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[stalkerforlife]

He NEVER unloads his clip, especially if it hurts his shooting percentages. There is only ONE shot I want to see on that last possession...

LEBRON FOR THE WIN.

Lebron is a BETA and he DEFERRED again just like he has done his entire career. He did it for a WHOLE FINALS SERIES in 2011.

He will NEVER surpass Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, etc. NEVER.

[Kvnzhangyay]

This is why you don't know anything about basketball if you don't have him in your top 10:lol

[GODbe]

Well said. :pimp:

[aboss4real24]

hes nt top 10 becuz the refs decided to keep him out the game?

[KBaller33]

Lol calm down.

Everything this guy does is over analyzed

[stalkerforlife]

Well said. :pimp:

Thanks.

[Marchesk]

hes nt top 10 becuz the refs decided to keep him out the game?

He did get to play the 4th though.

[russwest0]

KD was in that same situation time and time again this year.

Vs the Timberwovles. Crossed over his defender to the left, help came by and KD hit a fading shot for the game winner. Vs the Hawks. Sped by his defender to the right, two defenders came to help, KD pulled up for the game winner in the mid range. Vs the Raptors. KD pulled up for the game winning 3. Or refer to the 2012 playoffs where KD hit 3 game winners, etc.

Like you said, real alphas empty their clips.

[stalkerforlife]

Lebron is not who you think he is.

He is a scared little boy that chased rings on the backs of hall of famers in all their primes.

He is NOT top 10 all time. NEVER will be.

Well said.

[stalkerforlife]

KD was in that same situation time and time again this year.

Vs the Timberwovles. Crossed over his defender to the left, help came by and KD hit a fading shot for the game winner. Vs the Hawks. Sped by his defender to the right, two defenders came to help, KD pulled up for the game winner in the mid range. Vs the Raptors. KD pulled up for the game winning 3. Or refer to the 2012 playoffs where KD hit 3 game winners, etc.

Like you said, real alphas empty their clips.

Westbrook is far more alpha than Lebron, too.

[The Repo Man]

He NEVER unloads his clip, especially if it hurts his shooting percentages. There is only ONE shot I want to see on that last possession...

LEBRON FOR THE WIN.

Lebron is a BETA and he DEFERRED again just like he has done his entire career. He did it for a WHOLE FINALS SERIES in 2011.

He will NEVER surpass Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, etc. NEVER.

:applause:

[oarabbus]

Lebron is definitely top 10, however he does need to take the last shot more often

[aj1987]

KD was in that same situation time and time again this year.

Vs the Timberwovles. Crossed over his defender to the left, help came by and KD hit a fading shot for the game winner. Vs the Hawks. Sped by his defender to the right, two defenders came to help, KD pulled up for the game winner in the mid range. Vs the Raptors. KD pulled up for the game winning 3. Or refer to the 2012 playoffs where KD hit 3 game winners, etc.

Like you said, real alphas empty their clips.
Real "alphas" lose to "betas" in the Finals?

[russwest0]

Real "alphas" lose to "betas" in the Finals?

lol no shit, hence Dirk losing to *Wade

[aj1987]

lol no shit, hence Dirk losing to *Wade
Didn't the Heat destroy your hick team in '12? Probably made you cry like a beta bitch. Just like your idol KD.

[Rose'sACL]

i hope you guys know that you have to play conservatively on offense and defense if you have 5 fouls on you.
I don't think anyone here knows anything about basketball.

[russwest0]

Didn't the Heat destroy your hick team in '12? Probably made you cry like a beta bitch. Just like your idol KD.

Silkk's doppelganger :roll: :roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

Silkk's doppelganger :roll: :roll: :roll:

Cool story, bro. You might want to read another cool story here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10059322&postcount=19

[oarabbus]

i hope you guys know that you have to play conservatively on offense and defense if you have 5 fouls on you.
I don't think anyone here knows anything about basketball.


Everyone knows that. The point is that someone like MJ would have found a way.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Everyone knows that. The point is that someone like MJ would have found a way.

No he wouldn't have...

I hate people that never watched MJ acting like he was a god or some shit

[9erempiree]

I just got home after picking up dinner and I was not surprised.

You guys need to chill with the Lebron hate. Everyone can't be Jordans, Kobes or Magics of the world.

[Cocaine80s]

This nig*a was getting way too cocky and celebrating too much. He needed to get his shit together for the finals because the spurs could posssibly whoop dat ass. We need that game 6 vs celtics Lebron back

[Kvnzhangyay]

While this is true, there's no excuse for Lebron sucking so much shit

[r15mohd]

While this is true, there's no excuse for Lebron sucking so much shit

Smh...5 fouls by the beginning of the 3rd, with 3-4 being complete ticky-tac fouls? Such a smart one u are!

