same stretch:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Keno]

3rd best team of all time if they accomplish it.

[poido123]

the 94 bulls would lose to rocktes in six
they cant guard akeem

the 99 bulls would lose the spurs:coleman:



And they can guard Jordan and Pippen? It's not a one way street my friend :oldlol:

[Micku]

-Only team to do so since Bird's Celtics which featured 4 HoF players
-Even the spurs have not made repeat appearances with their 4 championships
-Not even Shaq's 3peat Lakers
-Not even the great Bulls squads w/ MJ

also considering how hard it is for teams to get along with each other, this is worth mentioning.

where does this team rank all time?

In the lower tier. It's mostly because of their competition and how they aren't dominating them as well.

I personally don't think this Heat team is better than a lot of teams in NBA history. I don't think they are better than Shaq/Kobe Lakers, second 3peat Bulls, 92 Bulls, 83 76ers, 1985 and 86 Celts, 84, 85, and 87 Lakers.

I think the Heat team would have trouble with Shaq/Penny Magic team, Kings 02, the 93 Suns, and early 90s Knicks and bad boys Pistons. Teams like the Bucks 71 and 72 Lakers would eat the frontline alive, but they might not stop LBJ either, but it depends on how well they protect the paint.

Most of the teams are a bad mismatch for the Heat because they had superior frontline or players that impact the game just as good as LBJ. And some of them had better RS record than the Heat while dealing with better competition, and some of the teams dominated.

Even if you ignore the level of play of past teams and the potential mismatch they would have, the Heat imo don't dominate their competition as well as they should/could. They play down to their competition too often.

[TheMarkMadsen]

they have also faced more 50 loss teams than the heat have over the same stretch:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


Like..?

[HurricaneKid]

4 straight finals appearances winning 3 out of 4 is pretty damn impressive.

The last team that has achieved this had Bill Russell at C. When the league had 12 (might have been 14) teams.

It would be damn impressive.

[Micku]

They're up there. The only modern era teams I would put above them are Jordan's Bulls, Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, and the 3-peat Lakers. The Duncan era Spurs are debatable. If the Heat win it all, it's a very close call. 4 straight finals appearances winning 3 out of 4 is pretty damn impressive, but then again, being a contender for most of 15 years and winning 4 in that span is also impressive.

This is true. I agree that 4 straight Finals appearances is very impressive.

But you don't think the 83 76ers are better than this Heat team?

[oh the horror]

Are we totally disregarding competition now? Because there is zero doubt in my mind that Jordan's championship Bulls would've made 4 straight Finals in this Eastern conference. You can't call it a better 3-peat run without factoring in difficulty.



Bro, they're all going to disregard competition now and you know that.

[LeBird]

Bro, they're all going to disregard competition now and you know that.

So the same thing they did for Jordan?

[Micku]

Bro, they're all going to disregard competition now and you know that.

Kind'a sucks that the East is so terrible. But the Heat did beat the best of the West for two years in a row. In a way, it reminds me of the Showtime Lakers and how they didn't really have a lot of competition like the East did back in the day, but they usually beat the best team of the East.

[sportjames23]

-Only team to do so since Bird's Celtics which featured 4 HoF players
-Even the spurs have not made repeat appearances with their 4 championships
-Not even Shaq's 3peat Lakers
-Not even the great Bulls squads w/ MJ
also considering how hard it is for teams to get along with each other, this is worth mentioning.

where does this team rank all time?


Um, that wouldn't have anything to do with MJ retiring after both three-peats and the break-up of the second three-peat squad, would it?

[sportjames23]

So the same thing they did for Jordan?


Really?

[Solefade]

Um, that wouldn't have anything to do with MJ retiring after both three-peats and the break-up of the second three-peat squad, would it?


the point is did they do it or not? :confusedshrug:

[Real14]

behind tha 04 pistons.

