Proof Kobe Bryant has the greatest impact in NBA history

[kennethgriffin]

- dragged kwame and smush to the playoffs twice

- won back to back championships with pau gasol as his 2nd banana ( only hakeem/walton/barry won with a lower ranked wingman all time )

- single handedly takes the lakers on his back and puts them in the playoffs ( a year later without him they have the worst record in the western conference. even with gasol playing like he did during the 2 titles )




kobes impact is underrated

that 2009 lakers team wasnt much deeper than this years laker team after kobe bryant


2009 NBA CHAMPION LA LAKERS
- Pau Gasol ( allstar )
- Lamar Odom ( never was an allstar. good player )
- Andrew Bynum ( didnt even play during the 2 title runs )
- Trevor Ariza ( good player )
- Derek Fisher ( good in clutch )
- Jordan Farmar ( scrub )
- Luke Walton ( scrub )
- Vladimir Radmanovic ( scrub )
- Sasha Vujacic ( scrub )
- Josh Powell ( scrub )
- DJ Mbenga (scrub )
- Shannon Brown ( scrub )
- Adam Morrison ( scrub )


vs


2014 WESTERN CONFRENCE 2nd WORST RECORD
- Pau Gasol ( averaged same numbers as 2009 - Allstar caliber )
- Steve Nash ( didnt play )
- Nick Young ( really good player )
- Jodie Meeks ( great shooter )
- Chris Kaman ( former allstar )
- Jordan Hill ( good player )
- Steve Blake ( good player )
- Kendall Marshall ( good player )
- Xavier Henry ( good player )
- Jordan Farmar (scrub )
- Wesley Johnson ( scrub )
- Robert Sacre ( scrub )
- Ryan Kelly



we gonna act like kobes team in 2009 wasnt worse than the team that nearly just went for the worst record in the west?

:biggums:

[T_L_P]

Of course you hide behind the "ranked all time" bullshit.

Pau was better than '03 Parker, '11 Terry, '00 Kobe (funnily enough), '06 Shaq, or '13 Wade.

That's like 5 of the past 11, and there's argument for him over some of the other ones in that time.

[LeBron 06]

Pau Gasol in 2009:18.9 PPG on 56%
In 2014....17.4 on 48%


This is not the same player

[Bandito]

Of course you hide behind the "ranked all time" bullshit.

Pau was better than '03 Parker, '11 Terry, '00 Kobe (funnily enough), '06 Shaq, or '13 Wade.

That's like 5 of the past 11, and there's argument for him over some of the other ones in that time.
Stop reading right there. How much of a moron can you be.:facepalm

[LeBron 06]

And some other difference between 2009 and 2014

Of course, the lakers had not Kobe in 2014
The lakers had not Phil Jackson
The Lakers were one of the worst teams in rebounds in 2014 ... The Lakers were one of the best teams in rebounds in 2009
The lakers were very good in defense in 2009....It was awful in 2014

[Jameerthefear]

Did not read.

[LeBron 06]

I can do the same thing with LeBron with the cavs in 2009 and 2014

[TheMarkMadsen]

Pau Gasol in 2009:18.9 PPG on 56%
In 2014....17.4 on 48%


This is not the same player


Yes it is he just didnt have Kobe there to feed him open looks

It's why his FG% went up with Kobe and went down without Kobe.

[T_L_P]

Stop reading right there. How much of a moron can you be.:facepalm

You think '06 Shaq on the 2010 Lakers wins the title? :roll:

[DFish24]

Godbe:bowdown: :bowdown:

[LeBron 06]

Yes it is he just didnt have Kobe there to feed him open looks

It's why his FG% went up with Kobe and went down without Kobe.


Gasol was at 53% in his last year in Memphis(2006-2007)

[moe94]

Yes it is he just didnt have Kobe there to feed him open looks

It's why his FG% went up with Kobe and went down without Kobe.

Fun fact. Players typically age and get worse as the years go by. Weird, I know.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Gasol was at 53% in his last year in Memphis(2006-2007)


He played 59 games..

He was shooting 50% as a grizzly in 08 before being traded to the lakers and the shot 59% as a laker

The next year he shot 57%

[kennethgriffin]

Of course you hide behind the "ranked all time" bullshit.

Pau was better than '03 Parker, '11 Terry, '00 Kobe (funnily enough), '06 Shaq, or '13 Wade.

That's like 5 of the past 11, and there's argument for him over some of the other ones in that time.



gasols 0-16 in the playoffs without kobe

with kobe hes a 2 time champion and a god damn false idol to most kobe haters



maybe kobe made the little spaniard .....BETTER?


all time even with kobes influence hes top 90-100

pretty sad

[TheMarkMadsen]

Fun fact. Players typically age and get worse as the years go by. Weird, I know.


So it was just a coincedence that Paus FG% went up 9% the year he was traded to LA and it was just a coincedence that he shot 57% the very next year?

Had nothing to with playing alongside Kobe

[GODbe]

GOAT gonna GOAT. :pimp:

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron>>>>Kobe all-time.