[knicksman]

hes nt top 10 becuz the refs decided to keep him out the game?

more like its obvious lebron is being babied by the refs

[Rose'sACL]

Please make
did he turn the ball over?

[Cocaine80s]

enjoy ur ban bruh.

i done reported u over 20 times now for the spam

[6 for 24]

LeBron needs to learn about game-winner shot selection from the great Kobe Bean: http://youtu.be/QZbgoC6MiSM

[Ancient Legend]

Check reddit, they post shit before it happens.

Inb4 thread delete.

[Number24]

"game-winner shot"

I didn't know there is such a thing! -Lebron :oldlol:

[SwishSquared]

Coming into the game, he had averaged like 29/8/7 in close out games. Essentially par for the course for him before tonight.

[9erempiree]

Coming into the game, he had averaged like 29/8/7 in close out games. Essentially par for the course for him before tonight.

Why do you have to be bring up stats to prove to me:facepalm

If stats didn't exist....he would be garbage.

[BasedTom]

You admitted you didn't even watch the game.

Piss off, OP. Haven't you said a million times before that all you care about is the NHL now that you can bandwagon the LA kings since Kobe's career is over?

[SwishSquared]

Why do you have to be bring up stats to prove to me:facepalm

If stats didn't exist....he would be garbage.
Lol I just showed you typical close out game production from LBJ. It's essentially his career averages, with uptick in boards and points. You said LBJ's performance tonight is his typical production for close out game, which is incorrect. He did, however, have a poor game. And stats do exist, so your hypothetical isn't really relevant. Keep the troll strong, mate.

[Ne 1]

He could've simply finished his drive and dunk at the rim (like he did did against the Warriors earlier this year) because Hibbert was late with the help. He trusted Bosh for the win, which wasn't the best play. Tie it and win in OT.

[Rose'sACL]

Why do you have to be bring up stats to prove to me:facepalm

If stats didn't exist....he would be garbage.
This is not the 50s. you can actually check via replays if he actually scores as much as he does.

[Mr.Kite]

He could've simply finished his drive and dunk at the rim (like he did did against the Warriors earlier this year) because Hibbert was late with the help. He trusted Bosh for the win, which wasn't the best play. Tie it and win in OT.

The correct play is to post up, put up some footwork, and try to do the skyhook he claimed he mastered this past summer

[Real14]

we talking bout Lebronga here:lol

[r15mohd]

Hmmm...ISH posters analysis (OP) or Lebron's 10yr career in making the correct plays?!? It's too much, I can't decide!:rolleyes:

[Relinquish]

Why do you have to be bring up stats to prove to me:facepalm

If stats didn't exist....he would be garbage.

Same could be said about every player. No one takes you seriously, and you're a 20 year old who couldn't get into college. Quit hiding behind your keyboard with that 26 years of basketball bull shit.

[Angel Face]

Lebronita James

[Mr.Kite]

Hmmm...ISH posters analysis (OP) or Lebron's 10yr career in making the correct plays?!? It's too much, I can't decide!:rolleyes:

but its NOT the correct play

[russwest0]

http://media.giphy.com/media/YfZObbZ48diGQ/giphy.gif

[Rodmantheman]

and foul out in OT who cares Heat in six.

[navy]

They were going for three....

[BasedTom]

http://media.giphy.com/media/YfZObbZ48diGQ/giphy.gif
Durant deferred to Reggie Jackson and they won their game and the series.

[Mr.Kite]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. Russell
6. Shaq
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Wilt
10. Hakeem

[Real14]

oh what a night! do do do do!:oldlol:

[LongLiveTheKing]

Lebron>>>Westbrook>>>KD

[russwest0]

oh what a night! do do do do!:oldlol:

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[r15mohd]

but its NOT the correct play

Says who? The play has options to drive and score at the rim or kick out to an open shooter. If there's no double down, then it's not the correct play...wanna guess what Indiana did as Lebron drove tho? :facepalm

[no pun intended]

They were going for three....
http://giant.gfycat.com/AggravatingAcademicAustrianpinscher.gif

[DaSeba5]

But Miami was going for the win there. The play was designed for the 3 pointer. It didn't look like LeBron even had shooting it on his mind. The time ticked down and he went for whoever he thought was open.

This is going off my memory though

[russwest0]

They were going for three....

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3271620/kevin-durant-gw-shot-vs-mavs-o.gif

[BasedTom]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. Russell
6. Shaq
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Wilt
10. Hakeem
1. So you've never heard of John Paxson and Steve Kerr?

Oh and kobe would have missed it. Both the statistics and eye test back it up.