[East_Stone_Ya]

in the top 10

[sportjames23]

the point is did they do it or not? :confusedshrug:

It wasn't because they failed doe. :confusedshrug:

[Dresta]

the Celtics beat almost as many 50 wins teams in 86, than the heat have from 11-14
Nice arbitrary (the label of 50 wins means nothing - see 2010 Celtics) and completely fabricated piece of info you've got right there.

In 2011 alone Miami played as many 50-win teams as the 86 Celtics


Miami had Philly (41 wins), Boston (56 wins), Chicago (62 wins), Dallas (57 wins).

Boston had Chicago (30 wins!), Atlanta (50 wins), Bucks (57 wins), Rockets (51 wins).

So looks like Miami faced superior competition in each and every round as per your logic, as well as as many 50 win teams in a single playoff run (more 40+ win teams also, a 5 game first round rather than 3). Miami went 4-1, 4-1, 4-1 on their way to the finals, against (using your logic again) superior teams than the 86 Celtics faced, and were a Lebron choke away from doing the same thing in the finals. That basically means that you are arguing that aside from Lebron's mental breakdown in the finals, Miami had a superior playoff run to the 86 Celtics, against superior teams.

This is what you have argued, not me. Try to think in the future before posting nonsense next time, because you've just made the argument outlined above by extension.

11 Heat - Bron choke > 86 Celtics says The MarkMadsen

[Just2McFly]

Like..?
the 86 bulls, learn your nba history lame ass

[97 bulls]

I think this has to be said in all fairness. This Heat Dynasty is great. When its all said and done, they will have four hall of famers in James, Wade, Bosh, and Spoelstra, arguably the greatest shooter ever in Allen (and hes also going to be in the Hall of Fame).

Four straight Finals appearances, a possible threepeat and counting. So what if Wade had a bad playoffs? He was hurt. Why penalize him? When Birds teams lost injuries were used as an excuse for them. The same with the Lakers, Pistons ect.

And while the East may be bade, the Heat beat the Western Conference representative. As with one being the Dynasty Spurs.

Heat fans are doing this team a disservice by attempting to berating their team. And make it easy for naysayers to diminish what this team is currently accomplishing.

Stop arguing for James only or Wade and defend your team.

[Champ]

the 86 bulls, learn your nba history lame ass

Speaking of history, you're aware Jordan missed most of the regular season that year, right?

With him averaging over 40 in the playoffs, they were a completely different team, and would've likely had a shot at 50 wins had he played the entire season.

[Champ]

Nice arbitrary (the label of 50 wins means nothing - see 2010 Celtics) and completely fabricated piece of info you've got right there.

In 2011 alone Miami played as many 50-win teams as the 86 Celtics


Miami had Philly (41 wins), Boston (56 wins), Chicago (62 wins), Dallas (57 wins).

Boston had Chicago (30 wins!), Atlanta (50 wins), Bucks (57 wins), Rockets (51 wins).

So looks like Miami faced superior competition in each and every round as per your logic, as well as as many 50 win teams in a single playoff run (more 40+ win teams also, a 5 game first round rather than 3). Miami went 4-1, 4-1, 4-1 on their way to the finals, against (using your logic again) superior teams than the 86 Celtics faced, and were a Lebron choke away from doing the same thing in the finals. That basically means that you are arguing that aside from Lebron's mental breakdown in the finals, Miami had a superior playoff run to the 86 Celtics, against superior teams.

This is what you have argued, not me. Try to think in the future before posting nonsense next time, because you've just made the argument outlined above by extension.

11 Heat - Bron choke > 86 Celtics says The MarkMadsen

Except that that '86 Bulls team destroys that '11 Philly team with a healthy Jordan in the lineup.

[Dengness9]

The Heat beat the best competition in the west the last two years, and are about to backdoor sweep the #1 defensive team in the league. Deal with it

But they have to 3 peat for their run to be > Shaq/Kobe's, or Jordan's. The fact that they're 3 peating on a 4th straight final is impressive when you think of all the minutes Bron is playing


Your always such a bitch.

The Heat beat the best comp in the West after they slaughter each other for 3 rounds.