Move on.

[LongLiveTheKing]

This makes no sense at all lol

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Pau Gasol in 2009:18.9 PPG on 56%
In 2014....17.4 on 48%


This is not the same player

Pau has been openly complaining that Mike D'Antoni doesn't use him correctly.

[LeBron 06]

Kobe had a big impact on Gasol, same for Phil Jackson....Gasol was not the same player with Mike Brown and Mike D'Antoni, even when Kobe was healthy(Gasol had 13 PPG on 47% in 2012-2013)


When Gasol was with Memphis, he was a 20/10 (and 20/9) guy for 2 seasons, so he was not a scrub

[kennethgriffin]

2014 Pau Gasol = 2009 Pau Gasol
Steve Nash ( didnt play ) = Andrew Bynum ( didnt play )
Nick Young = Lamar Odom
Jordan farmar = Jordan Farmar
Steve Blake > Derek Fisher
Jordan hill > Trevor Ariza
Chris Kaman > Vladimir Radmanovic
Kendall Marshall > Sasha Vujacic
Xavier Henry > Shannon Brown
Wesley Johnson = Josh Powell
Robert Sacre = DJ Mbenga
Ryan Kelly = Adam Morrison

but they had luke walton!!!!!!!!!




2014 sh*t lakers >>>>>>>>>>> 2009 Champion lakers


only difference = Kobe Bryant

[LeBron 06]

2014 Pau Gasol = 2009 Pau Gasol
Steve Nash ( didnt play ) = Andrew Bynum ( didnt play )
Nick Young = Lamar Odom
Jordan farmar = Jordan Farmar
Steve Blake > Derek Fisher
Jordan hill > Trevor Ariza
Chris Kaman > Vladimir Radmanovic
Jordan Hill > Luke Walton
Kendall Marshall > Sasha Vujacic
Xavier Henry > Shannon Brown
Wesley Johnson = Josh Powell
Robert Sacre = DJ Mbenga
Ryan Kelly = Adam Morrison




2014 sh*t lakers >>>>>>>>>>> 2009 Champion lakers


only difference = Kobe Bryant




And some other difference between 2009 and 2014

Of course, the lakers had not Kobe in 2014
The lakers had not Phil Jackson
The Lakers were one of the worst teams in rebounds in 2014 ... The Lakers were one of the best teams in rebounds in 2009
The lakers were very good in defense in 2009....It was awful in 2014

[kennethgriffin]

And some other difference between 2009 and 2014

Of course, the lakers had not Kobe in 2014
The lakers had not Phil Jackson
The Lakers were one of the worst teams in rebounds in 2014 ... The Lakers were one of the best teams in rebounds in 2009
The lakers were very good in defense in 2009....It was awful in 2014


i think kobe brings the best out of sh*t players TBH


all the scrubs he played with always got big pay days when they left... then they went nowhere


he made smush look like a quality PG for a while.. and kept kwame in a starting lineup aswell.

[Ne 1]

You think '06 Shaq on the 2010 Lakers wins the title? :roll:
Absolutely.'06 Shaq was still a top 10 player.

[Keno]

most overrated impact in nba history. we saw what happened when he didn't have a dominant front court/center or phil jackson. choking/losing in the first round and missing the playoffs. kobe in his prime with scrubs = missing the playoffs. lebron entering his prime with scrubs = finals.

[Warfan]

The main reason people have kobe between 6-8 (i have him at 10/11) is because of his longevity and championships. His impact doesnt match up to his all-time ranking imo.

Watch how many 'laker fans' have/are gonna shit on the teamates Kobe had. Constantly shit on Laker legends to prop up their lover. Pathetic :facepalm

And i like Kobe and think he's a legend with amazing skill and work ethic, but a lot of people overrate him...

[kennethgriffin]

most overrated impact in nba history. we saw what happened when he didn't have a dominant front court/center or phil jackson. choking/losing in the first round and missing the playoffs. kobe in his prime with scrubs = missing the playoffs. lebron entering his prime with scrubs = finals.


jordan wouldnt do anything with smush and kwame either you facking moron

give kobe a somewhat good roster with atleast one other great player ( even if he isnt top all time 2nd banana material... ) and he gets it done


kobe isnt taking odom as his wingman and luke walton as his 3rd best player to a title.. nobody is

odom never made an allstar game even one god damn time

chris bosh has made like 8 for god sake

[Keno]

jordan wouldnt do anything with smush and kwame either you facking moron

give kobe a somewhat good roster with atleast one other great player ( even if he isnt top all time 2nd banana material... ) and he gets it done


kobe isnt taking odom as his wingman and luke walton as his 3rd best player to a title.. nobody is

odom never made an allstar game even one god damn time

chris bosh has made like 8 for god sake

lebron would definitely make the playoffs with that squad. maybe even a deep playoff run/conference finals. and iirc, bosh has like 2 or 3 all star selections that have been because of injury replacements. the others are due to his popularity, not because of his play. mess me with that bullshit.