[DaSeba5]

http://giant.gfycat.com/AggravatingAcademicAustrianpinscher.gif

I'd rather Bosh take an open 3 then LeBron shoot a long 3 when he struggled to shoot the whole game. It's not the wrong play. It just didn't fall.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Of course those KD highlights are from the regular season.

We know how he performs in the playoff :lol

[Rose'sACL]

Given how fouls were called on lebron tonight, that would be an offensive foul on lebron if he tried that because hibbert would have a concussion if lebron dunked on him the same way durant did there as lebron is not a twig.

[navy]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3271620/kevin-durant-gw-shot-vs-mavs-o.gif


Ironically you will be the first one complaining when Scott Brooks draws up a play for KD to chuck a three. I'll just post this gif from now on. :oldlol:

[Warfan]

Honestly he should've taken the 3, or finish at the rim/get the foul. Take the fukcing 3 bro, just like he did over iggy...:(

Shouldve iced the series and killed the pacers in front of their home crowd.

Im guessing he'll go off next game, and atleast that somewhat redeems himself

[Mr.Kite]

Of course those KD highlights are from the regular season.

We know how he performs in the playoff :lol
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

[insidehoops]

Reaction to LeBron James passing, not taking final shot in Heat-Pacers Game 5, discussions being merged here

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Boxcq8CCUAAVFZq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HsvtFWP.jpg

[Mr.Kite]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

[Rose'sACL]

Honestly he should've taken the 3, or finish at the rim/get the foul. Take the fukcing 3 bro, just like he did over iggy...:(

Shouldve iced the series and killed the pacers in front of their home crowd.

Im guessing he'll go off next game, and atleast that somewhat redeems himself
3 over iggy was such a bad shot. if he was playing for pop then he would get shit on for taking that when he got the ball with good time on the clock.

[tanner892]

the frozen one

[Ne 1]

Queen James taking it back to 2011, getting locked up by guards and passing up on shots in the crunch time


Stephenson locked up princess. I don't understand why this 6'10 260 or whatever his stans want to claim he is and he refuse the ball when the game is on the line. You got a chance to rip the Pacers hearts in their gym and you pass it out to Bosh? Bron could have erased this shitty game he had from people's memories if he just took initiative.

[navy]

It should have been Lewis or Allen. Not Bosh. Hell even Wade was hot. Not a bad play though.

[Angel Face]

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Why did you delete my thread titled Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6... ?We're having a great discussion about Lebron putting up 7 points in a close out game. It was historical.

[BasedTom]

Reaction to LeBron James passing, not taking final shot in Heat-Pacers Game 5, discussions being merged here
Not many people want to discuss it friend, they just want to shit up the forum. Your forum. :(

The alpha course of action would be to bring down the hammer for their disrespect.

[Relinquish]

He did get to play the 4th though.

8 mins of the fourth, playing scared shitless of fouls though.

[Real14]

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/12/122165/2574831-8798349651-mj-la.gif
http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/lol/grand/kobe_bryan_lol_gif.gif

[stalkerforlife]

Why did you delete my thread titled Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6... ?We're having a great discussion about Lebron putting up 7 points in a close out game. It was historical.

My thread now, bub.

Continue the discussion if you like.

And I recommend you do.

[poido123]

I would of preferred that he went for the layup and got the foul.

Split second decision, too many people put too much stock in this "clutch shot" stuff.

I do hold him responsible for going 2 from 10 and playing one of his worst games ever in an important game.

[DaSeba5]

Besides the occasional trolls, I don't think most people would have an issue if Bosh makes the shot.

[TheMan]

Trolling Bran stans is fun but come on, Hibbert was ready to send Bran's lay up attempt into the first row. He made the correct play :confusedshrug:

[TMT]

Trolling Bran stans is fun but come on, Hibbert was ready to send Bran's lay up attempt into the first row. He made the correct play :confusedshrug:

100% this. It didn't even look like Lebron would have gotten a shot off the way Hibbert came over with the help. He made the absolute right play to pass to a great three point shooter who was open.

There are times when Lebron has deserved scolding for passing up a shot at the end of a game, but this is not one of those times.

[JerryWest]

Bron is and never will be clutch, forever a beta :facepalm

[Dro]

100% this. It didn't even look like Lebron would have gotten a shot off the way Hibbert came over with the help. He made the absolute right play to pass to a great three point shooter who was open.

There are times when Lebron has deserved scolding for passing up a shot at the end of a game, but this is not one of those times.
Exactly...Lebron made the right play and I was just hoping Bosh would miss.......Hill did a good job of rotating over and he was already on Bosh's left hand so he affected the shot.....