The Heat almost never play 50 win teams let alone a 60 win team. Getting to the finals in the east the last 3 years isn't much of an accomplishment when you look at the injuries to other stars in the East and the flat out shitty teams w/ out injured stars.

You call the Pacers the #1 defensive team in the league meanwhile you dont mention they were under 500 the last 25 games of the regular season and went 7 games against a 38 win Hawks team w/ no true star.

Accomplishments of getting to the finals, not even winning it are teams like one of the Rockets chip years when they beat 3 50+ win teams just to get to the finals.

What the Heat are doing in the east is shit. THERES NO COMPETITION.

*

[Dengness9]

The only time (2011) the Heat actually had to play 3 good teams in the playoffs, they couldn't win it.

Since then it's been an absolute cake walk of shitty teams or teams that use to be good/great but were past their primes.

If the Heat actually had to face good teams from the 2nd round on in the last 2 seasons, they wouldn't have two titles.

It makes the NBA a joke w/ what has been going on in the EC the last few years. 3 franchise players in one conference going to one team killed the competition. Just what they wanted. for it to be easy.

I don't respect them for shit.

[Dengness9]

If Rose doesn't go down in 2012 playoffs, at least there would have been a good team in the conference in the way of the Heat.

But everything goes their way so it is what it is.

[Solefade]

If Rose doesn't go down in 2012 playoffs, at least there would have been a good team in the conference in the way of the Heat.

But everything goes their way so it is what it is.


that boston team would have beaten 2012 bulls w/ healthy rose :confusedshrug:

[Solefade]

It wasn't because they failed doe. :confusedshrug:


if they didn't do it it's a hypothetical :confusedshrug:

[Rose'sACL]

Your always such a bitch.

The Heat beat the best comp in the West after they slaughter each other for 3 rounds.

The Heat almost never play 50 win teams let alone a 60 win team. Getting to the finals in the east the last 3 years isn't much of an accomplishment when you look at the injuries to other stars in the East and the flat out shitty teams w/ out injured stars.

You call the Pacers the #1 defensive team in the league meanwhile you dont mention they were under 500 the last 25 games of the regular season and went 7 games against a 38 win Hawks team w/ no true star.

Accomplishments of getting to the finals, not even winning it are teams like one of the Rockets chip years when they beat 3 50+ win teams just to get to the finals.

What the Heat are doing in the east is shit. THERES NO COMPETITION.

*
but they played more games than the WCF winners in last 2 years. Whether East has shittier teams doesn't matter if they matchup well with heat. This year is the only one where they could have had a big rest after ECF.
They played more games so i don't know why you are so mad. Were you this mad at 87 lakers winning it all? they played shittier teams.

[Rose'sACL]

The only time (2011) the Heat actually had to play 3 good teams in the playoffs, they couldn't win it.

Since then it's been an absolute cake walk of shitty teams or teams that use to be good/great but were past their primes.

If the Heat actually had to face good teams from the 2nd round on in the last 2 seasons, they wouldn't have two titles.

It makes the NBA a joke w/ what has been going on in the EC the last few years. 3 franchise players in one conference going to one team killed the competition. Just what they wanted. for it to be easy.

I don't respect them for shit.
did you hate 91 bulls for playing only one good team which was pistons and that too a pistons team that knew that they were done and their key players were thinking about retirement.
To top it all, they played lakers in the finals who had injury problems. at least 87 lakers played a great celtics team in the finals. 91 bulls can't even say that.

[97 bulls]

did you hate 91 bulls for playing only one good team which was pistons and that too a pistons team that knew that they were done and their key players were thinking about retirement.
To top it all, they played lakers in the finals who had injury problems. at least 87 lakers played a great celtics team in the finals. 91 bulls can't even say that.
The 87 Lakers beat a Celtics teams that was riddled with injuries as well. Both Kevin Mchale and Bill Walton were hurt.

[Dresta]

Except that that '86 Bulls team destroys that '11 Philly team with a healthy Jordan in the lineup.
Sorry, but i wasn't using my logic but rather the logic of 'TheMarkMadsen' where the sole determinant of how good a playoff team may be is whether they won 50 games or not in the regular season. Pretty idiotic logic if you ask me, but there you go.