[jstern]

I'm going to keep calling you out. You keep pushing this agenda that Kobe some had a weak team with Pau Gasol, when his team was considered stacked. Best front court in the NBA. If you go back to 2009 and 2010, no body was calling them weak, they were calling them favorites to win it all, yet they were taken to seven games by that 5 or 6 seeded Celtics team and not some super team that Kobe had to overcome like you keep implying. Stop trying to change history with your loser Kobe obsession.

[Droid101]

He played 59 games..

He was shooting 50% as a grizzly in 08 before being traded to the lakers and the shot 59% as a laker

The next year he shot 57%
Ouch.

[Bodhi]

I'm going to keep calling you out. You keep pushing this agenda that Kobe some had a weak team with Pau Gasol, when his team was considered stacked. Best front court in the NBA. If you go back to 2009 and 2010, no body was calling them weak, they were calling them favorites to win it all, yet they were taken to seven games by that 5 or 6 seeded Celtics team and not some super team that Kobe had to overcome like you keep implying. Stop trying to change history with your loser Kobe obsession.
In 2008-9 people were calling the Lakers front court soft

After Bynum went down in 2009 narly everyone on this site said the Lakers were done

[j3lademaster]

jordan wouldnt do anything with smush and kwame either you facking moron

give kobe a somewhat good roster with atleast one other great player ( even if he isnt top all time 2nd banana material... ) and he gets it done


kobe isnt taking odom as his wingman and luke walton as his 3rd best player to a title.. nobody is

odom never made an allstar game even one god damn time

chris bosh has made like 8 for god sake Look at the power forwards in the west at that time though- Garnett, Duncan, Nowitski, Amare. It was insane compared to the weak ass east for the past 8 seasons.

[LoneyROY7]

These past two seasons had to have been pretty tough on you, eh griff?

[DFish24]

I learned today that gasol/odom/injured bynum froncourt is "dominant":roll:

[Droid101]

I learned today that gasol/odom/injured bynum froncourt is "dominant":roll:
Odom is the greatest power forward of all time, if that statement is presumed to be true.

So... how many allstar/all nba selections does he have?

[ArbitraryWater]

OP's Thread should be posted in the OTC Cringe Thread... my god

[Hey Yo]

Odom is the greatest power forward of all time, if that statement is presumed to be true.

So... how many allstar/all nba selections does he have?
post #32 answered that question why he doesn't.


Look at the power forwards in the west at that time though- Garnett, Duncan, Nowitski, Amare.

Odom was still very serviceable. Close to avg. a double double even when his minutes got cut with the arrival Pau and Bynum.

The 6th man of the year award is a pretty reputable award on one's resume'. Especially when you were a starter the first 9 years of your career.

That's how you adapt to your role.

[Rodmantheman]

OP's Thread should be posted in the OTC Cringe Thread... my god

:oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

post #32 answered that question why he doesn't.



Odom was still very serviceable. Close to avg. a double double even when his minutes got cut with the arrival Pau and Bynum.

The 6th man of the year award is a pretty reputable award on one's resume'. Especially when you were a starter the first 9 years of your career.

That's how you adapt to your role.

He didn't play his whole career in the west.

Mehmet Okur made an all star team in the west, so did David west in 08 & 09. So I'm not buying your excuse

Josh Howard was an all star forward in the west when Odom was on the Lakers..

Yeah

[Hey Yo]

He didn't play his whole career in the west.

Mehmet Okur made an all star team in the west, so did David West in 08 & 09. So I'm not buying your excuse

Do some homework, outside of 1 season

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/odomla01.html

6th man of the year award > 1 or 2 all-star selections.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Do some homework

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/odomla01.html

6th man of the year award > 1 or 2 all-star selections.

Like I said, he didnt play his whole career in the west :confusedshrug:

6th man of the year >> 1 or 2 all star selections??

So Jamal Crawford > Pau Gasol up until 2011?!

You're acting like Odom was missing the all star game because of Duncan, Dirk, Amare etc..

When in reality it was the likes of Shawn Marion, Josh Howard, Okur & David West..

[Hey Yo]

Like I said, he didnt play his whole career in the west :confusedshrug:

6th man of the year >> 1 or 2 all star selections??

So Jamal Crawford > Pau Gasol up until 2011?!

You're acting like Odom was missing the all star game because of Duncan, Dirk, Amare etc..

When in reality it was the likes of Shawn Marion, Josh Howard, Okur & David West..
weak troll or you're just dumb, yo

no reply needed

[TheMarkMadsen]

weak troll or you're just dumb, yo

no reply needed


Hey Yo, I think it's time to take a survey..

Did you get Ethered?

Yes.

You linked Odoms career page (meaning you looked at it) and still didnt realize he spent a year in the east :lol

You act like Duncan, Dirk & Amare took away Odoms all star chances, when it was really guys like Josh Howard, Shawn Marion, Okur & David West.

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