[Real14]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
:lol

[Real14]

Bron is and never will be clutch, forever a beta :facepalm
http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/kpj4xd-lakers126.jpg

[BasedTom]

http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/kpj4xd-lakers126.jpg
hop off his dick, he has a wife and kids

[Real14]

hop off his dick, he has a wife and kids
Im not but you on lil B and lebrons which iz gay 2 timez:lol

[aj1987]

Im not but you on lil B and lebrons which iz gay 2 timez:lol
The way you type, I'm sure that you're an elementary school dropout.

[Real14]

The way you type, I'm sure that you're an elementary school dropout.
come up with sum new material salty one:lol

[BasedTom]

The way you type, I'm sure that you're an elementary school dropout.
Queensbridge education?

Nah, that's an insult to the fine folks over there

[aj1987]

come up with sum new material salty one:lol
The Knicks are gutter trash, Tupac is overrated, and you're retarded.

[Real14]

Queensbridge education?

Nah, that's an insult to the fine folks over there
Don't be mad at me cuz your queen choked tha same way you choke on dat niguhz jock:oldlol:

[Real14]

The Knicks are gutter trash, Tupac is overrated, and you're retarded.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/2208695/bill-cosby-o.gif

[BasedTom]

Don't be mad at me cuz your queen choked tha same way you choke on dat niguhz jock:oldlol:
Mad? Nah man it's a team sport and they're still up in the series. Lebron had a shit game? Big deal, the Pacers still suck and just barely scrapped by.

I'm not a poor ass bitch to the point where the highlight of my pathetic life is when a millionaire decides to pass a ball to another millionaire.

Dude is talking shit like it's his f@ggot ass knicks playing the heat

[funnystuff]

Lebron made the right play. Consider Hibberts positioning op.


:confusedshrug:

[Keno]

lmaoo at this being a stickied thread.

[Real14]

lmaoo at this being a stickied thread.
itz American history:applause:

[East_Stone_Ya]

this was the right play

[PickernRoller]

Lebron fans act like Hibbert being at the rim was an issue. When was Duncan on his best defensive years "at the rim" an issue for Kobe? The Twin Towers? :roll: :roll:

I didn't see Jordan making excuses when going up against Shaq, or Ewing, or Laimbeer.

LeStans took massive dumps on Hibbert all season long as the trash that he's and now they try to glorify him as the DPOY.

Lets not lose sight of the dissuasion taking place here basketball fans - this is not about the "right play".

But lets not stop there....nikka where is your fadeway? Forgot Bron has none.

Nikka do a solo w/ that "improved" post game? But but...HIBBERT!!!!!!!!!!

Fraud gonna fraud and excuses gonna excuse. At the end of the day LeQueen failed to deliver in the crucial part of the game AS WELL AS throughout the whole game. The loss is on the fraud. 2-10, 7 points, 5 fouls, 2 rebs....

His team got 83 without him and made it close. That's how pathetic the Pacers are and how pathetically stacked the Heat are.

Lets not even talk about how this Fraud let a scrub like Paul George drop 24 pts in the 4th on his team.

Like Skip says, Both Durant and Lebron are Robins. Wade is Batman in MIA and Westbrook is Batman in OKC.

LeStans want you to think that these events happen in a "vacuum" yet we forget this Fraud has been making a living by crapping out like this - deferring on the important shots, choking and quitting.

[navy]

Wait he didnt pass it to ray allen....when did bosh become a great 3 point shooter?

As for the play, bad decision by bron. Those using the argument that he had 5 fouls, it was the end of the fvcking game! I would have rather seen him go for the layup, and for some insane reason if he did get called for a offensive foul, that would have been better to foul out and try to make the basket than go for a lower percentage shot. Give me a lebron drive to the basket over a bosh 3 any day.
It was a designed play by Spolestra.

[Jlamb47]

Lebron is str8 BETA
only superstar that dosnt take consistent game winners.
Kobe and KD would of tooken that shot regardless of how many fouls or how many shots they already attempted. Its called being a clutch player. Lebron has no go to moves to just score. He uses his strength and speed and if you can stay in front of him then hes going to dish it out....LIKE ALWAYS

[ImKobe]

Lebron James is a superstar and a top 3 scorer in the league. He should have went for it since he sucked all game and didn't have an impact on the game until he hit a 3 and made a couple passes in the 4th, he's the MVP of the Miami Heat. I expected him to go for it as you might have seen in the game thread, I was disappointed.

The play wasn't that bad though, Bosh got a clean look from the corner, I thought Lebron should have went for the tie himself, like that game-winner he had against the Pistons in 07. Just dunk that shit home.

Bosh in this series has shot 29% from three, he was 2 for 6 prior to the shot. I wonder why Spo drew that play up. should have been a James or a Wade three off a screen or just James drive to the basket. The drive & kick opened it up for Bosh, but he did not sign with Miami to be their #1 option in the clutch.