Christ, the Blazers and Rockets were completely average teams this year, and yet they comfortably won 50+. Are we really going to pretend those teams would give Miami more trouble than playing the Pacers last year did?

Hell no.
The only time (2011) the Heat actually had to play 3 good teams in the playoffs, they couldn't win it.

Since then it's been an absolute cake walk of shitty teams or teams that use to be good/great but were past their primes.

If the Heat actually had to face good teams from the 2nd round on in the last 2 seasons, they wouldn't have two titles.

It makes the NBA a joke w/ what has been going on in the EC the last few years. 3 franchise players in one conference going to one team killed the competition. Just what they wanted. for it to be easy.

I don't respect them for shit.
The only time they had to play good teams in the East according to you they lost only 3 games! on the way to the finals. Them losing had nothing to do with the East being more difficult; it was in fact their easiest run through the East with the possible exception of this season. Yet when Miami had 'no competition' they got taken to 7 games 3 times. In 2012 they got taken to 6 by Indiana, and 7 by Boston, yet they beat OKC in 5. Your assertions simply don't add up. You sound like a bitter and resentful loser tbh.


Your always such a bitch.

The Heat beat the best comp in the West after they slaughter each other for 3 rounds.

The Heat almost never play 50 win teams let alone a 60 win team. Getting to the finals in the east the last 3 years isn't much of an accomplishment when you look at the injuries to other stars in the East and the flat out shitty teams w/ out injured stars.

You call the Pacers the #1 defensive team in the league meanwhile you dont mention they were under 500 the last 25 games of the regular season and went 7 games against a 38 win Hawks team w/ no true star.

Accomplishments of getting to the finals, not even winning it are teams like one of the Rockets chip years when they beat 3 50+ win teams just to get to the finals.

What the Heat are doing in the east is shit. THERES NO COMPETITION.

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And San Antonio went 7 games against a very average Dallas team - so? Boston went to 7 against a just as poor Atlanta team the year they won the title.

Indiana were the best defensive team in the league, and they remain perhaps the best defensive team in the league (with the only contenders being San Antonio and Miami when they dial it up).


I think this has to be said in all fairness. This Heat Dynasty is great. When its all said and done, they will have four hall of famers in James, Wade, Bosh, and Spoelstra, arguably the greatest shooter ever in Allen (and hes also going to be in the Hall of Fame).

Four straight Finals appearances, a possible threepeat and counting. So what if Wade had a bad playoffs? He was hurt. Why penalize him? When Birds teams lost injuries were used as an excuse for them. The same with the Lakers, Pistons ect.

And while the East may be bade, the Heat beat the Western Conference representative. As with one being the Dynasty Spurs.

Heat fans are doing this team a disservice by attempting to berating their team. And make it easy for naysayers to diminish what this team is currently accomplishing.

Stop arguing for James only or Wade and defend your team.
:applause:

good post

[Rose'sACL]

The 87 Lakers beat a Celtics teams that was riddled with injuries as well. Both Kevin Mchale and Bill Walton were hurt.
they still were better than the lakers team in 91. i have nothing against 91 bulls or 87 lakers. they would most probably win against way better teams than what they faced in those seasons.

[Micku]

The only time they had to play good teams in the East according to you they lost only 3 games! on the way to the finals. Them losing had nothing to do with the East being more difficult; it was in fact their easiest run through the East with the possible exception of this season. Yet when Miami had 'no competition' they got taken to 7 games 3 times. In 2012 they got taken to 6 by Indiana, and 7 by Boston, yet they beat OKC in 5. Your assertions simply don't add up. You sound like a bitter and resentful loser tbh.


Yeah. I would like to add that the Heat were injured in 2012. Wade was hurt and Bosh was out in the most of the Pacers series and Celtics series. If they were healthy, then the series with the Pacers and Celts may not go 6 and 7 games respectively.

The years that all of the big 3 were healthy were in 2011 and this year.