I felt like Miami wasn't urgent enough in this game, I feel like it's still going 7 games as I had predicted(when the Pacers were slumping).

[Springsteen]

He found the open man for 3 in Bosh, and instead of tying the game he decided to pass it to him for the win, considering how effective Bosh has been from behind the arc lately. If Bosh made that, everyone would be lauding Lebron's passing prowess.

[Prometheus]

The way you guys analyze basketball is like the way a third grader tries to understand algebra. LEQUEEN DEFERS DA SHOT, SUCHA BETA HE SHOULD HAVE BERRIED THE PACERZZ or okay maybe the shot blocker brought the double at the rim and he kicked it to the open shooter. God you people are something.

[Derka]

He made the right play :confusedshrug:

[OldSchoolBBall]

I'd have to watch the play again, but when I saw it happen I felt that Lebron had the lane for a layup/dunk attempt, and while there was some defense there I felt he could have gotten a decent shot or the foul. Dude throws his body into players and attacks the rim all game long and then passes up a 5 foot shot? Weird.

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah, Lebron should have taken the last shot but he still made a good play. If you think he was worried about his shooting % on that play then you have an IQ below 75. I do think that his struggles from the FT line play a role in him kicking it out there because he had an opportunity to finish at the rim or get fouled.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Hibbert was SLIDING OVER into the lane - check the pic posted a few pages back. He wasn't in position to make a real, clean defensive block attempt. Lebron, had he went up for the layup/dunk, would have gotten a good look off or gotten the foul.

[GimmeThat]

if his teammates were expecting the ball to be passed to them if they get into open position, correct play.

if his teammates were expecting GOAT performance, Extreme Alpha-ism and for Lebron to not pass the ball because of superman mentality and the need to prove to the world as if if he loses this series his legacy is burned in flame.

Just about the most Beta play possible indeed.

[Just2McFly]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Boxcq8CCUAAVFZq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HsvtFWP.jpg
he made the right play/thread

[Jlamb47]

he made the right play/thread

Bosh is clutcher then Lebron so i guess he kind of did. But any other greats taking it.
#Leseven
thread

[Warfan]

I would've liked Bron to take the shot, but Bosh got a pretty good look. Probably would've been a tough shot for bron to make. On to the next one...

[OldSchoolBBall]

Hysterical that people are using that picture as an example of some kind of extreme defensive pressure at the rim, when that is a VERY wide open lane. If this dude can't or doesn't want to try to finish at the rim with that sort of defense there, he wouldn't finish at the rim AT ALL in the 80's/90's when the paint was WAY more crowded and there were actual big man shotblockers left and right.

Lebron definitely could have and should have finished that shot.

[Trollsmasher]

Chances of LeBron getting called for an offensive foul regardless of what happened if he tried to finish over Hibbert in this game? I would say 90%

I was pissed at first, but watching it again, he made a right play. Too bad Miami had such a shitty spacing with Ray and Rashard, Bosh maybe could've passed it.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Bran remembers what Plumlee did, didn't want round 2

[Just2McFly]

Bosh is clutcher then Lebron so i guess he kind of did. But any other greats taking it.
#Leseven
thread
you guys sound so intelligent. he made the right play, just let it go:oldlol:

[pegasus]

It was the right play knowing Lebron's effectiveness in the clutch. I was surprised Spo even let him touch the ball.

[Meticode]

I felt it was the right play for the Heat. They ran the exact same play against Brooklyn in a crucial shot and Bosh hit it. LeBron drove looking for his shot, if Hibbert didn't come over to help too much he was probably going to shoot it, but Hibbert came over leaving Bosh open.

It was the right play to make in that situation. Pass it for a decent 3 to win the game? Or try to shoot a basket over a decent defender in George and a 7'1" center in Hibbert and hope you get an And1? Also considering how clutch Bosh has been in three point situations.

The only thing is maybe Bosh should've passed it out to Ray Allen.

[pegasus]

I felt it was the right play for the Heat. They ran the exact same play against Brooklyn in a crucial shot and Bosh hit it. LeBron drove looking for his shot, if Hibbert didn't come over to help too much he was probably going to shoot it, but Hibbert came over leaving Bosh open.

It was the right play to make in that situation. Pass it for a decent 3 to win the game? Or try to shoot a basket over a decent defender in George and a 7'1" center in Hibbert and hope you get an And1?

The only thing is maybe Bosh should've passed it out to Ray Allen.

They were down by 2 points only. He could have tied it with a layup. He acts passive in those situations because he doesn't wanna get fouled and be put on the free throw line.

[Trollsmasher]

I am surprised Bosh is not being called out more, considering lots of people here consider him to be the clutchest player in the league:lol

[HurricaneKid]

I feel that an iso clearout 3 after running down the clock is better than bosh taking a contested corner 3. Sometimes as the best player in the world u just gotta take the final shot, fukc bosh standing in the corner, **** what Spo says. You're a great player, make the great shot, or atleast take it. If u miss? Fine. It's better that you take the shot rather than your center who is standing in the corner...

That's just how I feel, u don't have to agree with me.

I read through as much as I could possibly stomach. The fact that so many of you feel this way means none of you grasp how ball should be played.

The league avg on forced ISO end of game situations is ~28%. If your best player decides a 28% shot is good enough for them you have a selfish player and your team probably sucks. Bosh's man was 20 ft from him and right in front of the rim. He was shooting 70% in those situations, but since thats a small sample size lets just take that down to the league avg for corner 3s which is 40.8%.

If you give both teams a 50/50 chance in OT the selfish play gives the win likelihood a 14% chance (.28(.5)). The three increases the win likelihood to 40.8%. Literally increasing the odds of winning three times higher.

Hero ball is dumb. Anyone who demands hero ball is dumber.

[edrick]

He's been passing to the open man his entire career. Shocking developments!

[TheMarkMadsen]

I am surprised Bosh is not being called out more, considering lots of people here consider him to be the clutchest player in the league:lol

Bran scored 7 points and his team lost by 2..

Bosh has stepped up big the last 2 games

[Solefade]

its the same damn play from the brooklyn nets series except the difference is it didn't go in this time...but now that bosh misses it's a sticky thread?

ISH.....:facepalm

[AlphaWolf24]

For all the basketball illiterate fans out there.....


The Modern era is far far MORE perimeter orientated ( due to changes in the way the game is played defensively over the past 20 years)

More players today are better long range - to mid range shooters

With Lebron's talent / ability to attack the rim.....If you can surround him with 2 Good shooters....every team he is on will compete for titles. ( heat happen to have 4 GREAT perimeter shooters at multiple positions)

It's basic Math....lebron attacks....he draws a double....he kicks it out to either side to a shooter.

It's the Heats bread and butter play...it's how they stay in every game....it's how they won titles since LBJ arrived.



The Heat got the exact play they wanted.....Bosh just missed.:confusedshrug:

[Magic 32]

The most calculated player in history.

[Da_Realist]

For all the basketball illiterate fans out there.....


The Modern era is far far MORE perimeter orientated ( due to changes in the way the game is played defensively over the past 20 years)

More players today are better long range - to mid range shooters

With Lebron's talent / ability to attack the rim.....If you can surround him with 2 Good shooters....every team he is on will compete for titles. ( heat happen to have 4 GREAT perimeter shooters at multiple positions)

It's basic Math....lebron attacks....he draws a double....he kicks it out to either side to a shooter.

It's the Heats bread and butter play...it's how they stay in every game....it's how they won titles since LBJ arrived.



The Heat got the exact play they wanted.....Bosh just missed.:confusedshrug:

Exactly

[riseagainst]

The most calculated player in history.

:lol

[riseagainst]

For all the basketball illiterate fans out there.....


The Modern era is far far MORE perimeter orientated ( due to changes in the way the game is played defensively over the past 20 years)

More players today are better long range - to mid range shooters

With Lebron's talent / ability to attack the rim.....If you can surround him with 2 Good shooters....every team he is on will compete for titles. ( heat happen to have 4 GREAT perimeter shooters at multiple positions)

It's basic Math....lebron attacks....he draws a double....he kicks it out to either side to a shooter.

It's the Heats bread and butter play...it's how they stay in every game....it's how they won titles since LBJ arrived.



The Heat got the exact play they wanted.....Bosh just missed.:confusedshrug:

this.

dat versatility doe.

[tmacattack33]

Lebron will continue to make the pass when a teammate is open, and will continue to shoot when he is open.

He does not buy into anything stupid that can harm his team, like stupid fans who think that the leader should always take the last shot for some reason.

Yeah it looks cute when the leader takes and makes the game winning shot and it creates a highlight play that will be shown for the next ten years, but forcing up a shot in that scenario will just lead to a 20% converstion rate on those players...as seen in the playoff game winning shot percentages for Melo, Kobe, Iverson, D Rose, etc.

[lilteapot]

Lebron will continue to make the pass when a teammate is open, and will continue to shoot when he is open.

He does not buy into anything stupid that can harm his team, like stupid fans who think that the leader should always take the last shot for some reason.

Yeah it looks cute when the leader takes and makes the game winning shot and it creates a highlight play that will be shown for the next ten years, but forcing up a shot in that scenario will just lead to a 20% converstion rate on those players...as seen in the playoff game winning shot percentages for Melo, Kobe, Iverson, D Rose, etc.
This, just accept the fact that it's the type of player that he is. He isn't going to take a heroic last second shot, he's always going to look for the best play. It has nothing to do with a lack of a killer instinct, it has everything to do with just the type of player he's always been.

He'll occassionally go for it like the game in Golden State and we know he's capable of making it, but he's not always going to do that.

[pegasus]

He even passed it to Joel Anthony in the past or passed it to Bosh for a contested shot when he was wide open or chose to inbound the ball when there was about 1-2 seconds left:confusedshrug:

[bond10]

For all the basketball illiterate fans out there.....


The Modern era is far far MORE perimeter orientated ( due to changes in the way the game is played defensively over the past 20 years)

More players today are better long range - to mid range shooters

With Lebron's talent / ability to attack the rim.....If you can surround him with 2 Good shooters....every team he is on will compete for titles. ( heat happen to have 4 GREAT perimeter shooters at multiple positions)

It's basic Math....lebron attacks....he draws a double....he kicks it out to either side to a shooter.

It's the Heats bread and butter play...it's how they stay in every game....it's how they won titles since LBJ arrived.



The Heat got the exact play they wanted.....Bosh just missed.:confusedshrug:


Holy sh*t this is probably the best post here. :applause:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

For all the basketball illiterate fans out there.....


The Modern era is far far MORE perimeter orientated ( due to changes in the way the game is played defensively over the past 20 years)

More players today are better long range - to mid range shooters

With Lebron's talent / ability to attack the rim.....If you can surround him with 2 Good shooters....every team he is on will compete for titles. ( heat happen to have 4 GREAT perimeter shooters at multiple positions)

It's basic Math....lebron attacks....he draws a double....he kicks it out to either side to a shooter.

It's the Heats bread and butter play...it's how they stay in every game....it's how they won titles since LBJ arrived.



The Heat got the exact play they wanted.....Bosh just missed.:confusedshrug:

My only issue is the "better midrange" stuff (thats almost a lost art in todays game), but I agree with everything else.

:cheers:

[305Baller]

Too unselfish. Wanted to give Dirk a ring.

[AlphaWolf24]

My only issue is the "better midrange" stuff (thats almost a lost art in todays game), but I agree with everything else.

:cheers:


Not really when you look at it....

More players today have a midrange game....how many 6'9" - 6'11" guys back in the 80's could create off the dribble and attack from the elbow extended? maybe Cliff Robertson?

How many SG's today can play multiple positions? compared to the 80's and early 90's.

so many Modern players today have perimeter games.....so many 6'9" + guys are excellent at attacking off the dribble or shooting 25' footers


- I would say 80's and early 90's players were better at off the ball movement and screen/pick in roll.....but also the defense was played different then allowing more passing lanes from movement.

- Don't get me wrong.....I love the way the game was played in the 80's / early 90's.....but it has changed.....with so many players having the ability to create....it makes more sense to attack and make the defense double....

and now they double from more areas of the court......vs mainly just the post like it was in past generations.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not really when you look at it....

More players today have a midrange game....

Today's game is played inside and out. No in between.

Common knowledge.


How many SG's today can play multiple positions? compared to the 80's and early 90's.

If you want to make that claim, name ALL the SG's that have legit midrange games and back that up with empirical data.

Whether or not they can play multiple positions isn't very relevant to 'midrange'.


so many 6'9" + guys are excellent at attacking off the dribble or shooting 25' footers

I agree, but again, how is that relevant to midrange?


Don't get me wrong.....I love the way the game was played in the 80's / early 90's.....but it has changed.....with so many players having the ability to create....it makes more sense to attack and make the defense double....

Yeah no doubt, but there were plenty of guys who could create in the 80s and 90s. Yes, todays perimeter players are by and large more skilled... The rules have also been a HUGE part of that, allowing them to score easier.


and now they double from more areas of the court......vs mainly just the post like it was in past generations.[/B]

Don't forget the implementing of the 3 second and non-handchecking rules, which again, have helped perimeter players THRIVE.

[Dengness9]

Lebron will continue to make the pass when a teammate is open, and will continue to shoot when he is open.

He does not buy into anything stupid that can harm his team, like stupid fans who think that the leader should always take the last shot for some reason.

Yeah it looks cute when the leader takes and makes the game winning shot and it creates a highlight play that will be shown for the next ten years, but forcing up a shot in that scenario will just lead to a 20% converstion rate on those players...as seen in the playoff game winning shot percentages for Melo, Kobe, Iverson, D Rose, etc.


Great post! but my man Drose hasnt had a chance to mature and hit GW playoff shots because of his body falling apart. It's easy to miss big ones when youre young and your team lacks other offensive threats.

[AlphaWolf24]

Today's game is played inside and out. No in between.

Common knowledge.

really?...90's era Bull's played inside out?...Pistons played Inside out?....late 00's Lakers played Inside out?....heat play inside out?...Spurs play Inside Out?....OKC plays inside out?....INDY plays inside out?...I could have swore they all had great Mid range/long distant players who could create off the dribble and force a double....this inside out thing is way overrated and used in the wrong context

If you want to make that claim, name ALL the SG's that have legit midrange games and back that up with empirical data.

Whether or not they can play multiple positions isn't very relevant to 'midrange'.

so many more players today have a mid range game and can create off the dribble....I have no data of course...just been watching hoop since Whitney Houston was Drug free



I agree, but again, how is that relevant to midrange?

because more shots are taken from midrange and or extended now then anytime ever in the history of Basketball



Yeah no doubt, but there were plenty of guys who could create in the 80s and 90s. Yes, todays perimeter players are by and large more skilled... The rules have also been a HUGE part of that, allowing them to score easier.



Don't forget the implementing of the 3 second and non-handchecking rules, which again, have helped perimeter players THRIVE.


Hardly any teams can dominate inside these days by just attacking from the block....everything is perimeter/midrange orientated and will continue to be more so....

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Hardly any teams can dominate inside these days by just attacking from the block....everything is perimeter/midrange orientated and will continue to be more so....

Feel free to back up your claims with data.

You're right..The game has changed. Teams shoot about 1,000 more 3's in todays game (734 3PA in 1993 and 1766 3PA in 2014)..

[AlphaWolf24]

Feel free to back up your claims with data.

You're right..The game has changed. Teams shoot about 1,000 more 3's in todays game (734 3PA in 1993 and 1766 3PA in 2014)..


exactly....It's plain as day to me how much the game has changed....

Offense is Focused more from the elbow extended/ Midrange....:confusedshrug:

more midrange shots and 3's are taken.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

exactly....It's plain as day to me how much the game has changed....

Offense is Focused more from the elbow extended/ Midrange....:confusedshrug:

more midrange shots and 3's are taken.

Back up your claims... There are shot charts online you can pull up.

The 3 is emphasized more, that's really it.

[AlphaWolf24]

Back up your claims... There are shot charts online you can pull up.

The 3 is emphasized more, that's really it.

lots of charts about more 3's taken....none about inside the 3.....I know more 2's were taken in the 80's and early 90's...but that doesn't correctly describe what I'm talking about. ( of course they took more 2's)


I said " Better mid range shooters"...meaning players who can create offense outside the paint...and make shots for themselves or others.

More players today are better at attacking from the perimeter / midrange

[mark henson 123]

dosent matter if the heat blowout the pacers in game 6,

LeBron was called for none fouls,the games was fixed for the pacers to win,

in Miami he will only get 2 fouls.

he will score 30 points
grab 9 rebounds
pass for 1o assists

the heat will win 100 to 86, and heat will be playing the finals a fourth straight time!:coleman:

[HurricaneKid]

I read through as much as I could possibly stomach. The fact that so many of you feel this way means none of you grasp how ball should be played.

The league avg on forced ISO end of game situations is ~28%. If your best player decides a 28% shot is good enough for them you have a selfish player and your team probably sucks. Bosh's man was 20 ft from him and right in front of the rim. He was shooting 70% in those situations, but since thats a small sample size lets just take that down to the league avg for corner 3s which is 40.8%.

If you give both teams a 50/50 chance in OT the selfish play gives the win likelihood a 14% chance (.28(.5)). The three increases the win likelihood to 40.8%. Literally increasing the odds of winning three times higher.

Hero ball is dumb. Anyone who demands hero ball is dumber.

Even AlphaWolf gets it. Holy crap some of you are dumb.

[tpols]

Even AlphaWolf gets it. Holy crap some of you are dumb.

Except Lebron passed the ball while he was right at the rim.. he wasnt chucking a midrange shot.


And since lebron is shooting 82% from 0-3 feet in the playoffs that means the likelihood of the heat winning assuming equal chance in OT is 41% or the same as a Bosh corner 3 to win. :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

lots of charts about more 3's taken....none about inside the 3...

Basketball-reference has a 'shooting' category under every player. So again.. as I asked a few posts ago, name me the perimeter players that are elite from midrange...



I said " Better mid range shooters"...meaning players who can create offense outside the paint...and make shots for themselves or others.

Better midrange shooters doesnt "=" offensive creaters. Everybody knows there are more skilled and perimeter oritented players in todays game....Which has A LOT to do with the rules.

[aj1987]

Bosh is clutcher then Lebron so i guess he kind of did. But any other greats taking it.
#Leseven
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How many game winners does Duncan have, BTW? Just wondering.

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1673453/duncanmiss.gif


Also, weren't you bitching and whining about the officiating? Retard.